Can-Am DS450 Released! Pics, Videos, Interviews

[Ralph]

Just a reminder that there is a new section for the DS450.

If u didnt happen to look at the homepage, Can-Am has finaly let this beast out of the bag. Check out our full coverage!

DONT FORGET TO CHECK OUT THE VIDEOS, very cool stuff!

http://www.atvriders.com/images/recentnews/2008brpcanamds450atv.jpg (http://www.atvriders.com/atvreviews/canam2008ds450sportatvpressintro.html)

[Quad18star]

I'm glad Can-Am took their time and did their homework with this machine ( I wouldn't expect anything less from them) . Looks like the rest of the industry will be playing Catch-Up now !!!!

[XtremeSkier]

damn that thing is kickass!!:devil:

wonder what the MSRP is

[Cody_300ex]

Looks like they did a good job but Im somewhat let down, they hyped it up to be sooo light and it's dry weight it's 5 lbs lighter? Not saying they didnt do a good job, JMO. no pun intended

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Cody_300ex
Looks like they did a good job but Im somewhat let down, they hyped it up to be sooo light and it's dry weight it's 5 lbs lighter? Not saying they didnt do a good job, JMO. no pun intended

Even if its only 5 pounds lighter, the biggest gain is that the weight is centralized to the center of gravity. This gives you an easier to maneuver atv.

Check out how much they were whipping this thing.

At this point in time, it is the only atv that i would buy over the 450r now. It would be perfect for me. I dont get to ride much anymore and cant justify pumping tons of money into modding any other 450 bike. I think i could have alot of fun on this bike in stock form. Only thing i would do is a rebuild on the shocks and maybe tires and bars or something.

[GE4x4]

It 5lbs lighter then the YFZ450, but I think you will see that number different for 08. But the rest of e-start 450's, it's about 15-20lbs lighter. That is huge.

[Mean250r]

that thang is ugly!!!

I wana ride it tho :devil:

[Ruby Soho]

its cool.

and people said the kfx450 was ugly:o

[DVXracer]

Damn, i want one now . :(

[JJs450r]

these things comming stock like the ltr already wide?

[CHEVYZ]

I think that it will be one really sick quad when it comes to performance.....but damn that thing looks goofy lol. Sorry, but I had to say it.....

[WhiteZrider]

Cant to see one fully pimped out :D

[Ralph]

Originally posted by WhiteZrider
Cant to see one fully pimped out :D

Harlen already has footage of one already fully pimped out. It looks sick. Im gonna do a link for all the lazy people.


http://www.atvriders.com/videos/atvmodels/canam/images/canam2008ds450atvallenwhite.jpg (http://www.atvriders.com/videos/atvmodels/canam/canam2008ds450atvallenwhite.html)


If we are lucky the other oem's are gonna hit us with engineering this good. We are driving Honda Civics right now and this thing is a Benz of ATV's.

[ZeroLogic]

Ugly if you ask me. Frame looks weak to me.

[amonomous]

Originally posted by ZeroLogic
Ugly if you ask me. Frame looks weak to me.

how do u figure the frame looks weak?

looks like its gonna be one heck of a machine
only thing i dont like is the plastic thats covering the radiator

[MX450]

wow is it U G L Y

I love that the companies are pushing things that is going in the right direction.. but these thing they keep coming out with get uglier and uglier every time one is released.

I think the YFZ and 450R are the best looking 450s.. I cant wait till they come out with some up to date yams and hondas.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by MX450
wow is it U G L Y

I love that the companies are pushing things that is going in the right direction.. but these thing they keep coming out with get uglier and uglier every time one is released.

I think the YFZ and 450R are the best looking 450s.. I cant wait till they come out with some up to date yams and hondas.

and people used to complain non-stop about how ugly they were.

It always happens.

[quadwanter]

i actually like it...but does anyone else think it resembles both a kfx700 and yfz with laker plastic?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/Quadwanter/ds450front.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/Quadwanter/kfx700front.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/Quadwanter/yfzlakerfront.jpg


:huh

[honda8&3]

The msrp is 7499

www.canam.brp.com/en-US/Vehicles/DS450

[honda8&3]

wow they also got rid of the ds 650 models.

It is no longer in the showroom on their website.

[c450Razy]

can someone answer why on can am bikes they run the exuast out the right then to the left? they did that with the 650 and i never understood that?

[07250ex]

i dunno the chains on the wrong side to :confused:

[c450Razy]

yea, i think that most rotax motors are like that.

[c450Razy]

theres a black one to!

[N300exJ]

Im selling my 05 450R for one of these. time to get with modern technology

[pats2007450er]

that thing needs some serious plastic surgery,it's ugly as ****.power is probably awsome.

