Can-Am DS450...

[yamadjs08]

Check out the website, not a lot of info, but towards the end of the video you can see the ds450 from a few different angles, looks to be as promising as I hoped it would. I had a feeling Can-Am would show everybody whats up... Sound like it will be the lightest 450 and most powerfull...
Check it out...
http://can-amds450.com

EDIT: Here are some low res, small screenshots of the video...
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eh, itll be just like all the other 450s...This sport will eventually get to the point where there will be about 5 or 6 colors to pick from, all will be aluminum frame, EFI and a 450 motor... now the real question is do you want it in blue, red, green, yellow, or orange??

[trx400exxracer]

I agree! all are going in the same direction!

[LTR450_#67]

Haha reminds me of when the Predator came out, cuz they had a special website for that. They are only gonna be able to make a frame so light before they become weak....... I see they have the exhaust coming out the left side. The bottom frame rails are almost as close as the KFXs main box rail. Looks ugly too!

[400exrider989]

looks OK
only if stupid companies would realize how gay some of the new sport quads looked. like the kfx450 and the new ds450 they have that retarded chunky robot spaceship crap plastic looks.
like IMO the 250r and banshee look the best because they are just normal not all fancy ****, like the 450r and yfz are way better looking than compared to the kfx450 and new ds450 but the R and SHEE look the best PERIOD

[Ralph]

Im excited.

Im still in love with the kfx too.

Very true, the KFX and this new DS look like garbage, the old 250rs look so sweet, i lke the look of the LT 500s too, i think the yami looks the bets out of the 450s. and out of all 4 strokes i would say the 400ex looks the best, but the 250r had the best look ever

[One_Bad_400]

i dont see why everybody gets all offended and dont care when a new 450 quad comes out... to me... it mean #1 our sport is getting bigger and better #2 bikes are getting better and more compatition to be better #3 soon the bikes can come off the show room floor race ready like the dirt bikes

[gncc025]

Its a good sign that another brand 450 is coming out because it means the 450s are selling and that means quads are growing ,so its all good.

But i think its going to be pretty much the same thing as the other 450s. Personally i think all the 450s need to go up a level or two on the stock hp ratings as well.

i dont get offended, they are just getitng boring. Looks like by the way tings are going by 2010 there will be yamaha, honda, kawi, suzuki, polaris, KTM, ATK, and now can-am 450s....Yes it does mean it is growing but i think better growth would come from 250 race quads.

[450raider]

well my prediction is that the can am is gonna have all the bells and whistles and be impressive, but the drawback is probably gonna be that can am is going to want an insane msrp for it like them gas gas quads that everyone liked but nobody bought.

oh yeah, add gas gas to my list of 450s :D

[reconmaster]

great to see another 450 and that can am/brp is focusing on cutting weight down cause all there other sport quads are like busses for weight but the question is how good of quality will the frames will be
i doubt power will be an issue after all the renegade is insane

[Blue250X]

It'd be nice to see it with as much power as the bikes so maybe the rest of the Jap quads will want to step it up

[my88r]

its good to see these companies comeing out with 450s. gives people more factory rides

[pats2007450er]

i think the 450's look way better than the old out dated 250r.not saying there trash or any thing but if you like 2-stroke thats the way to go.some of the 450's are going to far with the shape of the plastics.some are starting to look like spaceships.have you seen the dinli 450.who would want that.yfz450,trx450r,ltr450,kfx450 look good but if you look at the predator,outlaw,dinli,ds,atk,cannondale,they took it to far.thats my opinion.how long do you think the 450's will stay on top.:D

the 450s will be on top for a while, itll just get to be like the bikes....each year they will improve just a tad so everyone goes out and spends another 6-7 K on their choosen 450. The only thing that will dethrne the 450s will be if they change the rules of racing. if they allow a 450 2 stroke to compete with 450 4 strokes it would all change, or even if they allowed a 300 or 350 2 stroke to compete with a 450 it would change, but that will never happen

[hsr]

Originally posted by Honda86
i dont get offended, they are just getitng boring. Looks like by the way tings are going by 2010 there will be yamaha, honda, kawi, suzuki, polaris, KTM, ATK, and now can-am 450s....Yes it does mean it is growing but i think better growth would come from 250 race quads.

