KTM quad?

[trx400EXtreme]

i was readin in an old dirtwheels in the "over the bars" section and they were sayin that ktm might make a 450. wuts ur gays' thoughts on it?

[quads14589]

yeah i read about that too awhile ago, but idk if its ever going to happen they have been talking about it for awhile, but they did put the 520 in the polaris outlaw:confused:

the KTM is coming, just be patient, im sure it will be a late 08 or 09...the ATV scene is growing too fast for them to NOT make money in it...KTM s a company i have respect for

[trx400EXtreme]

Originally posted by quads14589
yeah i read about that too awhile ago, but idk if its ever going to happen they have been talking about it for awhile, but they did put the 520 in the polaris outlaw:confused:

ya i also heard that because ktm gave up ther motor, ktm and polaris might just become one company.

[c450Razy]

no. they 100% geting into ATVs. Infact they have 2, a 450 MX bike and a 520 XC bike that is in the final stages of being tested.
They are sposed to be pure out of the box racers (not like the other 450`s) no need for thosands of dollars in upgrades just like there dirtbikes.

[c450Razy]

does anybody on here know pro-am rider Adam Clark ? KTM flew him to Austria and he test rode the 450.

no offence but how many times have i heard " no need for upgrades, these are out of the box race ready" i heard it with the 400s, the raptor, yfz, the LTR, and now the KTM....i dont think there is ever going to be a true race ready quad out of the box

[Toadz400]

Ever heard of a Cannondale? KTM will more than likely be very similar to how they were set up, don't be expecting to pay a mere 6 or 7k for one of these quads.

c-dales price was insane 11 thousand dollars for a quad...come on...i can buy a very nice car for that....and not only that i would get a full blown 250r for 4500-6 k and be faster for less...quads are not getting any better, i dont know if anyone has noticed that or not

[deathman53]

I have noticed that too, yes, the 4 strokes came a long way, but the chassis and such haven't. If any of you got lucky to ride leager narrow frame cr500 link 250r, you will know what I'm talking about. The leager, roll, or walsh chassis will out-handle almost all 450's. I would like to see a ktm quad, I have one of their dirtbikes, its awesome and has very good stuff, what bikes comes stock with a magura cluth???? They do lack skid plates, hand guards and other small stuff, but most people rip those off and replace them with better stuff anyway. The footpegs that come stock, put the pegs on honda bikes to shame.

I got to ride a moto 440, it was a very nice bike, wheather it was worth 12g's(you were off by 1g), is questionable. If you wanted a off-the-showroom quad you could buy and race, at the time this was the bike. To build another bike to match it, you would have more than 13g's into it atleast. It would bemore setup to your liking no doubt. I prefer my 250r's(3 and 4 wheel), to these new bikes. The reason why people think the new bikes are better, is its what the pro's are paid to say. If you go them off camera, their custom frame 250r hybrids would be better.

[shano]

Originally posted by Honda86
c-dales price was insane 11 thousand dollars for a quad...come on...i can buy a very nice car for that....and not only that i would get a full blown 250r for 4500-6 k and be faster for less...quads are not getting any better, i dont know if anyone has noticed that or not

Im pretty sure a stock moto would keep up to a full modded 20,000$ 250r.... so too me, thats the way to go. And if you we're to dump maybe 2000$ into a moto, you'd be able to spank a modded 250r.

[troutman561]

Yea about the chassis thing. Why hasnt honda just copied the 250r geometry with the new bikes. It does not make sense. And also, why is frame geometry from 20 years ago better than todays stuff with computer technology and all that we have now.. very strange to me...

[deathman53]

what is emabarrasing is that, honda had to buy a aftermarket 250r frame(350x motor mounts) and the rest of the 250r stuff, to design a 400ex. Now if a 350x motor fits into a r frame and the motor is very similar to a xr400 motor, why couldn't they design the frame the same as the aftermarket frame?? Also, why did they choose to use inferior brakes?? A 400ex just doesn't handle the same as a 250r. Everything honda had to use(that worked), they didn't use any of it, doesn't made sense.