[TWISTED DINLI]

i think the stock one looks kinda goofy but the tricked out one is awesome lookin IMO.

[pats2007450er]

Originally posted by TWISTED DINLI
i think the stock one looks kinda goofy but the tricked out one is awesome lookin IMO. where did you see a tricked out one

[CannondaleRider]

My friends at Off-Road.com have a bunch of pictures of Jeremy's bike in full race trim.


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/TheFX440king/day2_079.jpg
http://atv.off-road.com/atv/data/articlestandard/atv/222007/431124/day2_046.jpg
http://atv.off-road.com/atv/data/articlestandard/atv/222007/431124/day2_063.jpg

[c450Razy]

I see its got a sparks system on it. Thats interesting.

[Ralph]

Harlen has a full video of the EPIC bike. It looks great.

[quad2xtreme]

big disappointment is the width of the a-arms and axle. Still big money to replace those items.

For the weekend racer, Suzuki still seems to be the ticket.

Love the design though and disappointed in the weight too. I thought it was going to be the lightest production quad of all time...not today. Wouldn't be hard to shave 5 pounds from several of the other quads. The Rotax engine must weigh a lot more than the others because they were shaving weight in the frame, front suspension, rear axle and all. In the end, it only netted 5 pounds for them.

[honda8&3]

still like the 450r and kfx and all the others better,

On can ams web site in their videos they said that their biggest competitor is the honda 450r.

[TRUE]

Originally posted by honda8&3
still like the 450r and kfx and all the others better,

On can ams web site in their videos they said that their biggest competitor is the honda 450r.
I hope that was a joke

[c450Razy]

why?

[07250ex]

cuz yfz's, ltr's, and Kfx-R's are better then the 450r

[LTR450_#67]

easy guys....in stock trim it does look like a misfit, but the 450 done up looks good I think.

[07250ex]

ill admit in this stage of the game its one ugly bike but the samething happened to the kfx450r, at first any unique looking bike is ugly but this stuff grows on yah

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by quad2xtreme
big disappointment is the width of the a-arms and axle. Still big money to replace those items.

For the weekend racer, Suzuki still seems to be the ticket.

Love the design though and disappointed in the weight too. I thought it was going to be the lightest production quad of all time...not today. Wouldn't be hard to shave 5 pounds from several of the other quads. The Rotax engine must weigh a lot more than the others because they were shaving weight in the frame, front suspension, rear axle and all. In the end, it only netted 5 pounds for them.


Where are you getting your weights from? The DS is 19lbs lighter then the all aluminum KFX450, 18lbs lighter then the 450er, and 23lbs lighter then the LTR. That is a lot. As far as the YFZ, well seen many that were weighed wet and they were over 390lbs. There is no way a YFZ has 40lbs of fluid, so it shows there number is just a selling point but far from accurate. It has 9% more power then the nearest 450 which is the KFX450 at 43HP at the crank. Now thats allmost 4hp, thus about 47hp for the DS. Well you add 4hp to any 450 and your going to feel it, yet the DS has it stock. Plus that engine has a lot of potential for much more. So you fiqure the KFX weighs 364lbs at 43hp has a power to weight of 1hp to every 8.47lbs. The DS450 at 345lbs and 47hp has a ratio of 1hp to every 7.34lbs. That over a 1lb difference and that is what it's all about. Power to weight.

[rollie]

i read somewhere that they dont really build the bikes then weigh them, they weigh the seperate parts then add them up on the computer, so some of there claimed weighs are alot differnt than in real life, can am did an AWSOME job on this bike, i love absolutely everything other than where the radiator is and im skeptical on the hollow axle.

[N300exJ]

This machine is awesome. Ive finally found something to replace my crappy 450R......

[c450Razy]

Originally posted by 07250ex
cuz yfz's, ltr's, and Kfx-R's are better then the 450r

you say better but can you back that up ?
1. i belive honda is totally destroying everyone else in sales when it comes to 450s

2. The 450rs are still dominating in all the racing circits

3. and they are doing this on "outdated technology". as everyone likes to say

[c450Razy]

Originally posted by GE4x4
Where are you getting your weights from? The DS is 19lbs lighter then the all aluminum KFX450, 18lbs lighter then the 450er, and 23lbs lighter then the LTR. That is a lot. As far as the YFZ, well seen many that were weighed wet and they were over 390lbs. There is no way a YFZ has 40lbs of fluid, so it shows there number is just a selling point but far from accurate. It has 9% more power then the nearest 450 which is the KFX450 at 43HP at the crank. Now thats allmost 4hp, thus about 47hp for the DS. Well you add 4hp to any 450 and your going to feel it, yet the DS has it stock. Plus that engine has a lot of potential for much more. So you fiqure the KFX weighs 364lbs at 43hp has a power to weight of 1hp to every 8.47lbs. The DS450 at 345lbs and 47hp has a ratio of 1hp to every 7.34lbs. That over a 1lb difference and that is what it's all about. Power to weight.

