global warming

[mxduner]

well all i'm gonna say is, it's only been a short time that the democrats have been in power and the global warming topic is at full steam.Good buy my fellow 2 strokes good buy my simple innexpensive fcr carb.:(

[sportraxkid]

I know they wont completly ban 2 strokes they will probley ban company's from selling them like they did 3 wheelers.

[TheFontMaster]

Me and some friends were talking about this earlier tonight. I don't think there is such a thing as global warming. I think that the earth is just going through a natural warming cycle. Nothing out of the ordinary, and nothing I'm concerned about.

[mxduner]

Originally posted by TheFontMaster
Me and some friends were talking about this earlier tonight. I don't think there is such a thing as global warming. I think that the earth is just going through a natural warming cycle. Nothing out of the ordinary, and nothing I'm concerned about. u bet it is but it will cost us big time$$$$$

[jokester]

ok I have a question for all of you people that think that global warming is cause by humans and machines blah blah blah whatever..... How is it that the polar ice caps melted way back when millions of years ago, and after they melted our earth went into the ice age?? so wouldn't that have to mean that global warming was going at full strength back then before man and their machines had a chance to be held reliable for the cause of global warming?

[honduh440]

my brother is a meterologist he says you lost your mind

[jokester]

Originally posted by honduh440
my brother is a meterologist he says you lost your mind

I lost my mind?? and how did I do that exactly??

[wicked13]

I like warm weather.:D

[jokester]

Originally posted by wicked13
I like warm weather.:D

me too.. I'm starting to get sick of all this cold freezing weather every single day!!!! it would be sooo nice to even have a day in the mid 50's.

Originally posted by jokester
me too.. I'm starting to get sick of all this cold freezing weather every single day!!!! it would be sooo nice to even have a day in the mid 50's.

Move to the north east! Its been 40-75 all winter.

[400EXTRA]

i heard that is is a cycle that the earth goes through every 100 years

[Ruby Soho]

i think that there is somewhat some global warming. its not effecting us that bad, but were still doing some damage. but i agree with the other people, the earth is going through its cycle pretty much

[quads14589]

i think the global warming is effecting us.last yr by now we had around 5 feet of snow total, and we got a snow storm that dumped 2 feet on us. the good ole days:p

[87250rxrider]

the weather here in the northeast has nothing to do with global warming. the cause of the unusually warm weather this winter is b/c of El Nino, not global warming.

[87250rxrider]

oh, and yes, the world is going through a cycle where the temps increase, but global warming is also affecting us, making the rate at which it it heats up much quicker, and the temperatures slightly higher.

[woodsman250r]

The thing about global warming is the temperature records timeline. They have only started keeping records of storms, temps, rainfall, snow ect. for about 100 years or so. Take the United States for example, prior to the Europeans coming to the Americas we have no idea what the weather was here. So with that being said its hard to really say what the average conditions were of that period compared to today. But it is probaly safe to think that the burning of fossil fuels, and other pollution has had some impact on the weather and changing patterns.

[Pappy]

Yesterday on the news they stated that the average global temp has increased .6 of a degree C. Add to that the fact that IMO the instruments used to monitor temps 125 years ago when they first started keeping records probably were not as accurate as they are today and you have what.....maybe just a slight chance that in the grand scheme of things they dont really know..lol


The earths weather patterns cycle and this is known to be fact, ofcourse they can not predict them very far into the futrure, but as computers and technology grow maybe they can and it will explain what is happening has jack spit to do with us for the most part.


IMO, this is all about the $$$. Even the local weather people are starting to use global warming to explain why we had the hottest January day recorded since 1902. Gee, I wonder why it was so warm in 1902, maybe the horses all had the farts that day

[Xater]

i dont beleve in global warming eather... did the dynosaurs drive too many 2 stroke to make the world warmer nope... was it global cooling durring the ice age? the world is just going through cycles. and i dont know how quads14589 thinks global warming is causing him to have less snow within one year? mabie its because on el nino, but the mid west has gotten hammered with snow this year. w/e what does it matter we wont be alive to be affected by anything.

