A-Arm Buyers Guide!! Post Pics of A-arms

[Evan]

What we need is a a-arm buyers guide. What I think would be best is a closeup of the ball joints and arms and how they mount. Post Pics if you have them. Heres my Lonestars,,, my complaints
-Locknuts are a pain to take on and off.
-Studs seem small and can bend if just a bit too far out
-Grease doesnt stay in rubber boots, gets all over everything
-Powdercoat doesnt last
-Not worth the price paid

Pluses
-Well built
-adjustable camber and caster
-grease zerks to keep it greased

Check out some elka quadrate and houser lt arms here 19" longtravel link (http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=231715#post231715)

[redrizza]

Herrman 400ex +2 arms with red-vein powder coat.

[ChadEXer]

HOUSERS!!

[oldnumberseven]

Here are a set of TBD's. They are built well.....I just wish they had zerks.

[lil400exman]

cris i luv that 400ex since mine is stok too maybe we can do a trade no wait mine has some mods too soo i think it will be really even ok?:blah :devil :D ;) :eek: :macho :huh

[racerx573]

HSD Racing. www.hsdracing.com They are the same as Houser pretty much, just a lil less $$$$ I think, got my whole front end (a-arms, elka ssd triple rate dual adjusts, brake lines) For $1353. You can also see my quad on the HSD site under the 250R/400EX a-arm page. If you talk to Mark, tell them Jason Zittel sent you.

Houser racing..

[Ex_Rider43]

I want to have informations about merrell extreme a-arms.I know that someone here got them and I want to know the price and the quality

[Bean]

im sellin my laegers for them at the end of the year, danny (merrell) comes out to some of the races here, he lives close to here, and i hav talked to him alot about his stuff, he is a reall good guy, i belive his arms are as good as roll's, his swaybar mounts mount on the top arm, which looks kinda wierd, but they are some of the nicest arms availible, not sure if he powdercoates em, i know they chrome em, heres the site if u wana check it out www.merrellextreme.com

[out4sand]

Here is a set of +2 Burgards. They fit well and went on easy. The only part that I don't like is that the ball joints are just bare so I had to hand paint them to keep them from rusting....that darn salt water air just eats stuff up.

[Dave400ex]

Anybody on here have Pictures of Laeger, Roll, Gibson, Burgard, Arens, or Walsh A-Arms? We need to get Opinions of all the A-Arms and Pictures so we can just put this in the FAQ Forum. Also need to do the same for Shocks, Swingarms, and Steering Stems.

[out4sand]

Here is an LSR Anti-Vibe steering stem. It's so much stronger then stock and the anti-vibe part works very well! It's not hard to install but you do have to disassemble the entire front end of the quad to put it on.

[Bean]

Laeger +2+1 chromes

[Bean]

bad pic, this ones a lil better, my best one it to big

[400exRacerX]

Houser's

400exRacerX Houser's

Curious how the chrome finish is on yours? They were on b/o (till like dec) when I ordered mine and they said something about problems with the chrome.

I want the chrome tops so bad.

[Big - D Racing]

Herrmann +2"

[LRD_27]

Originally posted by Big - D Racing
Herrmann +2"

Hey Big - D Racing do you have any pic of your 400 looking very sweet

[400exRacerX]

I have had them since the beginning of March and beat the piss out of them and they are still mint.

[Big - D Racing]

I take it you mean jumping pics, I've tried to take pics of me jumping it, but my digital camera takes like 3 secs. after you push the button to take the picture. All the pics, I had taken either were a partial pic or I wasn't in the pic at all. We've even tried to time the pic by pushing the button early, didn't work. I'm getting a more high end camera soon that hopefully will be able to take some good action pics. Here is a pic of it looking sweet sitting in my yard:

[Bean]

i like that

[ChadEXer]

Hey Big D,
Did you just polish your motor up?? What did you use?? That looks good! been wondering what to do to make my motor stand out as much as the rest of my bike but didnt really know!

[Big - D Racing]

I took my side cases off and took them to a place that polishes fine silveware up to make it look like new, it cost me like $50 for each side. They did it with commercial machines. I didn't want to attempt to do it myself.

[2k2-300exnj]

no roll!? i love these arms it isnt my bike though it is my uncles but he likes them a lot but as of rite now the tire rod end snapped

[2k2-300exnj]

and the front

[Big - D Racing]

ROLL DESIGN ARE THE BADDEST ARMS ON THE MARKET. DON'T SEE TOO MANY OF THEM ON BIKES OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SPONSORED BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO THE MOST EXPENSIVE. $2500 with axis shocks.