But you also have to rember that the KFX has reverse, which is why there is such a big weight diff. The Kfx also has componets on it such as the bead locked rear wheel that help it tromedisly, but add weight.

[quad2xtreme]

Originally posted by GE4x4
Where are you getting your weights from? The DS is 19lbs lighter then the all aluminum KFX450, 18lbs lighter then the 450er, and 23lbs lighter then the LTR. That is a lot. As far as the YFZ, well seen many that were weighed wet and they were over 390lbs. There is no way a YFZ has 40lbs of fluid, so it shows there number is just a selling point but far from accurate. It has 9% more power then the nearest 450 which is the KFX450 at 43HP at the crank. Now thats allmost 4hp, thus about 47hp for the DS. Well you add 4hp to any 450 and your going to feel it, yet the DS has it stock. Plus that engine has a lot of potential for much more. So you fiqure the KFX weighs 364lbs at 43hp has a power to weight of 1hp to every 8.47lbs. The DS450 at 345lbs and 47hp has a ratio of 1hp to every 7.34lbs. That over a 1lb difference and that is what it's all about. Power to weight.

CanAm bragged for weeks about making the lightest quad...I thought it would be lighter than the 250r. In the end, they are 5 lbs lighter than the published dry weights...you can't assume CanAm put theirs on a scale either so who knows the true weight of this quad. I was looking for 5 lbs savings on the frame, 5 lbs on the front-end (that has to be replaced to run mx anyhow so back to chromoly), 5 lbs on the rear end. I was looking for at least a 335 lb quad. I am still disappointed and hopefully everyone can accept this since it is my disappointment and not anyone else's.

[07250ex]

Originally posted by c450Razy
you say better but can you back that up ?
1. i belive honda is totally destroying everyone else in sales when it comes to 450s

2. The 450rs are still dominating in all the racing circits

3. and they are doing this on "outdated technology". as everyone likes to say

yes i can
1. honda is the best seller in all catagories more hondas are sold then any other company because there bikes are cheaper and last long

2. its rider not the bike

3.the outdated technolagy does not follow through on the 450r, crf250r and crf450r and even the crf150r

now onto why the yfz is better: first off it has lower center of gravity,secondly its faster and the engine produces more power, 3rd the shocks are leaps and bounds better then the 450r's 4th much better stock tires, and lastly when i sat on a 450r it felt tipsy i feel that my 250ex is more stable than the thing

Those shocks on the Epic DS450 are HUGE

[c450Razy]

the honda is $100 cheaper than the YFZ, and you just said yourself that they last longer

I will agree to a certen degree that it is the rider but the quad has a good bit to do with it. And why is it that there on that bike? because eatier A, They feel this is the best bike for them, or B, the company they race for feels that that is the bike thats going to get them in the winner circle

And did you read the last thing you typed ? lol, Maybe part of the reason you dont understand me is because you "SAT" on one, and haver never actually owned one or even actually rode one.
And in that case how can you say things like "the shocks are leaps and bounds better then the 450r's " And you know this how? buy standing on one and bouncing up and down?

[07250ex]

actully ive riden both and im saying not only is the 450r tipsier it feels tipsy just by sitting on it

[z400rida44]

does anyone know when these things are going to reach the dealer floors?

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
yes i can
1. honda is the best seller in all catagories more hondas are sold then any other company because there bikes are cheaper and last long

2. its rider not the bike

3.the outdated technolagy does not follow through on the 450r, crf250r and crf450r and even the crf150r

now onto why the yfz is better: first off it has lower center of gravity,secondly its faster and the engine produces more power, 3rd the shocks are leaps and bounds better then the 450r's 4th much better stock tires, and lastly when i sat on a 450r it felt tipsy i feel that my 250ex is more stable than the thing

stop reading dirt wheels.....2ndly you ride a 250ex....and far as "out dated technoligy" come on now man...get with the program....the 450r is on the podium and is lead in points...sure is mighty funny honda to be out dated has won the GNC championship for the last 3 years in a row going on 4....

[07250ex]

i dont read dirtwheels i dont get any magazines its commen sence and knowladge upon how engines work and 1 reason might be that i know the honda riders like tim farr for example there for if he's known he must be talented i have no clue who races quad motocross for yamaha there for he must not be that good also i ride what i can afford lets not get onto that topic

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
now onto why the yfz is better: first off it has lower center of gravity,secondly its faster and the engine produces more power, 3rd the shocks are leaps and bounds better then the 450r's 4th much better stock tires, and lastly when i sat on a 450r it felt tipsy i feel that my 250ex is more stable than the thing


this sounds like a quote directly out of dirt wheels....and lmao how can you compare a 250ex with a automatic clutch, pushrod motor, and 2 valves to the high reving 4 valve unicam design of the 450r!!

