2007 Honda 400ex vs. 2004 Honda CR250

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My cousin seems to think that his dirtbike that hes getting:

2004 Honda CR250 (specs:http://www.hondabikes.net/honda-cr250r.html)

will beat my 2007 Honda TRX400EX (Stock)


His reasoning is that a dirtbike weighs less so even though i have a bigger engine he will win...



What do you think the outcome would be?

he will most likely get you...

my bro in law had a cr125 for awhile and we were pretty much neck and neck

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Seriously? damn i really hate this kid though. hes been cocky about it for the last 3 weeks.

Are you sure i wouldnt waste him in a drag?

[blown331]

either the 250F or the 250 2 stroke will smoke you

around the track, in a drag in every aspect as long as he can ride

[CHEVYZ]

He should spank you silly. A 125 is a run for the EX, a 250 will dominate. If you had a 450 you could easily take him, but a 400 isn't gonna cut it.

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A 450 could beat the CR?

He will beat you.

When you get to the finish line, run him over.

Originally posted by Fade To Black
A 450 could beat the CR?

a little closer but no...

ya'all like how i tried to break it to him nicely?

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the kid is 14 years old and the last bike he had was a 1988 Honda CR80cc.. he rode it for a total of 5 hours, and he is now getting the 2004 250cc.. i bet you he cant shift really good at all and he wont be able to control it.


does this improve my odds at all?

Originally posted by Fade To Black
the kid is 14 years old and the last bike he had was a 1988 Honda CR80cc.. he rode it for a total of 5 hours, and he is now getting the 2004 250cc.. i bet you he cant shift really good at all and he wont be able to control it.


does this improve my odds at all?

I'd say if he falls and kills himself, your chances are better than average.

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but in general dirtbikes pretty much destroy atv's?

[CHEVYZ]

Originally posted by Fade To Black
A 450 could beat the CR? Stock, no. Cammed, easily.

[Ruby Soho]

you guys think a 400ex with a wiseco .040 over piston, hot cams stage 3 and jet kid could take a 98 kx125?

yes, but it depends on the conditions and the riders...

[oldskoolex400]

my old 400 could beat a cr125 but the 416 was mildly modded :devil: on my yfz now i kill the 125's i have ran my yfz against my kx500 and it will run even pretty much until the kx hits 4th gear and then the kx is gooooooooone :macho man its a rush when you hit 5th and get in the throttle

[oldskoolex400]

if he can shift gears somewhat without wrecking, end of discussion, you will get beat

[AtvKid4Eva]

Yeah, when i had my old 400ex my buddy would smoke me down the road on his cr125 like i was standing still.

[400exrider707]

My cammed 450R ran dead even through all gears against a decently modded CR125....I couldn't believe it myself. We re-ran the race about ten times. I got off the line just a hair better cause of more traction obviously, but after I got about two quad lengths ahead we ran dead even until I topped out in which case he went by me slowly. Both 180lb riders, both with same experience, and it was a gradual uphill run.:eek2:

[81 clark racing]

ya ull get smoked on a stock 400. unless you run him over haha

[400exfan19]

unless you do alot of moddin and hes stock ur gunna lose.

[monson]

yeah my brother has a CRF250X (trail version of the mx 250 4 stroke, and slightly detuned) and we are neck and neck until about 3rd gear then he slowly pulls away

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i actually withdrew my plans to get a road test and to finance this atv..

i am now looking at a 2004 Yamaha YFZ450, which puts out 38 horsepower. (thats more than the 660 Raptor)


Keep in mind this kid is 14, has basically never shifted above 1st gear. but when he gets decent at shifting i still want to waste his ***..

lets say this is a mile race.. your telling me i wouldnt have a chance?


EDIT: looks like i see the light now.. the 2004 hondas 250cc has 59 horsepower (as it says here:http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Honda/2004/CR%20250%20R/). looks like i have no chance with any atv..

[Eviltanker]

Beings he is so unexpierienced, let him get ahead (which he will) and bide your time he will crash before the finish.How much expieriece do you have? I think getting a 450 just to beat people in races is going a little overboard. On my EX I can keep up with alot of more powerful bikes and quads, it just comes down to knowing the quad and really practicing your riding. On a drag yes I will get stomped alot but, get in the woods and I can take alot of guys. Not bragging just saying ability can overcome horsepower in technical rides.

[blown331]

Originally posted by Eviltanker
Beings he is so unexpierienced, let him get ahead (which he will) and bide your time he will crash before the finish.How much expieriece do you have? I think getting a 450 just to beat people in races is going a little overboard. On my EX I can keep up with alot of more powerful bikes and quads, it just comes down to knowing the quad and really practicing your riding. On a drag yes I will get stomped alot but, get in the woods and I can take alot of guys. Not bragging just saying ability can overcome horsepower in technical rides.

exactly

[CHEVYZ]

Originally posted by Fade To Black
i actually withdrew my plans to get a road test and to finance this atv..

i am now looking at a 2004 Yamaha YFZ450, which puts out 38 horsepower. (thats more than the 660 Raptor)


Keep in mind this kid is 14, has basically never shifted above 1st gear. but when he gets decent at shifting i still want to waste his ***..

lets say this is a mile race.. your telling me i wouldnt have a chance?