[z40021]

Originally posted by deathman53
I have noticed that too, yes, the 4 strokes came a long way, but the chassis and such haven't. If any of you got lucky to ride leager narrow frame cr500 link 250r, you will know what I'm talking about. The leager, roll, or walsh chassis will out-handle almost all 450's.

If you go them off camera, their custom frame 250r hybrids would be better.

The problem with this is the fact that their is no way to build a custom chasis hybrid for less than 12G's. And he is saying a stock racer not leager narrow fram. Big differance their.

But I think instead of doing the 450r they should of just took the 250r fram geometry a crf450 engine and made a production quad out of it.

[Tommy 17]

actually i hear ktm is puttin most of its time into street bikes... i know they are in the 250 classes right now and wanna go into the big bike classes with the release of a new 08 bike...

[bradley300]

Originally posted by Honda86
c-dales price was insane 11 thousand dollars for a quad...come on...i can buy a very nice car for that....and not only that i would get a full blown 250r for 4500-6 k and be faster for less...quads are not getting any better, i dont know if anyone has noticed that or not

what do you want? a race ready quad, or a decent stock quad only to put thousands more in? you wont get either race ready for 7000. you want a race ready quad, dont be afraid to pay for it

[my88r]

its going to be a nice bike but i hope the frame has a low profile like 250r but eney why it will be a quad you can depend on for many years and make all the others look like junk

[JessetheKid]

Originally posted by c450Razy
does anybody on here know pro-am rider Adam Clark ? KTM flew him to Austria and he test rode the 450.

I know him, I bought one of his 450's off of him a month or so ago. He said it wont be out for the 07 season for sure. He said that it was the best factory quad he has ever ridden suspension wise and handeling. As close as you can get to race ready out of the box. Also that it looks like it will be very pricey.

a stock moto keeping up with a 20,000 250r? Where did you get your drugs from? those cannondales were nice but they are nothing amazing.....then you say a moto with 2 grand into it could smoke a modded 250r??? please explain

[Ralph]

Originally posted by deathman53
I have noticed that too, yes, the 4 strokes came a long way, but the chassis and such haven't. If any of you got lucky to ride leager narrow frame cr500 link 250r, you will know what I'm talking about. The leager, roll, or walsh chassis will out-handle almost all 450's.

I think thats what kawasaki caught on to.

http://www.atvriders.com/images/kawasaki/2008/kawasakikfx450atvframe.jpg

http://www.atvriders.com/images/kawasaki/2008/kawasakikfx450atvnarrowframe.jpg

[05Z400rdr]

http://www.atvsource.com/articles/articles/2006/060106_off_the_pegs_junel_springtime_q_a.htm

[bustedknuckle]

Talked To Our Dealer,He Said KTM Will Be Out Sept This Year.

[shano]

Originally posted by Honda86
a stock moto keeping up with a 20,000 250r? Where did you get your drugs from? those cannondales were nice but they are nothing amazing.....then you say a moto with 2 grand into it could smoke a modded 250r??? please explain

Have you ever rode a moto?

And before you ask me if I ever rode a 250r, I have rode a few and they dont even come close to my cannondale in power.

Moto- 11,000 + 2000 in aftermarket

-Alum frame
-easily 50hp
-fuel injection with mapping
- long travel with ohlins suspension (top notch)
-beadlocks
- 350pds
- hydro clutch

ext...

250r stock we'll say 5000 plus unlimited aftermarket (yet keeping it a 250) for racing purposes

-not aluminum frame
-about the same hp as a cannondale makes, except with a non tuneable powerband
-old carb technology
-long travel ext...
-buy bedalocks if you want
- dry weight? probably about the same as a moto
- no hydro clutch unless you want one...

all in all, why not have a moto with new technology and be able to race 450 class with no problems? you have to pay to race, And no matter what you buy, your gonna have to dump thousands into it. :devil:

Whatever you do....


DO NOT.....I repeat DO NOT....


....got to KTMTalk.com and ask them this very question.

You've been duly warned.

[z40021]

Originally posted by garandman
Whatever you do....


DO NOT.....I repeat DO NOT....


....got to KTMTalk.com and ask them this very question.

You've been duly warned.

Why do they go nuts cause its about a quad.