[07250ex]

i have a clutch on my 250ex dont wanna burst ur bubble bud

[07250ex]

also uni means one meaning unicam is a fancy way to say OHC or SOHC

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
i dont read dirtwheels i dont get any magazines its commen sence and knowladge upon how engines work and 1 reason might be that i know the honda riders like tim farr for example there for if he's known he must be talented i have no clue who races quad motocross for yamaha there for he must not be that good also i ride what i can afford lets not get onto that topic


dude just beacuse youve sat on one dont mean nothing...let me tell you....a properly designed 4 valve set up is alot better then a piss poor 5 valve set up....you notice yamaha is the only one with the 5 valves....no one else....those valves are crammed in that head with little room


ive rode yfz 450's, ive rode my 450r, ive rode the lt-r450....the 450r, and the lt-r 450 are the best 2 bikes ive ever rode hands down....

[07250ex]

the extra valve allows smaller valves to be used so there is more pressure allowing faster travel i belive its exhaust that has 3 valves

[quadwanter]

250ex's are the SHIAT!

anyways, back on topic....i am not going to buy this machine....many things i dont like about it.....

[07250ex]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TCracin440ex
[B]dude just beacuse youve sat on one dont mean nothing...let me tell you....a properly designed 4 valve set up is alot better then a piss poor 5 valve set up....you notice yamaha is the only one with the 5 valves....no one else....those valves are crammed in that head with little room

and to use that against you hondas the only one to use the "unicam" hmm i wonder why every body else used DOHC

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
also uni means one meaning unicam is a fancy way to say OHC or SOHC

no i believe your wrong....the unicam was a better design then the SOHC....sorry man your fighting a loosing battle....you want to rip on honda when it sure is mighty funny that they are on top with their out dated technoligy...sorry junior i aint arguin with no kids today...come back when you own one of the 2 bikes and THEN you can tell me why ones better then the other....your the kind that probally sits on the yamaha site all day drooling over the yfz...when let me yell you...i wont impressed the first time i rode one...still dont really impress me to this day in stock form...

[TCracin440ex]

and to use that against you hondas the only one to use the "unicam" hmm i wonder why every body else used DOHC [/B]


because honda did their research and came up with that design...its lighter, it revs quicker, and for the last one....for those wanting to put an aftermarket cam in it...it dont cost 2x the price!!!....herese your sign!!

no ATV has impressed me in stock form....:rolleyes:

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
i have a clutch on my 250ex dont wanna burst ur bubble bud

its still a sintrifigul(sp) clutch set up...honda designed the manuel clutch for the 250ex to help beginners like you learn how to ride a quad with a clutch...

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by Honda86
no ATV has impressed me in stock form....:rolleyes:

well i was most impressed in stock form was my 450r, and the lt-r 450 i rode that only had a cherry bomb and the baffle taken out the pipe and it ripped.

[07250ex]

why am i loosing the battle why do you call me junior i could be 50 years old for all you know... if you havn't noticed modding a 450r is not even close to modding a yfz theres no comparison secondly 450rs dont rev quicker lol yfz's are known for their "2 stroke feel" ive ridden 2 strokes both quads and dirtbikes iv'e ridden yfz's you can feel quickness in it... im not saying the 450r is a horrible peice of junk im saying the yfz is a better quad

[07250ex]

uhhm its spelled *centrifugal* and im no beginner bud ive been riding and driving vehicles with a clutch since i was 9

[Ryan]

How long have been around to do all this testing :confused:



Birthday- June 10, 1993



:eek2:

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
why am i loosing the battle why do you call me junior i could be 50 years old for all you know... if you havn't noticed modding a 450r is not even close to modding a yfz theres no comparison secondly 450rs dont rev quicker lol yfz's are known for their "2 stroke feel" ive ridden 2 strokes both quads and dirtbikes iv'e ridden yfz's you can feel quickness in it... im not saying the 450r is a horrible peice of junk im saying the yfz is a better quad


some kids just wont learn....what do you mean modding a 450r, and modding a yfz there is no comparison?

[TCracin440ex]

oh my stars and stripes im arguing with a 14 year old kid that rides a 250ex!!! im more mature then this....you keep on posting that **** out of your *** while i sit back and laugh because you own neither quad to throw stones at!!

