Give me a BREAK! (Broken frame pics)

[Pappy]

I have been wanting to get some pics up for everyone of various spots alot of the different frames are cracking at.

Please, no bashing, I would like the pics spread around and used so that others can see what to look for and use as reference when they have thier frame gusseted!


Z400 Upper Frame rails snapped in half

[Pappy]

450R lower subframe mount

[Pappy]

450R

This is a new place I have been seeing cracks, just above the mount

[Pappy]

This is a pretty common spot on almost any frame, inside of the shock mount

[Pappy]

450R Main upper frame tube just behind the upper engine mount

[Pappy]

450R cross bar (where your front brake lines T connect mount)

those are breaks? i have like a bazillion of those on my quad, unless its not what i think and im seein things? lol wtf

[STEVENJANNA]

I have a few pics from last seasons YFZ I can put on for you.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
I have a few pics from last seasons YFZ I can put on for you. '

feel free!

[1fst400]

400ex front shock mount

[I-7]

Ouch :ermm:

Since we are on the subject about crack frames, does the 2005 YFZ have frame problems?

[STEVENJANNA]

Originally posted by Pappy
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feel free!
Sorry I thought I had them on my Attache. I'll post them tomorrow.

[Fred55]

2004 Predator frame

[stocktires]

Paps, what the most durable frame out right now out of the 4 Jap companies? Or is ther even a decently strong on in the bunch?

[Architects]

450r frame. Weld right on the shock tower

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/papertigers23/Picture107.jpg

[WhiteZrider]

This is wearing i broke my subframe, and id rather not say how i did it

[hartnett18]

lol howed you do it?^^

[JJs450r]

Originally posted by Pappy
450R Main upper frame tube just behind the upper engine mount

i believe it mines cracked here 2 times and is now starting to crack on the weld :-/

[hoser 400ex]

my frame......

[Pappy]

Originally posted by stocktires
Paps, what the most durable frame out right now out of the 4 Jap companies? Or is ther even a decently strong on in the bunch?

Right now it has to be the LTR. And that may be just because they have not been on the track long enough to show any big weaknesses.

The new Kawi has me skeert, simply because there will be few options to have it easily and properly repaired. I have my fingers crossed because I like what I have seen so far!

[winters126]

Originally posted by Pappy
Right now it has to be the LTR. And that may be just because they have not been on the track long enough to show any big weaknesses.

The new Kawi has me skeert, simply because there will be few options to have it easily and properly repaired. I have my fingers crossed because I like what I have seen so far!

I heard from pretty reliable sources that Josh Creamer has already been through 5-6 frames because he keeps breaking them....so, not so good news about the new kawi....bummer.

[rollie]

Originally posted by winters126
I heard from pretty reliable sources that Josh Creamer has already been through 5-6 frames because he keeps breaking them....so, not so good news about the new kawi....bummer.

i hope thats not true because creamer is amazingly smooth:ermm:

[WhiteZrider]

Originally posted by hartnett18
lol howed you do it?^^

4th gear wheelie, hit the grab bar hard and it just snapped

[YFZRB]

Originally posted by mjpridered10
those are breaks? i have like a bazillion of those on my quad, unless its not what i think and im seein things? lol

I gotta agree pappy those are pretty tough to spot. Is there a trick to finding these or just experience and knowing where to look

i'm really second guessing the gusset purchase I asked you about a while back.

Any particular spots on the YFZ? :confused:

[hsr]

Originally posted by winters126
I heard from pretty reliable sources that Josh Creamer has already been through 5-6 frames because he keeps breaking them....so, not so good news about the new kawi....bummer.


ehhhh, I'm not doubting you or your sources man , but i find this hard to believe! I don't want to make assumptions on a bike that hasn't been released yet, but I think Kawi did their homework on the frame. It appears to be built like a tank, but hopefully not all that heavy!

[Pappy]

Originally posted by YFZRB
I gotta agree pappy those are pretty tough to spot. Is there a trick to finding these or just experience and knowing where to look

i'm really second guessing the gusset purchase I asked you about a while back.

Any particular spots on the YFZ? :confused:

showing small cracks in pictures without a Macro lens is hard. Every picture I posted are most deffinatley cracks and I have already repaired them. Yes, expierence has shown me what to look for, I piss folks off all the time as I walk the pits and point out cracks in thier frames:ermm: And most of what I posted are with teh stock paint still on, when they return from stripping I tend to find even more!

a gusset kit is almost mandatory to slow down the rate of cracks. IT DOES NOT GARUNTEE THEY WONT STILL HAPPEN, but it does slow them down.

The yfz is pretty close to the 450R with the addition of the main frame tube roughly half way up where your boot runs the frame. (I have a few YFZ's at stripping that I will get pics of when they return)

[coolguy8769]

pappy did mine have any cracks in it? i looked over it but couldn't tell for sure. i know i have had two big crashes and am bound to have some, just wanna know where to look in the future

[Pappy]

None that I saw Jeff. I will post up some YFZ pics as I get them.

The best advice I can give is look for rust marks. Anyplace there is a crack will usually have rust form after a wash(dont confuse stress marks for cracks, those areas tend to flex and pop the factory paint and rust begins thereafter ie. around arm mounts, footpeg area etc)

and for anyone sending thier frame to get powdercoated, 99.9% of the shops will not give a hoot about your cracks, it is YOUR responsibilty so double and triple check for them and have them repaired before you take it to your place of choice. (frames, swing arms etc)

[FHKracingZ]

did mine have any pappy? Hahaha :D how many did you find?

[Pappy]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
did mine have any pappy? Hahaha :D how many did you find?

I honestly dont remember. I inspect them before blasting, weld them up. Re inspect them after blasting and again, weld them up. Even with checking and fixing them I have had to take them off the hanging rack before because i saw one crack i didnt see before. (powder room as great lighting...lol)

and I hope the report on the new kawi proves to be wrong, i dont like seeing any one or any manufacture having issues.

[suzukigirl]

just wondering but is cracking a big problem on the z-400

[Project300EX]

I'm curious about the 300ex frame. I've heard they're pretty strong.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by suzukigirl
just wondering but is cracking a big problem on the z-400

yes


as far as the 300ex, its about the same as all others of its era. usually the 300's arent pushed as hard but they do have thier weak spots

[bwamos]

Originally posted by winters126
I heard from pretty reliable sources that Josh Creamer has already been through 5-6 frames because he keeps breaking them....so, not so good news about the new kawi....bummer.

Hopefully that is jsut part of the prototype testing to finalize the frame design so they can reinforce the proper areas on the production model.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by bwamos
Hopefully that is jsut part of the prototype testing to finalize the frame design so they can reinforce the proper areas on the production model.

I doubt this close to release there will be any changes:(

[STEVENJANNA]

Here's some pics from the YFZ

[bradley300]

Originally posted by Pappy

as far as the 300ex, its about the same as all others of its era. usually the 300's arent pushed as hard but they do have thier weak spots

shifter side, where the engine box tubes meet behind the foot peg. the subframe will also twist pretty easy, so the subframe/main frame junction needs done, as well as the triangle were the upper and lower sub frame tubes meet, and along the very back connecting the right side to the left

[STEVENJANNA]

Upper motor mount

[STEVENJANNA]

This is the reason to gusset the hoop for the steering stem block.

[Architects]

those are some tiny cracks and would definitely be hard to spot!

[rollie]

Originally posted by bradley300
shifter side, where the engine box tubes meet behind the foot peg. the subframe will also twist pretty easy, so the subframe/main frame junction needs done, as well as the triangle were the upper and lower sub frame tubes meet, and along the very back connecting the right side to the left

Dont forget right near the Rear shock mount on that think tube, i cracked mine horribly there, no pics though:(

[Pappy]

Z400 right lower subframe mount

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Architects
those are some tiny cracks and would definitely be hard to spot!

You tend to get used to where to look:p

[trxwannbe]

i've been hearing the same thing about creamer's bikes that the frames are breaking left and right and thats pretty scary because creamer is beyond smooth

[300ex_#387]

Originally posted by rollie
Dont forget right near the Rear shock mount on that think tube, i cracked mine horribly there, no pics though:(

I know what you mean..:(

[rollie]

Yep that looks EXACTLY like mine did, i noticed mine 10 minutes before a arace and luckily the guy next to me happen to have a welder! hahaha and he welded it up for me and i didnt have any problems:cool: