Is this GSX worth it? (Dial-Uppers Beware)

[Rider-trx_250ex]

Now I found what it looks like to be a decent 1999 silver GSX for sale not too far from me. The guy selling it is the second owner and is selling it for an asking price of $16,000 because he needs the mony for a down payment on a house. He got it a year after it came out from a guy who a $80,000 year paycut. The original owner had several cars and needed to sell one of them, he had a supra, mr2, and rx-7 I think. He used it for back and forth driving to work. One recall was done that was needed to be on the control arm 2 years ago. The car now has 47,200 miles on it. He sayed the condition of the car is showroom condition and everything functions correctly and oil was changed every 3,000 miles but the timing belt never replaced. Plugs and wires replaced 2 years ago, new tires and brakes about 800 miles ago. And there is a minor scratch on the drivers seat of the all black interior from a comb that was in the original owners pocket. He said that he was a detailer and that he had put 10-12 coats of paint sealant on the car. Now anyone can say anything but I'm gonna go check it out in person. I know you can't tell what something is worth without seeing it in person but from what he said does this sound like a good deal?

I just got some pictures of the interior, exterior, and the engine of this car. Below is are the pictures if you have some spare time and can help me out. By the looks of it would you say it is worth what he is asking? Please no flaming, this is my dream car. Thanks, John

Here is what NADA says it's worth-
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And here's what KBB has it at-
Excellent-9,570
Good-8,940
Fair-8,140

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[outacontrol]

personally i think your nuts if you pay that for it. its 8 yrs old, and there is a reason the book says its worth half what he is asking. Its not a collector car so why does he think its worth so much more?
If you bought it for that and drove it home, and put a for sale sign in it, someone else is gonna tell you its only worth 10k. And if you put full coverage on it, and wreck it, insurance co will only give you book value!

[gun32boarder]

Wow an un-molested gsx. Personaly i don't think it is worth 16k. Hell get 4-5k more and you could get yourself a used evo, 350z, sti if you looked hard enough. If you can talk him down to like 11-13k, that seems to be the area for what they are going for.

[Rider-trx_250ex]

Originally posted by outacontrol
personally i think your nuts if you pay that for it. its 8 yrs old, and there is a reason the book says its worth half what he is asking. Its not a collector car so why does he think its worth so much more? If you bought it for that and drove it home, and put a for sale sign in it, someone else is gonna tell you its only worth 10k. And if you put full coverage on it, and wreck it, insurance co will only give you book value!

He told me that he is asking that much because of how he took care of it and the condition it is in.

[yellowzo3]

well KBB is telling you that if he took excellent care of it its worth $9500. not $16000. just because he thinks its worth that much doesnt mean it is. look at it like this...

Example: Hey guys im selling my 2005 Yfz450. its all stock. my asking price is $8500 because i took good care of it.

sound ridiculous? yes. like everyone else said, just save up a little more or even take $1600 and get a car thats newer.

[yfz48rdr]

I used to own a 97 GSX (bought in 99) It had 33k on it and was in immaculate cond. Bought from a dealer with a factory warranty for $11,000. I love the car, but there is no way in hell that that car is worth 16K, not trying to be a jerk, but just letting you know that you can get a nice GSX for a lot less. Being all stock is def. a plus,tho. It is hard to find an unmolested GSX, period.

[Mxjunkie]

You could buy 2 for the price of that.. :scary: hell you can find a wide range of cars for 16 grand that's night and day vs that.

[Architects]

Theres a saying. If your DSM ain't broke you are. Ive had 2 friends each with one. Both are on there second motor. There sweet cars when they run but wouldn't be my first choice and definately not worth 16k

[clutt225]

I would have to agree with the others so far. That is a good clean car but it is not worth double the book value. The book here in ont. says my tacoma is worth $9000 cnd in good condition.
should I ask 18,000 for it.
It will be geting traded soon, next month or so

[Rider-trx_250ex]

Originally posted by Architects
Theres a saying. If your DSM ain't broke you are. Ive had 2 friends each with one. Both are on there second motor. There sweet cars when they run but wouldn't be my first choice and definately not worth 16k

as long as the car is well taken care of and the proper maintance is performed they are reliable cars, different cars need different care

[mac450]

you could buy a used subaru for that bro... and not everyone has them like DSMs either

[stalefish_132]

that has got to be one of the cleanest DSM i've ever seen:eek2: no way in hell its worth 16000 tho, i'd keep looking there are lots of them out there.