[07250ex]

well it seems like i know more then you guys for a 13 year old kid huh... when you get into modding the yfz pulls far ahead of the 450r and not only does it take more mods and cost more money to get it up to par with the modded yfz you just droped every ounce of reliabilty in the 450r that honda works and trys so hard for although no 450 is all that reliable and require high maintence because the engines are such high performance

[Ryan]

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
oh my stars and stripes im arguing with a 14 year old kid that rides a 250ex!!! im more mature then this....you keep on posting that **** out of your *** while i sit back and laugh because you own neither quad to throw stones at!!

13 yr old... June 10th didn't come yet..... :p


I've been sitting here reading all this crap and I can't help but laugh.

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by Ryan
13 yr old... June 10th didn't come yet..... :p

lmao your right


a 13year old knows more then us...im no mechanic, no genuis by far...2ndly if youve rode quads and dirt bikes with clutch why did you buy that "POWER HOUSE" of a quad your ridding now?

[07250ex]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ryan
[B]13 yr old... June 10th didn't come yet..... :p


im turning 14 .. count the years bud... and know i know why kids think adults are dumb

[07250ex]

because unlike you guys i can only make 7.50 and hour its not my fault i can't afford the best thing out there at least i ride

[Ryan]

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
lmao your right


a 13year old knows more then us...im no mechanic, no genuis by far...2ndly if youve rode quads and dirt bikes with clutch why did you buy that "POWER HOUSE" of a quad your ridding now?

LOL


250ex... Whos stupid??? Read more closely...

:p

Originally posted by Ryan
13 yr old... June 10th didn't come yet.....


originally posted by 07250ex
im turning 14 .. count the years bud... and know i know why kids think adults are dumb

=====


Thanks for the laugh... :D

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
well it seems like i know more then you guys for a 13 year old kid huh... when you get into modding the yfz pulls far ahead of the 450r and not only does it take more mods and cost more money to get it up to par with the modded yfz you just droped every ounce of reliabilty in the 450r that honda works and trys so hard for although no 450 is all that reliable and require high maintence because the engines are such high performance


ok these pro riders are ridding fully built RACE ENGINES and look which quad is on top HONDA!!!....one of the best pro riders rode yamaha for a long time and couldnt put him on the podium to save his life....Jermiah Jones rode a yamaha for a season, and you notice he left yamaha and jumped on suzuki, and smoked more *** on the z400 with a yoshi 450 kit in it then he did on the yamaha....so tell me i guess its the riders fault the quad kept breaking?? how many pro riders that were riding yamaha swapped off to the 450r when it came out i can name several, keith little was one of them

[c450Razy]

07 250ex man ,just stop your diging and diging....

[quadwanter]

Originally posted by 07250ex
because unlike you guys i can only make 7.50 and hour its not my fault i can't afford the best thing out there at least i ride


i worked my ***** for 7-8 months at $7 an hour and got my bike

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by quadwanter
i worked my ***** for 7-8 months at $7 an hour and got my bike

same same....im 20 years old and only made 8.35/hour and i some how managed to get me a 06 450r, and a 2000 model z71 with a 6 inch suspension lift, and 3 inch body

[N300exJ]

After riding both 450R and yfz450 in stock and modded form i can tell you there both junk in my eyes. They have a longggggg way to go towards making a better atv. My 450R breaks so much i hardly get to ride it. Thats why i bought a 400ex to ride around cause i know it will never let me down. Im hoping that the new can am ds450 will open up the eyes of the big four that people are tired of outdated, unreliable, heavy atvs.

and for the record pros dont give a crap if there stuff breaks every weekend cause they have sponsors that give them what ever they want when they need it.

Honda is going to be losing a crap load of pro riders this year and next. Honda isnt going to be at the top anymore unless they build something better soon. Im ditching my 450R cause im tired of fixing it more than riding it.

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by 07250ex
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ryan
[B]13 yr old... June 10th didn't come yet..... :p


im turning 14 .. count the years bud... and know i know why kids think adults are dumb

Your an idiot 07250ex.....you need to go back to your PS2 and let the people who actually know about quads do the talking.

First off, it doesnt matter what quad is faster or responds to mods better, the fatser one is the one with the better rider. Everyone knows this!!!!!!

Second of all, If you have indeed rode a YFZ, you would know that they dont have a "2-stroke" powerband, they do hit hard on the bottom, which 2-strokes dont do! The only thing that has a "2-stroke" powerband is a 2-STROKE!!!!!!!!

Kid, either get a clue about what your talking about, or get off of this site, your BS is makin it smell funny in here:uhoh:

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by N300exJ
After riding both 450R and yfz450 in stock and modded form i can tell you there both junk in my eyes. They have a longggggg way to go towards making a better atv. My 450R breaks so much i hardly get to ride it. Thats why i bought a 400ex to ride around cause i know it will never let me down. Im hoping that the new can am ds450 will open up the eyes of the big four that people are tired of outdated, unreliable, heavy atvs.

and for the record pros dont give a crap if there stuff breaks every weekend cause they have sponsors that give them what ever they want when they need it.