[2k2-300exnj]

those are axis triple rate fully adjust able under those cover talk about a smooth ride man!

[Mxbubs]

And finally the best bang for the buck, and probably the best out there. The Herrmann's +3 long travels for 19" shocks. *NOTE* No ball joint stud on the top a-arm like the housers, the merrells, or the Lobo II's.

[RoostinOna400ex]

Here is Herrmann +2 a-arms. Have NO comlaints about these things!!

[RoostinOna400ex]

Here is a Herrmann +1 anti vibe sterring stem. I love this thing have crashes some hard crashes and it still straight!!

[honda400exrider]

nice feeet:huh :huh lol jk, u guys are making me so jealous, lol. im getting peps and then prob hermann arms so ill post pics when i get them.

[RoostinOna400ex]

sexy huh!! LOL here is my quad

[RoostinOna400ex]

sexy huh!! LOL here is my quad

[Dave400ex]

Has anybody had a Herrmann Swingarm? How do those hold up?

[RoostinOna400ex]

Thats next on my when I get some money along with a herrmann sub frame!! I really want one a swing arm. They long REALLY strong and they nice lookin!! ALL his other products are awesome so i wouldnt doubt that his swing arms awesome too!! I would get one if you have any problems just talk to Brad he will help you!! If something goes wrong he wont just act like it was your fault, he is a good buisness mad!!

[Dave400ex]

I was justing wanting to know. When I get stuff for my 400 it will be between Houser and Herrmann. Herrmann makes a Sub Frame for the 400? How much are those?

[RoostinOna400ex]

Sorry my typin sucks let me try that again!! Forgot to read over it!

Thats next on my list when I get some money along with a Herrmann sub frame!! I really want a swing arm. They long REALLY strong and they are really nice lookin!! ALL his other products are awesome so i wouldnt doubt that his swing arms awesome too!! I would get one if you have any problems just talk to Brad he will help you!! If something goes wrong he wont just act like it was your fault, he is a good buisness man!!

[redrizza]

Broke my stock swingarm last weekend practicing. Should have my new Herrman swingarm here by Wendsday. I'll post some pics and let you guys know what I think.

[RoostinOna400ex]

Good choice on the swing arm!!.... Yea there is one on his racing frome so unless his racing frame is different from a stock frame then I dont see why he wouldnt make one!!

[Dave400ex]

Oh I thought the Frame was for a 250r so it would be a different SubFrame. If they have Email I will have to Email him and ask about it.

[DMC mx400ex]

HEY GUY,,

IF U WANT A GOOD DEAL ON SHOX AND A-ARMS CONTACT J.D. PEROFRMANCE... I AM GETTING THEIR A-ARMS(+2) AND SOME ELKA TRIPPLE RATE SHOCKS NO REZ, RIDE HEIGHT ADJUSTABILITY, AND 0 PRELOAD. IMM GETTING ALL OF THIS SHIPPED OT ME FROM CALIFORNIA TO ME(NJ) FOR 930!!!!

[Mxbubs]

As of 3 months ago, Brad had told me he wasnt going to build a 400ex subframe, I offered him 500$ just to do me one, he said he didnt have time to do the Research and Development and wasnt planning on doing them. I ended up with a stinking lonestar. There was a guy selling some on ebay, a no name brand, but it looked better than the lonestar,his was chromed with a buy it now price of 400$! Not bad. Tom Miller Motorsports builds them, but he is in the business of ripping you one, he wants 500$ with a plain powdercoat, and ECATV has a guy that build them.

[Extremeracer167]

Look into a Janssen Racing swingarm. I just got mine last week. +1 1/4 and i love it. Talk to Joel or Wes, they will both ehlp u out. Its a new syle swingarm its an oval tube but supposed to be alot stronger then square tubed swingarms. And this thing is HEAVY DUTY!!!! Check it out, they go for about 550. I Love mine!!

[methyman]

Does anyone have burguard a-arms? If you do, do you like em or hate em? I can get a set for $400.00. I am not sure if there are worth that much or should I just spend a little more money and get Houser A-Arms.

[methyman]

bump

[out4sand]

I have a set of burgard +2 a-arms with works triple rates. I got a smoken deal on them so I couldn't pass them up, well the a-arms anyway. I like them a lot now and they have worked very well for us but we also only really ride the dunes. The 400 has had some good air and I've tagged a couple trees while climbing idiot holes but the arms have held up well. The chrome job on them isn't the best up close but we've ridden them for almost a year now without any problems and everyone that takes it for a rip likes the ride.

