'08 powerstroke, wow, step off dodge

[bulkdriverlp]

http://www.fordvehicles.com/Trucks/2008superduty/

this truck looks so cool, look at the f-450 supercrew!! twin 2-stage turbos?? can wait to druel all over one at my local dealer soon.

[trx400EXtreme]

that thing is sick!!! the f450 is huge!

[firefighterjosh]

Suppose to be a good engine. I have herd alot about them.

How much you wanna bet they put a deisel engine in a f-150 within 2 - 3 years;)

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by firefighterjosh
Suppose to be a good engine. I have herd alot about them.

How much you wanna bet they put a deisel engine in a f-150 within 2 - 3 years;)

Then Ill be down at the lot putting a down payment on one!! That would be a sick truck

[firefighterjosh]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
Then Ill be down at the lot putting a down payment on one!! That would be a sick truck

All I can say is save your money. You can hold me too it too. Within the next 3 years I belive.

[HB416EX]

:eek: :eek: that is my next work truck:eek: :eek:

[707trx250r]

Lets see how many problems this diesel has. It will be hard to have more than the 6.0.
I will always drive a dodge!

I admit dodge may not have the best truck, but the cummins is the best diesel. It isn't about who has the most power, it is who can make the power with no problems.
But that ford does look pretty good.

[WhiteYFZ]

dam man that thing is really nice! its big!

[1fst400]

Does anyone know how much HP the motor has and if they are putting it in a f-350.

If so im telling my dad to trade in his 04 f-350 lariat for a new one.

[parkers30]

Originally posted by firefighterjosh
All I can say is save your money. You can hold me too it too. Within the next 3 years I belive.

we have of the 4.4 v-6's here at school to play with, very sweet

[ilpadrino113]

They engineered a 6 cyl diesel to put in the f-150's over sees when they redisgned them but they decided it would be too costly

[firefighterjosh]

Originally posted by ilpadrino113
They engineered a 6 cyl diesel to put in the f-150's over sees when they redisgned them but they decided it would be too costly

Its still coming:D

[Quad18star]

Ford has already said that in 2-3 years from now , they will have a diesel engine in their F-150 pick ups . It was was in the media a few months back ( October/November)

[ShiftFMX]

http://www.vwenthusiast.com/yabbse/attachments/homer-drool.gif

[stalefish_132]

the new ford is even worse than the old grills, but maybe somthing like this would help ford sell a few more "Super" trucks.

[stalefish_132]

now here's somthing to drool over, Duramax/Allison 365hp/660lb/tq

[firefighterjosh]

Originally posted by stalefish_132
the new ford is even worse than the old grills, but maybe somthing like this would help ford sell a few more "Super" trucks.

So what your telling me is that a Super gay machine is better then a Chevy? Damn chevy is getting really low now.

[stalefish_132]

Originally posted by firefighterjosh
So what your telling me is that a Super gay machine is better then a Chevy? Damn chevy is getting really low now.

well what did you think i was saying? that the honda ridgeline owns them all?:huh

[firefighterjosh]

Originally posted by stalefish_132
well what did you think i was saying? that the honda ridgeline owns them all?:huh

Ridge is in a class above these trucks. Nothing can touch them.

[Ace Sixx]

The next redesign of the F-150 is model year 2009 and yes, there will be a 4.4L diesel. Look for this in the Expedition and Navigator as well.

Ace Sixx
Ford Employee

[parkers30]

Originally posted by Ace Sixx
The next redesign of the F-150 is model year 2009 and yes, there will be a 4.4L diesel. Look for this in the Expedition and Navigator as well.

Ace Sixx
Ford Employee

thats what I have heard from everyone I talked to that works at ford or for suppliers

[nosliw]

don't mean to piss all over the ford-orgy going on here, but don't expect those twins to make your truck into a rocket.

they are primarily for emission purposes. just like any other 2008, it will be plagued with emissions BS.

you're better off with a larger single charger.

we'll see how they do, though. i'd be happy for them if this engine lasted.

[Creech52]

The cummins is still the best and chevys new duramax is emissions compliant but still makes more power then previous years. Like the ol' saying goes "I'd rather be cummin then strokin' "

[hondaracer31]

Does anybody here know who owns Cummins?

[nosliw]

Originally posted by hondaracer31
Does anybody here know who owns Cummins?

cummins


oh, and the cummins is going to be plagued with this emissions crap like the rest of them. it's sad, really.

