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400EXTRA
12-29-2006, 08:37 AM
how muchpower does a stock 03 blaster have

12-29-2006, 10:22 AM
around 18 or 20

blasterfreak99
12-29-2006, 11:04 AM
does anyone know about how much hp would a 99 blaster with all te mods in my sig plus a 240 big bore with porting

400EXTRA
01-01-2007, 02:46 PM
my buddy just got a 240 kit for his dont know ho much hp though

blasterfreak99
01-02-2007, 07:21 PM
what kit is it and how does it compare to your 400ex. (i am assuming that you have one cuz of your screenname)

400EXTRA
03-12-2007, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by blasterfreak99
what kit is it and how does it compare to your 400ex. (i am assuming that you have one cuz of your screenname)

i dont know what kit, and i havent rid wth him yet because its down in missouri getting the kit in it

03-13-2007, 09:38 AM
i woould guess 36-42 hp for a 240 blaster, some of them can really get going

Mobile Dyno
03-14-2007, 08:04 AM
stock is about 18-21. With a 240 kit and piped is about 25-27hp...

03-14-2007, 09:25 AM
i remember hearing about 40HP 240 basters...so give or take a couple HP...a 25HP blaster can be done just with a pipe filer and rejet...2 strokes r easy to pump power out of...i bet itll be more powerful then a stock 400ex

ALAMX37
06-07-2007, 12:27 PM
we have a stock bore blaster that dyno'ed 38 hp on a mobile dyno. Of course it has extensive head and port work. It is fast enough to hang with a near stock r.

250r4life
06-07-2007, 12:52 PM
ya'll are some comedians...

36-42 for a blaster? it would be hard to come up with a half dozen in the nation that put that kind of HP out...


and a blaster with 38hp should be able to beat a near stock R, as that is much more power than a near stock R...

blasters with that kind of HP would scream- we gotta remember how light they are as well...


oh yah... my yfz is throwing down 80hp... mods in sig :devil:

06-07-2007, 04:34 PM
there are 60 hp blasters out there....i have seen 40HP 240 blasters...40 hp out of a 240 2 stroke isnt nothing crazy...

And yes a 240 blaster could beat a stock R, even hang with some stock banshee (acceleration wise, not top speed)

06-07-2007, 07:11 PM
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ctracing.com/NEW%2520240%2520CYL..gif&imgrefurl=http://www.ctracing.com/blaster.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=12&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=7p2O5GpGdp1_oM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3D240%2Bblaster%2Bdyno%26gbv%3D2%26svnu m%3D100%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG


well i guess if there are only 1/2 dozen, now you only have to look for 5, because my buddy has one putting out that kind of HP, and yes it is more powerful then a 400ex...

Stop being a comedian 250r4life

#22blaster240
06-09-2007, 08:59 AM
My blaster can keep up with and beat most 400exs and 250rs, but there is about $2500 in to my motor alone.

06-09-2007, 09:02 AM
of course a modded blaster can keep up with a 400ex and mild 250rs....When are people going to learn how much power can be made out of a 2 stroke?? Silly 450 riders

blasterfreak99
06-09-2007, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
of course a modded blaster can keep up with a 400ex and mild 250rs....When are people going to learn how much power can be made out of a 2 stroke?? Silly 450 riders

exactly. i put it all over a kfx400 the other day and absolutely stomped my friends 400ex. the kfx was stock except for a slipon and the 400ex had a hmf full system, uni airfilter, jetted, and aftermarket cdi(not sure what kind). i beat the ex by about 9-10 lengths and the kfx by about 4-5 lengths. and that was in a 500ft drag with the kfx and a 300 with the ex.

oh and 250r4life you have to consider the tq that a 450 puts out compared to a blaster. plus a 450s hp is right around 38.

06-10-2007, 10:01 AM
250r4life ya'll are some comedians...

you should really look in the mirror...35+ hp blasters are all over the place and easy to build ;)

Doak450r
06-10-2007, 02:02 PM
so you consider puttin 2500 dollars into a blaster motor to achieve 35hp easy to build.

#22blaster240
06-10-2007, 02:33 PM
My blaster has alot more than 35hp (43hp). The only reason it has $2500 into it is because we sent it to trenga first and they messed up so we sent it to ct after that.

06-10-2007, 05:36 PM
it can easily be done for under 2500...i would guess around 1500....Alot of blasters can really tear it up

250r4life
06-10-2007, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
of course a modded blaster can keep up with a 400ex and mild 250rs....When are people going to learn how much power can be made out of a 2 stroke?? Silly 450 riders

the only thing that is silly is how i would make you look if you and i were to line up...

and if my 450 only puts out 38hp, and there are 80hp blasters running around all over the place, then how come in all my time at the dunes (10+ trips each season) i've never seen a blaster be even remotely fast up the hill?

another example of how dyno charts are misleading...

06-11-2007, 10:02 AM
250r4life, i dont know if you would want to line up your 450 agenst me or your 250r??

Either way my banshee would eat up both of them, and yes i got the banshee for 1300 bucks, drag ported, pipes, reeds...somewhere in the 60+ hp range...dont even try it..that lil 450 wouldnt stand a change. I have already beat piped 450s, piped 700, 660s, and 265 Rs....

But dont get mad, its just the nature of the beast, those lil 450s cant compete with HP numbers with a 2 stroke....

My buddy 240 blaster is very quick. Faster then many 250rs and 400ex...he picked it up for under 2K also...pretty good deals out there as long as people can think outside of the box and not just buy the newest and most alien looking 450 out...how much did you spend on your 450? prolly around 7500 with the mods included...??

250r4life
06-11-2007, 10:16 AM
they just cant compare... youre right...

thats why i spent $150 on a filter, took out the baffle and off the airbox lid, and rejetted... and it would take well over $1k to make a banshee to be able to hang... and my bike would still handle much better, have much better suspension, and would be much more reliable...

06-11-2007, 10:59 AM
sorry i read it wrong, i thought you had a pipe, but you dont...it would just make it that much more of a pathedic race...

how much did you send on your 06 450 that might make, eh 41 hp??

a 06 450 should be around 7K new, after tax...7200-7300...then you have a filter and whatever another 150...that puts you at about 7400...then you also have tires and rims all around right? so your prolly lil under 8K...lol with the difference in the cost between our quad you could have put a downpayments on a new car or a house...i feel bad for you when you try and sell that 450 in a couple years and get 1/2 of what you put into it...maybe about 3500-4K if your lucky...

my banshee, got it for 1300, plastic not cracked, straight frame, razrs all around on polished rims, drag porting, piped, re jeted, clamp on filters, bored out carbs, milled head, weisco pistons...etc prolly realistically around 65 HP...and the best part is, i can ride it for a very long time and still easily get what i paid, if not ill make a few bucks.. :D not to mention all those 8K 450s i pass all the time

250r4life
06-11-2007, 11:07 AM
a pathetic race huh?

you'd probably be like 90% of the banshees i line up with... got all this money into them, and i still smoke them... i particularly enjoy smoking guys on banshees... and i leave that big ugly stock muffler on just so they know theyre getting beat by a stock bike...

actually i spent $5900 on my YFZ, and got the paddles and wheels all the way around for $200...
yep, i spent a bit more than you did, but i can also get quite a bit more out of my bike than what you can...