[wilkin250r]

Back in the 80s, it was all about "Global Cooling" and we were headed for another ice age.

I don't beleive in global warming....cuz both Hillary Clinton and Rosie O'Donnel and big as a globe, and still cold as ice.


:p

[czrider263]

I don't know if i believe it.

I did watch a film that made some good points. The have drilled ice cores that have bubles in them from thousands of years ago. They can calculate the year and c02 percent with some high tech mumbo jumbo blah blah blah and they put it on a chart and they compared those levels with those today and you can clearly see a spike that is HUGE i mean the levels have gone up and down throught history but new levels are almost off the charts. Now you have to ask yourself if that then causes gloable temps incressing. IDK but i say that it can't be good in the long term. because a few degrees warmer and you can slow down the water currents. also higher temps that might be melting the ice caps might raise the water level. So i think we should do something and what is done isn't unreversible.

Here is a glacer that has melted
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/gwtippingpoint0326.jpg

and average temp on the north ice cap in 2002 and 2003
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/94383main_seaice03m.jpg

Not saying this a sure thing but there is some proof.

Just my 2 cents....

i dont buy into any of it, the world changes on its own, i dont think my banshee has an effect on any of it....i dont beleive in anything the tree huggers say..

[Pappy]

The icing on the cake for me was the movie by Al Gore.


Someone want to tell him that when you shoot a movie about global warming and how we need to make drastic changes, NOT to be filmed in the movie driving around in a Lincoln Town car:ermm:

[honda4life72]

well nobody mentioned that the ozon layer looks like swiss chesse right now and that the someone mention the ice caps melting but when they fully melt the sea level will rise 50 or so ft ....

nothing any of us can do about it...whatever happens, happens

[Pappy]

Originally posted by honda4life72
well nobody mentioned that the ozon layer looks like swiss chesse right now and that the someone mention the ice caps melting but when they fully melt the sea level will rise 50 or so ft ....

exactly how did it look 50,000 years ago?

if the seas did rise, it wouldnt be the first time now would it? You can follow Noah and his ark and that fable, or you can listen to the scientists explanation of why there are seashells on mountain tops.

global whatever could very well be 110% true, the problem I see with it is there are people that want to capitalize on it when they know damn well there is not a thing we can do if the earth decides to throw us a curveball. The dinosaurs didnt stand a chance, do you think we do:p

[Pappy]

Originally posted by czrider263


Here is a glacer that has melted


exactly what does a glacier do? it expands (grows in size) and contracts(melts) :p this has been going on since the dawn of time.

[AbnMP13]

Originally posted by Pappy
when they know damn well there is not a thing we can do if the earth decides to throw us a curveball. The dinosaurs didnt stand a chance, do you think we do:p

And the dinosaurs were WAY bigger than we are! LOL! :D

[Crazy Diamond]

I bought a cabin in the hills of PA at 2255 FT. in Feb. 2000. The snow was 4 feet deep. Every year since then there is less and less snow. 2 years ago it was up to my knees in Feb. Last year about a foot. Right now there is about 2 inches. So what gives? Did anyone see the Global Warming Special with Tom Brockaw? That was somewhat scary. They showed pics of the glacier fields and ice caps from like 80 years ago all the way thru up until the present. VERY considerable ice melts. There are also islands that people live on that the people have to keep raising their homes up to keep them out of the water during the high tides. These places had no water and now are covered with water daily. NYC will be like that soon.

[jokester]

Originally posted by Crazy Diamond
I bought a cabin in the hills of PA at 2255 FT. in Feb. 2000. The snow was 4 feet deep. Every year since then there is less and less snow. 2 years ago it was up to my knees in Feb. Last year about a foot. Right now there is about 2 inches. So what gives? Did anyone see the Global Warming Special with Tom Brockaw? That was somewhat scary. They showed pics of the glacier fields and ice caps from like 80 years ago all the way thru up until the present. VERY considerable ice melts. There are also islands that people live on that the people have to keep raising their homes up to keep them out of the water during the high tides. These places had no water and now are covered with water daily. NYC will be like that soon.

