Best 250r engine builder

[FoxkidR]

What do you guys think of TC built 250rs? Tom Carlson from TC racing engines. Or who do you recomend for making the most hp out of R motors? I have heard good about ftz and will stay as far away from esr and ct. K&T is another option I know they build sick banshees, what do you guys think?

[cdrookie]

c-leigh, packard, sabertooth

[BSTURDIVANT]

Sparks

[custom R]

I just had my top end ported by C-Leigh and he did an awsome job on it top noch

[my88r]

lrd performane.

[pharit]

duncan

[Scott-300ex]

Duncan and LSR were VERY popular when it was nothin but the r's racin, go watch a huevos or look in the mags you saw them everywhere.


But when I get mine built, I'm goin to FTZ, my buddies had their 250r's built by them and man they HAULED and FTZ did a really good job. Lots of guys around here had them do them.

[deathman53]

Sparks doesn't work on 250r's anymore. 250r parts are off of their website and I heard from a few that they haven't wanted to work on 250r's since 05 and had every excuse not to. They go where the money is, all engine builders are the same, the business goes to the "drones" who buy 450's, because that is what they are told to get, they don't think for themselves. Last time I called lrd, they told me that its getting harder and harder to get 250r pipes made, all the pipe builders want to do is make 4 stroke stuff. Combined with no 250r's racing, all the pro's on 450's, ama rules and heavy advertising, harder to get parts, the 250r was forced out unsafely. For the 250r to be forced out from pro racing it took no aftermarket frames, then pro production class, later on the 250r motor was basically banned from the pro class and that was the end of it, in 04 or 05. Sadly, 20 years of 250r domination in racing, stopped by Ama rules effectively forcing the 250r's out.

[my88r]

that ama rule sucks just look at the racing if you could still pro race a 250r. i called lrd to and they said that they would do 250r stuff because its the best quad so that is news to me.curtis sparks has always been a 4 stroke bulider so because the 250r was really the only bike racing they did work on them other wise they wouldnt be in bussines

[312R1]

Duncan

[Pappy]

damn...no one mentioned Tony Kellner

[my88r]

i forget about tony he is the 250r DOCTOR

[86 Quad R]

Tim at Titan Racing (http://www.titanracinginc.com/) is the best there is here in my neck of the woods.

[wilkin250r]

Why didn't anyone mention me?

[lbz#7]

lrd............

[FoxkidR]

Anyone had neil from saber racing do any work? Or packard or c-leigh? Im afraid of a cookie cutter job and want to spend the money right to get the most powerful set up I can for a given displacement (not drag frame or hillshooter though) and everyone one is building 4 strokes these days. Just dont want to have the best strait line power out of my 250r that I can. I have heard good about sparks, lrd, duncan, ftz, c-liegh etc, but is there that seems to be faster than others. Nobody said anything about TC, I have seen is work back in the day on Rs and they were FAST.

[Scottt89]

I get most of my parts and work done @ Tony Kellners. In fact, my tank, pipe, and a few other odds and ends came from Tonys once stacked drawers of 250r parts.

[86 Quad R]

i seriously doubt that you'll get neil at saber racing to do a cylinder. i suspect that he is too busy doing r/d work. try that link i posted. he specializes in 2 strokes and is far from a cookie cutter. :)

[FoxkidR]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 86 Quad R
i seriously doubt that you'll get neil at saber racing to do a cylinder. i suspect that he is too busy doing r/d work. try that link i posted. he specializes in 2 strokes and is far from a cookie cutter. :) [/QUOTE

Cool ill check that out, thanks for the help.

Scottt89- Who is this Tony Kellner? I have never heard of him.

Thanks for all the replies, hopefully have the R up and goin soon.

[old-XC-guy]

Id go with LRD or back in the day CT was really good... Have seen some really sick LRD 250Rs , Use to work with a guy that had a 330 from them and had a custom pipe done by them that they dyno with.. Made alot of ponys !!!

[707trx250r]

C-Leigh racing.
2-stroke only, nuff said!!
later

Adam

[csr250r]

I love my sparks, great power all around...

Im angry that sparks dont wanna do 250rs no more.:(

[my88r]

yah me to but sparks has always been a 4 stroke builder

[csr250r]

if u watch early huevos movies alot of the Rs have sparks setups, especially in tt

[stocktires]

Why no ESR these days? When I built my R they were all the hype.

