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ESR250R
10-17-2002, 10:15 PM
well i am gonna be ordering up a frame in a few weeks here and i need to know which route i am taking. in the future i am gonna switch to long travel hermann a arms and a new hermann swingarm but i havent heard anything about there chassis. ive read alot of old archives on the arens 250r chassis being the best, but i dont want to wait forever for a frame. so my questions are:

which one is a better chassis for the money?
how much is the hermann chassis?
how much wait is there on a hermann and a arens frame?
and do either of them come with any kind of a warranty?
racerx573
10-17-2002, 10:49 PM
Well. my friend got his Arens (brand new) from Columbia Motorsports for $1500 shipped. Waited about 2 weeks for it. Not sure about Warranty....Herrmann's are $2450 I believe. I emailed them once about it. Havent heard much bout their replacement frames. You might also look into Predator frames (PRD) theyre exact Laeger specs. Narrow frame and CR500 linkage..
mxracer111
10-18-2002, 12:39 AM
do you have any info. so i can contact colunbia motorsports? i cant find them on the web?
racerx573
10-18-2002, 06:06 AM
I believe they may have an ad in Dirt Wheels. I think they have a site, I will try to find it and get back to you.
stocktires
10-18-2002, 08:09 PM
Simple answer from me........................Arens
Dave400ex
10-18-2002, 08:58 PM
Walsh. :blah I would say Herrmann if everything else is gonna be Herrmann. Or you could wait for Houser to make their 250r Frame.
ESR250R
10-22-2002, 09:15 PM
did u find out about that columbia motorsports place?
forum
10-23-2002, 06:19 AM
go arens

walsh is a 12 month wait.

A guy i race with has had bad luck with his herrmenn stuff, but i don't think hes had trouble with the frame yet.

arens i would still say is your best bet.
Foxrage
10-23-2002, 07:50 AM
I would say go with arens if the wait isnt bad if the wait is long get a herrmann. I know arens is great but i think the herrmann also look like a great frame.
Mxbubs
10-23-2002, 02:51 PM
Call Brad Herrmann. The dude is sharp, and has integrity and will treat you right. I think his work is unparralled.
Dave400ex
10-23-2002, 03:41 PM
Either one will work. Arens should be real easy to get.
mrusk
10-23-2002, 04:56 PM
I agree with mxbubs herrmann is top notch. I think he wants 2400 for his frames. I dont know if his frame is going to be $600 better then arens.

matt
QuadRacer041
10-23-2002, 06:39 PM
of course its top notch, thats what he's got. he's not going to say its junk.
i may be wrong but i dont even think his bike is done yet.
but.....stuff really hasnt been proven yet,.......... in my opinion.
James70214
10-23-2002, 07:16 PM
I had an Arens. It was good. I would say look at frontline. A lot of guys at the nationals had them. They are 2100. They were in the dirtwheels when they had a frame shootout. The guy had a laeger a roll frame and an arens and combines all of their best features into one frame. Very good quality and it has been proven. There were about 15-25 bikes with them at the nationals
ESR250R
10-23-2002, 08:11 PM
whats the wait on one and where can i order one (website if there is one)
Mxbubs
10-24-2002, 02:00 AM
I just got off the phone with a buddy of mine that has been running an Arens frame for 3 years. He said it is in the process as getting 9 cracks welded. God as my witness.
forum
10-24-2002, 08:11 AM
yep I've heard of an arens frame developing cracks but The only two aftermarket frames around me are arens. Apartently all aftermarket frames will develop cracks over time because they are very rigid in design so they will crack more often due to less chassis flex. Arens is a good frame for a good price because they are made by machine. Leagers may be better but they are way more money. and lonestar. From all the things i've heard don't buy lonestar chassis products. oo yea arens is a short wait to.
QuadRacer041
10-24-2002, 10:37 AM
you give me ANY frame and i guarantee in the 3 years i can crack it in a bunch of places too.
QuadRacer041
10-24-2002, 10:38 AM
also arens has only receintly started making there frames by machine, thats why the wait time is so short now, he used to make them by hand.
i ordered mine last sept and didnt get it till april.
Mxbubs
10-24-2002, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by quad041
you give me ANY frame and i guarantee in the 3 years i can crack it in a bunch of places too.