look I don't care how many tests or pictures they can show you from 80 or so years ago showing how the polar ice caps are melting and how the water is raising all over the world.... Because a long time before we were ever hear on this earth, before there were any machines that cause smog or whatever. The polar ice caps did infact melt over a long period of time, and they made the oceans, rivers, streams..blah blah blah rise. So we can argue all day over this, but the fact is that global warming or whatever you want to call it was here long before man/woman/machines were ever even on this earth. So therefor you cannot blame humans for the cause of global warming. Now I'm saying that their isn't a chance that we are helping it along or whatever, but if you look back over the history of time it shows that the warming of the earth is a natural cycle that it goes through.

[keller45]

Earth goes thru a Cycle.

The Gulf Stream brings warm water from the equator to the N. Atlantic. That's what keeps the world from freezing.

The ice caps melt from Volcanic gasses in the air and so on. A natural process by earth. We are only speeding it up. With our gasses.

When the Ice caps melt the cold water disprupts the Gulf Stream and stops it. Causing no warm water to be brought to the N. Atlantic so it freezes. Usally all the way to the Equator. Then Natural gases once again melt it down into something like we have today.

A natural proccess that's been happening for millions of years, Were only speeding it up.

What we should all be worried about is a Magnetic reversal where North becomes south then all electronics are screwed. lol

See what happens when you take a Earth Science class taught by a College Geography teacher.

[IOWAracer]

well its missing nw missouri cause its could here and snowing idk what to say but im gonna with its not warming up just yet

[troutman561]

Man all this ice melting this year and people having to move their houses up from the waterline... I better do that too because I live 3 miles from the ocean at sea level, ill probably move my house tomorrow... oh wait, there was record low sea ice this year.. how come the water didnt rise here? Im on the ocean quite often I see no difference.. People need to realize is mostly el nino causing this warmth.. but then again no one wants to accept that because its not cool enough I guess... Also, not only were the oceans once much higher than they are now, but also much lower.. So there are cycles as people have said, but once again thats not cool enough to believe... But anyways im going to go burn some tires and used oil and spray some hairspray from a 1970's arosol can into that fire....

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by keller45
Earth goes thru a Cycle.

The Gulf Stream brings warm water from the equator to the N. Atlantic. That's what keeps the world from freezing.

The ice caps melt from Volcanic gasses in the air and so on. A natural process by earth. We are only speeding it up. With our gasses.

When the Ice caps melt the cold water disprupts the Gulf Stream and stops it. Causing no warm water to be brought to the N. Atlantic so it freezes. Usally all the way to the Equator. Then Natural gases once again melt it down into something like we have today.

A natural proccess that's been happening for millions of years, Were only speeding it up.

What we should all be worried about is a Magnetic reversal where North becomes south then all electronics are screwed. lol

See what happens when you take a Earth Science class taught by a College Geography teacher.

I feel the same way..

Originally posted by Pappy
The icing on the cake for me was the movie by Al Gore.


Someone want to tell him that when you shoot a movie about global warming and how we need to make drastic changes, NOT to be filmed in the movie driving around in a Lincoln Town car:ermm:


heh heh....silly Al.

:devil:

[AbnMP13]

Isn't change good? :p

[Crazy Diamond]

Hey, I'm not *****in'! I like it hot! Unless there is snow on the ground for riding. I was just saying what I saw and I didn't say that WE were causing this. I was just sayin'.

[m4skinner]

Originally posted by Pappy
exactly how did it look 50,000 years ago?

if the seas did rise, it wouldnt be the first time now would it? You can follow Noah and his ark and that fable, or you can listen to the scientists explanation of why there are seashells on mountain tops.

Well lets see the earth is not 50,000 years old for one, unless you want to believe a scientist that can't prove anything.

And the bible is no fable.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by m4skinner
Well lets see the earth is not 50,000 years old for one, unless you want to believe a scientist that can't prove anything.

And the bible is no fable.


The bible is a book full of fables..lmao


and the earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old.

[m4skinner]

Originally posted by Pappy
The bible is a book full of fables..lmao


and the earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old.

