660 or 700?

[fatazzwarrior]

My local dealer has a used but VERY clean 04 660 for $3700. Thats almost half the price of a new 700. I'm getting one of them. Is the 700 really worth the extra $3200 + ? I haven't ridden a 660 before, but have limited seat time on a 700 and know its awesome. Any help with my decision would be appriciated. Thanks, Jim

[250r4life]

depends on what youre using it for and what you value

[250r4life]

a lot more info... type of riding, what is most important, your riding experience... cash flow...

[fatazzwarrior]

I ride mostly trails. I might do a little motocrossing, but nothing real serious. I have been riding motorcycles, dirt bikes, atvs, and snowmobiles all my life (I'm 34). Budget is a concern, but I can get the 700. I just don't want to throw the money away if its not really that much better. Oh, and remember I am used to riding a warrior with extended axle and a arms, pipe and jet.... bunch of little stuff. But that will be my true comparison.

[firefighterjosh]

I would ride it and that will make you mind up;)

[250r4life]

the 660 is a great bike... it is what it is... its not going to be as fast as the 700 and not going to have that top end of the 700, but if youre not drag racing who cares...

the 660 has more than enough power and is a great trail riding bike, or great duner (with the exception of racing the hill)...

at half the price...? only you can decide...

i am going to get a raptor as an additional bike, to ride when i get tired or also so i can take less experienced riders with me... its an easy bike to ride... i will be getting the 660... since i wont be racing it, there is no sense to me in spending that much more on the 700, not to mention i dont like the whole FI thing...

[LotusPosition]

Just as a FYI, leftover 06 700's can be had for $5495.

[sfdnash]

Originally posted by LotusPosition
Just as a FYI, leftover 06 700's can be had for $5495.
You referring to the post on Raptor forum or do you have another source? Anything like that in the Washington state area? Haven't come across any here yet.

[LotusPosition]

Was referring to the Raptorforum post.

I paid $6091 16 months ago, you just have to find the good deals that are out there.

[brad7131]

A friend of mine got his '06 700R SE (the yellow and black), for $5200 otd from the Yamaha dealer here in town as a left over back in December.. I think it was a demo or something, because it had a few scratches, but you couldn't even tell unless you're right next to it...

[440_Turtle]

i just did over a 660 and im go GLAD, the 700 is so much more of a rider friendly bike, the power is great and the suspension with some tuning can be dialed right in! Dont be a fool, step up to the plate. If you get the 660 you'll wish you got the 700 if you ever ride one.

[Flynbryan19]

The 660's are very poorly setup from the factory. Too low in the rear, too narrow,and too short. It is a very ill handling quad. I had one and got rid of it with the quickness. The 700's are much wider and handle much better than the 660.

[fatazzwarrior]

So I did it, stepped up. Picking up an 07 GYTR 700 in the morning. Going riding with a bunch of friends tommorow. Can't wait to ride it!!!

[QUADMASTER]

I would have went with the 660.To late though.Good luck with the 700.Hope you like it dude.

[fatazzwarrior]

Yeah, my wallet agrees with you, but the 700 is so awesome. Haven't even opened it up yet, still breaking it in.

[Mean250r]

very nice man, i would of went with the 660 as well but the 700's are still reallyyy nice.

[NC_700R]

I own both a 660 and 700 and believe me when i say you made the right decesion. :D

[Pack]

The 700 was easily the best choice out of the two. The 660 is so, tip-easy. It's horrible. That, alone, would cause me to never own one.

A friend of mine has one of each, and I've only seen him on his 660 once, since he's got the 700. And his girlfriend was on his 700 at the time. lol

So, yeah, that's my opinion.

[mikeypaines89]

if u buy the 660, i would use that extra money for parts, and make it just as quick as the 700, but the 660 has had more problems than the 700

[firefighterjosh]

Originally posted by mikeypaines89
if u buy the 660, i would use that extra money for parts, and make it just as quick as the 700, but the 660 has had more problems than the 700

Your gunna need to save alot to make it as quick as the 700.

[mikeypaines89]

not so much as to keep up with a stock 700

[firefighterjosh]

Originally posted by mikeypaines89
not so much as to keep up with a stock 700

Have you rode a 700 yet? It far more superior IMO.

I say your more money ahead buying a 700 and leaving it stock rather then buying a 660 and modifing it.

.02

[mikeypaines89]

yea, i have a 700, he could prolly spend maybe around $2000 and get a sick *** quad. i mean nuthin against the 700, cuz i love it.

[yAmAhA-rIdEr155]

tht 660 isnt as great as tha 700, the 700 has some great feature, more cc's, fuel injection, the fuel injection is a feature u would love, 700 is tha way to go

[03raptor660r]

I would have went with the 660 as well, a arms and a wider axle can be had for way less then buying a 700 if you are worried about it being tippy. I never considered mine to be tippry when it was stock width, atleast not any more than any other wheeler I've ridden.

As for displacement, the 700 is only a 686, its not that much bigger. And the FI is nice, until something goes wrong with it!

my $.02

i will take efi over a carb any day let alone 2 carbs

[yAmAhA-rIdEr155]

700

[Rap660]

The only reason I chose my 660 instead of a brand new 700 is because of experience. This was my first atv so I was not buying a brand new quad to flip it (like I did the 660 first time out) and then be sick because its wrecked and now it looks like crap. I am very happy with my 660. And one day I will step up to a 700.

[Rptr660rkills]

yeh not like it matters now but just to clear a few things up, the 660 is faster than the 700, or 686 i mean. the 700 is geared lower than the 660 for more torque, not to mention the 660 revs to 9 grand while the 700 only reaches a pathetic 6800. an the whole tipsy thing, if you know how to ride than its not a problem i've never flipped mine an never will. peace

[250r4life]

Originally posted by Rptr660rkills
yeh not like it matters now but just to clear a few things up, the 660 is faster than the 700, or 686 i mean. the 700 is geared lower than the 660 for more torque, not to mention the 660 revs to 9 grand while the 700 only reaches a pathetic 6800. an the whole tipsy thing, if you know how to ride than its not a problem i've never flipped mine an never will. peace

after reading this and several other of your posts, and after some careful consideration, i think you may be the dumbest person on these boards...

[raptor brothers]

Originally posted by 250r4life
after reading this and several other of your posts, and after some careful consideration, i think you may be the dumbest person on these boards...
I didn't think I would ever agree with 250r4life, but I second that.The 660 & the 700 are like night & day.700 all the way!

[laplap]

Originally posted by 250r4life
after reading this and several other of your posts, and after some careful consideration, i think you may be the dumbest person on these boards... and true :D

[Rptr660rkills]

o really instead of talking out of your asses start laying down facts instead of oppinions. tell me the rev, tell me the gear ratio, and tell me what makes the 700 better, n n nbvf4g5

[250r4life]

your claim is so ridiculous that it doesnt merit a response...

i have not one, but two raptor 660's, and i'll tell ya they dont hold a candle to the 700... not even a race...

[250r4life]

just took a gander at your myspace page...

why am i not surprised? :devil:


ROTFLMAO

[250r4life]

im taken back a few years to the movie "Twins"... there is a part where the Dr. is talking to Devito, and dealing with 660kills reminded me of it...

he says something along the lines of "i dont have the time to explain, and you dont have the brain capacity to understand..."

[raptor brothers]

Rptr660kills,I don't even know were to start.Instead of book # & sh@#.Here's what I've found out.I had a 05 660 for two years that I put hundereds of hours on.My two brothers have a 05 660 & 04 yfz450.I'll stick with your claim that the 660 is faster than a 700.We have a 1/4 mile dirt drag strip at my dads farm.I know 2504life will hate this statement,but I rarely get beat by my yfz450 brother & he is 60 pounds lighter.As for my 660 brother I have never lost & win by 4 or more quad lengths every time.He is only 10 pounds more than me & when we switch quads,the 700 still wins every time.I'm not knocking the 660(I think it's a great machine)it had it's time on top & now it's time for the new top dog.

