What does a +1, +2 swingarm do for you?

[07HondaTRX450R]

What does getting a swingarm bigger than stock do for the suspension? Just wanting to know the advantages to it.

Also why does laeger offer a stock sized swingarm? Why would you want to replace your stocker with a stock sized aftermarket swingarm?

Thanks, and excuse my noob questions, they are probably dumb questions.

[DJR300ex]

a longer swingarm will make you stock rear shock really soft so you would need to revalve your shock or get an aftermarket one, but your front end wont come up as bad on hard launches.

the laeger swingarm is probably a lot stronger and lighter than the stock one and im pretty sure that most of the XC guys use stock size

[Glamis400ex]

Yes, it keeps the front end down by moving the motor more forward. I have a +4 on my Hybrid and I can still get the front end to come up quick...but it helps alot.

[07HondaTRX450R]

So how would I figure out which size swingarm to go with?

Ill basically be doing MX and TT plus flat track races.

NO XC

Oh and Ill be getting my shocks revalved and respringed by GT Thunder in about 2 weeks.

So Ill need a swingarm thatll work good with those.

[hawk-trx]

stay with the stock swinger. the mx guys like the swinger to be 1.5 inches longer on a 05 but on your 07 maybe only .75

on the other hand tt guys like the swinger shorter then stock, so if your doing both then stock is the compromise.

[#22blaster240]

I race tt with a stock swinger. Where are you going to be racing at in the central valley, I'm from atwater so I know of some good tracks.

[07HondaTRX450R]

Originally posted by #22blaster240
I race tt with a stock swinger. Where are you going to be racing at in the central valley, I'm from atwater so I know of some good tracks.
im going to the newman flat track to watch the 1st one then going to try and get in the rest.
if youre from atwater u must be at the newman flattrack huh?

[banshee84]

no one mentioned anything about traction and handling. a longer swingarm will have worse handling and less traction but if you have a high powered machine in the dunes your gonna need a longer swingarm to keep the bike's front end down. A shorter swingarm will have better handling and traction which is great on the dirt.

I am running a -2" swingarm on my banshee
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g137/broncogurl351/Other%20Quad%20Riding%20Pics/100_4159.jpg

A aftermarket swing arm is stronger but heavier than the stock swing arm which is made from aluminum.


Things a longer swing arm do
* tippier in turns
*stops front from coming up as easy
*more stable at high speeds
* makes your shock need to be valved stiffer
*weighs more than stock.


A-arms that are moved 1 inch forward move weight to the back of the quad making it easier to wheelie. A 1 inch longer swing arm moves the weight to the front making the front stay better planted. If your not having problems with the front end coming up then their is no reason to really by one.

[07HondaTRX450R]

ok so getting a longer swing arm for mx and tt is a big no no then? Cause of all the turns.

[banshee84]

Originally posted by 07HondaTRX450R
ok so getting a longer swing arm for mx and tt is a big no no then? Cause of all the turns.

exactly. if you drag race, dune with a high horsepower atv, or hill climb competitively then you might need one.

[deathman53]

I needed one on my atc250r, to keep the front end down. I got a +1 legnth, it still claws to the sky. It was needed to make it rideable with the motor I put in. I have a stock legnth swinger on my 88 trx250r, I would like a shorter one. I might get a 89 legnth that is 1/2 shorter. A longer swinger puts more weight on the front end, a shorter one puts more on the rear. If you are gonna get a set of a-arms, a +1 forward set will help the wheelie problem too. Also most are far heavier than the stock ones too. I forgot to add, a longer swingarm makes for a larger turning radias, makes turns slower and slower. Good for riding with sometimes, however bad for xc, mx guys might like it.

[54warrior]

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the fact that a shorter swingarm shortens the wheelbase and allows you to turn faster. There is a happy medium though and it sounds as though those numbers have been covered in the previous posts.

[07HondaTRX450R]

would a +1 swingarm HELP prevent roll over? or worsen it and why?

Originally posted by 07HondaTRX450R
would a +1 swingarm HELP prevent roll over? or worsen it and why?

Worse. Think of a buss turning fast and then a truck turning fast. Bus is longer so its going to be more tippy.

[parkers30]

Longer has no effect on side to side stability, the only change it would make regarding that it is that would not be able to turn as tight.

[banshee84]

Originally posted by 07HondaTRX450R
would a +1 swingarm HELP prevent roll over? or worsen it and why?

what you want to do is get an axle and a set of a-arms with shocks. It will make a huge difference. Then i will meet up with you at hollister and we can hunt some dirtbikes:D

[07HondaTRX450R]

Originally posted by banshee84
what you want to do is get an axle and a set of a-arms with shocks. It will make a huge difference. Then i will meet up with you at hollister and we can hunt some dirtbikes:D
sounds like a plan, ill probably be in hollister this weekend.

[banshee84]

i will be there friday and maybe saturday or sunday later in the day. If you see me say what's up. How many other atv are you going with?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g137/broncogurl351/Hollister%20Hills/100_4164.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g137/broncogurl351/Hollister%20Hills/100_4166.jpg

[07HondaTRX450R]

Going by myself, MAYBE with my g/f. Id like to go up friday night and stay the night but Ill probably just leave and get there early saturday.

If I make it youll find me at the ATV track with the 4 jumps.
White fox racing jersey. Probably wearing shoes instead of boots :D
Howelse would I know its you? Whats your helmet look like?
Mines a HJC I think

[banshee84]

Originally posted by 07HondaTRX450R
Going by myself, MAYBE with my g/f. Id like to go up friday night and stay the night but Ill probably just leave and get there early saturday.

If I make it youll find me at the ATV track with the 4 jumps.
White fox racing jersey. Probably wearing shoes instead of boots :D
Howelse would I know its you? Whats your helmet look like?
Mines a HJC I think

well there aren't many banshees out there let alone 2stroke atvs but I have a red helmet and might have my helmet cam on it. White alpine star boots. You will hear my bike screamin like a 2 stroke does. Red pants and jersey possible but i have so many. What color is your 450r?
-George

P.S i get off work at 3pm so i will be out at 4-430, right when it cools down, also I am 22 how old are you if you don't mind me asking

[07HondaTRX450R]

Are you staying the night? I might be out there friday night and like I said if not ill be out there early saturday and probably leave around 2 unless I got something going on there.
Im 26

[banshee84]

Originally posted by 07HondaTRX450R
Are you staying the night? I might be out there friday night and like I said if not ill be out there early saturday and probably leave around 2 unless I got something going on there.
Im 26

sorry man i don;t get off work till 3pm. Maybe next weekend?

[07HondaTRX450R]

Originally posted by banshee84
sorry man i don;t get off work till 3pm. Maybe next weekend?
possibly, I have to go to lake havasu in 3 weeks so I probably cant afford it in gas to go both weeks.
Are you guys staying the night there?

Theres a chance I MIGHT stay the night at the park.

[banshee84]

Originally posted by 07HondaTRX450R
possibly, I have to go to lake havasu in 3 weeks so I probably cant afford it in gas to go both weeks.
Are you guys staying the night there?

Theres a chance I MIGHT stay the night at the park.

no i am going friday afternoon till mayb 8pm and then saturday at 4pm till 8pm