And you found the facts on how old earth is where? a scientist ?

As for the Bible believe what you want because I'm sure you know it all because you have scientist and they really know everthing they write all kinds of book, and change them ever few years.

4.5 billion years what a joke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but like I said believe what you want.

[Pappy]

do you even have a fathom of what a fable is?

you have a bone to pick with anyone that doesnt believe what you believe and that is your choice, that however doesnt mean you are correct.


and where is your proof that it is not 4.5 billion years old, you seem to have knowledge above the rest of the lernered world.

[m4skinner]

Originally posted by Pappy
do you even have a fathom of what a fable is?

you have a bone to pick with anyone that doesnt believe what you believe and that is your choice, that however doesnt mean you are correct.


and where is your proof that it is not 4.5 billion years old, you seem to have knowledge above the rest of the lernered world.


Oh please tell me what a fable is.

And it don't mean I'm wrong either.

I don't need proof that it isn't 4.5 billion years old because there is no proof that it is.

This is a debate that has gone on for years and will for many more.

[Pappy]

Fable: a : a legendary story of supernatural happenings b : a narration intended to enforce a useful truth; especially : one in which animals speak and act like human beings


You seem to want to be quick to want everyone to not believe in a scientist and thier findings, but will use them to support this debate you speak of. The earth logically must be slightly older then its oldest found objects, which happen to be trace minerals, rocks etc, which have been aged in the 3.8 to 3.9 Billion age range. If you dont want to believe that this is accepted scientific fact then thats fine, but according to your earlier statement a scientist cant prove anything so therefore logic would dictate that they could not DISPROVE its age either.

By the way, how is living in a world that has been shaped by scientific finds treating you? I am assuming you allowed yourself and your children (if you have a family ofcourse) to be immunized with medication that was created by a scientist. Ever taken an asprin? Used a microwave? How about the ability to fly? Had surgery? Had a family member saved from medication developed to treat an illness?

[Mxjunkie]

dat der hillbilly know what hes talkin bout mmkay :bandit: :blah:

[Pappy]

Before someone jumps in here and says I am being hypocritical about global warming when I will rely on other scientific data, let me explain my position.

I do not believe in Global warming in respect to the fact that we can change the course of nature. I dont for a minute believe that we can cause the earths climate to shift with anything short of full nuclear use. I do believe that the weather is changing, but I tend to lean towards the natural phenomenon of the earths cyclitic patterns and dont choose to follow the "sky is falling" crowd.

I am open to any opinion, and would gladly make changes if it could be proven it would help. No one can deny the facts relating to smog and air quality in major cities, and I wish they would concentrate on that instead of trying to scare everyone to thinking the world is ending. If it is, then tell me how you stop it, because i dont believe we have that power.

[sammy5x]

Global warming is from all the chicks from the 80's using Aqua Net hair spray! :p

[keller45]

Actually scientist have proved the earth is 4.5 billions years old.

It's called Radioactive Dating where we measure the half lifes of different materials. Everything has a half life. Look it up

[AbnMP13]

Originally posted by Pappy
and the earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old.

Pappy knows cause he was here from the beginning! LMAO

j/k Pappy, I'm same age as you....

[jokester]

Originally posted by m4skinner
Well lets see the earth is not 50,000 years old for one, unless you want to believe a scientist that can't prove anything.

And the bible is no fable.

ok dude if you can prove to me without any type of doubt what so ever that the bible is not a fable. I will give everyone on this site $1 million dollars.. ohh also would you mind giving me some actual proof that the earth isn't older than 50,000 years while your at it...