[c450Razy]

Ford owned a small percentage of Cummins, but sold off their ownership long ago

[stalefish_132]

Originally posted by Creech52
Like the ol' saying goes "I'd rather be cummin then strokin' "

"Cummin 'Stroke this":devil:

[APK400exRacer]

Chevy/GMC
Horsepower:365
Torque: 660
Towing Capacity:16500

Ford:
Horsepower: 350
Torque: 650
Towing Capacity: 24,500

I think ill test the new ford if i could.

[450rcrazy022692]

Originally posted by 1fst400
Does anyone know how much HP the motor has and if they are putting it in a f-350.

If so im telling my dad to trade in his 04 f-350 lariat for a new one.

If you click on the engine it says-

''350 horsepower and 650 lb-ft of torque.''

[TheFontMaster]

Originally posted by stalefish_132
now here's somthing to drool over, Duramax/Allison 365hp/660lb/tq


Yea the Chevys are nice, but look at that truck, it looks like pure ***. I'm a Ford guy when it comes to trucks, and I would never own a truck with one of those 6.0's. The 7.3's on the other hand are a totaly different story. So we'll see if this new motor can live up to what the old 7.3's were.

While Dodges do have the most power, they also fall apart the fastest, and have the worst gas mileage.

The ultimate truck, Cummins motor, Alison transmission, Chevy interior, with a Ford frame and body.:macho

[nosliw]

Originally posted by TheFontMaster


While Dodges do have the most power, they also fall apart the fastest, and have the worst gas mileage.

The ultimate truck, Cummins motor, Alison transmission, Chevy interior, with a Ford frame and body.:macho


have you owned any of these diesels or is this just what you've gathered from reading biased bull**** on the internet?

dodges have the most power? fall apart? worst mpg?

W-T-F

just to all who doesn't know, that 600lbs or whatever @ 1400rpm isn't correct. look at any dynograph, you're not making poo that low.


edit- came off as a little pissy of me, but i'm not trying to be. :ermm:

[stalefish_132]

Originally posted by APK400exRacer
Chevy/GMC
Horsepower:365
Torque: 660
Towing Capacity:16500

Ford:
Horsepower: 350
Torque: 650
Towing Capacity: 24,500

I think ill test the new ford if i could.

your comparing a F450 to a GM 2500HD, comapre 3/4 ton to 3/4 ton.

2007 Ford F250 Super Duty
Maximum Payload: 3,200 lb.
Maximum Towing: 14,400 lb.

2007 GM Sierra 2500HD
Maximum Payload: 4,058 lb.
Maximum Towing:16,500 lb.

2007 Dodge Ram 2500
Maximum Payload: 3,230 lb.
Maximum Towing: 13,700 lb.

so there you have it, all three 3/4 ton's not 3/4 vs. 1-1/4 ton or what ever they rate the F450 at.


Originally posted by nosliw
to all who doesn't know, that 600lbs or whatever @ 1400rpm isn't correct. look at any dynograph, you're not making poo that low.


actully the Dodge/Cummins torque peak is @1400rpm, the GM/Duramax is @1600rpm and the Ford/Powerstroke is @2000rpm.

since diesel's don't have the rpm range like a gas it is good to have your torque peak down low in the power band vs. in the upper rpm. when towing you don't want your tranny to be shifting in and out of OD all the time when going up hill, best if it will just hold OD up a hill.

[coolex]

i dont like the new body at all expecially on the f250 grill is huge and the rest of it is small and wimpy looking compared to it, i hate how tall the front lights are to its just ugly imo

[416exmx]

Originally posted by TheFontMaster


The ultimate truck, Cummins motor, Alison transmission, Chevy interior, with a Ford frame and body.:macho


And I thought I was the only one to think like that. That would indeed be the ultimate truck.

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by TheFontMaster
Yea the Chevys are nice, but look at that truck, it looks like pure ***. I'm a Ford guy when it comes to trucks, and I would never own a truck with one of those 6.0's. The 7.3's on the other hand are a totaly different story. So we'll see if this new motor can live up to what the old 7.3's were.

While Dodges do have the most power, they also fall apart the fastest, and have the worst gas mileage.

The ultimate truck, Cummins motor, Alison transmission, Chevy interior, with a Ford frame and body.:macho

A couple of my buddies are big truck guys and will own nothing but diesel trucks. One of them owns about 7 diesel trucks of his own and is about 20 years old. Mostly older ones, but some fast ones too. His older brother had an f-250 2001ish with upgraded turbo, 4 inch stacks, full exhaust, and chip. His newer 04 f-350 with the 6.0 was faster with just a chip upgrade and a regular catback exhaust. Both trucks have since been totaled but thats another story. Older brother attended diesel school and knows a thing or two. They also have a pulling truck using a john deere 6 cylinder diesel that is pushing 1500ftlbs of tq, which isn't bad for a couple of rednecks and an early 80s f-250. Neither will own anything but fords, but thats just the way they were brought up.