[my88r]

Tony Kellner is the old machanic for the 7 time gncc champ barry hawk. he has almost all the 250r parts you want. his number is 570-366-1804.

[clutch22]

from what i hear ESR is a hit or miss job when it comes to porting

[fiveOnick]

Big companies = big disappointment.

CT and Trinity are the biggest joke I have ever seen, unless your buddy buddy with the head man. Good luck with that. I have a CT 310 in my garage to report for someone, it was a high rev according to them. The exhaust was set at 184, you will laugh at that if you know anything about durations at all.

LRD and Duncan are ok but by no means worth the money. ESR is a great place for bolt on's but I would have them port anything. They do great jobs for the money on the Pro-X's in my opinion, key word is for the money.

I dont even know C-Leighbut just from my opinion of his posts and record he must know a thing or two. Most importantly he likes 250R's. They mean something to him, if you dont want cookie cutter the small guys are the people you need to be looking at. There are tons of people out there who can build you something you would be happy with, chances are your not going to find any of them in a dirtwheels add.

[Scottt89]

Like it was said above, Tony Kellner is the old Mechanic for Barry Hawk. He was also a mechanic for Pat Brown a season or two ago.

He is running a little scarce on 250r parts as things have gone the way of the 4stroke. Back in the day, you could just go through the drawers and it was like a kid in Toys R Us.

Motor wise, he is the 250r man, he's the only person I'll go to for engine work.

[emullen]

For what it is worth since no one has spoke about Packard's motor-

I have a Packard non PV 1 bore over std -89 jug mx ported, 86 bottom end with an 89 rod and piston (not the spacer plate set up) and matched and it flat out rips!!!! It will run with or out run many big bores. It hits very hard and can tire you. Friends get tired on it. Once you get used to the hit its no problem. I love it. By comparision I also have an ESR 250 Non PV and a CT 310 Non PV. Amoungst my friends I have had the chance to ride many built motors from many builders including PV motors. The Pakard motor is serious but I must also say it was all matched by Dennis- a rad valve (polished), PT race, 38 A/S (poslished), CR ignition, LSR airbox runs on race fuel. It has been super reliable and I would not hessitate to get another motor done by him. Call him and talk to him. He is super nice and truely interested in what you want- that was my experience. He was real big into the 250R back some time and concerned about how I liked his work. I do not know his current situation though but sure he could build a motor to suit your style.
There is nothing wrong with my CT or ESR but I do think the Packard has a lot of power. It may be matched a bit better. For woods the Packard can be tiring the way the power comes on vs the CT.

good luck however you go and speak with your builder- go with who you feel comfortable talking to and takes an interest in your needs

[FoxkidR]

I agree with you guys on the big name companies not being worth the money, that is why i made this post. The 250r is my absolute favorite quad ever and i want to make it as fast as possible. I have heard alot of good about packard built motors emullen, I will def. check him out. thanks guys for all the posts, keep em commin. Talking about 250rs is the next best thing to riding them:D

[fiveOnick]

Oh Dennis Packard is no doubt a great builder, but that would be the first ever setup I have heard from him that was not a drag motor. Still sounds like it wants to be one too from you description of the power.

[707trx250r]

I am very happy with my ct350pv. I have out run all but 1 250r that I have raced. I must have one of their good ones.

But I just sent it to C-Leigh racing to have it reported.
Can't wait till it gets back:devil:
later
adam

[trailwart]

i vote for neil, heres some pics of his work, pics dont do justice

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8721145012.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098829)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8721145081.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098828)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8721144963.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098827)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8721144938.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098826)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8721144956.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098825)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/3/8721144811.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098824)

[downtown_sounds]

I have never rode alot of built 250r's. I just got one with a duncan 340 powervalve and I got to give them props on this thing. From bottom to top this thing screams. I would not want to spend that much on a motor for them to build a new one but it was worth every penny for this used one. If anyone that has one of these things would like to give some tips on it I would appreciate it. Brian

[SuperChris]

I'm about to go try my C-Leigh 310 Pro-X for the first time this weekend at Spinreel on the Oregon dunes. I'll let you know how it works.

[bwamos]

Careful. The tops of those dunes may approach faster than you're used too.. LOL.