Gray33
06-11-2007, 11:08 AM
ya blasters are cheap i am selling my 04 for 2100 if any one is interseted sad to say i want a 450r tho...

250r4life
06-11-2007, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
yeah i know, but mine was in the low 70s...even the guy that did my port work said hes done dynos on shees just like my set up and it was always low 70s..

so it was low 70s, but now its prolly 65 hp... give it a few more months and we may get an actual figure...

06-11-2007, 11:14 AM
i dunno what it is aboutt hose 450s, i just cant get into them.. i rode a few of them and none seem to impress me and they are too boring to ride... The msot impressive 450 i ever rode was the RMZ...it had alot done to it, prolly around 9 grand suck into it, but yet still got blown away by the KX and CR 500s that can be picked up for 2-3 grand...it just dont make sense to pay 3 times as much and go slower...

06-11-2007, 11:15 AM
i took a few things off and sold them ;)

06-11-2007, 11:19 AM
i took a few things off the 02 shee and sold them, and put a few things on the 87...the 02 is going to the dealer to be sold, mostly stock... alot of people dont want a high HP banshee, too much power

06-11-2007, 11:21 AM
when i had my 02 shee all done up it was crazy, i was beating raptors 700 and 450s through the feilds without even using 6th gear...it was crazy fast, pulling a 16 front tooth sprocket and still being able to wheelie through all gears past those 450s....did i mention a few grand left in my bank account too?? :D

250r4life
06-11-2007, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
alot of people dont want a high HP banshee, too much power

lol... thats a joke...

too much work, not enough reliability!

dude... i have had a banshee and have access to a couple as well... dont get me wrong i love the ride of the banshee- there is nothing like it... theyre just too much work, and i hate being towed back to camp...

250r4life
06-11-2007, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
did i mention a few grand left in my bank account too?? :D

what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? between my quads and my trailer i've got over 20k tied up in going to the dunes... all paid for 100%... and i've still got more than a few grand left in the bank... what does that have to do with anything...

and you may do well in the fields... bring your banshee to the hill and see how it does...

06-11-2007, 11:41 AM
im talking about the average joe...he dont want a high HP banshee, its just too much...he would be much happier on a stock 400ex or 450...easy to ride, dont take much skill as far as clutching...i had my low 70 hp banshee running like that for years, not a single problem. The 87 i picked up making about 65 hp has been rebuilt once in 20 years. Banshees are the peoples choice. Inexpensive, fastest ride for the money and you always get off the thing with a smile across your face.

i feel bad to have 20K wrapped up in going to the dunes, knowing you wont get that money back. Hell i can build a house for about 30 grand, and a fairly big house for 40-50K :D


you never answered me, with everything how much money do you ahe into your lil 450??

250r4life
06-11-2007, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
im talking about the average joe...he dont want a high HP banshee, its just too much...he would be much happier on a stock 400ex or 450...easy to ride, dont take much skill as far as clutching...i had my low 70 hp banshee running like that for years, not a single problem. The 87 i picked up making about 65 hp has been rebuilt once in 20 years. Banshees are the peoples choice. Inexpensive, fastest ride for the money and you always get off the thing with a smile across your face.

i feel bad to have 20K wrapped up in going to the dunes, knowing you wont get that money back. Hell i can build a house for about 30 grand, and a fairly big house for 40-50K :D


you never answered me, with everything how much money do you ahe into your lil 450??

are you retarded? i told you... $5900 for the bike, $150 for the filter set up, $200 for the sand stars all the way around, and $11 for the oury grips... i had the jets from my 250r...

whatever dude... youre set in your ignorant ways and nothing will change that.... i dont know where youre at, but 50k wont even buy dirt here... again, this has nothing to do with anything... just as im sure i make considerably more $ than you do, but it has nothing to do with anything...

have fun with your J-arm banshee... im sure its killer!!!

250r4life
06-11-2007, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
Banshees are the peoples choice.

i dont know why i asked if youre retarded... i must have missed this confirmation...

06-11-2007, 01:25 PM
im sure you do make more money then me, but that dont give you a reason to blow it....lol

50 grand i can build a house around here, and you can get land for 5-20 all day, but it is just different areas...

and yes a 70 hp banshee is hard to sell because very few people can handle/want something that high powered. It is alot easier to sell a slower, weaker machine then a faster/stronger machine because there are more people in that market. Dont be mad because my 1300 dolalr banshee would put a spankin on your 6500 450....Have fun on your time bomb. Just wait for the motor to blow and youll be out a few more thousand, but hey you dont care about your money do you?

06-11-2007, 01:43 PM
you seriously think yur 38-40 hp 450 is going to beat my 65 hp ported, and piped banshee? and then you say i am retarded?? Someone needs to check this guys temp, something aint right with him...:D

for what you paid for that time bomb i could have 4-5 banshees....not to mention resale value

250r4life
06-11-2007, 01:51 PM
youre not too bright... and i no longer have the patience/desire to respond to you...

06-11-2007, 01:56 PM
id love to drag race you and your 450...itll be just another 450 my banshee will eat up

http://www.bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75873


another very impressive blaster...made 59 hp with just the motor! :D ;)

CHEVYZ
06-11-2007, 02:10 PM
Not trying to sound like an ***** or anything...but is this a common thing with Banshee owners? I swear, nearly every Banshee owner I have ever met-save for a few of my buddies-have the most uptight four-strokes suck attitude I have ever seen....I have literally pissed people off before that have lost to my 450. It really isn't that big of a deal....get what you like and be happy. Personally I cannot stand to own most two-strokes...hence the reason I own a 450.

BTW, is that Craig's Blaster? I talk to the guy all the time, and it is one of the fastest around....but the thing simply won't stay together. I guess if that is what your after, it's one hell of a ride...

CHEVYZ
06-11-2007, 02:14 PM
Here is a little video of that rocketship against some 450s....looks easy enough to drive? lol

http://www.cpcustoms.com/videos/blaster_chassis_vids/MOV00860.MPG

06-11-2007, 02:17 PM
i dont have a bad attitude towrads 450s, im just saying why i would never want to own one. they are time bombs, over priced, slow, 4 stroke, cost too much to maintain, and are just overall a rip off. I am just looking at the facts. they are wildly overpriced for what you get. they are boring to ride, compared to a banshee.

I do not get worked up over this. i dont wanna come across as an *******, its just i could imagine getting a 2007 450 and it WILL lose to my 87 banshee, but yet ill save thousands and when that 450 blows, my banshee will still be running strong with re-ring every other winter

06-11-2007, 02:19 PM
haha that guy was all over the place on that blaster... definatly has some balls to it!