I predict within the next 2 years or so at least three of the mfg's will have a 250f race quad...which will be very cool, hopefully they don't detune them, b/c a 250f bike rips.

[chad502ex]

good job to ATVRIDER covering the DS450 announcement.

I like that the bar is being raised on each model being released....

[Quad18star]

Told you guys this was comming. I think I mentioned it to someone in another topic this past week. This Canuck has some connections . :devil: :blah:

Someone asked what the body styling was gunna be like ..... take a look at the Renegade ... it's nowhere near anything else on the market ... expect the same from the new 450. Can-Am doesn't want to look like all the others ... they've shown that with their DS 650 with "floating" fenders , the 4x4s with "step through" seating and the Renegade .

As for the frame , just take a look at their Outlander chassis' ... nothing like any other ATV on the market ... expect something very similar on the new 450.

Suspension ... second to none!!!

450 power plant will have awesome power. Can-Am/Bombardier has a great reputation for performance engines . Their current ATVs pretty much rock their classes.

Can-Am wants to be top dog in the industry ... and they'll have every aspect covered once the 450 hits the showroom floor . Race quad , 4x4 , sport 4x4 , 2up .

Side by Side next ??? Word from the Grape Vine says that early in 2008 we'll see something rolling out . Something about a 650 and 800cc engines too . :cool: :D

[Ralph]

This quad is gonna help bring us to the next level.

Alot of people don't know but the big oem's, especially Honda, are extremely stuck up and are fine with selling the same old thing. Who wants to raise the bar when you're the one dominating already.

This is why it is so great to have companies like can-am coming into the sport. They want to prove themselves and the best way to do that is by putting out the best damn thing out there.

This thing will not suck.

The same thing goes for KTM. I CAN NOT WAIT for them to release their 450. Ive always been a fan of German engineering and thats as close as were gonna get for a while.

This sport will only continue to grow, and its new companies like ktm and can-am, even Kawasaki, that are gonna make all the other oem's upgrade their models too.

[my88r]

Originally posted by Ralph
This quad is gonna help bring us to the next level.

Alot of people don't know but the big oem's, especially Honda, are extremely stuck up and are fine with selling the same old thing. Who wants to raise the bar when you're the one dominating already.

This is why it is so great to have companies like can-am coming into the sport. They want to prove themselves and the best way to do that is by putting out the best damn thing out there.

This thing will not suck.

The same thing goes for KTM. I CAN NOT WAIT for them to release their 450. Ive always been a fan of German engineering and thats as close as were gonna get for a while.

This sport will only continue to grow, and its new companies like ktm and can-am, even Kawasaki, that are gonna make all the other oem's upgrade their models too.

the gas gas 300- and now the 450 are nice quads to i like the 300 2 storkes

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by Ralph
This quad is gonna help bring us to the next level.

Alot of people don't know but the big oem's, especially Honda, are extremely stuck up and are fine with selling the same old thing. Who wants to raise the bar when you're the one dominating already.

This is why it is so great to have companies like can-am coming into the sport. They want to prove themselves and the best way to do that is by putting out the best damn thing out there.

This thing will not suck.

The same thing goes for KTM. I CAN NOT WAIT for them to release their 450. Ive always been a fan of German engineering and thats as close as were gonna get for a while.

This sport will only continue to grow, and its new companies like ktm and can-am, even Kawasaki, that are gonna make all the other oem's upgrade their models too.

I agree .

Can-Am has always been known as a very competitive company. In the days with their motorcycles , it was " put out the best damn dirtbike , or we don't enter a race" . They proved dominent with their theory . Now they have the same thinking ... " put out the best damn quad , or we don't build one" . I LOVE IT .