[suzukigirl]

Originally posted by sammy5x
Global warming is from all the chicks from the 80's using Aqua Net hair spray! :p

lmao:p

[deathman53]

global warming has been going on for a long time. If gloabal warming wasn't going on, explain to me how caves were found on France underwater and when divers explored the caves, there was signs of human inhabitation. Same thing goes for on the yucitan peninsula, how are caves underwater that contain human artifacts and very obvoius inhabitation at one time.
I do believe we are speeding up warming, also the holes in the ozone, they don't cause the earth to be warmer, it becomes colder. The ozone traps the heat in, more uv light is allowed through with the huge holes in the ozone. All it takes is a few huge volcanic epurtion to bring the world to very cold again, the last time this happended was in the mid 1800's. There was record cold temperatures all over the world for the years following the eruption. All the volcanic dust and debri blocked the sun coming in, causing very cold temperatures.
What we are going through is a natural cycle what we are accelerating, to what degree we are accelearating it to, is a big matter of debate.
As for the bible, it was a book passed down by word of mouth for many years, then written down. There is different versions of every story for the bible and whole texts not written down. You ever hear of the "dead sea scrolls", they contain many different versions of bible stories and texts that contridiated what popular belief at the time was. The story of the great flood has alot in common with "the epic of gilgamesh(how ever its spelled)", many scholars believe that the Mesapetanain story was adapted to fit a teaching for christ beleives to make people think that if they didn't worship god, they were gonna die in a great flood.
The story of Mosas has alot in common with a mesapetaion story that is far older. Every plague, but the last one has a very rational reasoning and follows the cycle. Watch the discovery and history channel, you will learn alot of stuff that wasn't written down in the bible. I don't beleive in god and such, but the bible at one time was based on fact. Its just that the sotries of other civiizations was adapted to fit their belief and alot got exagerated and forgotten over time.
You ever had a dicussion in school, a story is told to the first person in the room and is re-told to every person in the room. By the time, the last person is told the story it is very different than the first person. This applies to the bible also.

[jokester]

^^^^ that was a good explanation

[deathman53]

a point I forgot to bring up is something we all call relate to. Go read a book about the american revolution, from a author from britan and america, you will have a similar story, but the story from america will paint the british as the bad guy and the story from the british person will paint the americans as un-willing to pay taxes and follow rules. Go ask a southern person their view on the civil war and ask a northern person, you will get 2 very different stories.

[Crazy Diamond]

What about all the Shuttle Missions? I would think that every time one of those blast through the atmosphere that it puts a whole in the ozone layer! Seems that every time they are going up the weather is messed up for a few days! I remember when the Columbia blew up and they didn't send any up for a few years that the weather seemed to be the way if should have been!

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Crazy Diamond
What about all the Shuttle Missions? I would think that every time one of those blast through the atmosphere that it puts a whole in the ozone layer! Seems that every time they are going up the weather is messed up for a few days! I remember when the Columbia blew up and they didn't send any up for a few years that the weather seemed to be the way if should have been!

I only pray your joking

[Crazy Diamond]

Pay attention to it! You'll see! They are going up all the time now. Could be part of the problem. But SCIENCE would never let THAT cat out of the bag! Your old enough to remember the shuttle Columbia explosion. How many years after that happened did we have normal weather? Its not just me. I've heard the old timers talk the same thing! They would now. They have been here 40+ more years than me or you!

[Mxjunkie]

wow were all doomed :p

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Crazy Diamond
Pay attention to it! You'll see! They are going up all the time now. Could be part of the problem. But SCIENCE would never let THAT cat out of the bag! Your old enough to remember the shuttle Columbia explosion. How many years after that happened did we have normal weather? Its not just me. I've heard the old timers talk the same thing! They would now. They have been here 40+ more years than me or you!

i guess this also explains the drought that hit this country at the turn of the 20th century? whats you thoughts on that, your intellect has peaked my morbid curiosity:chinese:

[Crazy Diamond]

"There's a fire in the sky! Prepare yourselves to die!"

If anyone knows the band those lyrics came from I'll send ya a cookie! LOL :D :D :D

[Crazy Diamond]

Why in OLD pictures from the early 1900's is there NO WEEDS growing in peoples yards, around fences or around there houses? They didn't have weed wackers then. What gives?

Originally posted by AbnMP13
And the dinosaurs were WAY bigger than we are! LOL! :D

Bigger than you maybe. :cool:

[Crazy Diamond]

The Arctic: Losing Its Cool

The Arctic is warming up faster than any other region. Because it plays a vital role in cooling the rest of the globe, the effects of this warming will be felt worldwide, not just on remote tundra.

Nineteenth-century explorer Fridtjof Nansen called the Arctic "nature's great ice temple," a place teeming with roaming polar bears and a forbidding landscape frozen since "the earliest dawn of time."

But today, one cannot venture far enough north to escape global warming. The region has heated up nearly twice as fast as the rest of the globe over the past 50 years, according to a 2004 study assessing climate change in the Arctic. Land-based ice such as glaciers, ice sheets and permafrost and floating ice are vanishing, and the ongoing thaw has profound ramifications for the rest of the world.

Arctic powers the "heat pump"
The Arctic is critical to the globe's climate and influence temperatures everywhere.

It sounds counter-intuitive, but the Arctic plays a primary role in distributing heat around the world through what is known as the "heat pump." The ocean's currents circulate heat throughout the world, through a system known as the "great conveyor belt." Two main forces keep the conveyor moving: winds and ocean density differences. The Arctic is key to the density differences.

The conveyor belt's critical points are where surface waters plunge into deep waters. This happens only in a few places, two of which are in the North Atlantic. As the ocean surface waters cool in the far north, they become denser and sink toward the bottom of the ocean. There, the cold water flows toward the equator. This combination of sinking and flow help drive the ocean conveyor.

Because the cold waters that flow south must be replaced, warm surface currents flow farther north and deliver warmth to places far north. Without the ocean conveyor's heat pump, Europe's temperate climate would be much colder.

Global warming is changing that key spot in the North Atlantic where the surface waters plunge. A mix of increased precipitation, river run-off and melting ice—all related to climate change—is making surface waters in the north less salty and dense, weakening a major pump in the ocean's natural circulation.

Arctic melt is speeding up warming
The loss of Arctic ice is also speeding up the Earth's warming because of its reflective properties. Ice acts like a mirror, bouncing sunlight back toward space and preventing the sunlight from heating the surface. Winds carry the cooler air down from Canada into the U.S., cooling our climate.

Open water and bare soil are not as bright as ice and snow, so they absorb heat instead of reflecting it. When ice melts, the darker surfaces are exposed and absorb more solar energy. This extra heat melts even more ice, which in turn exposes even more dark surfaces. This is what scientists call a positive feedback loop. Once the loop gets going, it tends to keep going—and to speed up. Less ice means less cooling much faster. Or, as the American Meteorological Society's senior scientist Susan Joy Hassol put it to U.S. senators in a committee hearing in 2004: "What we're looking at is having a less efficient air conditioner."

Loss of Arctic ice is not just speculation—it's already happening. 2003 brought a dramatic example of Arctic ice disappearing. The Ward Hunt Ice Shelf, the largest in the Arctic, broke in two, draining a unique freshwater lake that was home to a rare microbial ecosystem. Since the 1970s, 400,000 square miles of Arctic sea ice has disappeared. That's the size of Texas and California combined. (IPCC Third Assessment report) Even worse, the years 2002 through 2005 have all seen record or near-record low ice cover.

What this means for the rest of us
While the Arctic melt has profound effects on the region's people and ecosystems, it also spells trouble for the rest of the world. For instance, the changes to the ocean's circulation system mean that though some places will get much warmer, other places, such as Europe, which won't get the warmth from the Gulf Stream, will get much cooler.

One of the Arctic thaw's most profound effects on the world beyond the Arctic is sea-level rise. When glaciers melt and spill into the ocean, they raise sea levels around the globe. The booming cities and counties along the East and West coasts house half of the U.S. population and are among the communities that will be most threatened by melting ice.

Currently, the retreat of the world's glaciers is adding enormous amounts of fresh water to the ocean. Between 1961 and 1997, for instance, about 890 cubic miles of ice has been lost. That means that melting glacier ice has added approximately 980 trillion (or 979,994,261,211,428.5) gallons of water to the oceans. That would be like dumping more than a million Olympic-sized swimming pools into our oceans.