250r4life
06-11-2007, 03:19 PM
how do you even mention the word fact in your posts...? do you even know what that word means?

you try and flip the script... you read what a couple guys write on here about highly modified 450s being time bombs, and you think it sounds intelligent, and so you keep repeating it... you act like the 450s are dropping like flys, blowing engines left and right...

the banshee is the one that is knowing for grenading periodically, not the 450... thats part of the reason i got rid of my banshee! i love how you try and tell me otherwise... guess what, i've owned a banshee... i've owned 2 strokes... in fact back in 2002 i had 3 banshees and one 250r sitting in my garage... i currently maintain my bosses banshee... i've been on both sides... im not some kid that is new to this sport and just got in with this new 450 rave...

i've rebuilt banshees... i've rebuilt a blaster.. i've rebuilt 250rs... im sure you'll say otherwise, but i doubt you have a whole lot of time on the YFZ... i dont give a damn about the other 450s, but the YFZ is one bad machine...

and you keep talking about a drags... anybody who wants to go fast for cheap, knows to get a banshee... nobody is arguing that... but there is a lot more to quads than dragging, so why do you keep bringing that up? that yfz suspension and handling is 10X better than what you have on either of your banshees...

06-11-2007, 04:59 PM
anybody who wants to go fast for cheap, knows to get a banshee... nobody is arguing that...

^^^ thats been my point through this whole thing, the banshee is one of the best quads to get for the average joe to go fast on. Not once did i mention suspension or handling on the banshee...are you retarded?


the 450s are time bombs. THEY ALL WILL BLOW UP, its just a matter of time, its like putting 6-7 grand out there and you know the wind will blow it all away, its just when is the wind gonna pick up? it could be 6 months from now, it could be 6 years, but sure enough the storm will come.

The reason i own a banshee is because of the rush it gives me and how inexpensive it is. I wouldnt get 65 hp out of any other quad and have it be as relieable, yes even a 450...

250r4life
06-11-2007, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
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the 450s are time bombs. THEY ALL WILL BLOW UP, its just a matter of time, its like putting 6-7 grand out there and you know the wind will blow it all away, its just when is the wind gonna pick up? it could be 6 months from now, it could be 6 years, but sure enough the storm will come.

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well every quad will probably blow up eventually... lol... are you retarded? 6 years from now? if my yfz blows up in 6 years... great... looks like i got my money's worth now didnt it...

banshees dont last 6 years...

and what makes you think theyre time bombs?

06-11-2007, 07:59 PM
6 years, the banshee is just getting broke in, my 87 is now 21 years old on the 2nd top end :D ( i know the 2 guys that had it before me and they bought it new)

the 450s have too high of compression...they wear out alot faster then your average 4 stroke (like a 400ex). The pancake piston is not a good idea to have in the long run. And RPMs hurt 4 strokes (like hours on a 2 stroke) and now you got these 4 stroke puttin out like 10-12 thousand RPMs, not good in the long run. But that is why all these big companys want everyone to switch over...even you said it "if it lasts 6 years i would have got my moneys worth" and then every 6 years all these customers will keep coming back. No 450 ATV is 6 years old yet, but yet some 450s out there that are only worth 3500, the motors blow and then itll be like 1500-2500 to fix...why bother when the quad is only worth so much? And thats only after 3-4 years...imagine 20

you own a 2006 yamaha 450, do you think that ATv will be in good working condition like my 87 banshee or 250r in the year 2026? I highly doubt it. Somewhere along the lines you will say "screw it, ill go buy a new one" It might be next year, or it might be 5 years from now, when the quad is only 6 years old. That is their plans with all these high compression 4 strokes. they run good for a lil while, but as soon as they get a lil bit old, and blow up. You might as well go get a new one.


How many YZ400s do you see around now?? what about the 426?? remmeber those 4 strokes, they came out in 98, and i think the 426 came out in 2000 or 2001...you dont see many around


Compare blowing the 4 strokes up to blowing up a banshee or 250r?? 150 dollar fix VS a couple grand...and yes ALL motors will blow up one day, its just the 2 strokes are so easy and cheap they are worth rebuilding, but in time these 4 strokes wont....

Agree or disagree? and why??

06-11-2007, 08:14 PM
Put aside the whole 125/250 and 250/450 thing...just look at HOW and WHY the 4 stroke motor was made. Then look at HOW and WHY the 2 stroke motor was made...

4 strokes are ment to be lower compression, last forever, smooth powerband, putting around, trail riders,heavy, low RPMs.

2 strokes were made for revving out high RPMs, light weight, cheap to work on, easy to work on, responds very well to mods, not for trail riders or putting around the yard.

They are making a 4 stroke do something it wasnt desighned to do. Yes it makes decent power but still a CR 250 walks all over a CRF250. The 2 stroke motor and desighn is not outdated like alot of people say. Make it a fair fight and 2 strokes win everytime.


dont get me wrong, i dont hate 4 strokes, id love to have a 400ex and keep it all stock and go trail riding. But i couldnt justify spending a few grand on a quad that i wouldnt use much and its just too boring 4 me

250r4life
06-12-2007, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Honda86



Compare blowing the 4 strokes up to blowing up a banshee or 250r?? 150 dollar fix VS a couple grand...and yes ALL motors will blow up one day, its just the 2 strokes are so easy and cheap they are worth rebuilding, but in time these 4 strokes wont....

Agree or disagree? and why??


dude... i love how you try and twist the facts to present your arguments... you show not an ounce of objectivity...

yah... i love how its always a $150 fix when the 2 strokes blow... i think youre a little confused...

my 250r blew i while back... the rod bearings went out and reaked havoc in my engine...

OEM crank assembly... $275
nikasil my cylinder... $200
new Wiseco Racer's choice piston... $125
Wrist Pin Bearing... $12
New Dome.... $60
New Gaskets.... $40
New O-Rings.... $25...

you do the math, but that is a lot more than $150... and that is the 250r, the banshee is even more as theyre 2 of everything to buy... trust me- i've rebuilt them too...

now im not denying that it would cost me more to rebuild my YFZ, but its not going to cost me 2k... and my bike is under warrantee for antother 4 years...

and i dont want to hear the "oh well i got a piston on ebay for $20, and i got gaskets on ebay for $10..." talk retail, as i could say "oh when my yfz blows i'll just buy another engine on ebay for $600"

250r4life
06-12-2007, 10:45 AM
and i love how you use the future for your arguments... "the 450s are time bombs- theyre all gunna blow..." k, well yah there are people with highly modded engines that blow periodically, and some people with the early additions have blown before they got the bugs worked out... but you have nothing but speculation that these quads arent going to keep running strong... PURE SPECULATION- plain and simple...

you read one article, by LA Sleeve i beleive, about the difference in costs between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke, and cuz you read soomething in favor of the 2 stroke you beleived it... by the same token that you cant beleive a lot of what you read about these 450s in dirthweels, cuz there full of shiz, the same applies to articles about the superiorty of the 2 stroke... gotta take everything with a grain of salt...

06-12-2007, 10:57 AM
all the 2 strokes i have seen blow up were under 200 bucks to fix, sure there are alwasy freak blow up on 2s and 4s, but generally speaking a 2 stroke is ALOT cheap to rebuild. I know guys that have rebuilt TONS of old 125s and they are still going strong.

Alot of these 450s are already blowing up, its just the way it is. these 450 motors are not your average 4 stroke relieable motor. They will blow up and i doubt your warranty will cover a modded motor (witch all racers have)

2 stroke size for size is still by far superior. its a shame they dont offer a line up of 265 pv 2 stroke quads...if they did you would see a ton of people switch over...