You know what else I really like about Can-Am ?? Their products come standard with a 3 year warranty , when all others give you 6 months. This says a lot about how well they stand behind their product. Even if the new 450 doesn't have a 3 year warranty , let's hope that they provide something better than the old 6 months that the others are throwing out there.

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by Ralph
This quad is gonna help bring us to the next level.

Alot of people don't know but the big oem's, especially Honda, are extremely stuck up and are fine with selling the same old thing. Who wants to raise the bar when you're the one dominating already.


i find that comment a little funny because less then 10 years ago in 1999 honda changed the ATV industry releasing the new and hottest quad on the market the 400ex...


if it weren't for honda u'd all still be riding warriors and 300exs

if it werent for honda we all woudl be riding 300exs?? what about the banshee? LT 500? those quads still havnt been passed as far as potental power. I never thought the 400ex was the hottest thing, the banshee was the hottest new quad you could buy in 1999. The 250r was the hottest quad ever for a long long time and IMO it still is.

[yamadjs08]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i find that comment a little funny because less then 10 years ago in 1999 honda changed the ATV industry releasing the new and hottest quad on the market the 400ex...


if it weren't for honda u'd all still be riding warriors and 300exs Pfft, the real life saver is Polaris, I am actually one who hates Polaris, but please think back, if you were in the market then, Polaris was the only one in the 90's offering anything new. Although the Scrambler is hardly a sport quad and Polaris makes junk, at least they were feeding a dead market when no one else would. The 400ex had little to do with boosting the performance level of the ATV market, all Honda did was prove that the market was there and that if a new quad was released, people would buy it. So than everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. And not to sound like a fanboy, but I think Cannondale boosted the race/high performance quad market a lot, I can almost guarantee you that todays 450's wouldn't have came out if it wasn't for Cannondale, and if Cannondale wouldn't have done it, another smaller company like Can-Am or KTM would have, the big 4 just don't thrive to raise the bar, it takes little companies like so to raise the bar so the big companies can make something better. All in all it makes for a better machine from every brand...:cool:

[gncc025]

ive got to give my 2 cents on this one by saying I THINK the 400EX did bring everything to that next level with sells/popularity, handling, power, and it being a 4 stroke.
JUST MY OPINION>

[my88r]

Originally posted by yamadjs08
Pfft, the real life saver is Polaris, I am actually one who hates Polaris, but please think back, if you were in the market then, Polaris was the only one in the 90's offering anything new. Although the Scrambler is hardly a sport quad and Polaris makes junk, at least they were feeding a dead market when no one else would. Don't even try to say that Honda is the savior here... The 400ex had nothing to do with boosting the performance level of the ATV market, all Honda did was prove that the market was there and that if a new quad was released, people would buy it. So than everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. And not to sound like a fanboy, but Cannondale boosted this market a lot, I can almost guarantee you that todays 450's wouldn't have came out if it wasn't for Cannondale, and if Cannondale wouldn't have done it, another smaller company like Can-Am or KTM would have, the big 4 just don't thrive to raise the bar, it takes little companies like so to raise the bar so the big companies can make something better. All in all it makes for a better machine from every brand...:cool:

i hate polaris too and the 400exs are trouble to but through the 90s the aftermarket companies kept the market going. they didnt make new quads but you could almost buy everything new for a 250r.not intill 03 when suzuki came out with the z there was a afordable race quad. the c-dales where a nice quad but they where pricey

[yamadjs08]

Originally posted by gncc025
ive got to state my opinion on this one by saying I THINK the 400EX did bring everything to that next level with sells/popularity, handling, power, and it being a 4 stroke.
JUST MY OPINION> Good point, I definitely worded my post wrong, what I meant by performance was the 400ex wasn't the cause of bigger and better quads. The 400ex definitely sparked the market and proved that the market wanted more. I just meant that the 400ex was not the reinvention of the wheel is all, I read it too often and it finally got to me LOL. :scary: :cool:

[gncc025]

yeah man i understand what ur saying.

[Which 450?]

Originally posted by my88r
i hate polaris too and the 400exs are trouble to but through the 90s the aftermarket companies kept the market going. they didnt make new quads but you could almost buy everything new for a 250r.not intill 03 when suzuki came out with the z there was a afordable race quad. the c-dales where a nice quad but they where pricey

400ex's are trouble? It has to be one of the most reliable quads on the market, unless you go ****'in with it

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i find that comment a little funny because less then 10 years ago in 1999 honda changed the ATV industry releasing the new and hottest quad on the market the 400ex...


if it weren't for honda u'd all still be riding warriors and 300exs

Just like if it wasnt for Yamaha we would still be ridding 400ex's.

And if it wasn't for Kawasaki and possibly Can-Am we will be riding on steel frames forever.

The reason the new oem's are so important is cause all the big ones are in a big industry stale-mate. They all have pretty much equal products and no one needs to be innovative to keep up.

Look at Yamaha and Honda, too most outdated 450's but i'm sure they are crushing everyone else in sales. Only when the other oem's start tapping into their market will they have do something to keep up.

After Honda released the 400 did they ever upgrade it? And as great as it was people were still racing 18 year old 250'rs over it.

Blaster, banshees and warriors were unchanged for like 20 years.

What i'm saying is that Honda knows are the best. Even if their bike isn't the most advanced they still prob sell more than any others. Honda reputation for great engineering and excellent reliability is what drives the most sales.

Once yamaha saw honda dominating new sales with the 400ex they realized they needed to step it up too. Here comes the yfz450.

Its a cycle of catch up. And when no one else raises the bar no one has any reason to update their product which is exactly what happened to the 400ex. Same bike for like 7 seven years. No one was trying to compete.

Competition is key.

Look in the Dirt bike world. Its gotten way bigger and there are multiple oem's with competitive products. Notice how the Dirt bikes are updated like every year?

Just my .02

[pats2007450er]

the cannondale had nothing to do with the 450's coming out.the cannondale was not on top or on the podium.before the 450's came out the 400ex is all everyone seen not cannondale.to tell you the truth i still have never seen a cannondale.there's one person that live's in my county that had one but he sold it and bought a crf250.not trashing the cannondale but it's not the reason that the 450's are out.that's my opinion sorry if i offended anyone

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Honda86
if it werent for honda we all woudl be riding 300exs?? what about the banshee? LT 500? those quads still havnt been passed as far as potental power. I never thought the 400ex was the hottest thing, the banshee was the hottest new quad you could buy in 1999. The 250r was the hottest quad ever for a long long time and IMO it still is.

Wrong, as far as ive been told the 250r was the "crippled" of the 3 in their time. Kawasaki and Suzuki had stronger motors and seemed the more popular.

It took people a while to realize the importance of the 250r's excellent frame geometry.

I'm sure banshee and lt500 never really worried Honda. They handle just like they are built. Like crap. You ever work on a banshee? not fun.

Honda has never and probably will never try to build a bike to compete with the in the banshees market: Fast and Fun in a straight line, and only in a straight line.

[Which 450?]

Originally posted by Ralph
Wrong, as far as ive been told the 250r was the "crippled" of the 3 in their time. Kawasaki and Suzuki had stronger motors and seemed the more popular.

It took people a while to realize the importance of the 250r's excellent frame geometry.

I'm sure banshee and lt500 never really worried Honda. They handle just like they are built. Like crap. You ever work on a banshee? not fun.

Honda has never and probably will never try to build a bike to compete with the in the banshees market: Fast and Fun in a straight line, and only in a straight line.

WHHHAAAT? Kawasaki and suzuki's best year 250 were defintely not as good as hondas best year 250

[Ralph]

Originally posted by pats2007450er
the cannondale had nothing to do with the 450's coming out.the cannondale was not on top or on the podium.before the 450's came out the 400ex is all everyone seen not cannondale.to tell you the truth i still have never seen a cannondale.there's one person that live's in my county that had one but he sold it and bought a crf250.not trashing the cannondale but it's not the reason that the 450's are out.that's my opinion sorry if i offended anyone

Cannondale is a basket case. They tried to do things we wont see for another 5 years. From the aluminum frame, efi, and quality but expensive parts from the factory. They even prototyped things like carbon fiber axles and such. They were ahead of their time. And didn't have the muscles to pull that kind of a revolution.