Honda is going to be losing a crap load of pro riders this year and next. Honda isnt going to be at the top anymore unless they build something better soon. Im ditching my 450R cause im tired of fixing it more than riding it.

sounds like you just got a flat out lemon 450r!

[N300exJ]

I cant even begin to tell you how many 450Rs and yfz450's i have seen with thrown rod bearings/crank bearings. These engines are complete junk once you mod them. They dont hold up at all.

I ride my 450R hard and fast like you should. Its completely setup for mx. which has cost me alot to do so as it is. I dont want to have to fix this thing everyother weekend to keep it going.

[elementryder]

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
ok these pro riders are ridding fully built RACE ENGINES and look which quad is on top HONDA!!!....one of the best pro riders rode yamaha for a long time and couldnt put him on the podium to save his life....Jermiah Jones rode a yamaha for a season, and you notice he left yamaha and jumped on suzuki, and smoked more *** on the z400 with a yoshi 450 kit in it then he did on the yamaha....so tell me i guess its the riders fault the quad kept breaking?? how many pro riders that were riding yamaha swapped off to the 450r when it came out i can name several, keith little was one of them

john natalie is another

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by N300exJ
I cant even begin to tell you how many 450Rs and yfz450's i have seen with thrown rod bearings/crank bearings. These engines are complete junk once you mod them. They dont hold up at all.

I ride my 450R hard and fast like you should. Its completely setup for mx. which has cost me alot to do so as it is. I dont want to have to fix this thing everyother weekend to keep it going.

have you rode the 06-07? ive never rode the 05 like you have, but i love my 06....ive done nothing to the motor but the HRC kit, K&n air filter, and white brothers carbon pro exhaust and i love it...still reliable as a stock bike but its got plenty of power to race it if i wanted 2

element your exactly right...the yamaha didnt do nothing for him, but the honda has done alot for him

[07250ex]

ok im done you guys are just as stubborn as girls and always end up winning

[LTR450_#67]

Don't forget Joe Byrd and Dustin Wimmer.....yes they rode Yamaha's too. Yes both early models of the Honda and Yamaha had crank problems but them bugs are now gone. My buddy with an 06 TRX tells me it doesn't have the torque his 05 had, but he does like his 06 more now that he add a HC piston and cam. I think the main reason guys switched quads was becuz of the handling characteristics......who knows.....


Aaron

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by LTR450_#67
Don't forget Joe Byrd and Dustin Wimmer.....yes they rode Yamaha's too. Yes both early models of the Honda and Yamaha had crank problems but them bugs are now gone. My buddy with an 06 TRX tells me it doesn't have the torque his 05 had, but he does like his 06 more now that he add a HC piston and cam. I think the main reason guys switched quads was becuz of the handling characteristics......who knows.....


Aaron

like i said i aint rode the 05 450r, but i was very impressed with the 06, i did notice it is geard tall, but i put a set of 18s on the back of it and its got torque out the ***...i actually dislike it alot because i have all this bottom, and no topend

[700bRad]

07250ex All I gotta say kid is your playing with fire right now so it would be smart if ya stopped bumping your gums before you get burnt.

[TCracin440ex]

700brad like i said hes just a dirt wheels reader...that mag is yamaha bias anyways

[07250ex]

Originally posted by 700bRad
07250ex All I gotta say kid is your playing with fire right now so it would be smart if ya stopped bumping your gums before you get burnt.
lmfao the was the funniest thing i've heard all day lol

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
lmfao the was the funniest thing i've heard all day lol

apparently you havent been reading what you were typing!!

[07250ex]

Originally posted by TCracin440ex
700brad like i said hes just a dirt wheels reader...that mag is yamaha bias anyways

TC i've never owned,read, or even seen a dirt wheels in person so dont call me that

[07250ex]

and i'd just like to add a small thing ... this a honda biased site hence
the url exriders.com

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by 07250ex
and i'd just like to add a small thing ... this a honda biased site hence
the url exriders.com


dude this site was EXriders.com as for the 400ex....then harlen swapped it over to ATVriders.com because alot of people on here no longer rode EX's...this site has been here for years...and has survived alot of "young know it alls" like you and far as a honda biased site...no...this is an ATV'er friendly site

i still type in exriders at the top...

[yamadjs08]

Both of you shut the fugg up, seriously... I can't believe I just read through all that crap hoping to read a post about the DS450, considering that the thread is supposed to be about the DS450. Not how old one or another is and whether the yfz is better than the 450r or not. Seriously just stop now, sometimes I wish I was a mod...

