Raptor 250 !!!!!

[07250ex]

yamaha made a new raptor 250 its chain drive , manual clutch, much better shocks, and by the looks of it gunna blow the sox of the z and ex!!!!

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pics or more info on this?

[07250ex]

go to yamaha ... read the information

[400ex_rider13]

its on the home page here too, i really hope suzook and honda update there 250's or suzook comes out with a ltr 250 based on hte 450, that would definely sell like crazy, i know my little brother would trade in hise z250 for that !!

why does either honda or 'zuki need to improve their 250 bikes?

this bike is not really in the same class as the 'zuki or honda 250ex...honda has it taken care of with the 300ex...


the honda and 'zuki 250's are more of a beginner bike

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Originally posted by 400ex_rider13
its on the home page here too, i really hope suzook and honda update there 250's or suzook comes out with a ltr 250 based on hte 450, that would definely sell like crazy, i know my little brother would trade in hise z250 for that !!

suzuki does have a planned ltr250. supposed to be pretty much the 450 but scaled down in most every aspect

[07250ex]

Originally posted by speedyquad
why does either honda or 'zuki need to improve their 250 bikes?

this bike is not really in the same class as the 'zuki or honda 250ex...honda has it taken care of with the 300ex...


the honda and 'zuki 250's are more of a beginner bike

i bet this is gunna be faster than the 300ex lol

[blasterfreak99]

Originally posted by 07250ex
i bet this is gunna be faster than the 300ex lol

the raptor 250? if thats what you meant then youre retarded. stock for stock a 300ex will beat a warrior, or raptor 350 whatever.

[07250ex]

uhhm cc's aren't everything this is gunna be faster then its 350 counterpart look at the specs off the line and to its top end its gunna be a rocket for a 250 also a 300ex can't beat a raptor 350 in good shape

[mx1791]

this thing looks sick lol. why couldnt yamaha have this thing back in the day when i bought my 250ex

[Kickstarts-suck]

Originally posted by 07250ex
uhhm cc's aren't everything this is gunna be faster then its 350 counterpart look at the specs off the line and to its top end its gunna be a rocket for a 250 also a 300ex can't beat a raptor 350 in good shape

there is no way this raptor 250 will beat the raptor 350 or 300ex

Ive beaten a warrior with my 250x.:ermm:

[markvette]

after looking at the motor specs sorry to say this quad is gonna be a dog. the engine technology is 40 years old. the specs say 2 valves that means one exhaust and one intake valve. the 250x and 300ex have 4 valve heads. be real hard to get any real performance out of this engine. i guess the rumors were wrong, i had been hearing yamaha was going to replace the blaster with a 250cc 4 stroke and the motor was going to be the 250cc f water cooled motor used in the 250 4 stroke bikes.

Mark

[honda450rider33]

Originally posted by blasterfreak99
the raptor 250? if thats what you meant then youre retarded. stock for stock a 300ex will beat a warrior, or raptor 350 whatever.

here we go again 300exs are not that fast they will NOT beat a warrior/raptor 350, i have heard that yamaha was going to replace the blaster with a 250f built bike also but i guess not, he is right it does have old technology with only a two valve head i think this is going to be a dud

[bwamos]

I dunno. We'll have to see.

I'm betting it will in fact beat the 300ex stock for stock, or pipe/filter setup.

It's got the bore/stroke of the old trx250x. So it's gonna rev better than the 300ex. (the 250x is faster than the 300ex). Higher compression than the 300ex.

Its also MUCH MUCH lighter than the 300ex. (313 lbs vs. 373 lbs) yes it is 60 POUNDS LIGHTER. It's lighter than the blaster was.

It also has much better suspension than the old blaster. It's comparable to the 300ex's geometry.

Yes it's 2 valve vs 4 valve.. but that's not always a bad thing, if done right. It all depends on how the head is configured.

The coveted 350x topend for the 300ex conversions is a 2-valve setup and it makes more power than the 300ex top end does on a 350ex.

I think it will be the perfect racer for someone who's too big for a 90 and too small or young for a 400/450 in the older youth classes.

[07250ex]

uhhm i coulda sworn the 300ex was a 2 valve ohc engine ...

[bwamos]

Nope I've had mine apart many times. It's a 4-valve SOHC head.

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350x is 4-valve.

http://i3.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/81/04/015e_1.JPG

[Boweman]

the raptor 250 does not seem like a very good bike. the engine is based on the raptor 350 engine which isnt the most high tech or high performance engine to begin with. and if i where in the market for a begginner bike i would go for a bike that has been around for years and is reliable. the raptor 250 engine is unproven in reliability.

here is what i think of the raptor yamaha realized they had no begginer bikes in their linup and needed a bike to fill that void. they wanted a bike that was appealing to the public so they needed to be able to sell it for under 4000, so they took nice suspension components and slapped them on a what looks like a raptor 350 frame, put a very low tech and cheap (but light) raptor based engine on it. finished up the bike and put raptor looking plastics on it to make it look pretty good, then sold it to us for 3899 and it is very light at 313 pounds. it looks like a winner but it isnt. there is not class or market this bike falls into. the 250ex will still be the true begginers bike, the suzuki will still be the faster begginers bike. the manual clutch on the raptor will severely hurt its true bigginer capabilities and i dont think it has reverse, that will make it a very unlikely buy for a begginer. if a buyer wants a more powerful bike than the 250cc he gets a 300ex or a raptor 350. there is just no market for this bike. why did yamaha even make it?

[bwamos]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
[B]350x is 4-valve.

You're right. I'm a tard.. lol.

I beleive I was getting the Yamaha 350 Warrior mixed up with the 350x for some reason. I blame it on old age??? lol.

The Warrior 350 was a 2-valve, I beleive.

[Kickstarts-suck]

Originally posted by 07250ex
uhhm i coulda sworn the 300ex was a 2 valve ohc engine ...

nope 4 valve SOHC

here is my head off my 250x

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6360/dscf0003of3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[blasterfreak99]

Originally posted by honda450rider33
here we go again 300exs are not that fast they will NOT beat a warrior/raptor 350, i have heard that yamaha was going to replace the blaster with a 250f built bike also but i guess not, he is right it does have old technology with only a two valve head i think this is going to be a dud

i know they are not fast but a warrior/raptor 350 is so far from being the definition of fast its unreal. have you ever raced a stock for stock 300ex/250x against a warrior/raptor 350? cause i know i have and trust me you're wrong. you are going on pure speculation that a 300ex is slower because it has 50 less cc's. the head design is ***** on a raptor/warrior.

[exrider12]

"the engine is based on the raptor 350 engine which isnt the most high tech or high performance engine to begin with"



actually this motor is based off of a stunt bike over in japan not the raptor 350.it has tons of bottom end power and torque.this motor has been around for 10 years now so it is proven.

[BamBamm13]

I dont care about the dang engine (stop calling it a motor), I just want the rest of it for a air cooled 2-stroke engine I have sitting around here

[07250ex]

why can't he call it a motor?