Some studies have even suggested the possibility that warming over the next several centuries would lead to the complete, irreversible disappearance of the Greenland ice sheet. Were that to occur, sea levels would rise an extra 23 feet.

"If we ignore the Arctic's warning—and it is warming—the polar bears and native Alaskans won't be the only ones who suffer," notes Environmental Defense scientist Dr. Bill Chameides. "Our children and grandchildren could pay a hefty price."

[sandmanblue]

Here are some interesting facts for you all to look up.

1) The average global temperature has only risen about 1 degree F over the last 100 years and this is +/- 0.2 degrees accuracy. This is very much in line with past centuries. We are still coming out of an Ice Age. Ya'd think somebody would have thought about that, huh?

2) Most of that 1 degree increase occurred in the first 50 years of the last century when CO2 levels had not increased all that much..

3) The rise of CO2 levels doesn't correspond to when the global temps increased - therefore, it is still obviously low enough to not be causing a measurable increase in global temperatures. There is no connection.

4) Ozone layer has nothing to do with global warming. Ozone is created in the upper atmosphere when UV light kits oxygen and creates O3 molecules. UV light is not heat, it is what causes sun burns and also what plants use to photosynthesis CO2 into oxygen. Holes in the ozone layer or a thinner ozone layer would allow for more plant growth and lower CO2 levels.


Do any of you see the contradictions here? Environmentalists claim that two things are happening, but they counteract each other. Holes in ozone layer = more UV light = more plant growth = more CO2 consumption. Cars and cows emit CO2, which plants need to grow. Higher levels of both CO2 and UV light make for faster growing plants. Plants also emit H2O vapor, which means it will rain more.

Last time I checked, when it rains, it cools things down.

This whole global warming BS is so full of nonsense that it makes me sick. The people pushing this idea upon us are relying on our own ignorance in order to further their personal ideas of how the planet should be run, and by whom.

If you look at who is behind a lot of this crap (Sierra Club, Center for Biological Diversity as examples), what you find is that liberal, environmental wackos with a thirst for money are selling this idea in order to make a buck and eventually force us all into being a bunch of tree huggers.


Knowledge is power, I urge all of you to look up the facts of CO2 levels as well as global temperature increases so that you can see for yourselves that there is no connection.

Global Warming, huh?

BTW - IT SNOWED IN PHOENIX TODAY!!!!!!

[troutman561]

If ice melts and falls off a glacier in the arctic, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?



Oh yea, in light of global warming the south park about smug and making fun of global warming just came on on comedy central...

[Crazy Diamond]

BTW - IT SNOWED IN PHOENIX TODAY!!!!!!

While the Arctic melt has profound effects on the region's people and ecosystems, it also spells trouble for the rest of the world. For instance, the changes to the ocean's circulation system mean that though some places will get much warmer, other places, such as Europe(or PHOENIX), which won't get the warmth from the Gulf Stream, will get much cooler(and SNOW).

[Quad18star]

LMAO @ the Earth being only 50 000 years old .

Take a drive north and I'll give you a tour of what an area looks like after it's been hit by a meteorite 10 kilometers wide travelling at 70 kilometers per hour 1.85 billion years ago .

The result was the formation of the Sudbury Basin ... also known as one of the largest nickel deposits in the world . If you want to see rock , this is the place to be ... there's more rock here than you'll ever see in your life . There's also the deepest mine in the world ... the mine shaft is now down 1.5 miles underground and the Neutrino Observatory . Very interesting City if you want to learn about the age of this earth !!!!

Here's a picture of the Sudbury Basin ... you can see it just left of the big lake . The crater is 100KMs wide and 15 KMs deep .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Sudbury_Crater.jpg

[armoks]

I watched a special on Discovery HD on the NW passage. The group that did it said "Man this hasn't been done since the 1800's, you can really see what Global Warming is doing to us!!"

Come ON!!! It hapenened in the 1800's it happened in the 40's Could you imagine what the Cavemen were thinking!! Global Warming is going to kill us!!


It's just a cycle that we go through, most are saying the warming we are having now is caused by fluctuations in the sun not what we are doing.