Altough much smaller than the "Big 3", companies like can-am, ktm, and Kawasaki are still much more powefull, especially finanically, than cannondale to pull that kind of a move.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Which 450?
WHHHAAAT? Kawasaki and suzuki's best year 250 were defintely not as good as hondas best year 250

We know that know, but ive been told when it was released and in production, 20 years ago, it was the underdog because of its less powerfull engine. It took people a couple of years to realize how awesome the 250r was... as a CHASSY.

It was the best bike to spend $20,000 dollars worth of suspension, engine, and custom fabrication on. Look at what people had to do to them to get them to perform. Laeger T-Pin front ends, CR-500 link rear suspension, and power valve motors.

Not to mention, Half the time you saw a "250r" it was a custom frame. Modeled after the original.

The 250r, to date, is one of the best chassis, it had unmatched geometry at the time. But you cant say the same about the rest.

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So where are we now. Just about every manufacturer has modeled their frames after the 250r.

Whats next? Kawasaki modeling their 450 not after the 250r frame, but the superior frames that people replaced their 250r frames with. Laeger Narrow Frame's.

Which brings be back to my overall point stressing how new companies elevate our sport by raising the bar.

[Ralph]

I have Chem and Physics finals tomorrow that im supposed to be studying for. i got carried away so if u wanna tell me off or something you may have to wait while i slam my head against my desk until organic chemistry comes out.

[yamadjs08]

Originally posted by pats2007450er
the cannondale had nothing to do with the 450's coming out.the cannondale was not on top or on the podium.before the 450's came out the 400ex is all everyone seen not cannondale.to tell you the truth i still have never seen a cannondale.there's one person that live's in my county that had one but he sold it and bought a crf250.not trashing the cannondale but it's not the reason that the 450's are out.that's my opinion sorry if i offended anyone Cannondale was the first showing factory support since the 80's, factory rides, and was the first factory quad that was competetive against the $25k hybrid race quads, sure people raced 250r's, but pro class was hybrids and aftermarket frames. Cannondale showed that there was a market for the 450 class, that people would buy them and they would be competetive. Ralph is right, Cannondale got ahead of themselves financially, and I'm not trying to say they are the greatest thing since pb & j like the 400ex... :o But they shook up the market, got the big 4 wondering and had innovations that today's quads still don't have. I remember seeing a picture of 2 Kawasaki Tech guys, with Kawasaki shirts on and a clip board looking at a Cannondale and pointing. Wish I had the picture today, it was on Cannondales old motorsports website and they had a "Post your caption" for the picture, would be funny to post up in the KFX450r forum... Can-Am is similar in a way, just not as extreme, they are very innovative, offering something that no one else does. After this DS450, and KTM's 450, I believe it is only going to be an steep uphill climb from here...

[Ralph]

Originally posted by yamadjs08
Cannondale was the first showing factory support since the 80's, factory rides, and was the first factory quad that was competetive against the $25k hybrid race quads, sure people raced 250r's, but pro class was hybrids and aftermarket frames. Cannondale showed that there was a market for the 450 class, that people would buy them and they would be competetive. Ralph is right, Cannondale got ahead of themselves financially, and I'm not trying to say they are the greatest thing since pb & j like the 400ex... :o But they shook up the market, got the big 4 wondering and had innovations that today's quads still don't have. I remember seeing a picture of 2 Kawasaki Tech guys, with Kawasaki shirts on and a clip board looking at a Cannondale and pointing. Wish I had the picture today, it was on Cannondales old motorsports website and they had a "Post your caption" for the picture, would be funny to post up in the KFX450r forum... Can-Am is similar in a way, just not as extreme, they are very innovative, offering something that no one else does. After this DS450, and KTM's 450, I believe it is only going to be an steep uphill climb from here...

Cannondale was really something special. I remember reading an article about them in (I THINK) Time magazine . The article was about their state of the art networking system. This allowed them to make adjustments to the production on the fly where others would wait weeks.

The problem is that kind of technology doesn't come cheap.

They also had several molds for different fender styles which were never used. I cant remember exactly how much each machine cost but i think it was something like 500,000 a pop.

They had too much money pumped in and couldn't recuperate their loses.

[Ralph]

ANYWHO. I have taken this thread so far off topic its not even funny. Lets talk more about the ds450.

From the looks of it, the ds450 has a very narrow frame.

This is a stretch but it looks like it has 3 indicator lights. This could possibly mean it has reverse. I doubt it tough because they are trying to make the lightest.

(Neutral indicator) (Temperature) (??????)

Looks like it has aluminum fat bar style handlebars as well.

[Dale512]

Looks like it has an SST-Style Frame with a somewhat narrow front-end like the Kawasaki. Looks like it is fairly wide and has some serious travel in the front, can't tell if it has rezzy's on the front or not, and looks like standard cheap steel handlebars, and doesn't really look like it is over stylized like some of you people are saying, but I could be wrong. Also left-side exhaust and looks like it might have half decent stock tires.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Dale512
and looks like standard cheap steel handlebars, a

The handlebars look alot better than everyone's except kawasaki.

[Dale512]

Why because you can see the middle through the clamp? You could be right, but I think there just basic steel bars. BTW Yamaha has Pro Taper Fatbars standard on the YFZ.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Dale512
Why because you can see the middle through the clamp? You could be right, but I think there just basic steel bars. BTW Yamaha has Pro Taper Fatbars standard on the YFZ.

i forgot about them.

I think they are aluminum because it looks like an anodized finish.

I just went through the video again and its got rezzys and im almost positive its a narrow frame.

[pats2007450er]

the third light might be low fuel

[Ralph]

Im also wondering if it will be e-start....:confused:

[my88r]

im sure it does i dont knoe about but kickstarting a 4 storke sucks

If it's efi, the third light could be low fuel.

[Ralph]

Originally posted by my88r
im sure it does i dont knoe about but kickstarting a 4 storke sucks

I dont mind kicking a 450r at all. Usualy only takes one or two kicks and ur set to go. Like it more than dealing with dead/low batteries.

[DVXchic]

I work at a factory that makes parts for Can AM, and lets just say lightweight aluminum, thats ll i got for ya.

[54warrior]

Looks like we find out in about 8 hours or so!!!

[pats2007450er]

man i just got done riding the ds450 man this thing is fast.we clocked it at 92MPH.it has stadium shocks and runs on 193 octane.J/K:D :blah:

[stalefish_132]

you can bet that the can am 450 will be differant than anyother 450 out there as far as frame design (to a certain point), engine and suspension. just take a look at what they did with there snowmobiles and the new REV XP plat form. they droped 50lbs off the sled for '08. can am has some smart people working for themas far as their snowmobiles go and i doubt that the engineers that designed the DS450 are any differant. gotta love the made in canada sticker that will be on it ;)

[JMann2380]

Info about the frame is up... http://can-amds450.com/

[One_Bad_400]

nice vid... sounds like its going to9 be real nice... wierd frame though

[Which 450?]

hmm.... replaceable frame parts?

[toady]

I might be wrong but in the pics posted on page 1 it seems like there is hardly anything on the bars like lights/starter/on-off etc... I wonder if that theme is carried on the whole bike?Also in the pic of it sliding around a turn it seems to sit rather high but if I don't think can-am would make a bike to have a really high cog.Another thing is it seems to have pretty decent stock skid plates from the view from underneath..just my $.02

[54warrior]

Originally posted by Which 450?
hmm.... replaceable frame parts?


Looks like that's the case, but you will need a special tool to remove/install those hi-tech lock bolt gizmo's.