[m.h.s.c.#527]

Originally posted by BamBamm13
I dont care about the dang engine (stop calling it a motor), I just want the rest of it for a air cooled 2-stroke engine I have sitting around here


u get more than 2 posts and then start tellin people what to do

[07250ex]

2 posts and hes alredy in discussions lol most people wait till like there 5th or 10th post before they discuss first few posts are ussualy questions ... so why can't he call it a motor?

[blasterfreak99]

hes saying that it is politically incorrect to say "motor". a "motor" is electrical and an "engine" is an internal combustion engine. at least i think that is what hes getting at.

[GraphicDisorder]

I think the fact that its 60 lbs lighter than some of its competition is going ot make up for more than some people are thinking. Im thinking about getting one for my girlfriend to replace her Warrior.

[bwamos]

Originally posted by blasterfreak99
hes saying that it is politically incorrect to say "motor". a "motor" is electrical and an "engine" is an internal combustion engine. at least i think that is what hes getting at.

Aye. Except he'd be wrong.. lol.

Main Entry: 1mo·tor
Pronunciation: 'mO-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from movEre to move
1 : one that imparts motion; specifically : PRIME MOVER
2 : any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: as a : a small compact engine b : INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE; especially : a gasoline engine c : a rotating machine that transforms electrical energy into mechanical energy
3 : MOTOR VEHICLE; especially : AUTOMOBILE
- mo·tor·dom /-d&m/ noun
- mo·tor·less /-l&s/ adjective

The terms are, for the most part, interchangable.

[GraphicDisorder]

Wow this is getting childish. I mean do we need a teacher grading us all on grammer and proper use of words like Engine/Motor? Seriously... wow.

[bwamos]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Wow this is getting childish. I mean do we need a teacher grading us all on grammer and proper use of words like Engine/Motor? Seriously... wow.

LOL. I was simply pointing out thet the original person getting on someone case about calling the ATV's engine a motor, has no grounds to be upset about it. ;)

Call it an engine. Call it a motor. Who cares. It's all the same thing. ;)

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by bwamos
LOL. I was simply pointing out thet the original person getting on someone case about calling the ATV's engine a motor, has no grounds to be upset about it. ;)

Call it an engine. Call it a motor. Who cares. It's all the same thing. ;)

Ya thats my point....who cares what it should be called... people use "slang" for all kinds of words.

[bwamos]

Oh. And I also think it will be a great quad for younger or smaller riders.

A much better choice for a 100lb 13-15yr old that's too big for a 90cc. But to young to race a 400/450.

The 300ex's were the previous choice. And they are pretty heavy. (Heavier than the 450's) I don't know many 13yr olds that could get an overturned 300ex off of themselves. Especially once you get some real tires and skids on them. I'd wager my 300ex is easily pushing 400lbs.

But, we're not really going to know if it will be a dud, or not, until we see one in action vs. the competition.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by bwamos
Oh. And I also think it will be a great quad for younger or smaller riders.

A much better choice for a 100lb 13-15yr old that's too big for a 90cc. But to young to race a 400/450.

The 300ex's were the previous choice. And they are pretty heavy. (Heavier than the 450's) I don't know many 13yr olds that could get an overturned 300ex off of themselves. Especially once you get some real tires and skids on them. I'd wager my 300ex is easily pushing 400lbs.

My girlfriend is 115lbs... she cant even move her warrior if needed. Not that she will be able to move the 250 to easy either but its what 60lbs lighter, she will be able to ride/control it better as well. And ill bet it will hang with a warrior, they aren't speed machines or anything.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by bwamos
Oh. And I also think it will be a great quad for younger or smaller riders.

A much better choice for a 100lb 13-15yr old that's too big for a 90cc. But to young to race a 400/450.

The 300ex's were the previous choice. And they are pretty heavy. (Heavier than the 450's) I don't know many 13yr olds that could get an overturned 300ex off of themselves. Especially once you get some real tires and skids on them. I'd wager my 300ex is easily pushing 400lbs.

Nice to see someone comparing it to the 300ex instead of the 250ex. When it first came out everyone was comparing it to the auto clutch 250's but I believe it is going to compete very nicely with the 300ex. The rappy 250 may even be faster in stock form. I think this will be a great quad for those who are moving up from the automatic machines to a full manual setup. I'm anxious to try one out myself. :o I think it will make a great quad for my son though. He does well on my 300 but I'm always concerned about the size and weight of it. The power isn't a problem for him though.:devil: I think the little raptor 250 will surprise a few folks once they get a chance to ride it. I'm curious to see how it will respond to mods too.

bwamos is right about the 300ex being heavy compared to the new raptor. I'm sure with nerfs, bumpers and other aftermarket stuff my 300 is real close to 400# if not a bit over.

[richmond559]

Im looking forward to seeing this myself ..Called a friend that sales yamahas and he said he is getting 4 of them he hopes by the end of july..Im gona test ride one to see if the 10yr old 5ft 1in 125lb stepson of mine will be getting one ..He has a tyhoon 125 now and has outgrown it in a very short time .He also rides the 250ex at pismo so i think this will suit him very well unless i here that suzukis putting there rmz250 motor (ENGINE) haha in there 250 quad maybe released later this year or next..

[BamBamm13]

I did not mean to start this debate on engine vs motor. To some it doesn't matter...

Maybe I should have got my feet wet before I dove in head first

[07250ex]

yeh i also looked up motor on dictionary.com last night and it says an internal combustion engine BEFORE it states anything about electric motors

[pbblaster2]

the thing i like abotu it its going to be lighter than the blaster it should keep with the 300ex maby but only couz the 300 is rly heavy

[DJR300ex]

Quad magazine and ATV Scene seemed pretty excited about the Raptor 250. From what iv'e read about it i would be willing to bet it would outrun the raptor 350 and handle a whole lot better. i want to ride one of them myself just to see how good they are but from what ive heard, i can already tell its gonna be pretty good

[bwamos]

I doubt it will outrun a Raptor350 in a straight line (But who cares about straight lines. If I did, I'd own a Banshee). But, it almost definatly will outhandle one. ;)

[2muchquad]

This new raptor 250 will probably be a roach.yamaha decided to raid the parts bin and got this motor from a on/off road bike sold overseas,not exactly high tech.yamaha has a history of doing this,they got the raptor motor from the MZ "rally bike" sold overseas since 1995,the raptor didnt come out till what 2001?Then they advertize it as high tech,get real...its old news by the time it trickles down to the quads.This raptor 250 will be different because its "new",anybody that can ride will be able to make it go good because it does have a manual clutch,thats the difference right there.

[07250ex]

250 ex has a "manual" clutch to

[jonboy]

I hope no one over 5 ft tall is planning on riding this thing. I seen one at the Lorreta Lynns Amature nationals. It isnt much bigger than a polaris 90. The 250X will dwarf this thing.

[bwamos]

Originally posted by 2muchquad
yamaha decided to raid the parts bin and got this motor from a on/off road bike

Pretty much every quad on the market suffers from the same syndrome.

TRX450R, YZF450, LT-R450, KFX450, Z400's, 250x/300ex, 400ex, raptor, to name a few. I beleive even the Banshee motor originated from a motorcycle.

But that being said.. our "quad-specific" motors aren't so great.. lol. Generally motors like the Recon, 250ex, foreman, etc.. all shaft drive motors.


250 ex has a "manual" clutch to

250ex has a centrifical auto-clutch w/ an override on a motor out of an underpowered utility quad.

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by bwamos
TRX450R, YZF450, LT-R450, KFX450, Z400's, 250x/300ex, 400ex, raptor, to name a few. I beleive even the Banshee motor originated from a motorcycle.
blaster shares a lot of the same parts as the DT200 dirtbike (only made in a few countries. not the US)

only real big difference is the dt200 was watercooled, electric start, and i think powervalved? or something of that sort at least..... and made like 36hp, not 17hp lolz

[07250ex]

Originally posted by bwamos
Pretty much every quad on the market suffers from the same syndrome.

TRX450R, YZF450, LT-R450, KFX450, Z400's, 250x/300ex, 400ex, raptor, to name a few. I beleive even the Banshee motor originated from a motorcycle.

But that being said.. our "quad-specific" motors aren't so great.. lol. Generally motors like the Recon, 250ex, foreman, etc.. all shaft drive motors.



250ex has a centrifical auto-clutch w/ an override on a motor out of an underpowered utility quad.

I dont know what you mean by an override but my 250ex has a "manually" operated clutch and i wouldn't say the recons that under powered give it a break its a 229 cc 2 valve 4 stroke in a 425 pound cradle of course it isnt goin to be fast

[2muchquad]

Yeah i know most quad power plants are derived from the bikes but it just gets on my nerves when they try to pass it off as "new" technology.The yz400f came out in 98,the yfz450 didnt arrive til'2004.What was the hold up?:D The tracks were littered with hybrids before it was even thought of...go figure:confused:

[Caseys 300ex]

I think the Raptor is to hyped. Oh lets give yamaha a round of applause they came out with yet another raptor :rolleyes: Atleast give it a better name. ( i still love the 700's)

[yamaharider05]

It would have been sweet if yamaha made the body style like the YFZ's insted of the Raptors. They need a littler yfz insted of another raptor

[bwamos]

Originally posted by 07250ex
I dont know what you mean by an override but my 250ex has a "manually" operated clutch

If you are in 1st gear sitting still. Have the motor at idle. Let go of the clutch lever does the quad jump foward and kill the motor?

No, the centrifical clutch is disengaged. It's similar to a chainsaw, or motor scooter's clutch.

The lever bypasses the auto engagement as the engine speeds up allowing you to "feather" the clutch if needed.

It's an auto-clutch with an override lever. Nothing wrong with it. It's jsut what it is. The famed rekluse clutch is the same thing.


and i wouldn't say the recons that under powered give it a break its a 229 cc 2 valve 4 stroke in a 425 pound cradle of course it isnt goin to be fast

That would be my definition of underpowered. ;) I didn't say it was a bad motor. I said it was an underpowered utility quads motor. The stock 300ex motor is a bit underpowered also, so don't take it as a slam.

My measure of underpowered is if you can make it from the base of a large hill, or moderate sand dune to the top without having to downshift. If you have to make a big run at the hill and downshift on the way up, i feel the motors are underpowered, and honestly a saftey factor.

That's why I always reccomend the 400ex over the 300ex to newer riders. THe 300ex in stock form can be quite nerve wracking on the big hills and prone to loose momentum leading to some very unsafe conditions. Not a big deal on dunes, just annoying having to make a 2nd and 3rd run at the hill.. lol.

Sorry a bit off topic.

[2muchquad]

THe 300ex in stock form can be quite nerve wracking on the big hills and prone to loose momentum leading to some very unsafe conditions


A new rider shouldnt be attempting big hills in the first place.Thats like saying a trx450r would be a good quad since its safer because it has more power for just about any obstacle one would encounter.There comes a time when the rider has to be a bigger part of the equation,not just the bike.A 300ex will climb just about anything a bigger non 4wd quad can climb within reason.I do it all the time ;)

[bwamos]

Originally posted by 2muchquad
A new rider shouldnt be attempting big hills in the first place.Thats like saying a trx450r would be a good quad since its safer because it has more power for just about any obstacle one would encounter.There comes a time when the rider has to be a bigger part of the equation,not just the bike.A 300ex will climb just about anything a bigger non 4wd quad can climb within reason.I do it all the time ;)

You're not running stock, and neither am I, for that exact reason. ;) Dunes mainly.

Heck, you're not even running a stock frame, swinger, or arms. There's not much on your quad that would compare to a stock 300ex.

I'd never ever say a 450r is a good quad for a beginner (that has used manual controls before). The 400ex is. There's a huge difference in the way the power is delivered between the two. The 400ex has a controlled smooth power. The 450's are hard hitting speed demons. ;)

Someone in their first year riding will hit a decent hill at some point. It's MUCH easier on a 400ex. The 400ex is more stable, more even power, lighter, and overall just an easier quad to ride. That's why I always reccomend it.

[07250ex]

Originally posted by bwamos
If you are in 1st gear sitting still. Have the motor at idle. Let go of the clutch lever does the quad jump foward and kill the motor?

No, the centrifical clutch is disengaged. It's similar to a chainsaw, or motor scooter's clutch.

The lever bypasses the auto engagement as the engine speeds up allowing you to "feather" the clutch if needed.

It's an auto-clutch with an override lever. Nothing wrong with it. It's jsut what it is. The famed rekluse clutch is the same thing.



That would be my definition of underpowered. ;) I didn't say it was a bad motor. I said it was an underpowered utility quads motor. The stock 300ex motor is a bit underpowered also, so don't take it as a slam.

My measure of underpowered is if you can make it from the base of a large hill, or moderate sand dune to the top without having to downshift. If you have to make a big run at the hill and downshift on the way up, i feel the motors are underpowered, and honestly a saftey factor.

That's why I always reccomend the 400ex over the 300ex to newer riders. THe 300ex in stock form can be quite nerve wracking on the big hills and prone to loose momentum leading to some very unsafe conditions. Not a big deal on dunes, just annoying having to make a 2nd and 3rd run at the hill.. lol.

Sorry a bit off topic.

ohhh i thought the rekluse clutch made the quad fully automatic =p

[Hondamaster5505]

ok, the rappy 250 will kill a 300ex. the 300ex has like 17hp and the rappy is 100lbs lighter, and has 18hp. i read about it in dirtwheels. 300ex is a dog...

and i know you stuborn 300ex lovers are gonna reply to this like, "No way, 300ex is fast, no way. blah blah blah"

I know you may like your bike, but you have to admit your bikes *** is gonna get whooped by a 250...