The U.S. went ape sh** on aresol cans and Cloro releases on our electro gen plants, but China is useing three times the fossil fues then we used and who's gonna stop them? I'll run my "dirty" Diesel and my gas guzzleing quad till I die. If you are an environmentalist and believe these things are going to kill us. then wipe you're *** with rocks and get you're AC with fans made of open windows on a windy day.

[armoks]

Quad18star, I've been up ther scary place because it looks like you are on Mars wild area but still good fishing!!!

[armoks]

here is a better pic of Sudbury. the red is all rock as far as the eye can see!!!!

[Crazy Diamond]

I like a good natural disaster is all I was saying! BRING IT ON MOTHER NATURE!!! LOL :devil: :devil: :devil: A little craziness in the environment might just give us more riding areas!!!

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[Quad18star]

Originally posted by armoks
Quad18star, I've been up ther scary place because it looks like you are on Mars wild area but still good fishing!!!

There's a reason why NASA came up here to test out their little gadgets and have their astronauts walk around .... the surface of our Sudbury Basin is pretty much identical to the surface of the Moon . I guess you could say I walk on "the moon" every day . :devil:

Can you imagine what it must have been like that day on earth when a 12 mile wide meteorite hit ?? :eek2: The hit was so powerful that it cracked the core of the earth and allowed all the magma to rise to the surface ... reason why this area is so rich in minerals . Scientist estimate it had the energy of 10 billion Hiroshima bombs . :macho

Where abouts did you go fishing while up in this area?

[Quad18star]

:devil:

[armoks]

Little more north then you guys, Duncan Lake and Horwood lake.

Beutifull country up there!

there was a simular hit in russia about 100 years ago but it blew up before it hit, took out trees for thousands of miles more then Mt. St Helans. the documentury's that are out on the subjects are realy eye opening.

BTW the most conclusive evidence that killed the dino's is the meteorite that made the Yucaton Peninsula in mexico!!!

[armoks]

Sweet place to live!!! great Walleye (I mean Pickeral) fishing up there!!

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by armoks
Little more north then you guys, Duncan Lake and Horwood lake.

Beutifull country up there!

there was a simular hit in russia about 100 years ago but it blew up before it hit, took out trees for thousands of miles more then Mt. St Helans. the documentury's that are out on the subjects are realy eye opening.

BTW the most conclusive evidence that killed the dino's is the meteorite that made the Yucaton Peninsula in mexico!!!

Ahh man ... that's awesome fishing up in that area ... that's about 3 hours north of us near Timmins ( my dad grew up in Timmins) . We have our cottage about an hour and half away from Horwood Lake . Duncan Lake is only about 35 minutes from our Cottage in Gowganda .

Our cottage is in Westree .. you can see it on the map .
http://www.horwoodlakelodge.com/map4.gif

If you're ever up in this area again , let me know . I'll show you some awesome fishing holes and won't charge you and arm and a leg like the Lodges do .

Here's Duncan Lake Camp's website .
http://www.duncanlakecamp.com/

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by armoks
Sweet place to live!!! great Walleye (I mean Pickeral) fishing up there!!

HAHAHA I see you learnt something while up here . We don't go Walleye fishing ... we go Pickerel fishing . :devil:

To keep on topic , if you're ever in Sudbury again , a must see attraction is Science North and Dynamic Earth . Science North has everything you can imagine about science .... lots of great history about the formation of this area , global warming research and facts , even a display of shatter-cones from when the meteorite hit , animals and lots more . You could spend 2 days just checking out the place . I used to work there and I still find it fascinating .

Dynamic Earth is another awesome attraction . It just recently went through an overhaul makeover and is well worth the money . It's an actual mine that you get to go down and see all the history of mining in our area . You get to do everything from play with a jackleg ( piece of mining equipment) , to take part in an underground production blast . If you've never been down into a mine before , this is an awesome experience . You get suited up in mining gear , hard hat , equipment , then they pack you into the cage like everyday miners do and drop you down a few hundred feet underground . You even get to walk away with a piece of ore , which if you smelted down , would become pure nickel . :blah: