Steering Dampers

[4Wheels]

I gonna buy sterring damper, are they any different in qaulity and performance, if so what is best performing and durability.

Thanks:D

[AtvMxRider]

I would like to know also.

[RiPPiNiTuP7]

I'd go with the Denton Rebuildable.....

[4Wheels]

Bump

[Booch]

I just got the PEP. I have a couple of friends that all have the PEP, the only problem that any of them have had is the one kid tagged a tree the other day and bent his tie rod, but it also snapped the stabalizer right at the threads on it.

[86atc250r]

WER, Scotts, and GPR are generally considered "the best".

If you want a cheaper damper (all the above will cost over $300), I'd recommend the Denton rebuildable (bare aluminum body), Speed racing, Muscle, Graydon, etc - they're all the same damper.

The other telescopic style dampers (like the Denton) have some inherent problems - the older black Denton's had poor mount geometry and caused different damping left to right. PEPs run too close to the exhaust on a 400EX and have trouble blowing.

As far as WER vs Scotts vs GPR - I think the Scotts is the best damper made, however, on a Honda, I'd go with the WER, because I don't like the Scotts & GPR mount setup.

On a Cannondale, the Scotts RULES - if GPR offers the same mount setup, they'd be fine as well - althought the Scotts offers more adjustment.

GPR seems to have the best "warranty".

[Dave400ex]

I am gonna get the Denton Rebuildable. I think an awesome setup would be a Houser Stem, Wrist Rester, and a Denton Stabilizer.

[OutlawEX]

Originally posted by RiPPiNiTuP7
I'd go with the Denton Rebuildable.....

I agree

[Sparky416ex]

Ive heard denton and PEP are really good...denton has like 8 different click settings...i think:huh not sure

[Giz400ex]

I have the PEP and am very happy with it!! and I believe it only has 3 settings.

[forum]

pep has three setings and you have to take it apart to change the settings. the denton has 7 adjustments by just turning a nob. i would personally get the denton rebuilable. i have the pep rebuildable only because i traded for it. Im taking off the denton non rebuildable thats on my 400ex for the pep. Im gonna test um both. I am worried that i wont like the pep adjustments and not bother to adjust it. If money isn't the issue its all about the scotts and ones like it. To adjust on the fly would be sick!

[Pappy]

yeah....i wont have a quad without one ever again.

[forum]

man 400ex127
I really wanna try a cannondale sOOOOOOOOOOOOO BADD!
Can you beliave i have never seen one ever. And i show up to all the races around here. I don't no what people are thinking. If I wasn't doing the crf conversion Id have a Cdale forsure

[Pappy]

haha...well...they are fun...there is a ton of them here. ;)

[Dave400ex]

How do you like the Denton 400ex127?

[400exdad]

I've got a Denton, but its not the rebuildable one. I like being able to adjust the dampening effect. 7 different clicks.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
How do you like the Denton 400ex127?

i love it. the denton rebuildable is the exact same unit as the mr. muscle i hade on my 400ex. i just couldnt leave the quadsjop with out it:)

Originally posted by 400ex127


i just couldnt leave the quadsjop with out it:)

or a set of handlebars, and grips, and skids, and lunch, and shocks, a terrible image of marty, and god knows what else after I left...If had a for sale sign on my back i'd probably be living with kenny right now...:eek:

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Rico


or a set of handlebars, and grips, and skids, and lunch, and shocks, a terrible image of marty, and god knows what else after I left...If had a for sale sign on my back i'd probably be living with kenny right now...:eek:

hahaha....and you would be deer hunting today instead of working:huh :devil

[spincr4hire]

Originally posted by 400ex127


hahaha....and you would be deer hunting today instead of working:huh :devil

Rico works?...J/K :D
How do you get away with surfing so much at work, Rico?...I guess the same way I do...
:devil

[96300ex]

Rico- guess your lucky they put you in the classifieds instead of selling you at the quad shop:D

If had a for sale sign on my back i'd probably be living with kenny right now... May have easier to buy the whole place :D :devil

[Derek]

i know im a tard but what does a steering dampener do?

[Dave400ex]

Yeah I want to get the the Denton Rebuildable one. $160 from the Quadshop.

[Giz400ex]

As for the PEP, I never had to take the dampner apart to adjust it.:confused:

[400exdad]

Derek,

The dampener really helps in the woods. It keeps the bars from jerking left and right when you run over rocks, ruts, roots and trees. Both Denton's have an adjustment on the end to allow the bars to move easier or harder... think of it as faster or slower. Basically, its a tiny shock absorber for your steering. Once you have one, you'll wonder how you got along without it! And if you ride with it on the firmest or slowest all the time, you'll look like this----> :macho

[BadA$$440]

Originally posted by WarriorMan
Yeah I want to get the the Denton Rebuildable one. $160 from the Quadshop.