[250r4life]

Originally posted by raptor brothers
Rptr660kills,I don't even know were to start.Instead of book # & sh@#.Here's what I've found out.I had a 05 660 for two years that I put hundereds of hours on.My two brothers have a 05 660 & 04 yfz450.I'll stick with your claim that the 660 is faster than a 700.We have a 1/4 mile dirt drag strip at my dads farm.I know 2504life will hate this statement,but I rarely get beat by my yfz450 brother & he is 60 pounds lighter.As for my 660 brother I have never lost & win by 4 or more quad lengths every time.He is only 10 pounds more than me & when we switch quads,the 700 still wins every time.I'm not knocking the 660(I think it's a great machine)it had it's time on top & now it's time for the new top dog.

i dont hate that statement... doesnt bother me at all...
im sure your raptor vs the 04-05 YFZs are pretty good races... and your weight isnt going to be near the handicapt on that raptor 700 as it would be on say a 450... im not saying its not a handicapt, just not as much so...

but if you were to tell me that a raptor 700 with bolt ons is quicker than a 06 YFZ with bolt ons, i would have an argument for ya... by no means am i saying the 700 is slow, and im not saying it isnt a race, but i will say the YFZ is faster...

however, against a raptor 660 with bolt ons, i have time to change my oil, clean my filter, wash my bike, and still catch it before we reach the top of the hill...

[Rptr660rkills]

250r, are you saying mod for mod a 700 will beat a 660, or a modded 660 vs a stock 700. all you would have to do the the raptor is just get a 11.1 comp. piston, an exhaust and an air box mod, then who do you think will win, it would be a good race.

[250r4life]

Originally posted by Rptr660rkills
it would be a good race.

you make no sense... a day or two ago youre saying the raptor 660 will out run the 700... now youre saying that after you put in a piston, exhaust, and intake, it would be a good race...

you just write stuff for the sake of writing it...

if you take the baffle out of the 700 and put a filter on it, it would take quite a bit for the 660 to run with it... it would take more than exhaust, intake, and a 11:1 piston...

[raptor brothers]

250r & Rptr660r,I plan on installing the Trinity 734 kit next year sometime.I feel it should be untouchable then.Have you guys come across anyone with the 734 installed?What did you think of it?Trinity,is claiming something like 70hp.

[cjkranz]

I've seen several of the 7?? kits and they generally run very good. I assume you want to drag race only with it? Also on the 660 they claim that much over a 686 and the reliability goes way down. On the 700 much over a 727 kit and reliability goes down quickly..

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by 250r4life
you make no sense... a day or two ago youre saying the raptor 660 will out run the 700... now youre saying that after you put in a piston, exhaust, and intake, it would be a good race...

you just write stuff for the sake of writing it...

if you take the baffle out of the 700 and put a filter on it, it would take quite a bit for the 660 to run with it... it would take more than exhaust, intake, and a 11:1 piston...

So now you're saying that the 660 is so slow that a 660R with aftermarket pipe, airfilter, and mid-compression piston will still get spanked by an essentially stock 700R?

How much more? You're throwing out all kinds of relative terms, let's nail this down. How much power do you think a 660 has to make to beat a "free modded" 700R in a drag race? If you don't have a hp figure in mind, what modifications would it take? Would the addition of a cam to the earlier list do the job? Porting?

I wouldn't suggest using your white bros piped raptor as a measuring stick. The white bros is mediocre on it's very best day.

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by raptor brothers
250r & Rptr660r,I plan on installing the Trinity 734 kit next year sometime.I feel it should be untouchable then.Have you guys come across anyone with the 734 installed?What did you think of it?Trinity,is claiming something like 70hp.

Trinity is falling far short of it's hp claims like they've always done on the four stroke side of things.

There are easily a half dozen shops out there that could build you a better bike.

[250r4life]

Originally posted by MadDog56

I wouldn't suggest using your white bros piped raptor as a measuring stick. The white bros is mediocre on it's very best day.

i've actually never had either of my raptors in the sand... so no, im not using it as a measuring stick..

however, im my dune group there are 3 raptors with yoshi pipes, one with GYTR, another with the Rossier, another with the white brothers pipe that has the discs at the end (mine is the comp one or whatever it is called), and another with a modified FMF...

there may be more, but i've ridden all kinds of raptors with all kinds of different pipes...

