440 Build...Just a few questions

[Honda6sv]

Alrighty...well, Title says it all...and Im sure there has been a billion of these on here. But, Im in the proccess of getting the stuff I need, rounded up for the job. I work at a dealership so i get everything at a decent discount. The materials list is:

Wiseco 440 big bore piston, 11:1

L.A. Sleeve 88mm chrome-moly steel sleeve

The top end gasket kit (I cant remeber the brand..WHOOOOPS!
:rolleyes: )

Stage 3 hot cam (or stage 2...depending i guess)

Heavy Duty Valve spring (again cant remember the brand...)

I guess the questions are, will the starter push a 12.5:1 440 piston If I got that instead? Is it neccessary to get those heavy duty valve springs? And what do you think it would cost to get the cylinder sleeve pressed out and the new LA Sleeve pushed in?

PS on top of that i just bought an edelbrock to go with the 440 kit. Should run pretty decent I think. Lets hear what you got to say boys!:cool:

[sparks440]

it got the stage 2 cam with that.. i dont have the heavy duty springs on mine nd i had to readjust mine a few times cuz they keep coming loose. so i would say get them. nd i dont have the 440 eldebrock carb but once u get that qwuad done tell me how the edlebrock carb is cuz i wanna get it..

[Ruby Soho]

stage 3 cam gives good gains.

if you go with the 440 get the GT thunder HD studs. the stock studs will pull out and loosen up causing a blown head gasket.

make sure the gaskets are good. Cometic is good, but make sure you get the MLS head gasket (multi layer steel) or the OEM head gasket.

[400exMO]

Have fun tuning that Edelbrock. I haven't heard anyone praising that carb.

[Dill]

me either. FCR all the way. Had a buddy that put an Edelbrock on his Z400. A month later it had an FCR on it.

[gregrob]

make sure the gaskets are good. Cometic is good, but make sure you get the MLS head gasket (multi layer steel) or the OEM head gasket. [/B]

Studs aren't required according to Colby. Just need to torque the stock studs a little tighter with a 440 kit.

[Honda6sv]

Ive got a lot of the parts I need in. I did get the cometic gaskets, I also got basically new everything. New valves, seats, springs, gaskets. Also like I said I got the stage 3 cam, 440 (11:1) piston, L.A. Sleave cast iron sleeve which I hope to get nicasilled *spelling*. I took the jug, new sleeve, and piston to the machine shop today to get that sorted out. Im looking around but I think I got a guy that does head work for the local Honda dealership to do the work on mine. I guess with that edelbrock..I havent heard anything bad..Mostly everything has been good. I mean...the one i have is set up from the factory for a 440. You just have to tune it to fit what you have on top of that. I guess I dont see it as being to difficult. Maybe the ppl you guys have heard about cant tune a carb? Or an edelbrock? I guess I dont see the problem..oh well. Ill get some pics up soon.

PS Thanks for the help/info guys!

[Ruby Soho]

Originally posted by gregrob
Studs aren't required according to Colby. Just need to torque the stock studs a little tighter with a 440 kit.

i would rather be safe than sorry. i bought my 440 with 2 hours on it. broke it in properly and got a blown head gasket. i had stock studs. if i were you i would get them. but do whatever you feel is good.

[F-16Guy]

I second that. HD studs are a must.

[gregrob]

I guess Colby still doesn't know what he's talking about after the thousands of EX engines he's built.

[gregrob]

I guess Colby still doesn't know what he's talking about after the thousands of EX engines he's built.

[Ruby Soho]

Originally posted by gregrob
I guess Colby still doesn't know what he's talking about after the thousands of EX engines he's built.

Im giving my opinion through experience. Go with the stock studs.. but many people agree that they do pull out.

So maybe youll be lucky and have them stay tight, maybe not.

[gregrob]

I understand.
and I agree, it's not a bad idea to go with studs on a 440, or any high comp build for that matter.

I probably definitely would if I were going 12.5:1, but for 11:1 I would just torque them at 41-42ft lbs.

JMO

[Honda6sv]

Ill see what happends with the stockers. I guess I havent seen any com[any, even wiseco stress that you need HD studs. This is really the first time ive heard about it..Ive also heard go with hardened rockers...but ive also heard dont because the hardened rockers will be harder then the cam and wear out the cam...I guess I'll just test my luck here. If anything I can always replace some stuff...EVERYTHING is fixable. :D

[F-16Guy]

Head studs are a crap shoot, but do you really want to tear it apart twice and wait on machine work twice? If you don't do the studs, you MIGHT be okay. If you do do the studs, you won't have to worry about it. It's $100 very well spent.

[Honda6sv]

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[F-16Guy]

Originally posted by Honda6sv
Ill see what happends with the stockers. I guess I havent seen any com[any, even wiseco stress that you need HD studs. This is really the first time ive heard about it..Ive also heard go with hardened rockers...but ive also heard dont because the hardened rockers will be harder then the cam and wear out the cam...I guess I'll just test my luck here. If anything I can always replace some stuff...EVERYTHING is fixable. :D
Do a search for HD head studs on here and see how many people have problems. It's not necessarily the studs, but roll-forming the threads that makes the difference. Roll forming creates new threads by compressing the aluminum instead of cutting it away, creating a more dense material for the studs to screw into.
As for hard facing the rockers, you do that with hard welded cams so that the materials match. Drop-in billet cams are similar to oem material, and are typically less radical in terms of lift and duration, so they are compatible with the oem rockers.

[Honda6sv]

Ill look into them. I get what your saying about the difference from being compressed verses cut away. Do you have a link to a set I can buy? There not that hard to replace. Its been awhile since Ive had an engine apart...whats the best method of removing those oem studs? And BTW, How much power would you guess ill be making after all of this? Comparable to bone stock 450 by chance? I guess I have no clue. Thanx again and lets see that link! :cool:

[togup]

If you keep the stockers keep this in mind if they pull out you cant fix it, price a used jug on ebay 250-300 my GT Thunder bolts were 89.00 , Im tight with my money I understand how you feel but its a good deal when you consider the gamble your taking. By the way Im running 11.1 440 on 93 octane 1year no problems knock on wood!