How many YZ400s are there around now days?? what about the 426??? you hardly see any 02 450 bikes anymore

250r4life
06-12-2007, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
all the 2 strokes i have seen blow up were under 200 bucks to fix, sure there are alwasy freak blow up on 2s and 4s, but generally speaking a 2 stroke is ALOT cheap to rebuild. I know guys that have rebuilt TONS of old 125s and they are still going strong.

Alot of these 450s are already blowing up, its just the way it is. these 450 motors are not your average 4 stroke relieable motor. They will blow up and i doubt your warranty will cover a modded motor (witch all racers have)

2 stroke size for size is still by far superior. its a shame they dont offer a line up of 265 pv 2 stroke quads...if they did you would see a ton of people switch over...


How many YZ400s are there around now days?? what about the 426??? you hardly see any 02 450 bikes anymore


you know guys huh? well, I, notice the word-I- have rebuilt several... i guess you must have a different/distorted view of blowing up...
my motor is not modded, so yes, my warranty will cover it... thats the thing, i win a majority of my races at the dunes on my yfz, and dont have anything done to it...
if you take a stock banshee, youre going to need pipes, filters, a phenominal port job or a bigger bore just to hang with my yfz on the hill... i dont need a modded engine... thats the beauty of it...

dude you just keep running around in circles... around and around... its a losing cause... your facts are distorted, your views partial, and youre not going after the truth- you simply want to argue your opinion, and you have to twist the facts to do so...

im with ya... if i could buy a 2007 honda 265r PV, i would... and i wouldnt mind spending $7k on it either... but its never going to happen... so instead i went and got the best quad on the market...

06-12-2007, 01:55 PM
if you take a stock banshee, youre going to need pipes, filters, a phenominal port job or a bigger bore just to hang with my yfz on the hill...

you cant be serious?? ive ran just piped banshees agenst 450s and beat them. And yes I have rebuilt 250rs, banshees, and 125s before too, the total rebuild was never over 200 bucks


but as far as these high compression 4 stroke motors. They dont last alot of years. You still see many 1999-2001 400ex going around but dont see any yz400 and 426s?? interesting isnt it?? You still see alot of 1997-2001 250 dirt bikes around, but not the early high compression 4 strokes...they are not shooving these 450s down our throats because of performance reasons, its all about $$$ and they know these 4 strokes will blow up in a few years and youll keep coming back

06-12-2007, 01:57 PM
a strong ported/piped banshee is in the 60 hp range (with it breathing well) 50% more hp then a stock 450, you have to be kidding me on that statment

06-12-2007, 02:01 PM
add carbs and reeds and your getting into the 80 hp range (main mods, ported, piped,reeds and carbs)

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=280717

But yet they are claiming a world record wit 70 HP out of a big bore 4 stroke

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290282

still about 10 hp difference, and the banshee still ahs alot more to go, the 4 stroke is maxed out basically

these 4 strokes are alot more expensive and you get less HP for your money, thats why i will never buy one

250r4life
06-12-2007, 03:21 PM
hey downs... there is a lot more to a bike than the dyno HP... especially peak HP...

bring a piped banshee with no engine work and i will toy with it on the hill...

and you like to talk about what bad investment they are... you talk about all this work that has been done to your banshees, so somebody, may not have been you, spent a lot of money on them... and yet you bought them for super cheap... sounds like they dont hold their value too well either now do they?

anything you buy new loses its value quicker than if you buy used...

you ride your ol POS 87 banshee, and i'll ride my yfz...

250r4life
06-12-2007, 03:24 PM
in all seriousness Honda86, you must not be a very intelligent human being... and im not trying to be smart, cute, clever, whatever... i really feel when it came to brains you got the short end of the stick...

i feel like i am arguing with a brick wall... man, i have no patience for ignorance...

06-12-2007, 03:42 PM
i dont get upset about these threads or anything, it think it is interesting to hear your side of the story. But to think you mostly stock 450 is going to beat a piped and ported banshee, your just out of your mind. not to mention the banshees and Lt500s rules the dunes.


do you still think your 450 would outrun a piped and ported banshee?? Banshee with that amount of work make some really good numbers and pull very hard. I have rode the 450s, and i have out ran them on banshees and 250rs...

BTW my 87 banshee is in excellent condition...most people mistake it for a 2000 or newer


I am not trying to get you to switch over to a 2 stroke, i know ill continue to ride my banshee and youll continue with your YFZ. When that yfz blows up and your out almost 6K youll go out and buy another one, then be 12K in the hole, while ill still be on my banshee having a blast....

Ride on bro!

250r4life
06-12-2007, 03:51 PM
dude... i dont get upset, i couldnt care less...im just here to mess around and have a good time, and cuz i enjoy talking about quads...

see... this is exactly what i am talking about... you "forget" that i come from 2 strokes... you forget that i had a banshee, my brother had 2, i have had several 250rs... i've been on both sides of the fence... i can take my boss's banshee out whenever i want...

a piped banshee is pretty much the same as a piped raptor 660- the incline of the hill determines who will win pretty much... again, i will absolutely toy with a stock banshee with just pipes and filters...

dont show me dyno charts- i dont care! i dont even bother taking my bikes to the dyno... i couldnt care less...

again... like talking to a brick wall...

250r4life
06-12-2007, 03:53 PM
man... i really need to start getting videos of racing the hill at the dunes...

06-12-2007, 04:02 PM
i liek to talk about quad too....


but your being the brick wall, i said piped and PORTED banshees....they really get with it...not to mention a piped and ported banshee would absolutly own your 450 in the fields and flats

I have rode both. I have had many toys over the years, rode many 450s and banshees... The banshee responds so much better to mods...your 450 wouldnt stand a chance up agenst a PIPED and PORTED banshee, even if it is a 87, or 2006

250r4life
06-12-2007, 04:25 PM
depends on the port job...

notice i said it would take a port job to hang with my yfz...
i will toy with a piped one, but for the piped and ported, well, it depends on the port...

this is me vs a raptor 700... in our group there were 2 banshees, one i know has port work and a good rider... and i was beating his just as bad if not worse...

250r4life
06-12-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by GPracer2500


Here's a short vid of me racing 250r4life on Comp Hill at Buttercup.. I was on my buddies Raptor 700 and he was on his YFZ450. I lost. I swear it would have been closer if not for the junky GBC Paddle Masters that were on the Raptor at the time (although I may have lost no matter what). :cool: I hate mentioning that but my pride demands it [wink]! Said another way--250r4life's drag racing skill will exploit any opponents weekness. So you better bring you A-game or he's gonna make you look silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOcpFAtBt8k

06-12-2007, 06:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEdSnEnDV0s&mode=related&search=


that would be you :D

seriously though what make you think your 42 hp 450 is gonna be able to keep up wth a 60+ hp banshee?? i still dont understand that part...i dont care how wide your powerband is, i got about another 50% power to use over you.