[250r4life]

Originally posted by MadDog56
So now you're saying that the 660 is so slow that a 660R with aftermarket pipe, airfilter, and mid-compression piston will still get spanked by an essentially stock 700R?

How much more? You're throwing out all kinds of relative terms, let's nail this down. How much power do you think a 660 has to make to beat a "free modded" 700R in a drag race? If you don't have a hp figure in mind, what modifications would it take? Would the addition of a cam to the earlier list do the job? Porting?



yes- the 660 is slow compared to the 700...

its hard to pin down exactly what it would take to make one run with the other... that would take more experience and testing than what i have done...

most people i know have done a big jump at once, not little by little... my buddies have usually taken it from a stock engine, to a 686 with port, polish, piston, cams, etc... and their bikes would walk away form a piped and filtered 700...

like i said, its hard to judge... but you would be surprised how well a raptor 700 or YFZ runs with the baffle out, pro design with the lid off, and correct air fuel ratio runs...

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by 250r4life
yes- the 660 is slow compared to the 700...

its hard to pin down exactly what it would take to make one run with the other... that would take more experience and testing than what i have done...

most people i know have done a big jump at once, not little by little... my buddies have usually taken it from a stock engine, to a 686 with port, polish, piston, cams, etc... and their bikes would walk away form a piped and filtered 700...

like i said, its hard to judge... but you would be surprised how well a raptor 700 or YFZ runs with the baffle out, pro design with the lid off, and correct air fuel ratio runs...

I agree that the 700R is much faster in stock trim than a 660R and while hp numbers aren't too far off with bolt ons combining that with the extra torque of the 700R convincinly beats bolt on 660Rs. IMO a 400ex could be called slow in comparison with a 660R, it's not my opinion that the straight line power difference between a 660R and 700R is that pronounced.

I've ran with stock and bolt on 700R's along with various stages of YFZ builds from stock to high compression larger bored machines. Yes I was surprised how fast a piped and filtered 700R was and I'd argue that they're VERY close to a piped and filtered yfz, even the 06+ models. I've seen the 700R beat bolt on 450's in a variety of terrains and race types.

I'd argue that a piped, filtered 660R with a cam will hold it's own with a bolt on 700R, and that adding a pump gas piston to the 660 gives it a healthy chance to beat the 700R. This is based partially on my experiences against bolt on 04-05 yfzs and 04-05 TRX450s where such a 660R was able to convincingly beat the 450's in different terrains.

[250r4life]

a pipe and filtered 700 with the fuel controller will smoke a 660 with a pipe, filter, and correct jetting...

i think it would take more than a cam and 660 piston in order for it to give the 700 a run for its money... how much more i dont know...

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by 250r4life
yes- the 660 is slow compared to the 700...
... my buddies have usually taken it from a stock engine, to a 686 with port, polish, piston, cams, etc... and their bikes would walk away form a piped and filtered 700...


Originally posted by 250r4life
i think it would take more than a cam and 660 piston in order for it to give the 700 a run for its money... how much more i dont know...

Well it looks like you've already told us. According to you your buddies with 686's will walk a bolt on 700R but the same bike without the port job and a 2mm smaller piston would not even give the 700R a run for it's money. So it's becoming clear to me that you believe a port job and an additional 26cc of displacement makes all the difference in the world.

I disagree, but I was just looking to understand how you felt about the matchup.

[Rptr660rkills]

well the 700 is faster, i only said it wasn't because that what i heared. how much faster is the 700 than the 660, it can't be all that much faster. an scratch all the other stuff, im willing to bet a dynatek rev box, exhaust an filter would leave the stock 700 standing still. because after that you'd have about 11 grand worth of rev, with the less restrictive exhaust being able to handle it. and of course jets. and after all the original post was about which was better to buy. i just ordered the crj lowering kit for mine, and it handles so much better that stock, im willing to bet it handles as good if not better than the 700. and with the money he spent on the 700, he could have had a sick 660 with money left over

[MadDog56]

You can remove the rev limiter completely and you'll never see an internally stock 660R get anywhere near 11k rpm. Most riders will never see the stock limiter when under load and it's at 9k rpm.