[deathman53]

I don't know why, but most dirt bike people absolutely hate quads. Ever notice, they call them lawn mowers, golf carts and try to get us off their tracks, say we cause un-ridable ruts. You ever try to ride a track that had moslty dirt bikes on it??? The jump faces are so uneven and the ruts they leave can/will swallow an atv tire. I would like to know how our ruts are much worse??? Part of the atv vs dirtbike people are because of the riders, alot of your atv riders aren't wearing helmets, no safety gear, riding double, and drunk/high.

Originally posted by z40021
Why do they go nuts cause its about a quad.

Cuz they are arrogant jerks, whose precious perfectly groomed parking lot-like single track gets ruined (according to them anyway)

Seems they don't realize its calle "off roading" for a reason.

I asked them once. After TEN PAGES of insults and attacks, even from the mods, I finally got an answer.

On page 9 I got sick of it, and called them "jerks." One time.

It shortly got me banned.

Jerks.

:devil:

[Scro]

Dirtbikes say we tear up the land more than them. This is BS. Go ride a muddy XC track after the couple hundred dirtbikes race. Their ruts are 2 feet deep.

Originally posted by deathman53
I don't know why, but most dirt bike people absolutely hate quads. Ever notice, they call them lawn mowers, golf carts and try to get us off their tracks, say we cause un-ridable ruts. You ever try to ride a track that had moslty dirt bikes on it??? The jump faces are so uneven and the ruts they leave can/will swallow an atv tire. I would like to know how our ruts are much worse???

When the dirtbikers make that lame excuse, I tell them if they don't like ruts, they prolly should sell the dirt bike and get a street bike.

:devil:

Fact is, sport ATV tires actually help groom trails / tracks. Two ride area owners told me as much - they LIKE the ATV'ers.

WHen trail riding, the dirt bikers make MUCH worse ruts than my quad does. I guess us ATV guys just have the skill to deal with their ruts and they don't.




Part of the atv vs dirtbike people are because of the riders, alot of your atv riders aren't wearing helmets, no safety gear, riding double, and drunk/high.

I hear the dirt bikers make this claim, but I fairly seldom see it myself.

Originally posted by Scro
Dirtbikes say we tear up the land more than them. This is BS. Go ride a muddy XC track after the couple hundred dirtbikes race. Their ruts are 2 feet deep.

ITP Holeshots , Maxxis Razr's and teh like actually help groom the ruts the dirt bikers make.

I've had several ride area owners tell me as much.

[N300exJ]

Yup we have a natural terrain type track out here where we ride and they love the quads hittin the track, cause we smooth out the ruts, breaking bumps and berms.

[yamahonda]

most bikers hate quads on a track cus we fill in the ruts and makes it hard for them to turn and burn.. i been ran off a few myself by them... not that we make ruts.. but myself cant wait for the ktm to come out.. i have a coworker friend older guy been riding bikes and hates quads but he is a diehard ktm dude he is actually thinking of getting one.. so it will be cool to maybe cross over a few die hard bikers just cus its ktm..

[54warrior]

For all you C'dale bashers, you can thank them for all your new 450's that you are riding. They are the ones, after all, that got the ball rolling you know.

I look forward to seeing these orange/black machines on the track!!!

[deathman53]

I think I might buy one, the dirtbikes come pretty uncorked compared the the how the big 4's atvs are, I would think the atv's would be the same. I would never buy a 1st year model though.

[MXBlaster23]

Ya I have a feelin you'll be seein a KTM quad out on the track soon. Look for a pro rider to be ridin one this year. :)

[reptikes]

KTM and POLARIS did team up for a Quad, but they already split up. The quad is still coming though.

Personally i think KTM should have done there own thing.

[Brad77]

KTM talk.com

LOL, yeah those guys are quad haters with a passion.
I have a KTM hybrid and I have gone there for some info on the engine but I will not post there. Those guys have some real issues.

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by deathman53
I would never buy a 1st year model though.

I would usually trust KTM on a first year model, but considering it'd be their first EVER ATV model...I'd probably give it some time to really prove itself. I don't think KTM will let us down though.