Now onto the DS450, whether or not you guys like it, it will do one thing and do it well and that is shake up the market. It will push all the other companies to make a better 450 which in the end is better for all. I personally can't wait for this quad to be released and it is the only new 450 I have been excited about, ever... It seems that Can-Am indeed did their homework and I hope that it pays off for them. Now for the issue of weight, although 345lbs is only 5lbs lighter than Yamaha and Honda 450 claimed weights, but perhaps Can-Am is telling the truth. What matters is the wet weight and I hope when the mags do a shootout they do a full ready to ride wet weight. I honestly do not believe that the yfz and 450r weigh 350lbs dry, because when they are weighed wet they seem to weigh in at 390-400lbs. Now a quart and a half of oil, 2.5 gallons of gas, and half a gallon of coolant surely doesn't weigh 40-50lbs... Hmm, something doesn't add up. Now if Can-Ams dry weight is actually what they claim, their wet weight should be something like 365lbs, give or take some. Which is quite a bit lighter than the competitions wet weight...

By the way, I agree with most, it is kinda ugly in stock form, but the epic racing version looks sick. But I think the stock form will grow on me...:o

[c450Razy]

Originally posted by yamadjs08
Both of you shut the fugg up, seriously... I can't believe I just read through all that crap hoping to read a post about the DS450, considering that the thread is supposed to be about the DS450. Not how old one or another is and whether the yfz is better than the 450r or not. Seriously just stop now, sometimes I wish I was a mod...

Now onto the DS450, whether or not you guys like it, it will do one thing and do it well and that is shake up the market. It will push all the other companies to make a better 450 which in the end is better for all. I personally can't wait for this quad to be released and it is the only new 450 I have been excited about, ever... It seems that Can-Am indeed did their homework and I hope that it pays off for them. Now for the issue of weight, although 345lbs is only 5lbs lighter than Yamaha and Honda 450 claimed weights, but perhaps Can-Am is telling the truth. What matters is the wet weight and I hope when the mags do a shootout they do a full ready to ride wet weight. I honestly do not believe that the yfz and 450r weigh 350lbs dry, because when they are weighed wet they seem to weigh in at 390-400lbs. Now a quart and a half of oil, 2.5 gallons of gas, and half a gallon of coolant surely doesn't weigh 40-50lbs... Hmm, something doesn't add up. Now if Can-Ams dry weight is actually what they claim, their wet weight should be something like 365lbs, give or take some. Which is quite a bit lighter than the competitions wet weight...

By the way, I agree with most, it is kinda ugly in stock form, but the epic racing version looks sick. But I think the stock form will grow on me...:o


Yea we know, you told us about 6 times now. lol

Originally posted by Honda86
i still type in exriders at the top...

Want a cookie?


I cant wait to see this thing in person. I wonder if there are any Can-Am dealers even around me:huh

[honda8&3]

Originally posted by TRUE
I hope that was a joke

didn't know u were so defensive round here:rolleyes:

[05Z400rdr]

my opinion:

i think this 450 and the last 450 produced look very ugly in stock trim. BUT, once tricked out, i think they both look sweeet! I like the fact that more companies are getting involved, and how they are looking to improve things and try new things, instead of just copying other companies, and making a bike that is basically the same. Plus, there is more 450's on the way. Thats another thing that I like about all of the comanies getting involved besides improvements, it gives the buyer a lot more to choose from in a 450....not just 4 bikes or w/e. can't wait to see the ktm!


Landon

nofear, im saying that alot of people still consider it a honda type website...i still look at it being majority of honda riders on here....no thanks on the cookie BTW

I am not that excited about the can am, but i guess we wont know how good it is until we all get a chance to ride one

[416exfreak]

Originally posted by yamadjs08


By the way, I agree with most, it is kinda ugly in stock form, but the epic racing version looks sick. But I think the stock form will grow on me...:o

Havent seen the Epic racing version...anyone got pics or a link?:confused:

EDIT: I just seen it.....and thats my FU#KING NUMBER!!!!!!!!:macho

[CannondaleRider]

I am amazed at how opinionated some people are.

If you have facts. Hard, proven facts, then I can see having a strong opinion......But when there are no facts, just opinions, and your unbelievably opinionated, it's just irritating, and stupid.

What's also irritating(And entertaining) is listening to people talk about things they know absolutely nothing about, and talk about it in a way that is "absolutely right". Especially when they have no direct experience whatsoever.

All of the 450's are good bikes, in their own way. All of the 450's have their positives, and all of the 450's have their negatives. Its mostly personal preference, brand loyalty, and the personal believe in the product(Which should be based on first hand experience, not a Yamaha paid magazine, lol.)