I posted a picture of them on page 1 or 2 of this thread, let me know if you would like to see another.

www.out4sand.com

[tants]

houser

what do u guys think are better burgards or houser?

[RiPPiNiTuP7]

Originally posted by QuadMX18
what do u guys think are better burgards or houser?

Houser without a doubt.

ok thanks

[Sparks425Ex]

Bump. Somone with Leagers, Arnes and anyother get in here and post some pics adn say how you like them.

[Evan]

Heres some viper a-arms, these are proably the cheapest a-arms I have seen, they are mad by Legacy ATV I really like how you adjust the camber, you dont have to take the whole tierod off, just adj with the nut.

[DantheEXman]

My +1 Burgards. Very strong and very stabel. I use them for xc and there great.

[Ralph]

Awesome customer service, great price, great product, fast shipping, A++

[beerock]

+2+1
laegers
http://www.links.exriders.com/albums/album05/resized_18.jpg

this one is a old shot but a good look at the arms.

http://users.rcn.com/beerock/quad%20pics/front250r2.jpg
hey x- rider, I have a set of laeger +1 +1's if your interested pm me.They need pcoat and tie rods.

[jlhughes750]

I have installed several sets of Herrmanns a-arms on XC racers quads as well as MXers. I've also maintained these quads through out the seasons and can say that Herrmann Racing products will with stand Pro level abuse. I also have my own R (89) with a Herrmann schwing arm on it and its great. I love the fact that after racing so many years, and haveing every part from every other co. roll, lsr,leager, etc. I can get the same quality parts for alot less money from Herrmannracing.com

[400MXer]

Laeger +2. Love em...strong...and look good. No complaints here.

[400MXer]

#2.........sorry that the pics arent the clearest.

I got these from Baldwin. I ordered them last year in Jan. and got them in march.

I paid 800 for them.......htey are 700 without the chrome uppers....they have laegers new, stronger ball joints in.

Laeger +2. Love em...strong...and look good.

Strong sounds right. A friend has them on his Craptor and after nailing a tree about 30-40mph and bending his frame so bad it was trashed the one ball joint (rod end or whatever) showed no bending and the other about a 3/8" but the arms were straight as when he instlled them the week b4.

As I have said b4 all the rod ends are not that weak and maybe it would be better to have a weak link in the system for collisions sort of like how cars crumple up etc. and maybe save guys like my friend a 600.00 frame over 1/2 set of 700.00 arms. Just a thought anyhow.

BTW the frame was tweeked real bad and both in the upper and lower frame and enough to cause the skid plate to appear to be 4" lower than the frame. It moved a lot and twisted also.

[Bean]

im not sure if i posted this pic, and i really dont care, il post it again

i dont have one single complaint about my Laeger's, they are beefy, i dont see me destroying them anytime soon (i have bent a tierod though, but i have no plans on replacing it), and they look good, are good, i will buy these again should the time come, or Merrell's.

[Dave400ex]

I agree. My brother has the Laeger's and hasn't had a single problem with them, or his steering stem.

[breaks-alot]

Yes I do have to change my boxers everytime Mark Baldwin or Jody Bateman show me the pro-trax front end fresh out of the box. This is what my friend Matt Bartosek ran this year on his YZ426 and on his powervalve R. I know you guys can't afford this but isn't it still nice to look at?

[EvilJester400EX]

Another good set of A-arms are the Viper Racing (made by Legacy ATV). they are $476. i should have pics of mine soon.

[EvilJester400EX]

Originally posted by X-Rider
Heres some viper a-arms, these are proably the cheapest a-arms I have seen, they are mad by Legacy ATV I really like how you adjust the camber, you dont have to take the whole tierod off, just adj with the nut.

well, there is the pic of my arms

[terko440]

hey bean, what size are those a-arms? nice bent wheel there.

[Bean]

+2+1 250r a-arms chromed to be exact, i love my custom wheel, its ultra bling (rock +3/4gear tapped)

[terko440]

do the plus 2s seem to be enough. still cant decide on +2 or 3. everyone and there mom has a different answer. I'm not worried about being to tight in the trails if i got threes but just want the right size.