I can agree with that. But some will last better than others.
Dave400ex
10-24-2002, 02:58 PM
I wonder how often the Pro`s get cracks in their Frames? Of course we don`t hear about them though.
ESR250R
10-27-2002, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by quad041
also arens has only receintly started making there frames by machine, thats why the wait time is so short now, he used to make them by hand.
i ordered mine last sept and didnt get it till april.


are the arens frames not as good now that he builds them by machine
QuadRacer041
10-27-2002, 08:49 AM
nahh, i think they are just as good. im sure he switched to a machine cause he couldnt keep up with the demand for his frames.i would think that they are even better now with the machine.
ESR250R
10-27-2002, 09:34 AM
in a different post someone said the arens 400ex frame are 1300 y are the 250r frames more?
Dave400ex
10-27-2002, 09:37 AM
In the ATV Sport Arens said now that the Frames are done by Machine the quality of the product is higher because it is the exact same unlike before when one could of been done really well and one not so well.
QuadRacer041
10-27-2002, 12:49 PM
the average price for the r frame is $1800, but they price may have come down.
ESR250R
10-27-2002, 08:31 PM
do they have a website or how do i contact them?
QuadRacer041
10-28-2002, 02:03 PM
no they dont have a web site as far as i know.if you need the number let me know.
ESR250R
10-28-2002, 05:20 PM
ya i am gonna need the number i tried writing them a email but got no response.
Dave400ex
10-28-2002, 06:54 PM
I called one time and nobody answered.
400exRacerX
10-28-2002, 08:55 PM
I love my arens.
Pro400EXC
10-29-2002, 05:26 AM
You could also check out PRP Chassis....K&K Sellem i think...

LOL Ask quad 041 about Gibson,I think he stands behind thereproduct real well :o

Also,you could maybe check out a LRD Aluminum......

Oh also,about Aren's frames getting cracks....Well I am sure most frames will crack after 3yrs of hard riding,unless it was solid steel. Heck they don't call Aren's the Million Mile frame for nothing......

Also,you could check out Fischer Cycles frames...He does a good job I hear,and makes em real sturdy..Contanct Legacy ATV about them frames....www.legacyatv.com
QuadRacer041
10-29-2002, 02:59 PM
GIBSON SUX!
dont flame its just my opinion.
stocktires
10-29-2002, 05:23 PM
In 041's point, its more of a fact I would say :blah
Dave400ex
10-29-2002, 06:41 PM
Yeah he has pictures to prove how he knows Gibson sucks, or somebody at K&K sucks at packing.
Mxbubs
10-30-2002, 10:54 AM
I dont know dude, I heard some bad stuff about David Porter, and his business ethics.
mrusk
10-30-2002, 04:51 PM
I know 041's frame was totally screw up, but still i would not say gibson sucks. I have seen loads of gibons products when i was down at ECATV and all of them were top notch quality. There parts as as good as houser, laeger, herrmann, walsh etc.

matt
Bean
10-30-2002, 05:03 PM
i like gibson, and u cant really say they suck because of one part, my cranks blow up all the time, my bike dont suck, people blow out TCS, they dont suck, ect
stocktires
10-30-2002, 07:07 PM
Well Bean, If ya never said anything sucked, nothing would be good.
So I'd say they have some sucky characteristics (sp?).
QuadRacer041
10-31-2002, 10:22 AM
well of course east coast hads loads of there stuff,gibson, east coast and k&k all work together to sell gibson. and i dont care how good people say they are i think they suck, no one should have ever let that frame go out in the condition i got it in!!!!!!!!
and no way it happened in shipping, if it did i hate to see what would happen when i jumped it 80ft.
QuadRacer041
10-31-2002, 10:22 AM
well of course east coast hads loads of there stuff,gibson, east coast and k&k all work together to sell gibson. and i dont care how good people say they are i think they suck, no one should have ever let that frame go out in the condition i got it in!!!!!!!!
and no way it happened in shipping, if it did i hate to see what would happen when i jumped it 80ft.
QuadRacer041
10-31-2002, 10:22 AM
well of course east coast hads loads of there stuff,gibson, east coast and k&k all work together to sell gibson. and i dont care how good people say they are i think they suck, no one should have ever let that frame go out in the condition i got it in!!!!!!!!
and no way it happened in shipping, if it did i hate to see what would happen when i jumped it 80ft.
QuadRacer041
10-31-2002, 10:33 AM
ooppps, i kept hitting submit and it was saying website not responding, but i guess it went threw anyway.
sorry
mrusk
10-31-2002, 05:22 PM
Quad041 man you really know how to get your point across! lol by saying it 3 times.

matt
ESR250R
11-03-2002, 04:40 PM
can someone post or pm me with the number for arens? thx
ESR250R
11-09-2002, 04:29 PM
i still need that number.
Dave400ex
11-09-2002, 06:12 PM
Look in the CRF or Stock Frame Thread. It is posted there.
ESR250R
11-10-2002, 01:01 PM
i reviewed that thread and i cant find a number anywhere in it. can someone just email or pm me with arens number.
ESR250R
11-10-2002, 01:54 PM
thanks quad041
Dave400ex
11-10-2002, 04:25 PM
Heck PM Jnine if you have to. That's John Arens.
ESR250R
11-10-2002, 05:51 PM
i tried but got no response. its ok quad041 gave me the number