250r4life
06-12-2007, 06:29 PM
who says my YFZ has 42hp, and who says your banshee is up in the 60s?

neither of us have had them dyno'd, so....

considering i have enough money to have 3 quads and a travel trailer, it would be reasonable to assume i have the money to buy a pipe (among other things) if i so needed/wanted...

i dont... so far my yfz does just fine...

the fact that you put so much stock in dyno sheets shows how uninformed you are... there is a lot more than what comes out on the dyno...
for one, with you and most riders i am counting on rider ability compensating for a few HP... I ride sand, and that sand robs a lot of power off bikes that just have peak HP... they have a problem getting up there...

i've told you before that dyno sheets are misleading... and i know you're read before about my buddies raptor 700 that dyno'd at 55hp, and my 250r walked away from it... since youre the dyno expert, whata you figure my 250r is putting down? i have no idea...

250r4life
06-12-2007, 06:34 PM
a perfect example of all of this is the blasters that were talked about earlier... at the imperial sand dunes, there are thousands of bikes... and people drop thousands on their bikes...

i go to the dunes more than the average joe, and spend more time out in the dunes and at the hill more than the average joe as well...

i have seen hundreds of blasters down at the dunes, so it is pretty likley that there have been several blasters with that CT 240 package that puts out 42hp (i still think that is propaganda, but... for the the sake of argument lets say they really do make 42 hp)... well, you say my yfz puts down 42 hp on the dyno, and i have yet to see a blaster that i couldnt let get a 4-5 bike lead and wheelie by them before the top of the hill...

so supposedly we both have 42 hp, so how come my bike is twice as fast? riddle me this batman?

06-12-2007, 08:17 PM
with the raptor/250r battle, first off, i dont know the weight of either riders, the raptor guys could have on the heavy side, because we all know his quad is...Your 250r is probally somewhere in the upper 40s...and i doubt a piped raptor 700 is going to make 55, maybe 46-49...so your HP numbers are very close, but you have the weight adavtage...a 250r weighs about what? 320? and the raptor is near 400...thats 20-25% heavier, thats huge in a drag race...tires could be another issue, like i said i dont know what either was running...Another issue could be skill riders, you do have more experience then him in the sand...all of these checkmarks on your side can make it and esier race for you...

now for the CT240/yfz450 race... I do beleive many CT240s can make in the upper 30s, and peak a hp or 2 above 40, but they do not have as much tourque as your 450. The tourque on your machine will make it get out of the hole alot easier then a non PV 2 stroke... The weight obviously would go to the blaster, but another thing to consider is the tranny gear ratios. Blasters are considered beginner ATVs, for usually 11-14 year olds, they are not made for that high of HP and the tanny definallty isnt up to par of your pure race 450, but the HP is almost the same....Another thing to think about is tires, obviously and tire size, and whats even more important than that is gear ratio....your 450 could pull a higher rear taio then that 240 blaster could...and again skill has a major roll in this too, that guy on the blaster better know exactly when to shift...

My After you see so many dynos you can guesstimate within a couple hp about what your quad is making...you just can...a good piped, breathing banshee is about 49-54 hp (depends on pipe) and just a filtered, rejeted 450 should be a tad above 40...porting does alot on a 2 stroke, my 87 has almost the same mods as my 02 did, and my 02 definaly was in the lower 70s, so somewhere in the 60s for my 87 is a safe bet...i would guess about 62-66

But where i dont understand your side of the coin is when you say your 450 will beat my banshee in a drag?? now gear ratios are very close, The weight of both ATVs is very close, (assuming tires are the same), and i am not a heavy guy by any means, but yet when your ATV is at MAX power, mine is only at about 60-65% of its max power, there is just simply more power out of my banshee, its not an opinon....now break it down why you think your 450 would beat my banshee, i am interested

250r4life
06-13-2007, 10:28 AM
dude youre not teaching me anything i dont know...

that torque thing has something to do with it...

stranger things have happened...

obviously i dont know how the race would turn out... i've beaten plenty of ported banshees- it all depends on the port job... and the rider...

who knows...

06-13-2007, 11:32 AM
so supposedly we both have 42 hp, so how come my bike is twice as fast? riddle me this batman?

You ask so i answered...and your bike is not twice as fast BTW



250r4life dude youre not teaching me anything i dont know...


then why did you ask??:confused:

250r4life
06-13-2007, 11:45 AM
its called a rhetorical question...

250r4life
06-13-2007, 11:46 AM
im beginning to think you never even ride... you just sit and look at dyno sheets all day...

real world results out riding are different then what you read on the dyno.... have fun studying your dyno sheets...

06-13-2007, 11:52 AM
ive rode for a few hours ...but i do enjoy looking up info on any ATV or sled....even some dirt bike and PWC's

I like to do more then just quad riding, what do you like to do besides riding quads?

250r4life
06-13-2007, 12:31 PM
Ron Burgundy: I love poetry, and a glass of scotch, and, of course, my friend Baxter here.

pb_paulie_b
06-13-2007, 05:13 PM
Damn I thought I was looking at a thread about Blasters :)

06-14-2007, 05:24 AM
haha yeah, got a lil off topic....but blasters are cool lil quads.

06-14-2007, 09:49 AM
anyways back to the blasters, heres a cool video of the blaster Vs Z400, raptors and yfz 450

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=724259450

thats blaster really got with it!

pb_paulie_b
06-14-2007, 03:51 PM
Blasters look so tiny compared to the other quads. That pipe is ridiculous!
Weren't 450's invented because the 400's couldn't beat the 250's :D

moto04racing
06-14-2007, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by 250r4life
ya'll are some comedians...

36-42 for a blaster? it would be hard to come up with a half dozen in the nation that put that kind of HP out...


and a blaster with 38hp should be able to beat a near stock R, as that is much more power than a near stock R...

blasters with that kind of HP would scream- we gotta remember how light they are as well...


oh yah... my yfz is throwing down 80hp... mods in sig :devil:

funny. for 2200 including what i paid for it. my blaster is putting out 46hp. Mods in sig. And i guaruntee i can womp your 450. Oh **** wait. no thats right you got the baffle removed. Damn. Talking about 20000 into riding in the dunes and you dont even have a slip on. Have fun when you gotta dump 1500 into a rebuild when your drag racing a 2 stroke and blow it up.

moto04racing
06-14-2007, 05:03 PM
and im hoping to see 50 after porting. new carb and rebuild.

250r4life
06-14-2007, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by moto04racing
funny. for 2200 including what i paid for it. my blaster is putting out 46hp. Mods in sig. And i guaruntee i can womp your 450. Oh **** wait. no thats right you got the baffle removed. Damn. Talking about 20000 into riding in the dunes and you dont even have a slip on. Have fun when you gotta dump 1500 into a rebuild when your drag racing a 2 stroke and blow it up.

lol... ha ha ha ha...

86honda, now look what you did... now i have 15 year old kids telling me they will beat me on their blasters...

moto04racing... youre right... i dont have a slip on on the yfz... whata about the 250r- you gunna smoke that too? :D

i dont even have the baffle out yet on my raptor, and i will walk away from your blaster...

and just out of curiosity, are you a 11 year old boy or a 13 year old girl? i couldnt tell by the bikes in your sig...:huh

:devil:

ALAMX37
06-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Can I buy a bag of whatever the Fudge your smokin,your blaster doesn't hold a candle to a 450 I dont care what you have done. If you think it can then you might be borderline retarded.