[trick450r]

Originally posted by 416exmx
And I thought I was the only one to think like that. That would indeed be the ultimate truck.

make it three people haha...i would kill someone for that truck, but untill then ill stick with my 7.3 powerstroke, best thing since sliced bread if you ask me

[mxduner]

chevy is suppose to have a half ton diesel in the works as well.replaces the 5.3.

[Creech52]

I went to school with a kid that had a new F-350 or 250, he swapped the badges and changed some things to make it look like the next size up. Anyway he was pretty big into diesel truck drag racing and what not. Well to make a long story short, he wanted to put a cummins in his ford, from seeing what the guys are running he felt the cummins was better then his powerstroke, I know its his opinion but figured Id throw it out there for you guys to mull over.

[nosliw]

Originally posted by stalefish_132





actully the Dodge/Cummins torque peak is @1400rpm, the GM/Duramax is @1600rpm and the Ford/Powerstroke is @2000rpm.

since diesel's don't have the rpm range like a gas it is good to have your torque peak down low in the power band vs. in the upper rpm. when towing you don't want your tranny to be shifting in and out of OD all the time when going up hill, best if it will just hold OD up a hill.


yes, that is what they tell you. have you seen an actual dyno for these things?

http://i10.tinypic.com/2eck9bq.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/401rhoi.jpg

these trucks are not stock, but the stock ones have similar 'lines' (they just don't go as high)


see what i mean, jellybean?

these aren't big-rig diesels. they like to rev.

[trick450r]

they like to rev.

i wouldnt go that far hahaha...i understand what your saying though hah

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by nosliw
yes, that is what they tell you. have you seen an actual dyno for these things?

http://i10.tinypic.com/2eck9bq.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/401rhoi.jpg

these trucks are not stock, but the stock ones have similar 'lines' (they just don't go as high)


see what i mean, jellybean?

these aren't big-rig diesels. they like to rev.



Those are quite obviously not stock diesels... get a dyno for a stock one ..... I want to see. Im not saying your right or wrong, but Im curious.

[Nick110]

Originally posted by trick450r
i wouldnt go that far hahaha...i understand what your saying though hah

Got any pics of your truck. Im guessing its around a 97?

[416exmx]

Originally posted by trick450r
make it three people haha...i would kill someone for that truck, but untill then ill stick with my 7.3 powerstroke, best thing since sliced bread if you ask me

I had an 03 with the 7.3 and now have an 06 F250 crew cab with the 6.0 and love it. I know everyone likes the 7.3 and so did I, but the 6.0's seems to be fillin the 7.3's shoes pretty good.

[Quad18star]

I was going to buy a Diesel truck , but after hearing about so many people complain about the lack of heat in these trucks , I figured it wouldn't be practical for living way up here in the north .

My aunt and uncle have owned just about every make of diesel out there , and when the temps are very cold , these things never warm up . They've had to travel 3 hours in -40* and even by the time they got home , there was still no heat . I said screw it when I heard that ... I'll buy gas instead !!!!!

[snox31]

Originally posted by nosliw
yes, that is what they tell you. have you seen an actual dyno for these things?

http://i10.tinypic.com/2eck9bq.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/401rhoi.jpg

these trucks are not stock, but the stock ones have similar 'lines' (they just don't go as high)


see what i mean, jellybean?

these aren't big-rig diesels. they like to rev. those are pretty impessive numbers ,what mods are done to them to get that kind of power ? one of my friends has a excursion (7.3)with a ton of mods but i can't see it pulling those kind of numbers.

[nosliw]

you can look for a stock dyno if you want. but you're wasting your time if you're trying to prove to me that a stock p/u diesel will make 600lbft of tq @ that low of an rpm. maybe at the crank, idk. but real world number speak a different story.


and i wasn't kidding when i said they like to rev. V8, short stroke, high compression? thing is made to scream.

these engines aren't ANYTHING like the bigrif inline'ers that don't rev high. don't be afraid to let these things breathe. they were designed to hit low 3000's stock and are capable of much more.

think new-school, not old-school!

not sure of the exact mods on those trucks.