[aztecgwynn]

Gentlemen who cares how fast we can get a 250r from point A to point B it should be how long that 250r motor has gone without any major problems pending all maintenence issues, mixing fuel, jetting, and etc.
Not that im old but when I was in my 20's I also looked for speed but didn't worry about how many runs at 100mph at comp hill I could get as long as I got one good run then it blew up. Many companies look for people like us to gain in their riches because they know they are build us a grenade that is going to run a few times then boom engines been toast and we are the dumb ones who keep going back to these big companies for more work.
Now its a different story I have 1 atc 250r water pumper and parts are scarce not only because its an atc but it also has a 2 stroke 250r engine but I dont want to hand my engine over to the guy who will make me 250 super fast for a handful of times but to somebody will give me consistecy out of that engine an same me hard earned dollars in the long run.
With that said lets not make these companies any richer and us poorer we need to make better judgements who really is good and bad.

[my88r]

you couldnt i have said that better really any of those over 300 are not reliable

[Kirt13]

Originally posted by aztecgwynn
Gentlemen who cares how fast we can get a 250r from point A to point B it should be how long that 250r motor has gone without any major problems pending all maintenence issues, mixing fuel, jetting, and etc.
Not that im old but when I was in my 20's I also looked for speed but didn't worry about how many runs at 100mph at comp hill I could get as long as I got one good run then it blew up. Many companies look for people like us to gain in their riches because they know they are build us a grenade that is going to run a few times then boom engines been toast and we are the dumb ones who keep going back to these big companies for more work.
Now its a different story I have 1 atc 250r water pumper and parts are scarce not only because its an atc but it also has a 2 stroke 250r engine but I dont want to hand my engine over to the guy who will make me 250 super fast for a handful of times but to somebody will give me consistecy out of that engine an same me hard earned dollars in the long run.
With that said lets not make these companies any richer and us poorer we need to make better judgements who really is good and bad.
They are making these big bore engines last just as long as a smaller engine these days. They are still reliable. It's up to the person that's taking care of the bike. treat it right and it will treat you right. AND I'm not speaking about a bore thats bigger than a 350cc. That's just nuts!!

[SuperChris]

My hat goes off to C-Leigh for my 310. I'm sure that if the clutch was strong enuph for the new topend I woulda been beating, not just keeping up with the HRC TRX450R, no matter who was piloting it.

[esr250r86]

Eddie Sanders Racing, or CT racing would be my second choice.

[86 Quad R]

an ESR is a great cylinder for a cooker cutter but there lots to be gained from em.

[esr250r86]

Whats a cooker cutter?

[DanW]

Originally posted by esr250r86
Whats a cooker cutter?

Is that something from a meth lab?

:D

[86 Quad R]

Originally posted by DanW
Is that something from a meth lab?

:D


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[C-LEIGH RACING]

Originally posted by my88r
you couldnt i have said that better really any of those over 300 are not reliable

Check this out,

330R engine built in 04 for a back up & practice bike, same engine was used in 05 for 24 races local & gnc national events. In 06, same engine 28 races local & gnc national events & have ran two events already for the 07 season.
Only thing touched on the engine in all that time has been a head dome was replaced because it spit a plug out & I cross threaded it going back in, so rather that helicoil the hole, just replaced the dome.
I can tell you this much though, never been run a single time on the lean side far as jets & had a clean Uni 2 stage foam air flter for every race, notice I didnt say K&N, thats right Uni.
You want it to live, you better filter that air.

Oh, & to top that all off, the 330 cylinder & head was a junker that a guy gave me after he had bought a 350 Pro-x top end, was a complete fresh rebuild in 04 though.
Neil

[emullen]

do you like the Uni better than the twinn Air and are you running and air box?

[C-LEIGH RACING]

Originally posted by emullen
do you like the Uni better than the twinn Air and are you running and air box?

I've never ran the Twin Air foam filter, just the Uni, so cant say if one is better than the other. I would feel pretty sure though the Twin Air would be just as good as the Uni.

Just about everybody you see that uses the K&N will say it flows more & I dont dought that, but when you have more flow it means the holes are bigger where the air has to pass through & dont restrict as much. Bad part about that, if the hole is bigger, fine dirt can pass through as well.
Now, if you were running the K&N & had a close cell foam wrap to put on the outside of the K&N, that would make a good deal of difference.
Only problem with doing this is then your adding more to the total price of useing a K&N.
A Uni filter for the 250R retails for around 23.00 & the K&N, I dont know, been awhile sence I even looked at the price of them.
Neil

[my88r]

a k&n with a pre filter will be fine always used k&n never a problem