[Bean]

+2's are really good, +3's can only be better, but MOST +3's are LT, and i didnt have the money for LT, so i went with the +2's

[breaks-alot]

JB (Jody Bateman) makes badass +3 for the 400 with out long travel. Mark Baldwin has pics on his website (www.baldwinmotorsports.com) but there over $100 cheaper if you just order from Jody. Everyone around here runs either the Pro Trax leagre front end, JB, or Fishers. JB are what I’m going to use since I’ve never ever seen a problem with them. Also he gets an extremely strong powder coat finish that looks great and I’ve never even seen have a small chip in it. If you’re interested I’ll post his shop # for you guys.

[Dave400ex]

Does Fisher's have site or JB?

[mcgusto]

I tried to check out the arms on the baldwin site, but all of the pics where either too blurry, or too small! Is there another site I can check them out at?

[flying400ex]

Got some Herrmann +2's for Christmas, but then it snowed like a foot so I can't even ride. this sucks

[Dave400ex]

Hetrick's has the JB's if those are the ones you are wanting pictures of.....

[mcgusto]

I noticed that some a-arms have a bar at the top of the arms(upper and lower) right after the mounts. Does this meen that arms with these extra supports will be less flexable?

[mcgusto]

here is a pic of some housers, they have what I am talking about

[motoboy66]

Here is a pic of the Merrell Extreme A-arms. Sorry its not that goog, I got it off the web site. I have seen these A-arms both on and off quads. They are very well built, and are very high quality. These are the arms I'm going with when i get the money. Hope this helps.

[Evan]

walsh

[nick23]

jb racing +3

[Mxbubs]

Nick does your bike bite? Why you so far away with the camera?

[nick23]

hahahaa

[nick23]

last ione

[AlaskaSpeed]

American Star +2/+1 a-arms with heim joints everywhere....very good quality a-arms so far..........JIM

[Evan]

American stars are pretty much junk IMO, my freind has them on his raptor, the heim joints are shot.

Originally posted by Evan
American stars are pretty much junk IMO, my freind has them on his raptor, the heim joints are shot.

Good eye, and would have to agree 110% junk.

[Mxbubs]

You guys are a tough crowd....LOL.

Okay, I personally dont like adj. heim joints on the bottom a-arms because you have way too much adj. that you have to get right. I like fixed bottoms, however there is a benefit. Look closely at the bottom heim joint where it hits the spindle. Not alot of it is sticking out of the a-arm. This will make them not as prone to break at the stud, but I still dont like heims on the bottom arms to hook to the frame. Just my opinion.

[Mxbubs]

I like these arms, but not the heims.

[Evan]

how about these? I agree, whats that bottom adjustment for anyway?? does it help??

[muff]

heres my burgards, they're holding up well and they only have (camber) adjustment i think?

i had to file down the bushings so they would fit but no big deal

[Mxbubs]

Nice Arms. Just one thing wrong with them.

[Bean]

you either are A: picky or B: *****y, lol

[AC 400 ex 02]

are all the merrells +4?

[Dave400ex]

So the heims on bottom are basically a waste? The Gibson look awesome, but I agree I don't think I would buy them because of the name...

[JHF219]

Eyeball Engineering +2+1 I like them so far !!

[JHF219]

another shot

[Mxbubs]

Originally posted by Dave400ex
So the heims on bottom are basically a waste? The Gibson look awesome, but I agree I don't think I would buy them because of the name...


I wouldnt say a waste. I just believe they are better off not being put there for 2 reasons--weaker than solid 4130 chromoly, and can be a pain in trying to adj. and align the front end because they are not fixed in one place. Just my opinion.

[user101]

stock w/ elka shocks:blah:

[user101]

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[edgerat]

still the best front-end you can buy. Actually more money than Roll because the T-pin is 2200 plus 1325 for the Axis shocks. Nothing handles like these and there is nothing stronger.

Originally posted by Mxbubs
I wouldnt say a waste. I just believe they are better off not being put there for 2 reasons--weaker than solid 4130 chromoly, and can be a pain in trying to adj. and align the front end because they are not fixed in one place. Just my opinion.

I know I have said this b4 but if they use the right heims or rod ends they are extremely strong and I would rather bend a 50.00 (much less if you know where to buy them outside our industry) rod end than a 500.00 plus a-arm.

Your right on the adjustment thing since most people have trouble just setting the camber and any extra adj points will just make it harder.

[QuadTrix6]

New Style Housers

[QuadTrix6]

on the bike :)

[RIjon]

Originally posted by edgerat
still the best front-end you can buy. Actually more money than Roll because the T-pin is 2200 plus 1325 for the Axis shocks. Nothing handles like these and there is nothing stronger.