[trick450r]

Originally posted by Nick110
Got any pics of your truck. Im guessing its around a 97?

i'll get some..its a 95'


I had an 03 with the 7.3 and now have an 06 F250 crew cab with the 6.0 and love it. I know everyone likes the 7.3 and so did I, but the 6.0's seems to be fillin the 7.3's shoes pretty good.

i have driven a 6.0 and it deffinatly ripped, i havnt had any long term experience but i have heard about lots of problems, i do know the 7.3 is indestructable

[bulkdriverlp]

good points, i was told by a 20 year ford tech that the powerstrokes head gaskets dont hold up to performance mods at all, but with a good motor like that who needs it. lol. i used to like gm products until the wife became office manager for the ford dealer, cant beat 250 over cost for used vehicles right? she leased an '06 with the 5.4 and you cant beat the outboard shocks. i can fly over washboard and the truck holds straight.

[deathman53]

Ford does sell a f-150 with a diseal motor as well as a ranger with diseal motor, they just don't sell them in the US. They used to sell 150-350's with diseals, that lasted only a few years. I have a 97 7.3 diseal, I love it, it rips and wil pull about anything.

[Kickstarts-suck]

Originally posted by stalefish_132
the new ford is even worse than the old grills, but maybe something like this would help ford sell a few more "Super" trucks.
quit hating on fords just don't post! :rolleyes:

yes they are putting a diesel motor in the F150 one day (land rover motor i think) It is supposed to get great gas mileage too

I had a thread on it but cant find it anymore.

[stalefish_132]

Originally posted by bulkdriverlp
i was told by a 20 year ford tech that the powerstrokes head gaskets dont hold up to performance mods at all, but with a good motor like that who needs it.

yeha my buddies brother had a 05 powerstroke with a edge chip and a exhaust and he went throught 2 headgaskets, fun thing about changing a headgasket on a ford diesel is the cab has to be lifted up to change them.

i cant even imagion what a pain it would be the work on a new 6.4, those things are packed in there so tight not even a mouse coudl work on one:blah:

[Ace Sixx]

Originally posted by deathman53
Ford does sell a f-150 with a diseal motor as well as a ranger with diseal motor, they just don't sell them in the US. They used to sell 150-350's with diseals, that lasted only a few years. I have a 97 7.3 diseal, I love it, it rips and wil pull about anything.

I work in an F-150 plant and we do not build diesels as of yet.

[hondardr4life]

They may have beefed up the Flower Poke, but it still will never touch a Chevy!!

[deathman53]

I know they sell them in europe and the ranger with a diseal also, my friend went to look at a f150 with a diseal motor about 3 years ago, it was around a 93 model. The lowest model I last seen they sell a diseal motor in is a f250(in the US). As many know, honda, yamaha, susuki, kawasaki, gas gas sells completley different models in europe than the US. Honda still makes 2 strokes(street legal) in europe, enduro and street bikes, same for yamaha also. Same goes for the car companies, they sell completely different models in europe.

[milehigh450r]

Ford couldn't get one turbo right with the 6.0, what makes you think this engine is going to be any better, we will have to wait and see.

It is getting bad with the emissions though, I'm pretty sure the ford has a dual tip exhaust, and they will void the freaking warranty if you change the exhaust tip! :eek2:

[killen them all]

thats sweet

[popo]

Originally posted by stalefish_132
your comparing a F450 to a GM 2500HD, comapre 3/4 ton to 3/4 ton.

2007 Ford F250 Super Duty
Maximum Payload: 3,200 lb.
Maximum Towing: 14,400 lb.

2007 GM Sierra 2500HD
Maximum Payload: 4,058 lb.
Maximum Towing:16,500 lb.

2007 Dodge Ram 2500
Maximum Payload: 3,230 lb.
Maximum Towing: 13,700 lb.

so there you have it, all three 3/4 ton's not 3/4 vs. 1-1/4 ton or what ever they rate the F450 at.



Thank You.

[nosliw]

i've had quite a bit more than the 'max' payload in my 2500hd. handles it fine. i need airbags though.

you have a dmax don't you popo? you ever go to dieselplace.com?

[Tater049]

i dont care what anyone says, i like the 450 alot. I think the ford is the best looking pickup but that new toyota tundra is coming close in looks.

[popo]

[i].

you have a dmax don't you popo? you ever go to dieselplace.com? [/B]

Yes

[bulkdriverlp]

*update*

local dealer just got one in yesterday, white. i cant wait to check it out sat. seems a bit early for an '08 being the end of january

[parkers30]

Originally posted by bulkdriverlp
*update*

local dealer just got one in yesterday, white. i cant wait to check it out sat. seems a bit early for an '08 being the end of january

I have been seeing them on the road for a while, you must be too far north in MI

Heck I saw a dump bed new body style Chevy on the highway a week ago, looks much better in person than in photos