06-14-2007, 08:15 PM
did you guys see the video of that blaster beating the raptor, Z400 and yes, a yfz 450??:p

The 450s are good bikes, i might get one if i could find it for a steal, but you do have to give credit to some of these blasters, they CAN be built to BEAT a yfz450, 450r and other bigger 4 strokes....

weather of not his blaser is making 46 hp, i dont know....but i do know 46 hp out a blaster motor can and HAS been done...some blaster motors can get to about 60 HP, beleive it or not

moto04racing
06-14-2007, 09:25 PM
actually 17 year old male. The i stopped riding my 80 a long time ago. and i guaruntee i can walk away from you rappy. and ill bet when i get my 310r ill walk away from all your machines.. in 3rd gear.

250r4life
06-15-2007, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by ALAMX37
Can I buy a bag of whatever the Fudge your smokin,your blaster doesn't hold a candle to a 450 I dont care what you have done. If you think it can then you might be borderline retarded.

borderline... that word is not needed here...

:devil:

250r4life
06-15-2007, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Honda86

weather of not his blaser is making 46 hp, i dont know....but i do know 46 hp out a blaster motor can and HAS been done...some blaster motors can get to about 60 HP, beleive it or not

dude... i've already gotten you to admit that there is more to it than peak HP on the dyno...

its going to take more than 46 hp blaster to beat a YFZ...

250r4life
06-15-2007, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by moto04racing
actually 17 year old male. The i stopped riding my 80 a long time ago. and i guaruntee i can walk away from you rappy. and ill bet when i get my 310r ill walk away from all your machines.. in 3rd gear.

i thought you were guaranteeing you could walk away from my YFZ, and now its only my raptor?

lets make things a little more fair- i'll race you on my 185 ;)

lol... "i bet when i get my 310r..." well WHEN that day comes, than you can say something... reputations are built on what youre going to do kid...

oh yah, oh yah... well, youre not very nice, and my dad is stronger than your dad...

250r4life
06-15-2007, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by moto04racing
actually 17 year old male.

had to go update your profile huh? :devil:

250r4life
06-15-2007, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by moto04racing
actually 17 year old male. .

but a week ago...


Originally posted by moto04racing
count me in 2 years from now when i can drive and sign my own *** up.

250r4life
06-15-2007, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by moto04racing
actually 17 year old male. The i stopped riding my 80 a long time ago. and i guaruntee i can walk away from you rappy. and ill bet when i get my 310r ill walk away from all your machines.. in 3rd gear.

but one month ago ("a long time ago")....


Originally posted by moto04racing
i had a bad crash on my 80 this weekend.. I was fully geared except i was wearing a t shirt instead of a jersey. But i washed out and went right over the bars. completley flipped. Landed about 14-16 feet from my bike and my dad said i was about 8 ft in the air.. Came down like i was diving into the water on my shoulder and head. Concussion but atleast i didnt break my skull. If i wasnt wearing a chest protector there would have been lots of breaks on the right side of my body.

250r4life
06-15-2007, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by moto04racing
actually 17 year old male. The i stopped riding my 80 a long time ago. and i guaruntee i can walk away from you rappy. and ill bet when i get my 310r ill walk away from all your machines.. in 3rd gear.

and ps... i wouldnt be bragging about beign 17 and riding a blaster- the older you are the worse it is... i would much rather be an 11 year old boy riding a blaster than a "17 year old male"

:devil:

06-15-2007, 12:44 PM
its going to take more than 46 hp blaster to beat a YFZ...

Ehh, it would be close. So many things come into effect that you cant FOR SURE say witch quad would win, but that 450 would have its work cut out agenst a mid 40 HP blaster....

Did you not see the video of that blaster beating the 400s, raptors, and 450??

It has been done and happens every now and then. You have a hard time admitting that because blasters are looked at as a childs quad, but that lil thing can be built to beat yamaha and hondas top ATV

250r4life
06-15-2007, 01:04 PM
gt thunder dyno of a yfz, with baffle removed and airbox lid off... no jetting changes...

06-15-2007, 01:09 PM
good number :D

It would be good comp between your yfz and a 40+ hp blaster....very interesting

250r4life
06-15-2007, 01:11 PM
i must admit- i was fooled... when you talked about torque, trannys, clutch, gear ratios, etc... i began to think that maybe you had somewhat of an idea what you were takling about, and knew something about bikes... and that some of your posts were just skewed due to your pro- 2 stroke attitude and your distaste for 4 strokes... i was wrong...

it is clear you have no idea what youre talking about.....

you sit there and talk about more peak HP ALL THE TIME! k... well if you'll look at the dyno chart, one is RPMs and the other is HP... so if for 80% of the RPMS one bike is making more power than the other bike, it is going to out accelerate the peaky bike...

lets compare the dyno sheet i just posted, similar to my bike, to that CT 240 you posted earlier...

HoresPower

RPM's YFZ Blaster
4k 17 8
5k 25 10
6k 33 17
7k 39 32
8k 44 38
9k 45 37
10k 43 26


if you'll notice at say 6k rpms, the YFZ is putting out twice as much HP as the blaster...

i still maintain that Dynos dont tell everything, but they tell more than what ya'll smart people look at...

and i know i dont have much done to my bike, but that pro design K&N flows much better than the stock filter, i have dialed my bike in jetting wise, and i also have to boyeson accelrator pump wich improves the throttle response and bottom to mid... so in theory my dyno would come out better than this one...

06-15-2007, 01:41 PM
This isnt a XC race man, your not spending the race at 3-6K RPMs. Your slaming the gears going WOT the whole time...silly :p

250r4life
06-15-2007, 01:49 PM
i realize that... but when you upshift, how high RPMS do you think youre at at the next gear?


the point is that yfz has the power up there a lot longer than the blaster does...

06-15-2007, 01:56 PM
thats a valid point, but on a good drag racer on a 2 stroke will keep the RPMs up where the power is...for example on that blaster, you dont ever see the RPMs drop dramatically, thats why drag racers could care less about bottom to mid, thats why drag porting is all top end...

Thats why 4 strokes have alwasy been better for trails then a 2 stroke (generally speaking)

06-15-2007, 02:01 PM
http://www.bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75873

compare it to that 59 hp blaster, from 6500 RPM to well, untill it cant rev anymore it is making more power then your 450 :D

How do you think your 450 would do up agenst that blaster?? are you gaining respect for these lil machines yet?? I sure hope so

06-15-2007, 02:15 PM
hard to admit youll get beat by a blaster huh.....Dont worry, your still a boy

pb_paulie_b
06-15-2007, 03:22 PM
I'll race your YFZ :D

250r4life
06-15-2007, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
http://www.bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75873

compare it to that 59 hp blaster, from 6500 RPM to well, untill it cant rev anymore it is making more power then your 450 :D

How do you think your 450 would do up agenst that blaster?? are you gaining respect for these lil machines yet?? I sure hope so

nope... not at all... blasters are a joke... no respect whatsoever...

that is one blaster, with a lot of money into it... the engine is over 50% bigger than what a normal blaster is and its a straight drag bike...

it didnt have the exact specs, but there wasnt a whole lot to that bike that was still a blaster...

250r4life
06-15-2007, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
hard to admit youll get beat by a blaster huh.....Dont worry, your still a boy

right... im several years older than you honda 86....


blasters are a joke- i cant even beleive we are discussing a blaster vs a yfz...

so what did yamaha replace this incredible beast of a machine with... oh thats right, a raptor 250...