[wishmasstir]

theres a sticker on the one door jam that says "rip off"

[N300exJ]

That car is nice. A mint second gen gsx is hard to come by. Its still not worth 16,000 though. Tell him 10,000 and if he still wont budge id say move on. you can get an 04/05 srt4 for less than that.

no way man. in 1999 you could get a new one for ~$22000. my mom looked at one in 03 and they were running like $21000

no way its worth 16. try 11g's at most. if not move on, you can get a lot of nice cars for $16000

[Project300EX]

He won't ever sell it for that. Most people are lucky to get blue book for a car. I have a '99 RS, btw so I'm not being biased. Also I found this suitable for the topic at hand.

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[Rider-trx_250ex]

Originally posted by Project300EX
He won't ever sell it for that. Most people are lucky to get blue book for a car. I have a '99 RS, btw so I'm not being biased. Also I found this suitable for the topic at hand.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/l337raceryo/crankwalk.jpg

crank walking is over-hyped and less than it's cracked up to be, I'm not worried about it

[whiteflash]

First off, don't go by what KBB says, KBB doesn't realize how rare these cars are in mint condition.

16k is a bit high even considering the mileage it has. If you have around 16k to spend on a car why don't you look at the WRX...just a thought.

That is probably the cleanest stock DSM i have ever seen, but not 16k. Maybe show him the KBB price,(even though it probably means nothing to him), and tell him this car is almost 10 years old which is getting up there. The highest I'd offer him.....12.5k.

Good luck

[whiteflash]

Originally posted by Rider-trx_250ex
crank walking is over-hyped and less than it's cracked up to be, I'm not worried about it

Ya, crankwalk is way over-rated....

**knock on wood

[Architects]

Both of my friends cars were maintained. One had a new motor at 55k the other at 100 something. They were driven pretty hard though.

[Project300EX]

Originally posted by Rider-trx_250ex
crank walking is over-hyped and less than it's cracked up to be, I'm not worried about it

If you say so. I've logged in some decent time on 2g forums and I can say that I've seen more problems than anything. Not saying they're bad cars. They just require some finesse. I can safely say I wouldn't trust one as my only car. Good luck though.

[Project300EX]

Originally posted by whiteflash
First off, don't go by what KBB says, KBB doesn't realize how rare these cars are in mint condition.

16k is a bit high even considering the mileage it has. If you have around 16k to spend on a car why don't you look at the WRX...just a thought.

That is probably the cleanest stock DSM i have ever seen, but not 16k. Maybe show him the KBB price,(even though it probably means nothing to him), and tell him this car is almost 10 years old which is getting up there. The highest I'd offer him.....12.5k.

Good luck

Sorry bud, but you're wrong on that. KBB does factor in the models/special editions in their prices. For example look up a '91 GMC Sonoma Syclone Edition. I just did to make it easy for you, the the PPV for an excellent one with 96000 miles was $10,450. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure they factor in pretty good, considering those are the only Sonomas of that age I see going in the 5 digit range. KBB is pretty close for all makes and models. The price listed is close.

[Raptor68]

I totally agree that it is not worth 16 grand. It is in really good condition, and one of the nicest I have seen, but definitely not worth that price...

[WhiteZrider]

I recently got the same car, but dam that one is so clean:huh

[MOFO]

$16k for that car????

...and your thinking about it?

All I can say is WOW. That car is NOT worth anything close to $16k.

[30liveStar]

dont buy that car (especially for anything over 10k).... this thread comes up on pretty much every forum once or twice a year, there is always a few diehard's but i doubt everyone is lying when they say those cars are the "throw-away" type ! Get a WRX - they are surprisingly fast. :macho

[BuiltBlaster88]

16 grand!! HAHAHHHAHA that is hilarious that you would even think of buying that blasted car..and if you don't think crankwalk can happen to you..think again buddy!!! It actually IS all that it's hyped up to be..don't worry. Right now I'm in the process of doing the 6 bolt swap on my 96 talon tsi...they are great cars when they are running..but damn are they finicky. The next car I get will be a mazda with a rotary in it...

[Project300EX]

Originally posted by BuiltBlaster88
The next car I get will be a mazda with a rotary in it...

Get ready for something even more "finicky" than your Talon.

[whiteflash]

Originally posted by Project300EX
Sorry bud, but you're wrong on that. KBB does factor in the models/special editions in their prices. For example look up a '91 GMC Sonoma Syclone Edition. I just did to make it easy for you, the the PPV for an excellent one with 96000 miles was $10,450. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure they factor in pretty good, considering those are the only Sonomas of that age I see going in the 5 digit range. KBB is pretty close for all makes and models. The price listed is close.

Funny, i thought we were talking GSX's not Sonoma's. It may be different for a Syclone, but were talking GSX's, and I was in the market for a GSX for at least 6 months and I'll tell you that a GSX like that could easily go for more than 9500, which is what KBB is saying. Most if not all GSX's in my area are going at least a few thousand over KBB.

[Project300EX]

Originally posted by whiteflash
Funny, i thought we were talking GSX's not Sonoma's. It may be different for a Syclone, but were talking GSX's, and I was in the market for a GSX for at least 6 months and I'll tell you that a GSX like that could easily go for more than 9500, which is what KBB is saying. Most if not all GSX's in my area are going at least a few thousand over KBB.

It's a comparison. You said KBB didn't take into the consideration the rarity of special models like the GSX. I proved you wrong by checking the value of a Sonoma Syclone and showing the big price jump over a regular Sonoma. I'm not saying they won't go for a bit more than that, but you have to take into consideration area has quite a bit to do with resale. The KBB is a generalized value. ;)

[whiteflash]

Originally posted by Project300EX
It's a comparison. You said KBB didn't take into the consideration the rarity of special models like the GSX. I proved you wrong by checking the value of a Sonoma Syclone and showing the big price jump over a regular Sonoma. I'm not saying they won't go for a bit more than that, but you have to take into consideration area has quite a bit to do with resale. The KBB is a generalized value. ;)

No, wrong. what i said was:

First off, don't go by what KBB says, KBB doesn't realize how rare these cars are in mint condition.

I never mentioned anything about any other special edition car such as the Sycone. I was talking about KBB and how they under-rated the GSX, not the Syclone or any other special edition car. Maybe KBB got the price right with the Syclone, just not the case with a well maintained GSX.

[Project300EX]

Originally posted by whiteflash
Maybe KBB got the price right with the Syclone, just not the case with a well maintained GSX.

Either way it seems like it's a matter of opinion. ;)

[MOFO]

Originally posted by whiteflash


First off, don't go by what KBB says, KBB doesn't realize how rare these cars are in mint condition.




LMAO... yea, only kids that don't know what they are doing realize they are rare and worth 16k!


KBB is market value... if you pay more than KBB, good luck when you go to resale the car, unless its a true collectors car - something you'll see at Barrett Jackson.

[whiteflash]

Originally posted by MOFO
LMAO... yea, only kids that don't know what they are doing realize they are rare and worth 16k!


KBB is market value... if you pay more than KBB, good luck when you go to resale the car, unless its a true collectors car - something you'll see at Barrett Jackson.

I never said it was worth 16 grand. What I did say was he could easily get 10-12k, which is significantly more than KBB.

I don't know how KBB rates other cars, nor do i care, but i will tell you from first hand experience that KBB under rates a well maintained GSX.

The problem is alot of the GSX's out there have had the crap beat out of them. But once in a while, an extremely clean one like this will turn up and will be able to get more than what KBB says. I speak for the well maintained GSX only.

So your saying, in order for a car to sell for more KBB, it has to be a collector car in Barrett-Jackson?....Ever heard of a Toyota Supra? 1993-1998 Supras can easily double what KBB says, and i haven't seen too many Supras in Barret-Jackson.....

[idro]

Wow, what happened to finding a GSX for under 10k? Guess im not an idiot after all. :rolleyes:

[sportraxkid]

Originally posted by MOFO
LMAO... yea, only kids that don't know what they are doing realize they are rare and worth 16k!


KBB is market value... if you pay more than KBB, good luck when you go to resale the car, unless its a true collectors car - something you'll see at Barrett Jackson.


Thats not allways true with alot of performance cars. Take a 5.0 5 speed 87-93 notchback mustang for instance. They will say they are worth like 3-3500 in excellent condition. I see clean original notchbacks sell for 7000 and up all the time!