EDIT: looks like i see the light now.. the 2004 hondas 250cc has 59 horsepower (as it says here:http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Honda/2004/CR%20250%20R/). looks like i have no chance with any atv.. A 450r WILL outrun a 250 with only minor work. I have one of both, and I have quite a number of friends with them also. The 250s do not make 59 HP. The 450s walk all over the 250s...easily....and they do not make that kind of power.

[oldskoolex400]

why are people talking about CRF250R's these are 4 strokes the guy is asking a question about a CR250R which is a 2 stroke and more powerful.

[CHEVYZ]

I am talking about a 250 2-stroke.

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i am looking at a 450 because its $1,250 cheaper than the 400ex

http://www.vetesnik.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=06616175X12K15K2006J11I 57I47JPMQ181R0&veh=8224&pov=429024



look at this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9102897359606031342&q=Yamaha+YFZ450&hl=en

WR250 dirtibke vs. YFZ450 vs. banshee. lined up in that order.

theres is no way i would win in a drag, maybe on trail..

[oldskoolex400]

yeah my brother has a CRF250X (trail version of the mx 250 4 stroke, and slightly detuned) and we are neck and neck until about 3rd gear then he slowly pulls away

I am talking about him, not you

the 500s are what make 60 hp stock, not the 250's

[oldskoolex400]

fade to black i still think that 4800 is high i can pick up a used stock 04 locally for like 3300-3900 easily.

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it was never owned, never test driven. but the dealer says that it was kept in the showroom and maintenanced every 3 months.

but yeah i am still looking for a lower price..

as i see it there is no way i could beat a 250 (my other friends have dirtbikes, seems like no ones a fan of atv's) maybe a nos hook up might help my odds? :p

also my cousins mom tells me "oh so you need training wheels to go offroad?"

maybe i should run him over

[oldskoolex400]

no offense but if your asking us if a 400ex will beat a cr250 you dont need NOS, i dunno if you were joking about that or what, just become a better rider and you will beat him on a track or trails, dont drag him though, most likely the only way you will beat him is if you get a cr250, cr500, or a built 450 atv/bike, it doesnt matter who beats who. heck i havent lost to a atv on my kx im sure a complete drag banshee would beat me, there is always going to be someone thats a better rider and faster than you so really it doesnt matter, just get a yfz and you will be happy

[Eviltanker]

Yup

[450rJam]

only race you will win is a flat track oval.

cr250 is no punk...........he can miss a gear (or 2) and still get you.

[krt400ex]

Originally posted by Fade To Black
My cousin seems to think that his dirtbike that hes getting:

2004 Honda CR250 (specs:http://www.hondabikes.net/honda-cr250r.html)

will beat my 2007 Honda TRX400EX (Stock)


His reasoning is that a dirtbike weighs less so even though i have a bigger engine he will win...



What do you think the outcome would be?



he will smoke u, no doubt. those things r putting out like 45 or more HP stock. he will blow ur doors off

[krt400ex]

Originally posted by Fade To Black
A 450 could beat the CR?


no, not a stock 450. not gonna happen. they would be neck and neck though...but the 250 will prolly end up on top

[oldskoolex400]

only race you will win is a flat track oval.

you must have missed the part where his cousin didnt know how to ride.....
he will take him on trails, MX, TT, flat track most anything but drag

[450rJam]

his cousin came off of a cr80.

my son on his 1999 cr80 will smoke a stock 400ex.
he has got the best of several lightly modded ones also.

(his cr80 is not stock and he is about 80 lbs.)

my 06 450r w/hrc is only about 25' or 30' in front of him in 300'

if his cousin has been riding that little 2 stroke more than a month or two he will prob. be a little better than everyone is giving him credit for.

just my .02

[Eviltanker]

If the kid with the bike truely only has about 5 hours I wouldn't race him till he has more experience. A 250 is alot different than an 80. If he nuts up and tries to run you he will more than likely get hurt and hurt bad. I speak from expierience, I went from a YZ 80 to a KDX 250 (I know I'm old) and ended up breaking 3 ribs part of my right hand and my left knee. Have some compassion for the kid till he gets used to the bike. Then race him in the tight trails.

[oldskoolex400]

my son on his 1999 cr80 will smoke a stock 400ex.

well i raced a guy on my "lightly" modded 400ex in my sig and it was even until he topped out and then it was all me, the guy riding it raced and was pretty good, 80s are somewhat fast had a yz80 with a 110 kit in it that would beat alot of 125's about 8 years ago

and on the riding thing none of us know him ive seen people that have ridden for a 6-12 months and still suck and they lay the bike down alot wrecking so chevyz nor me should be talking about his riding ability.

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i am 160 pounds and he is 195 pounds (yeah 195 at 14, kids obese) but i am guessing that weight wont matter?

[oldskoolex400]

nope it wont matter in this case not that big of a difference, maybe if you wait until he is 330 and race him it will come in to play but at this time it wont matter