ALAMX37
06-15-2007, 05:25 PM
Tell you what when you get your 310r you can race my Baldwin CRF and then maybe you'll understand the hype around 450's.
I go 60 hours in between rebuilds every time and have never had any issue with my CRF. 250r's are old news, fast but fading faster.

pb_paulie_b
06-15-2007, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by 250r4life
nope... not at all... blasters are a joke... no respect whatsoever...

Why do you have to hate on Blasters? They are cheap highly versatile quads with almost unlimited hop-up potential.
So you have a 450 and it's fast. Who doesn't have a fast 450?
Your 450 is not faster than all Blasters.

ALAMX37,
Don't make believe there's no matenence with a 450 and that you went 60 hours with out getting your hands dirty or shelling out cash.


Originally posted byBIGFAST450YZ
"That thing is gonna DESTROY 450's" " Man would I love to pull up to the line on a Blaster at the local atv park, that is marked at 300ft and 600ft (a little friendly drag race action) and just dust off the regular quik ones." theres a couple guys that fly, I do on the 07 YZ 250, but am yet to do it with a Blaster, "You are the man!"
The man quoted above has a fast 450 and He's talking about an even faster Blaster.....Mine

moto04racing
06-15-2007, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by 250r4life
but a week ago...

so i rode my 80. no ****. i havent updated my profile since i signed up. in december of 05. i cant also get my lisence til im 19 due to some problems with the law.

06-16-2007, 12:41 PM
Just face it, there are blasters out there that will beat 450s in drag races...

I am a banshee guy, and ill admit there are a few blasters ou there that would own a stock banshee. And i love those machines.

The 2 stroke motor has so much potential, you have to respect them. A blaster motor puts out about 18-20 hp but can be modded to 60!!! Thats triple stock!!

A banshee makes 38-40 hp stock, and can be modded to make over 120 HP!! TRIPLE of the stock HP numbers...

Now try and triple stock HP numbers with a 4 stroke. you dont see 120 hp 450s (without turbos or juice)

Could you take a raptor 250 and make 60 hp? Can you even take a 400ex and make 60 HP (without a turbo or nos)??

And now you say a quad that can add 200% of the stock HP numbers a joke??What is wrong with you? but the 450s are lucky to get 50% gains over stock and they are "oh so amazing"

The blaster motor acctually has more potential then a 400ex, witch was the "baddest" quad around for a while

moto04racing
06-16-2007, 04:45 PM
whatever though.. Ill be the bigger man and end the subject. I know what i said was true and personally dont care whether people believe me or not.

250r4life
06-16-2007, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
Just face it, there are blasters out there that will beat 450s in drag races...

I am a banshee guy, and ill admit there are a few blasters ou there that would own a stock banshee. And i love those machines.

The 2 stroke motor has so much potential, you have to respect them. A blaster motor puts out about 18-20 hp but can be modded to 60!!! Thats triple stock!!

A banshee makes 38-40 hp stock, and can be modded to make over 120 HP!! TRIPLE of the stock HP numbers...

Now try and triple stock HP numbers with a 4 stroke. you dont see 120 hp 450s (without turbos or juice)

Could you take a raptor 250 and make 60 hp? Can you even take a 400ex and make 60 HP (without a turbo or nos)??

And now you say a quad that can add 200% of the stock HP numbers a joke??What is wrong with you? but the 450s are lucky to get 50% gains over stock and they are "oh so amazing"

The blaster motor acctually has more potential then a 400ex, witch was the "baddest" quad around for a while

well if you start out with a hunk of shiz, its easy to better it by 100%... the yfz is just that bad right out of the box :devil:

yet another confirmation of your lack of intelligence... the 400ex was never the baddest quad around... ever!!!

06-16-2007, 07:38 PM
well if you start out with a hunk of shiz, its easy to better it by 100%... the yfz is just that bad right out of the box

Notice i also mentioned the potental of the banshee motor (about the same stock HP as a 450)..Why cant those 450 motors make 100-200% more hp then their stock numbers??

And no the 450s are not very bad out of the box, i acctually think that they are pretty boring to ride, but hey im used to modded banshee/CR250 power


And alot of people did consider the 400ex the best quad you could get for a lil while. I personally never thought so, i still beleive the best quad to buy is a 250r or banshee.

LT250_JOE
06-16-2007, 07:52 PM
AMEN!!!

GEE I WONDER WHY 250CC TWO STROKES HAD TO COMPETE WITH 450 4STROKES ON THE CIRCUIT???? WAS IT WEIGHT..... NOOOO, WAS IT THE RIDER......NOOOOO. IT WAS 2 STROKE HP!!!

HENCE THE TERM 2 STROKE VS 4 STROKE. COMPRESSION/EXHAUST AND POWER/INTAKE VS INTAKE....YAWN....COMPRESSION......YAWN.....POWER. ......YAWN....EXHAUST.


BREATHE THE SMOKE, SMELL THE SMOKE, ENJOY THE SMOKE.......

250r4life
06-16-2007, 09:47 PM
now if you had a trx250r you could say that....

however, you ride an LT 250r, and even if you could make those fast enough to win a race, they never last long enough to do so...

i imagine you could make them to where they were pretty fast.... for a half hour or so... but generally bikes with burnt up motors dont do too well... :devil:

06-17-2007, 08:00 AM
Notice i also mentioned the potental of the banshee motor (about the same stock HP as a 450)..Why cant those 450 motors make 100-200% more hp then their stock numbers??





now if you had a trx250r you could say that....

however, you ride an LT 250r, and even if you could make those fast enough to win a race, they never last long enough to do so...

i imagine you could make them to where they were pretty fast.... for a half hour or so... but generally bikes with burnt up motors dont do too well...


^^^pretty funny how you avoid answering my questions.

The Lt250r was an amazing bike! The later years had powervalves, and suzuki was on the right track to building the best ATV ever made, however the interest in the sport dropped so they droped the quad in 92. A nice built LT250r will beat your 450, just like those blasters out there.

Alot of people think the honda 250r was the most important quad in hi performance ATV history, and it was vry important, but the suzuki was there first and it won a ton of races also!

I remmeber a few years back a buddy of mine picked up a LT250r and that was when the raptors and DS650 came out. This guy with a raptor was talking a bunch of BS about his old LT...But once they lined up the raptors and DS didnt come close, not to mention he picked up his LT for 1800 while they spent about 6500-7200 on their 4 strokes, I laughed the rest of the day

250r4life
06-17-2007, 01:28 PM
honda86... in all sincerity- you are retarded...

#22blaster240
06-19-2007, 03:15 PM
Ok wasn't this thread about a blaster?

pb_paulie_b
06-19-2007, 04:39 PM
I think there was a total derailment.

cr977
06-25-2007, 07:30 AM
46hp, air cooled, 2 stroke, stock 15hp? i bet it seizes up the first hard ride you put it through. you have no way of cooling your bike.

pb_paulie_b
06-25-2007, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by cr977
46hp, air cooled, 2 stroke, stock 15hp? i bet it seizes up the first hard ride you put it through. you have no way of cooling your bike.
I'd take that bet and your money. There are plenty of full race drag Blasters that put out 46hp. Do you really think they are seizing up on a daily basis? You would probably be correct if there was trail riding involved.
Did you watch the video that was posted in this thread? Seems his quad was running fine race after race after race.