[my88r]

ktm has already got the bugs worked out they dont sell there bikes intill then. it has been in testing for a long time . i hope the price isnt going to be sky high like there 4 storke dirt bikes

[genxracer]

Originally posted by MXBlaster23
Ya I have a feelin you'll be seein a KTM quad out on the track soon. Look for a pro rider to be ridin one this year. :)

Might be Tim from what I'm hearing.

[my88r]

i dout it tim has always rode for honda i think he will stay on them

[trick250r]

Originally posted by my88r
i dout it tim has always rode for honda i think he will stay on them


nope... hes not racing a honda anymore. team motosport is going to be racing a completely different bike than tim's personal bike. hes prob going to be on a KTM and im willing to bet that upperman and kendall are gonna be on suzukis.

[CRich[814]]

Originally posted by my88r
i hope the price isnt going to be sky high like there 4 storke dirt bikes

there two stroke bikes are high price too. its just because they completely redid them though, so they can get the business that the jap bike company's let die.

[Dale512]

The KTM 450SX-F is only $200 more than the CRF450R, you can't buy the Magura Hydroclutch that comes standard on the KTM for that, not to mention the Excel rims, better chain & sprocket, and other trick peices.

Heres another interesting tidbit, having weighed the KTM 450, CRF450, KX450F, & RM-Z450 wet with all fluids including gas the KTM is the lightest by about 3lbs even with the Chromoly Frame and Electric Start.

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by Dale512
The KTM 450SX-F is only $200 more than the CRF450R, you can't buy the Magura Hydroclutch that comes standard on the KTM for that, not to mention the Excel rims, better chain & sprocket, and other trick peices.

Heres another interesting tidbit, having weighed the KTM 450, CRF450, KX450F, & RM-Z450 wet with all fluids including gas the KTM is the lightest by about 3lbs even with the Chromoly Frame and Electric Start.

Imagine it with more aluminum or titanium and a kickstart.

[my88r]

i saw thing in atv rider that tim farr is going to ride there new bike

[Toadz400]

I've heard that the price is going to be a little extreme just like the Cannondales were. I guess you have to pay to play.

[CRich[814]]

Originally posted by trx400EXtreme
wuts ur gays' thoughts on it?

i aint no gay.

haha i cant believe no one noticed that.


Originally posted by z40021
But I think instead of doing the 450r they should of just took the 250r fram geometry a crf450 engine and made a production quad out of it.

me too. that'd be sick. i think if there werent so many death's because of atv's, they would. im surprised they make 450's now and aren't getting sued like crazy.

[scruff_mcruff]

Originally posted by Dale512
The KTM 450SX-F is only $200 more than the CRF450R, you can't buy the Magura Hydroclutch that comes standard on the KTM for that, not to mention the Excel rims, better chain & sprocket, and other trick peices.

yes the base cost is the same, but you can ask any dealer in the country and they will tell you they make more on parts then they do selling a new bike. and anyone whose dealt w/ ktms knows parts are on average twice as expensive as the jap bikes.

[MentalState]

close but no cigar!


Its getting there to me its a KTM....

http://www.predatorowners.com/memberphotos/predator/8287/DCP_6830.jpg

[400EXTRA]

polaris ownes like 20% of ktm so thats why the ktm motor is in the outlaw

[insaneracin2003]

ATV Sport did an artical on Tim Farr,he is going to KTM and the mag said the quad should be released mid year this year.....will make it interesting though.....

[400EXTRA]

yes it will be.....

[MXBlaster23]

Originally posted by trick250r
nope... hes not racing a honda anymore. team motosport is going to be racing a completely different bike than tim's personal bike. hes prob going to be on a KTM and im willing to bet that upperman and kendall are gonna be on suzukis.

Kendall and Upperman will both be riidng Kawasakis this year in the WPSA tour and some select ATVA Nationals.

[trick250r]

Originally posted by MXBlaster23
Kendall and Upperman will both be riidng Kawasakis this year in the WPSA tour and some select ATVA Nationals.


i never even thought about the kawi... sweet action. i just hope that the fact that the kawi's a brand new bike and may have some problems doesnt screw up Upperman's first full year as a pro.