I got mine for 142 from Quad Shop.

[Dave400ex]

Really? Jeff told me $160. Well I am gonna call tomorrow so I will see what I can do.

[BadA$$440]

Ya, thats retail. I dont think thts wit the 5% EXriders disount

$140.00 , $160.00 and I know of a guy they quoted $170.00 hmmm I guess the cats out of the bag now:D

So everyone it looks like the quad shop has a special on the denton rebuild dampner for $140.00.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by 440EX4me
$140.00 , $160.00 and I know of a guy they quoted $170.00 hmmm I guess the cats out of the bag now:D

So everyone it looks like the quad shop has a special on the denton rebuild dampner for $140.00.

retail prices flucuate.....it may depend on their cost at the time of the price request. somewholesalers get prices froze for 30 days...others may go daily.

[Dave400ex]

Well I couldn`t get ahold of them today so I will be trying tomorrow.

[BrianWrightR6]

I love my PEP, I had a denton on my Banshee and this PEP is better IMO.

[kicken250x]

why u say ur PEP is better?

[BrianWrightR6]

It just feels better; also the design of the Denton on my banshee is poor. The way it mounted to the steering stem was awful, seemed like you could never keep it tight.

[kicken250x]

your the first person that i have ever heard sa that the denton sux. most people so the exact opposite. with the denton just put locktight on the bolts as ur good to go. or did u try that? i dont ever remember hearing some1 say the PEP is better then the denton.....***scratches head***:huh

[Dave400ex]

Got my Denton ordered today.

The Ohlins on the Moto is FANTABULOUS!!! It has high and low speed settings, and I can't believe how well it can be tuned to a riders liking; however, I imagine that it is expensive.

[86atc250r]

Yes, the "Ohlins" on the Cannondale's is great. It's really a Scotts damper with Ohilns labeling....

Yes, they are expensive - but not much more so than any of the other top of the line dampers like WER or GPR.

Unforutnately, the mounting setup for the Scotts/"Ohlins" for a 400EX sucks. Great for adjusting on the fly, but poor for performance and it locks you into certain handlebars and stock steering stem. It's also exposed in the event of a crash or for knocking your teeth out. Could also cost you a race if you bent the steering stem in a mild crash where you could have rode on with a different damper setup.

What I'd like to see is Scotts offer a Cannondale-like mount setup for the 400EX. I'm considering building one myself and replacing my WER on my race quad.

[dhines]

Gabe,

I've actually been emailing back and forth with Scott at Scotts about their mounting design. My biggest gripe with it is that it won't fit on a 400EX with the IMS extended tank - which just about everyone who races GNCC's or Hare Scrambles uses. I told him that the mounting position alone was probably costing him significant marketshare in the ATV market. He told me that he was going to try and make the time to come up with an alternate mounting position. It might be worthwhile for you to send an email along to them encouraging the same thing...

Also, I've been running a WER damper now for a couple of months and I just don't feel like its doing much for me. There just barely seems to be any damping force with it. I have it cranked all the way down and have even swapped out the fluid with 10 wt. oil and it still seems too soft. Am I missing something? Also, does the Scotts on your Cannondale give you more damping force?

Dennis

[86atc250r]

Yes, the Scotts on the Cannondale works great.

I'm with you on the WER. I just don't feel like it's doing what it should, especially for it's cost. Mine also took on an air bubble with only a few races under it's belt.

I'm going to give it one more chance. I just changed the oil to 15w40 - it's got much greater damping force now, still don't know if it will be progressive enough though. Seems to have too much low speed damping and not enough mid/high speed damping..

From the box it should have come with 20w, so the 10w you added, should have lightened it up (if they filled it with the correct oil initially).

Another nice thing about the Scotts is it has a high speed damping adjustment (which I haven't played with). It's also got "sweep" adjustments so it could be swapped onto a bike if you're into that sort of thing or ever decide to sell it.

I think it would be pretty easy to mount the Scotts just like the WER. I may shoot them an e-mail about it. Losing the ability to "adjust on the fly" is well worth the flexibility it gives you not having it mounted on the bars.

[Ex'r Marlin]

Great replys... Now, after a rough race, I need to make a decision!

I remember last year this time... Elka was thinking of making a steering dampner... I can not wait any longer... My arms are like Jello!!!:grr

[Dave400ex]

Yep I just got to ride on my Denton for the first time last weekend and it was a great investment. I couldn`t imagine riding a quad without one now.