250r4life
06-25-2007, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by CHEVYZ
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BTW, is that Craig's Blaster? I talk to the guy all the time, and it is one of the fastest around....but the thing simply won't stay together. I guess if that is what your after, it's one hell of a ride... [/B]

yah... sounds like he has problems keeping it together now doesnt he?

pb_paulie_b
06-25-2007, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by 250rHater
yah... sounds like he has problems finding YFZ's he hasn't beat yet doesn't he???
FIXT :devil:

pb_paulie_b
06-25-2007, 05:32 PM
Here's a cool Blaster vid that should impress. And it's not Craig.
http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j156/lildiesel6075/?action=view&current=DSCF0537.flv

06-25-2007, 06:47 PM
a strong drag blaster would beat a stock yfz, acctually it would beat any stock quad around in a drag

KXRida
06-26-2007, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
there are 60 hp blasters out there....i have seen 40HP 240 blasters...40 hp out of a 240 2 stroke isnt nothing crazy...

And yes a 240 blaster could beat a stock R, even hang with some stock banshee (acceleration wise, not top speed)


yea maybe with an r1 engine in the frame.


I find it very hard to believe that a blaster can make more hp than most stock 250 2 stroke mx bikes. 250 mxers put out around 45 hp. Hell my little rm is maybe at 35 if I'm lucky and I spank the hell out of blasters all the time, but I do take into consideration that my bike is only about 1/3 as heavy. I was a former blaster owner and had a 240 kit on it. There is no way it made 40 hp. A safe 30-35 on a good day if you're lucky.

I remember way back when on blasterhq craig from CP customs did have one bad *** blaster though. Damn that thing moved.

haha, I still remember the whole hollywood dirt thing. haha good times on BHQ

06-27-2007, 09:13 AM
a good ported and bored 240 blaster should be pushing 40HP. Just a piped and rejetted blaster is already 25HP. The 2 stroke motor is so easy to get HP out of. so if you have a 25 HP blaster, then bore it out, get it ported, bigger carb, raise the compression, 100+ octane, lighten flywheel, advance the timing, you dont think you can get 15 hp out of all the rest of those mods on a 2 stroke?? :confused:

x rider1291
07-22-2007, 09:40 PM
i have one question...why is that every time someone even speaks of something that would imply a 450 is getting beat u get a whole bunch of 450 riders saying thats BS or it can never happen...give it up guys...there not unbeatable

07-24-2007, 03:59 PM
yeah 450s are quick but not by any means the fastest quads/bikes around, but some 450 can run pretty good for a 4 stroke

06YFZ450SE
08-02-2007, 10:20 PM
I Have a YFZ450 in a work in prosses. I'd Like to Line up with that Banshee when Iam done. here are the mods its gonna have there order just waiting on fedex to bring them.

Oh Ya I paid 5,599 for my 06 SE.

MODS nows
DrD Pipe-300
Cam Mod-Free
15 tooth front sproket-15.00
Jets-4.00 each
fuel screw-19.99
power now's-99.99
Ported Carb to41.5mm-75.00
Lid Off-free
UNI Filter-25.00
Boyesen Acclerator pump cover-100.00

In the mail and getting ready.
480cc-525cc Big Bore Kit-625.00
13.5:1 CP Piston-250.00
Web Cams400.00
Ported and polished Head.200
Bigger Values150.00-250.00
Magnum MX-Pro Clutch kit-74.90

Iam doing a ball park figure around 7,941 In my YFZ450

Iam going to have around 2,326.90 in motor/exhaust.

08-03-2007, 04:53 AM
witch banshee are you talking about?? this is about blasters

06YFZ450SE
08-03-2007, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
witch banshee are you talking about?? this is about blasters

I now it is but the guy that said he has a 20 year old banshee with 65-70 HP. But I t will probally never happen becuz I live far away from the guy. Iam woundering what kind of HP iam gonna see.

08-03-2007, 07:44 AM
oh ur talkin about my shee...umm i dunno how much power you would get out of all those mods...get it all done up and put it down on the dyno. Thats alot of money wraped up into a quad tho. 7-8K into a quad is alot..my 87 shee has is about 1800, im sure it would be a close race

06YFZ450SE
08-03-2007, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
oh ur talkin about my shee...umm i dunno how much power you would get out of all those mods...get it all done up and put it down on the dyno. Thats alot of money wraped up into a quad tho. 7-8K into a quad is alot..my 87 shee has is about 1800, im sure it would be a close race

My goal is 55-60 HP when Iam done with the YFZ. Next is front suspension and rear axle. +2-+4" wider. Ya iam going to take it to Moble Dyno in culpeper when iam done. Iam doing a drag framed quad too with a 750cc Motor,

250r4life
08-03-2007, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Honda86
oh ur talkin about my shee...umm i dunno how much power you would get out of all those mods...get it all done up and put it down on the dyno. Thats alot of money wraped up into a quad tho. 7-8K into a quad is alot..my 87 shee has is about 1800, im sure it would be a close race

no- your banshee has a lot more than $1800 wrapped up in it... you bought it after it was done, so you may not have more than that wrapped up in it, but the bike does...

you never get out of them what you put into them when you mod them out... the guy who sold it to you lost a lot of money on it, as would this guy if he was to sell his YFZ after putting all that money into it...

06YFZ450SE
08-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by 250r4life
no- your banshee has a lot more than $1800 wrapped up in it... you bought it after it was done, so you may not have more than that wrapped up in it, but the bike does...

you never get out of them what you put into them when you mod them out... the guy who sold it to you lost a lot of money on it, as would this guy if he was to sell his YFZ after putting all that money into it...

I dont plan on selling my YFZ any time in the near future.I like this Quad alot. If it Blows up I'll get a new motor and put on the frame. and if the frame bends or cracks I'll get an aftermarket frame.

08-03-2007, 01:43 PM
All quads are money pits, just some more then others....if your going to mod out a quad you might as well keep it forever and do everything right the first time. When things break you might as well fix them the right way and dont even bother to look at the new models with minor changes

06YFZ450SE
08-03-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Honda86
All quads are money pits, just some more then others....if your going to mod out a quad you might as well keep it forever and do everything right the first time. When things break you might as well fix them the right way and dont even bother to look at the new models with minor changes

Yup the only really thing they can change to make the YFZ better is make it wide like the LT-R is stock and make it fuel Injection I like carbs better tho cheaper than fuel injection.

08-03-2007, 02:03 PM
EFI is nothing great unless you ride all different altitudes and temps. The YFZ could be a bit wider but that isnt a huge issue, its a good bike in stock form.

250r4life
08-03-2007, 04:28 PM
i really hope they dont go to EFI, although im afraid they will...
the avg joe consumer wants EFI, and he doesnt even know why...

08-04-2007, 09:36 AM
yeah give it a few more years and you wont be able to buy any high performance carb quad or bike...I think they should have it be a choice from the dealer. Not everyone wants EFI