Like ill admit that my 400ex might be slightly slower than a z-400, but i dont care, because im comfortable on it, and i like it.

[SET THE STAGE]

z400 > 400ex, deal with it

until i see a raptor 250 vs 300ex you really can't say which one is faster. horsepower doesn't make a bike.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
z400 > 400ex, deal with it

until i see a raptor 250 vs 300ex you really can't say which one is faster. horsepower doesn't make a bike.

I agree. My wifes trailblazer was rated at somewhere around 21HP but it was not even close to as fast as my 300. I do have a feeling the rappy 250 and the 300 will be very close in power just like the 300ex and blaster. It's possible that in stock form it will be a tad faster because of the weight but theres no guarantee it will respond to mods as well as the 300.

Has anyone else actually bought or even rode the raptor 250 yet?

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by 300exOH
I agree. My wifes trailblazer was rated at somewhere around 21HP but it was not even close to as fast as my 300. I do have a feeling the rappy 250 and the 300 will be very close in power just like the 300ex and blaster. It's possible that in stock form it will be a tad faster because of the weight but theres no guarantee it will respond to mods as well as the 300.

Has anyone else actually bought or even rode the raptor 250 yet?

You just killed your own doubt really. You say a 300 and a blaster are close. Well the raptor is lighter than a blaster, and has more power. You do the math.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
You just killed your own doubt really. You say a 300 and a blaster are close. Well the raptor is lighter than a blaster, and has more power. You do the math.

The rap 250 is rated at more horsepower but that says nothing for torque or even where it makes power in the rpm range( low end grunt or top end screamer?). There is much more to it than just HP and weight. Handling will play a big factor as well.

[Caseys 300ex]

Power doesnt equal speed. Thats like putting a 10t. front sprocket on a 300ex and having it pull a wheelie in any gear and saying that because its so powerful that it will beat a regualr 300ex.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by 300exOH
The rap 250 is rated at more horsepower but that says nothing for torque or even where it makes power in the rpm range( low end grunt or top end screamer?). There is much more to it than just HP and weight. Handling will play a big factor as well.

Your preaching to the chior. But being that they are marketing this directly at 300's and other 250's im sure Yamaha did plenty of testing and working with the bike. Every review ive read so far rates it as serious player in the game. 300 is a old unupdated bike. Wont be hard to out do that bike.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by Caseys 300ex
Power doesnt equal speed. Thats like putting a 10t. front sprocket on a 300ex and having it pull a wheelie in any gear and saying that because its so powerful that it will beat a regualr 300ex.

Your not stupid enough to think Yamaha doesn't have a few 300exs and have had them apart and tested inside and out researching what to do better? I hope your not that dumb.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Your preaching to the chior. But being that they are marketing this directly at 300's and other 250's im sure Yamaha did plenty of testing and working with the bike. Every review ive read so far rates it as serious player in the game. 300 is a old unupdated bike. Wont be hard to out do that bike.

Of course all the reviews are saying it will be competitive...it sells quads. I won't believe it until I see the quad in action. The 300 is tried and true but the yammy is going to have to prove itself. Everyone said the polaris predator would be a huge contender but where is it now? I'm willing to bet it will all come down to rider ability and reliability. I do have to agree that yamaha tends to do their homework very well but it will take some better technology than the rap 250 to make it really stomp the 300ex. It can be done but I think yamaha tried to keep it tame since it is geared more towards entry level riders.

[markvette]

actually the raptor 250 engine is older technology than the 300ex. the raptor 250 has a 2 valve head and the 300ex has a 4 valve. the raptor motor is not a new engine that yamaha just built for this quad, it comes from one of their bikes that has been around a while. but the weight difference will chime in hear, less weight takes less hp to get it moving. i will just wait and see before i judge it. i do know a guy that is buying a brand new one to put a yamaha 250f dirt bike motor in the frame for a race quad for his son.

Mark

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
z400 > 400ex, deal with it

until i see a raptor 250 vs 300ex you really can't say which one is faster. horsepower doesn't make a bike.

Wowww, u must be stupider than i thought...

Did i NOT just say the z-400 is faster but i dont care because i just like the 400ex??

Thats because im not a stuck up a-hole who thinks my quad is better than everyone elses..

You guys have to get over yourselves. So what if yamaha came out with something faster, better handling, and nimble..

As long as you have fun riding your 300ex, why cant you just admit the rappy is better?

Mainly its the better rider in the race, but its all in what you like to ride. So what if your quad is slower, as long as your having fun..

retards.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by 300exOH
Of course all the reviews are saying it will be competitive...it sells quads. I won't believe it until I see the quad in action. The 300 is tried and true but the yammy is going to have to prove itself. Everyone said the polaris predator would be a huge contender but where is it now? I'm willing to bet it will all come down to rider ability and reliability. I do have to agree that yamaha tends to do their homework very well but it will take some better technology than the rap 250 to make it really stomp the 300ex. It can be done but I think yamaha tried to keep it tame since it is geared more towards entry level riders.

I never heard a person on this planet say a Polaris anything was going to be a contender... WOW... that would be a stretch at best to hear that.

If your talking about same rider ability same weight person, one on the 250 rapter and one on a 300ex I would be highly suprised to see a 300ex win in a race, on a track, or in the woods. I was gonna buy one for my girlfriend but bought her a new 400ex...

[300exOH]

Originally posted by markvette
actually the raptor 250 engine is older technology than the 300ex. the raptor 250 has a 2 valve head and the 300ex has a 4 valve. the raptor motor is not a new engine that yamaha just built for this quad, it comes from one of their bikes that has been around a while. but the weight difference will chime in hear, less weight takes less hp to get it moving. i will just wait and see before i judge it. i do know a guy that is buying a brand new one to put a yamaha 250f dirt bike motor in the frame for a race quad for his son.

Mark

Exactly. The rap 250 engine came from a trials bike that has been around for a while and isn't very technologically advanced. I'm sure it will have decent torque since it is built for trials unless they have made some changes to the engine/gearing. I think the weight will be the only thing that makes it any faster than the 300. I'm not trying to pre-judge the quad either...just trying to state both sides of the story. Personally I think it would make a great quad for a smaller rider including my son. The rappy with the 250f motor is what yamaha should've built.;)

[300exOH]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
I never heard a person on this planet say a Polaris anything was going to be a contender... WOW... that would be a stretch at best to hear that.


Almost every article in every mag said that when the predator came out but the story changed real quick once they were on the market for a while.

We will just have to wait and see once the raptor 250 starts hitting the tracks and trails.

[Caseys 300ex]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Your not stupid enough to think Yamaha doesn't have a few 300exs and have had them apart and tested inside and out researching what to do better? I hope your not that dumb.

Im not trying to fight but that has nothing to do with what i said.

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
Wowww, u must be stupider than i thought...

Did i NOT just say the z-400 is faster but i dont care because i just like the 400ex??

Thats because im not a stuck up a-hole who thinks my quad is better than everyone elses..

You guys have to get over yourselves. So what if yamaha came out with something faster, better handling, and nimble..

As long as you have fun riding your 300ex, why cant you just admit the rappy is better?

Mainly its the better rider in the race, but its all in what you like to ride. So what if your quad is slower, as long as your having fun..

retards.

than you thought? seriously, you know me personally? and no, you didn't say for a fact that the z400 is faster. you said the 400ex MIGHT be slightly slower. key word. also, everyone in my family rides yamaha and honda, i used to own a yamaha until it was stolen. my opinion that i expressed was no where near biased, get it straight. no one here recently is saying "OH, IT'S NEW AND FROM YAMAHA IT WON'T BE ANY GOOD. BLAH BLAH." i'm really excited to see this thing myself. AND WHY DO YOU KEEP INSIST ON SAYING THE RAPPY IS BETTER WHEN YOU'VE NEVER RIDDEN OR SEEN ANYONE RIDE IT?!

also, sweet way of degrading the mentally handicapped, *******.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by Caseys 300ex
Im not trying to fight but that has nothing to do with what i said.

Sure it does, they built a completly new frame and im sure with that motor they have thats tried and true they came up with a winner or they wouldn't have bothered putting it out. Im a honda guy, but yamaha doesn't make junk either. So im sure the combo of a proven motor and a new light nimble chassis alot of people will probably be suprised.

I wont care either way, I got my girl a 400ex and we know thats gonna be faster than a 250 anyway.

[67mopar]

alright i've read every post and am ready for battle:devil:

first of all nobody can say that the rappy will be faster or better because nobody' ridden one yet(atleast no-one that i know) set the stage, caseys 300ex and 300exOH are correct. you cant just go and say something is better than something else if theres no proof. power deosnt equal speed. and the raptor 250 deosn't have a high tech race motor

the raptor 250 wasn't made for racing, it was made more for the beginners and trails.it deosnt have a race motor in it, dont get me wrong im sure it will get up and go, but like 300exHO said, everyone thought the polaris predator was goin to be a race contender, but it wasnt wat some people expected(even though to some people it was too much compared to the 450s).

now im sure that even though i've said all of this that graphicdisorder and hondamaster will start talkin out their a*ses again

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by 67mopar
alright i've read every post and am ready for battle:devil:

first of all nobody can say that the rappy will be faster or better because nobody' ridden one yet(atleast no-one that i know) set the stage, caseys 300ex and 300exOH are correct. you cant just go and say something is better than something else if theres no proof. power deosnt equal speed. and the raptor 250 deosn't have a high tech race motor

the raptor 250 wasn't made for racing, it was made more for the beginners and trails.it deosnt have a race motor in it, dont get me wrong im sure it will get up and go, but like 300exHO said, everyone thought the polaris predator was goin to be a race contender, but it wasnt wat some people expected(even though to some people it was too much compared to the 450s).

now im sure that even though i've said all of this that graphicdisorder and hondamaster will start talkin out their a*ses again

Spoken like someone that cant get past the fact 300ex's aren't that great.

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Spoken like someone that cant get past the fact 300ex's aren't that great.
he didn't jock the word 300ex once in what he posted :rolleyes:

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
he didn't jock the word 300ex once in what he posted :rolleyes:

Read what he rides, ofcourse he is gonna stick up for it. Rather than someone with an unbiased opinion like myself I dont have either bike, and I think they both are under powered. I have 2 400exs...

[SET THE STAGE]

um, durka? i ride one, too. as do a lot of people in here. no one is saying, NO NOT EVEN HIM, "man, it's a yamaha and a 250. can't be good." i'm sure it'll be just like the blaster which is pretty even with the 300. do i care? no. does anyone else? probably not.

get that through your dumb thick skull

[67mopar]

hey im not sticking up for it. i'll be the first to say that 300ex's dont have that much power and aren' that fast. wat im sayin is that u cant just say something is better than something else if u dont know.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by 67mopar
hey im not sticking up for it. i'll be the first to say that 300ex's dont have that much power and aren' that fast. wat im sayin is that u cant just say something is better than something else if u dont know.

Its unlikely that yamaha would release a quad to replace another that is slower, worse in the trails, worse on the tracks, and over all worse than its competitors.

Lets just say this, someones going to be saying I told you so...

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Its unlikely that yamaha would release a quad to replace another that is slower, worse in the trails, worse on the tracks, and over all worse than its competitors.

Lets just say this, someones going to be saying I told you so...

i can't believe you guys are calling the 300 riders biased when we're the ones saying "yeah, it'll probably be a decent quad" and you guys are jocking it like it's going to blow away anything close to it even though you've never ridden, seen one ridden, or maybe even seen one in real life. and at the same time ragging on anything the has 300 followed up with an ex

a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
i can't believe you guys are calling the 300 riders biased when we're the ones saying "yeah, it'll probably be a decent quad" and you guys are jocking it like it's going to blow away anything close to it even though you've never ridden, seen one ridden, or maybe even seen one in real life. and at the same time ragging on anything the has 300 followed up with an ex

a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Nothing hypocritical about a 300ex being due for a big overhaul... same with the 400ex. Thats called being critical and demanding a product be improved... not just some fancy plastic and color change....

At least Yamaha is making a move forward. Honda might finally be doing that this year with the 08 400ex.... its time for the same with the 300ex.... Old news. Stop being so closed minded....

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Nothing hypocritical about a 300ex being due for a big overhaul... same with the 400ex. Thats called being critical and demanding a product be improved... not just some fancy plastic and color change....

At least Yamaha is making a move forward. Honda might finally be doing that this year with the 08 400ex.... its time for the same with the 300ex.... Old news. Stop being so closed minded....

honestly, do you know what hypocrite means? what you said was completely out of context to what i said.

"stop being so close minded" seems to me that's what YOU are doing. "THE 300EX IS SLOW, THE YAMAHA I'VE NEVER RIDDEN OR SEEN RIDDEN WILL BLOW IT AWAY". i don't understand how anything i said was close-minded? i've been saying since i first heard about this thing that it's going to be a nice addition.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
honestly, do you know what hypocrite means? what you said was completely out of context to what i said.

"stop being so close minded" seems to me that's what YOU are doing. "THE 300EX IS SLOW, THE YAMAHA I'VE NEVER RIDDEN OR SEEN RIDDEN WILL BLOW IT AWAY". i don't understand how anything i said was close-minded? i've been saying since i first heard about this thing that it's going to be a nice addition.

Its not likely to be slower. I never said it would blow it away. I said its lighter and you can do the math from there. There is a reason drag cars are light... What do I know ive been around racing all my life on and off road...

Honestly WHO cares they are both weak quads... BOTH...