The timing changes from a cdi don't make much of a difference, and can even make the bike LESS powerful in some situations.

The lowering kits are a horrible bandaid for any kind of handling issue and will not make your raptor handle as well as a stock 06 700R with the cheaper shocks. Frame geometry, suspension geometry and overall dimensions have all changed and all for the better.

I agree that the extra 3k could have turned a 660R in to a much nicer machine that it was at the factory. A decent set of front shocks, rebuilt rear, axle and a-arms would have cost him around 1500 bucks, and another 1500 into the engine would have gotten him in good shape to compete against a 700R in any terrain.

[Backstabber]

I've got a friend with a 660 and a 700R. I've ridden both and I like the 700R a lot more. The 700 is based off the yfz frame and handles better but is still comfortable to ride. Plus you can't go wrong with that fuel injection. The 660 has a high compression piston, exhaust, and cam. The 700 has the same with a power commander and blows away the 660. Fuel injection, comfort, better handling and more power...You can't go wrong.

[HB416EX]

My friend has a 660 bored and stroked to 767 port/polish FCR41 SparksX6 110 octane Lonestar +6 swingarm Lonestar +4 A-Arms Elka Elite all the way around,lightened frame.I don't know everything it has done but there is nothing else he could do to it..Basically about 5 grand just in motor alone its a hillshooter/drag bike.It's the sickest 660 at Glamis.

My other friend has a 700 Yoshi pipe/programmer and other basics the 660/727 takes it by 3 bikes but he also probably has 15,000 into it.


He is buying a 700 to build in the off season.

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by HB416EX
My friend has a 660 bored and stroked to 767 port/polish FCR41 SparksX6 110 octane Lonestar +6 swingarm Lonestar +4 A-Arms Elka Elite all the way around,lightened frame.I don't know everything it has done but there is nothing else he could do to it..Basically about 5 grand just in motor alone its a hillshooter/drag bike.It's the sickest 660 at Glamis.

My other friend has a 700 Yoshi pipe/programmer and other basics the 660/727 takes it by 3 bikes but he also probably has 15,000 into it.


He is buying a 700 to build in the off season.

There is no combination of bore and stroke that will give you a 767cc 660R based raptor unless the piston was custom made in a half-mm size (which there is no point in doing). It's either a 105mm bore and 88mm stroke (762cc) or a 102mm bore and 94mm stroke (768cc, though to my knowledge there are fewer than a half dozen 10mill stroker cranks installed in the 660R).

That aside we're now talking about performance at the limit, and right now the 660R based builds are still faster in 300' than the 700R based builds. My suggestion is a better chassis setup and tuning, not dropping another 20 large to buy a new bike and get it close to where his old bike's already at.

[mbx5]

my 400ex will crush your scraptors....

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

just kidding.

In my eyes spending 8grand on a quad is absolutely FOOLISH. Sure the new 700r is mean as hll but is gonna get scratched and beaten and bruised. Its almost like spending 45grand on a brand new 4x4 pick-up and takin it to your local truck nite to run it through the mud.... Its kinda like pissn in the wind. It just doent make any sense!!!!!!;)

[dscb_81]

You can get a brand new 700r out the door for $6000. You just got to shop around and find a good deal. If you are paying $8000 for a quad, you much be buying that ktm450/525. :cool:

[Johnny Minehan]

i have a piped 660 and my dad has a bone stock 700, we like them both very much, and are equally fast. handles great, and i love the stance of the 700!:p

[MadDog56]

Originally posted by dscb_81
You can get a brand new 700r out the door for $6000. You just got to shop around and find a good deal. If you are paying $8000 for a quad, you much be buying that ktm450/525. :cool:

6000 otd would be at or below dealer cost.