Personally, I will be going to a Can-Am DS450....as soon as possible. I don't care about adding unsprung weight from aftermarket suspension. I don't care that "It's only 5 pounds lighter then a YFZ"(Which, with common sense, you would realize is not true....Yamaha's claims are false) It is lighter. It has all the things I want in a WORCS race bike. The main thing....RELIABILITY. Yes, I have no way of proving that. BUT, I know how Can-Am builds a bike. I have much first hand experience with the DS650.....if the 450 is even in the same ballpark when it comes to reliability....nothing will touch it. Reliability is the most important thing in a WORCS or BITD race, especially at an Expert and Pro level. This bike, I believe, without a doubt, will be number 1 in that department.

Can't wait to see the Epic bikes in person, and how they do when Jeremy and Josh start racing them(Hopefully at the next Round, but I doubt it, being it won't be available to the public.) I also can't wait to see the full semi race rig that Jeremy and Josh will be in.

Mostly, I can't wait to get my hands on my own:macho

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
All of the 450's are good bikes, in their own way. All of the 450's have their positives, and all of the 450's have their negatives. Its mostly personal preference, brand loyalty, and the personal believe in the product(Which should be based on first hand experience, not a Yamaha paid magazine, lol.)


i dont know if your entire post was directed at me im assuming it wont, but i never said any of the 450s were complete junk...as a few others stated...ive rode the yfz 450, the 450r, and the lt-r 450...ive never rode the kawi 450 so i have no opinion of this bike...but the ltr and the 450r were what impressed me...i had actually looked into the zuki 450 when i bought my 450r, but i had read of some problems with the linkage mount breaking on the frame, and i had read of transmission problems...so i went with my 450r, plus i love honda that helped influence the decision somewhat....i know alot of people on here have yamahas, but they are not all yamaha hyped them up to be imo, hell no quad is the way the companys hype them up to be...no matter if its honda, yamaha, kawaski, ktm, suzuki, or can-am....these bikes are all good bikes...they all have their strong points and weak points...its a matter of preference(sp)....choose your weapon(quad) and ride

[CannondaleRider]

Nope, the first part was directed at the uneducated 250EX rider, who is biased to the extreme, without facts....only opinions.

[TCracin440ex]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
Nope, the first part was directed at the uneducated 250EX rider, who is biased to the extreme, without facts....only opinions.


completely understand!..i acutally laughed at this kid for 3 pages....

When the YFZ came out I thought it was a little ugly. Then the 450r came out it was uglier. Then the suzuki came out didn't think it could get any uglier than that but then kawi came out and woo ugly as hell but damn can-am takes the cake looks like some chines pos. I think the comps need to get some brains and realize people also want their quad to look good. Quads look like the ones in atv off road fury 3 now. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Gray33]

hey guys this quad is one ugly one, but in my opinion they took the yfz's head lights, 450-r stock bumber, and pretty much stole some ideas off the "Major" companys right now. I mean look at that new kawi 450r they took the name from honda 450r? Alot of new quads are taking ideas from ohter manufacturs and addin there own tweaks to it.
When do these can-am come availbe and how much will they be selling for. Does any one know how fast they go at stock i heard that 450r go 74-76 yfz go 73-75?
Personally, I think alot of pro riders wont switch over because HOnda,Yamaha,suski, will try to talk them into staying for a couple more years. But once the can am comes out and if people like it and it gets good reports then "some" who are not perswayed by the factory ride will switch over to can am.
Also, pro riders dont really care what the quad looks like stock because there sponsors and crew get a hold of it and "pimp" them out. I hope alot of people sell their 450r or yfz for this new quad so trail riders like me will get a buy...1

[BlasterEaten250]

The front plastic looks a little strange, but judging by the specs it sounds like it's gonna be a sweet quad.

[rollie]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider


Mostly, I can't wait to get my hands on my own:macho

I hope your keeping your dale too! i love that thing:cool:

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by rollie
I hope your keeping your dale too! i love that thing:cool:

Lol, yep, i'll be keeping the dale as a spare bike.

I'm so attached to it, even if I wanted to sell it, I couldn't get a third of the money I put into it.

[1965 honda]

Originally posted by Honda86
no ATV has impressed me in stock form....:rolleyes:

lt 500 and the 250r for the time they were awsome straight out of the box

[atvRiDa400ex]

that thing cant get any fuglier!!:o

[jcv400ex]

Originally posted by 1965 honda
lt 500 and the 250r for the time they were awsome straight out of the box

A 400ex beats a stock 250r in every test.......

the 250r wasnt that fast when it was 100% stock... Same with the banshee and zilla....no quad is impressive out of the box....but when your talking about 330rs, 420 shees and 530 zillas, then were talking :D