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
What do I know ive been around racing all my life on and off road...

cool, and i've been riding atc's and dirtbikes since i was 2? that doesn't matter here. none of us are denying it being a decent quad. but there's definitely a chance that i won't keep up with what the blaster left and the 300 is still holding down. i mean, come on, a 2 valve sohc engine with 250cc's based off of it's bore? the 300ex has the same bore, plus a larger stroke, and 2 more valves.. yamaha could have come up with a better design.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
cool, and i've been riding atc's and dirtbikes since i was 2? that doesn't matter here. none of us are denying it being a decent quad. but there's definitely a chance that i won't keep up with what the blaster left and the 300 is still holding down. i mean, come on, a 2 valve sohc engine with 250cc's based off of it's bore? the 300ex has the same bore, plus a larger stroke, and 2 more valves.. yamaha could have come up with a better design.

Ya and the same crap your illustrating is why there are 4 bangers that out run V8's every day. Weight can actually be more important than power and im blown away you dont put more thought into that... must not have been around to long... or know to much. No offense.

[SET THE STAGE]

i'm sure there was absolutely no offense meant with that last remark :rolleyes:

[Hondamaster5505]

"Honestly WHO cares they are both weak quads... BOTH..."

I totally agree with you GraphicDisorder, Ill take my 400ex over a rappy 250 or 300ex any day.. lol.

And really, to end this argument...

its 80% rider, 20% quad

You can put doug gust on a 250ex and some crappy rider on a 450 around a track, and im sure doug gust would probably win.

haha.

So yeah, even if the raptor is faster, its mainly about the rider.
Be happy with what you ride, dont worry if other people are faster than you, if your having fun you'll eventually end up getting better and getting a bigger quad. IMO...

Its not always about being faster, riding is about just having fun.
;)

[Ghost-Rider]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder

Honestly WHO cares they are both weak quads... BOTH...

My 300 pulls the front up when i shift to 5th, i don't call that weak.

[richmond559]

All this for quads that are intended for kids .Yes ive riden a 300ex back in the day and there ok for what they are ment to do have fun..Im thinking of getting the 250 raptor for the 10yr old because its smaller and has a clutch.he rides a 250 ex at the dunes here in california now .But im sure after 3 or 4 yrs if not sooner he wont be riding a 250 - 300 or a 350 i cant believe you guys are making such a big stink over what id call begginer quads at best..Oh by the way i have a quadracer 250,400ex ,686 raptor,and a 125 extreme typhoon for the kid.and if i pull real hard on the kids 125 i can also get the front end up in 4th gear haha...

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by Ghost-Rider
My 300 pulls the front up when i shift to 5th, i don't call that weak.

300ex is pretty weak dont matter what you call it. Thats why they make bikes like 400's, 450's, 660's and 700's. All which are faster and more powerfull and usefull then a 300ex. blah....

[300exOH]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
300ex is pretty weak dont matter what you call it. Thats why they make bikes like 400's, 450's, 660's and 700's. All which are faster and more powerfull and usefull then a 300ex. blah....

Why don't you try making some valid points in this thread instead of bashing the 300ex? What makes you so high and mighty when you ride a 400ex?...not exactly the baddest quad on the market either. This thread has NOTHING to do with the 400's/450's or otherwise. Nobody here is saying the rap 250 or the 300 is the fastest thing around so get on with it. They are strictly built for fun trail riding for younger riders...period. I would hardly call a quad that has won the sport class gncc's for many years a weak quad. I'm sure there are many guys that ride a 300 that could whip on your 400 in the woods. I'm not saying I am one of them since I only trail ride for fun but I know some other guys and kids:p that could pull it off.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by 300exOH
Why don't you try making some valid points in this thread instead of bashing the 300ex? What makes you so high and mighty when you ride a 400ex?...not exactly the baddest quad on the market either. This thread has NOTHING to do with the 400's/450's or otherwise. Nobody here is saying the rap 250 or the 300 is the fastest thing around so get on with it. They are strictly built for fun trail riding for younger riders...period. I would hardly call a quad that has won the sport class gncc's for many years a weak quad. I'm sure there are many guys that ride a 300 that could whip on your 400 in the woods. I'm not saying I am one of them since I only trail ride for fun but I know some other guys and kids:p that could pull it off.

Heres a valid point. 250 is lighter by a fair amount then a 300, and a blaster, and it also has similar power. Theres some valid points.

Oh and im sure some people can beat me with a lesser quad, there is always someone better. However im no amature either, I have a well set up quad with a nice +2 suspension and elkas so im no chump. BTW ive rode a ton of 300exs, even one that could have competed at national level... ive never been impressed with them. Thats also another valid point. Heres another, if this thread has nothign to do with 400s why are you now also mentioning it? Seems a bit double standard on your part its ok for you to talk about it but nobody else? HA... btw your also trying to insult my ability has nothing to do with this thread either but your ok with talking about it. If you want things to stay on topic try it yourself.

This is getting kinda fun.

[300exOH]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Heres a valid point. 250 is lighter by a fair amount then a 300, and a blaster, and it also has similar power. Theres some valid points.

Oh and im sure some people can beat me with a lesser quad, there is always someone better. However im no amature either, I have a well set up quad with a nice +2 suspension and elkas so im no chump. BTW ive rode a ton of 300exs, even one that could have competed at national level... ive never been impressed with them. Thats also another valid point. Heres another, if this thread has nothign to do with 400s why are you now also mentioning it? Seems a bit double standard on your part its ok for you to talk about it but nobody else? HA... btw your also trying to insult my ability has nothing to do with this thread either but your ok with talking about it. If you want things to stay on topic try it yourself.

This is getting kinda fun.

What ever...get over yourself. I only mentioned the 400 because YOU keep bringing it up as being better than the 300! Who really gives a zhit if you are impressed with it or not. If that is the case then I'm sure you wont be impressed with the raptor 250 either. I'm not trying to put down your ability I'm just trying to prove a point that has been stated 1000X...it's all about the rider. Oh and I really dont think that you having aftermarket parts proves ANYTHING... judging by your sig I have more stuff done to my 300 but it doesn't make me a great rider. Get over yourself....

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by 300exOH
What ever...get over yourself. I only mentioned the 400 because YOU keep bringing it up as being better than the 300! Who really gives a zhit if you are impressed with it or not. If that is the case then I'm sure you wont be impressed with the raptor 250 either. I'm not trying to put down your ability I'm just trying to prove a point that has been stated 1000X...it's all about the rider. Oh and I really dont think that you having aftermarket parts proves ANYTHING... judging by your sig I have more stuff done to my 300 but it doesn't make me a great rider. Get over yourself....

Congrats ive never said it wasn't about the rider. In fact go back a few posts, I even said given same rider weight and ability I would be surprised that a 250 wont beat a 300. So ya go back and read so you dont end up making useless posts. Everyone knows on a track its about ability and I know all about that... Everyones moved on from your "point" thats been said 1000x times. And nobody here is arguing diff. Thanks good game.

Also I never said I was great, so there is nothing to get over. But I hold my own and thats plenty good for most people I ride with on and off a track.

[bradley300]

Originally posted by Boweman
. it looks like a winner but it isnt. there is not class or market this bike falls into. the 250ex will still be the true begginers bike, the suzuki will still be the faster begginers bike. the manual clutch on the raptor will severely hurt its true bigginer capabilities and i dont think it has reverse, that will make it a very unlikely buy for a begginer. . why did yamaha even make it?

sounds like the same argument that people made about blasters, and i think they did just fine.

i'm already hearing these are quick. like someone else said, its got a higher compression and shorter stroke than a 300ex. with that plus the 60 lb weight advantage, i wouldnt doubt this is every bit as fast as a 300ex.

its also not simlar to a raptor 350 frame, its much smaller, more like a blaster, but the geometry is deifferent than a blaster also. its its own unique quad, and i think it will do well. i'll find out soon enuff;)

[bradley300]

Originally posted by jonboy
I hope no one over 5 ft tall is planning on riding this thing. I seen one at the Lorreta Lynns Amature nationals. It isnt much bigger than a polaris 90. The 250X will dwarf this thing.

did you get a chance to sit on it? i sat on one at the dealership and was suprised, i have more knee/leg room on it than i did my blaster. i think the short front nose makes it look smaller than it really is

[bradley300]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
blaster shares a lot of the same parts as the DT200 dirtbike (only made in a few countries. not the US)

only real big difference is the dt200 was watercooled, electric start, and i think powervalved? or something of that sort at least..... and made like 36hp, not 17hp lolz

the blaster was from an IT, the DT was derived from the IT, and did have a power valve and water cooling

[DJR300ex]

well i think the raptor 250 will be pretty close competition for a 300ex. im not gonna bash on either one of these bikes because i had a 300ex and loved it and i cant wait to ride the raptor. the raptor is all new, nobody that i know has ever rode one so nobody should be bashing about it until they get to actually ride it.

oh, and graphicdisorder, your 400ex isnt even in the same class as the raptor and 300ex. of course your bike is gonna have more power than both of them, but the 400's power is nothing to brag about either. id be willing to bet my 250 could outrun your 400

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by DJR300ex
oh, and graphicdisorder, your 400ex isnt even in the same class as the raptor and 300ex.

Well DUH.. show me where I said it was? Ya didn't think so kid. Anyway thats why I bought my GIRL a 400ex lol. I mean come on... 300ex's are not impressive at all if your over say 8-9 years old. The raptor 250 is attrative for that crowd and beginers and its the only reason I considered it for my gf as a first bike. But 400ex is proving just perfect for her.

[DJR300ex]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder
Well DUH.. show me where I said it was? Ya didn't think so kid. Anyway thats why I bought my GIRL a 400ex lol. I mean come on... 300ex's are not impressive at all if your over say 8-9 years old. The raptor 250 is attrative for that crowd and beginers and its the only reason I considered it for my gf as a first bike. But 400ex is proving just perfect for her.

well you said that both of these quads are underpowered compared to your 400ex. we're not talking about the 400 class, we're talkin about the raptor 250 and the 300ex.

but 400ex's arent that impressive either man, im glad you like yours and im glad your girl likes her's too, but they dont really impress me. ive outran many 400s and 450s on my little 250.

but seriously guys, lets just try to get back on topic here.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by DJR300ex
well you said that both of these quads are underpowered compared to your 400ex. we're not talking about the 400 class, we're talkin about the raptor 250 and the 300ex.

but 400ex's arent that impressive either man, im glad you like yours and im glad your girl likes her's too, but they dont really impress me. ive outran many 400s and 450s on my little 250.

but seriously guys, lets just try to get back on topic here.

I didn't say my 400 I said compared to 400's. I think your stupid... let me dumb it down for you. Stock 300 to stock 400 with riders with the same ability and same weight a the 400 is going to show you just how under powered a 300 is.

BTW. I ride with 250's all the time and just like already said its always about the rider and trust me there are alot of tools running around on a 250 with no clue what they are doing so big wup honestly.

[DJR300ex]

who cares who's 400 it is? youre still trying to compare a bigger class bike to 250 and a 300, so of course its gonna have more power. even im smart enough to know that.

btw, i aint no tool becasue i ride a 250 if thats what youre trying to get at. i know what im doing. oh, and my 250, its a 87 250r with the LA sleeve 295 kit and i know what im doing. i know its not pretty, but it runs real dang good

[Hondamaster5505]

wow, obviously some of you aren't even real riders..
Like i have said before, and will say again, It almost ALL about rider.
Just go out and have fun, so what if your buddy gets a bigger bike than you, if he cant ride worth a ****, than what are you worried about. He would have nothing to brag about other than the fact he beats you in drags.

Raptor was the first REAL 250 to be designed for power+handling.
Other 250's, for example a 250ex, is just a recon with sporty plastics. makes 12hp maybe. The raptor on the other hand, isnt based on a utility, it is its own class really.

Break-down for ya why stock for stock, the rappy has a better chance.

Raptor: 18hp; 311 lbs
300ex: 17hp; 370-380 lbs

Horsepower to weight ratio is ALOT better on the raptor.
Why do you think racers go all out to have the lightest quad possible on the race track??
exactly.
The 300ex is in need of a major update, they need it to shed some weight, and add a tee bit more power, if a 250 can put out more hp, than the 300 is plenty capable of more.

You can't argue with anything i just said, for it is all fact.

[jonboy]

Man, You folks are a bunch of *****es. Has anyone other than Bradley300 or myself gotten up close and personal with one of these quads? Yes Bradley300 I did sit on it, it felt a little cramped for me but I am 5'10". It seemed a little smaller than the blaster in my opinion and quite a bit more than a 300ex.These things are meant for the younger crowd. I would have no problem getting it for my kids. I also got the chance to hear it run, it revs very quick and is very responsive in stock trim. I have no doubt it would be a contender with the 300ex. But I guess we all will have to wait and see. Maybe Dirtwheels will have a shoot out between the two.

[GraphicDisorder]

Originally posted by Hondamaster5505
wow, obviously some of you aren't even real riders..
Like i have said before, and will say again, It almost ALL about rider.
Just go out and have fun, so what if your buddy gets a bigger bike than you, if he cant ride worth a ****, than what are you worried about. He would have nothing to brag about other than the fact he beats you in drags.

Raptor was the first REAL 250 to be designed for power+handling.
Other 250's, for example a 250ex, is just a recon with sporty plastics. makes 12hp maybe. The raptor on the other hand, isnt based on a utility, it is its own class really.

Break-down for ya why stock for stock, the rappy has a better chance.

Raptor: 18hp; 311 lbs
300ex: 17hp; 370-380 lbs

Horsepower to weight ratio is ALOT better on the raptor.
Why do you think racers go all out to have the lightest quad possible on the race track??
exactly.
The 300ex is in need of a major update, they need it to shed some weight, and add a tee bit more power, if a 250 can put out more hp, than the 300 is plenty capable of more.