Wow!

Those are pretty bad ***

Can you buy just those spindles?



here are my Burgard +2 and Works

http://members.cox.net/jfast50/quad/Quad27.jpg

[edgerat]

I am not sure if you can. You can call Mark Baldwin at 440-224-2734 and see if he sells them or not.
Isaac

[YLW400]

WHats wrong with the name "Gibson"? What don't you all like about them? I am not being stupid....I really want to know. I have those arms and like them alot...I havent had to talk to anyone about them there so I dont know if you referring to the people, or the arms. Fill me in here. Thanks.

[Tommy 17]

ylw i don't like them bc east coast atv makes them...

some of the coversions they make dont' look that great, and i've seen a few of his products that were not straight from them...

quad 041 had a frame by them that was off by 1/4 to 1/2 inch or something on the subframe...

i just think there is beter quality parts out on the market like houser, laeger, walsh, arens etc

[Mxbubs]

Yeah, me too. I am just anti eastcoast atv/gibson/k&K.

Originally posted by QuadTrix6
New Style Housers

John, those look like they have the new needle bearings in the arms, and if so how do you like them and how well did they "fit up".

Quad is looking good BTW

[Mxbubs]

Ive got to be honest, Ive ridden my herrmanns, and a buds Walshes', they feel just as good to me as the Pro-Trax. I got a bud with a prp250r with a Protrax T-pin front end. Our front ends are almost as bind free as his. I dont see spending the extra dough.

Whatever happened to the LSR outlaw spindles they were doing?

[QuadTrix6]

Originally posted by 440EX4me
John, those look like they have the new needle bearings in the arms, and if so how do you like them and how well did they "fit up".

Quad is looking good BTW

Thanks for the compliment and they were a little pain to mount up but nothing that difficult. I mean the threads where the balljoints screw in had all powdercoat in them so it was a pain and i had a slight problem with one of the sleeves having the wrong I.D. so ther bolt would not go through but houser has been nothing but great to me. They overnighted me a new sleeve free of charge and i also called up abt some replacement grease zerks cuz one came off and they sent me another 4 with the washers for free also. All of this with no questions asked about how any of it happened. But overall i love the a arms and they are very high quality. Now i gotta start on the rear end cuz its wearing out quick. i need new sprockets, chain, i bent the axle, and that caused the rim to loosen and elongate the holes in the rims :mad: so im gunna have to drop atleast another 1000 into it. Just when you think you can settle down you cant. Sorry for the ramble now back on topic!:scary:

[nick23]

ok, im dumb, but whats btw

leager +2 as of now..but son im going to be getting Arens +3 LT

[hondaracer31]

Originally posted by nick23
ok, im dumb, but whats btw
By The Way

[Mxbubs]

It could also me "but anyway"

[nick23]

hahahhaha...i get it now.,.thanks guya

[MadRox75]

This is the site address that I use to go there.

www.geocities.com/JodyBracing/

[crap-banshee32]

just like mxbuds said!!! the herrmann +3 LT for 19" shocks!!
i love them:D

[nick23]

JB racing

[440ex kid]

I have Herrmann +3's for 19" shocks. I only had one problem. I went to set the camber and the right side is turned all the way in and has 1 degree of camber. The left is four turns out and has 6 degrees of camber. Is there a secret for setting it up right?

Other then that I think they are nice and very well built.

[NTPRacing#19]

how about these? I agree, whats that bottom adjustment for anyway?? does it help??

walsh puts those there for a very good reason. he has spacers that comes with the a arms and you can adjust the a arms back an inch or forward an inch, im not quite sure if its an inch but you can move them forwards and backwards.

[northeast400]

do the Herrmans have grease zerks and where do I get housrs

Suzuki it's what's for dinner!!

ROFLMAO good quote :D

Dont know about the zerks but try C&D on Houser.

[Martin Blair]

Originally posted by edgerat
still the best front-end you can buy. Actually more money than Roll because the T-pin is 2200 plus 1325 for the Axis shocks. Nothing handles like these and there is nothing stronger.

no need to brag

[flying400ex]

my TCS's should be here this week or next!!

[nateftbl]

so it sounds like everyone likes +3's LT but they are too expensive. What is the cheapest +3's LT? Jave you guys heard of the new company in IL making a arms? I heard they were supposed to be really good and cheaper than everything else. Ill try to find out the name again, cause I forgot, and let you all know.