You can't argue with anything i just said, for it is all fact.

Well said.

[bradley300]

Originally posted by jonboy
Man, You folks are a bunch of *****es. Has anyone other than Bradley300 or myself gotten up close and personal with one of these quads? Yes Bradley300 I did sit on it, it felt a little cramped for me but I am 5'10". It seemed a little smaller than the blaster in my opinion and quite a bit more than a 300ex.These things are meant for the younger crowd. I would have no problem getting it for my kids. I also got the chance to hear it run, it revs very quick and is very responsive in stock trim. I have no doubt it would be a contender with the 300ex. But I guess we all will have to wait and see. Maybe Dirtwheels will have a shoot out between the two.

i'm also 5-10, i thought it felt real similar to a blaster, but i couldnt get my knees to touch the front fenders which i could on the blaster. i'm going up there again today to check it out a little closer, and take some measurements to see what it will take to make it race ready. pretty sure i'm going to buy one soon, sport class, i'm comin' back!

[bradley300]

well guys, i just got back from the dealer and they let me ride it around the parking lot. i couldnt wind it out thru all the gears, but i got up to 4th, and seat of the pants tells me its faster than a blaster, not by a whole lot, but enuff that its not a question. the motor lugs really good too. should be a fun quad, and a good competitor in the sport class at the GNCC's

it does not feel as light as a blaster, but its still definatly lighter than a 300ex.

[Sjorge450R]

i was on one. didnt ride it, just sat on it. Its basically an overgrown youth quad. I still havent ridden one, but judging on size, i would still take my 300.

[BamBamm13]

I just wanted to get in on this since everybody else has...

[jandjracing]

Originally posted by GraphicDisorder

However im no amature either, I have a well set up quad with a nice +2 suspension and elkas so im no chump.

I wish I would have known. All this time, all I needed was some +2's and Elka's (lol) and I would not be an amature or a chump.

[2muchquad]

i too rode this raptor 2fiddy.I thought it had so much low end grunt that i thought it was a 660 grizzly:rolleyes:

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by jandjracing
I wish I would have known. All this time, all I needed was some +2's and Elka's (lol) and I would not be an amature or a chump.

HOLY LOL

[Ghost-Rider]

Originally posted by 2muchquad
i too rode this raptor 2fiddy.I thought it had so much low end grunt that i thought it was a 660 grizzly:rolleyes:

Exaggerate much ?

[2muchquad]

Exaggerate much


If you seen the "roll eyes",you'll know i was being sarcastic:macho

[SET THE STAGE]

reading comprehension 2k7

[Hondamaster5505]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
reading comprehension 2k7
lol

[Seano300ex]

i sall one of these yamaha 250's today at the dealership near my house, and that thing was soo dam tiny!

[richmond559]

Big bike and small motor dosnt make a whole lot of sense does it .So a small bike with a small motor makes alot of sense .Remember it a starter quad for young kids not adults. So dont get to upset when that 10yr old goes flying past your 300ex..

[Seano300ex]

Originally posted by richmond559
Big bike and small motor dosnt make a whole lot of sense does it .So a small bike with a small motor makes alot of sense .Remember it a starter quad for young kids not adults. So dont get to upset when that 10yr old goes flying past your 300ex..
too bad im gettin a 450 soon so i will kill u and ur kid on the 250 ha:eek2: :rolleyes:

[2muchquad]

Remember it a starter quad for young kids not adults. So dont get to upset when that 10yr old goes flying past your 300ex..


Ahh...actually its over the 90cc limit for kids under 16,so i would call it an adult quad,even though some parents may buy them for their 10yr olds.:D

[richmond559]

Wow strong words ....( KILL U ) ...Talks cheap when your on the computer isnt it...untill you get one keep on dreamin then come on over to the coast or glamis and see what will kick your .ss...

[richmond559]

Originally posted by 2muchquad
Ahh...actually its over the 90cc limit for kids under 16,so i would call it an adult quad,even though some parents may buy them for their 10yr olds.:D Last time i checked its not a law atleast here in california it might be in ohio ..Its called riding up to your ability ..If you can only handle a certain cc then stay with it ,but if you get a chance to move up then do it .This 10yr old is 5'1" -115lbs those 90s just dont cut it.So your saying he should ride a 90 for 6 more yrs. get real...

[bwamos]

Originally posted by 2muchquad
Ahh...actually its over the 90cc limit for kids under 16,so i would call it an adult quad,even though some parents may buy them for their 10yr olds.:D

Many race series have an older kids/younger teen class for the 13yr-15yr range that allows quads in the "sport class size range" up to 300cc's.

That's what this quad is built for.


gnccracing.com
Youth Production (ATV) - Limited to production models (0-200cc 2-stroke; 0-300cc 4-stroke). No engine displacement reduction permitted.

[Seano300ex]

Originally posted by richmond559
Wow strong words ....( KILL U ) ...Talks cheap when your on the computer isnt it...untill you get one keep on dreamin then come on over to the coast or glamis and see what will kick your .ss...
yea alright man we'll see whats up

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by richmond559
Last time i checked its not a law atleast here in california it might be in ohio ..Its called riding up to your ability ..If you can only handle a certain cc then stay with it ,but if you get a chance to move up then do it .This 10yr old is 5'1" -115lbs those 90s just dont cut it.So your saying he should ride a 90 for 6 more yrs. get real...

just wondering, have you EVER read the warning labels on fenders? i mean.. really?

[richmond559]

I sure have its called a recommendation label not a law label...Its so the company protects there *** from being sued ..Oh and by the way dont cut the tags off of you pillows and mattress wouldnt want you to get into trouble.I mean really..

[SET THE STAGE]

reread one for me and tell me what the word never means

thanks

[richmond559]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
reread one for me and tell me what the word never means

thanks So i guess you've only been riding your 250r and 300 ex for less then 2 yrs huh..My fenders on all my quads dont have labels on them ...Again the labels are put on there to protect the manufacturer not the kids riding them.If the kid can ride it let him, if you dont like it go to washington and lobby with the rest of the overprotective people out there.

[SET THE STAGE]

Originally posted by richmond559
So i guess you've only been riding your 250r and 300 ex for less then 2 yrs huh..

OH, MAN, YOU GOT ME GOOD!

way to dodge it.

[richmond559]

Originally posted by SET THE STAGE
OH, MAN, YOU GOT ME GOOD!

way to dodge it. Not dodging it had to add to the post..look..

[richmond559]

Originally posted by richmond559
Not dodging it had to add to the post..look..By the way was i right.....................Ill never know because you wont admit to it.If you just started riding then you dont have enough experience to talk the talk..Because this 10yr old been riding for 4yrs now...Im done with this argument ride your quad and dont worry about others riding ability..Thanks