Starting a new project

[wvspeedfreak]

I have been wanting to build a Kasea with a dual a arm set up for a while now.My son Austin is very exited about this project and is really wanting to get involved with it.I purchased a used Kasea Skyhawk and I already have a built 90cc engine for it so we started the teardown tonight.I am still doing some research as to who all makes a dual a arm kit for these.I know Hetricks does and we may go with those but I would like to see what else may be availible.I will keep you posted on the progress of this build.Kenny,you will be getting called upon for some of your powdercoating magic :cool:

[wvspeedfreak]

We got it apart this far and then it was time for his homework.We will get it completely stripped tomorrow night and start welding in some gussets.

[wvspeedfreak]

forgot the pic :D

[Pappy]

no way buddy....YOUR shooting this one:D

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
no way buddy....YOUR shooting this one:D

Fair enough :p

[QuadJunkies]

sweet!
Kelseys is getting buckled up this week or next
Cant wait to see your finished project! :)

Does Raths make a set for the Kasea?

[wvspeedfreak]

I wish they did.The predator set they sell is sweet.

[etondaddy]

After seeing the pics Kyle wants to start on his today.

Try Dave Carter in Texas.I know he makes them.

[chickenman26]

david carter is in arkansaw

[wvspeedfreak]

We worked on it a little more last evening and tonight.I did some welding on the frame and bearing carrier for reinforcement.I added some gussets to the frame as well.

[wvspeedfreak]

Austin got the job of removing the loose dirt from some parts before I put them in the blast cabinet.

[wvspeedfreak]

Found out both front hubs are cracked :ermm:

[wvspeedfreak]

If anyone has a set of Kasea hubs they want to sell let me know.I thought I had an extra set around here somewhere but I can't seem to locate them.Here is basically the rest of the quad.The a arms and swingarm will not be reused.

[wvspeedfreak]

Got all the welding done and some of the parts blasted.If we get some nice weather over the weekend I will be able to get the frame outside and blast it.That's it for now :)

[QuadJunkies]

How exciting!!
Love it when ya see the kids pitching in, my kids are doing some polishing tomorrow :p

[MadSea862]

I think we have a set of hubs! :)

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by MadSea862
I think we have a set of hubs! :)

I sent you a pm :)

[wvspeedfreak]

It's going slow but sure.Got everything sandblasted except the frame.Hopefully next time I post pics there will be some color.A-arms and swinger are due in this week.Also thanks to Madsea862,I will be getting a set of hubs to replace our busted ones.

[wvspeedfreak]

I am surprised at how involved Austin is staying with this.He usually wants to ride but is not interested in the work part :D He has picked out all the colors for the powdercoating himself.So if it turns out looking like a rainbow don't blame me :blah:

[Pappy]

when should i expect ya jason:p

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
when should i expect ya jason:p

Well,the a arms and swingarm are supposed to be here Thursday.I'm going to try to get the frame blasted by the weekend.After that it is when ever you can fit me in :)

Edit: Did I mention I hate sandblasting?

[Pappy]

10-4

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
I am surprised at how involved Austin is staying with this.He usually wants to ride but is not interested in the work part :D He has picked out all the colors for the powdercoating himself.So if it turns out looking like a rainbow don't blame me :blah:

LOL! Kelsey picked out here colors too(thats was a PITA to find too!:scary: )
So what colors are you going with??
rebuilds sure do take a looongg time, but at least you will have it done right :)
We got Kelsey doing some of the sandblasting - I think that was an eye opener for her to see just how time comsuming it all is !:p

[wvspeedfreak]

We are going with a white frame,black a arms and swinger and yellow hubs.The plastic is yellow with a black/yellow seat cover.Austin got a little taste of sandblasting too...........after about 2 minutes he wanted to know if there was something else he could do lol.

[MadSea862]

That's funny, cause that is almost identical to the color scheme "The Manimal" wanted to go with this year, except we have black plastic. (Curtosy of Hunter Titus's Dad) Yeahhh haaa go Weiner Dog Racing! :) That will be cool! If you guys ever go to Breezewood he and Colby would look like twins! :)

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
We are going with a white frame,black a arms and swinger and yellow hubs.The plastic is yellow with a black/yellow seat cover.Austin got a little taste of sandblasting too...........after about 2 minutes he wanted to know if there was something else he could do lol.

LOL!:p thats funny!

Colors actually sound pretty cool!

At least his isnt going to glow in the Dark like Kelseys
Maybe Ill get some graphics called"rainbow bright":o
She done good actually, just hard to find exactly the right colors.

When are you shooting everything?

[wvspeedfreak]

If Kenny can do it,hopefully we will be shooting it next weekend.I think the color scheme will look good.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by MadSea862
That's funny, cause that is almost identical to the color scheme "The Manimal" wanted to go with this year, except we have black plastic. (Curtosy of Hunter Titus's Dad) Yeahhh haaa go Weiner Dog Racing! :) That will be cool! If you guys ever go to Breezewood he and Colby would look like twins! :)

That's cool!We will have to meet up at Breezewood sometime.We try to go there as often as we can.

[MadSea862]

Yeah i think we're going to lock in on the membership before the 31st of Dec to get the better price. Hell ya can't beat a deal like that, plus the tracks there are excellent. Just can't beat it that's for sure! :)

[Pappy]

This project now has color:p A last minute change on the frame color, but it all looks pretty good.

I must say, I was very impressed with the K-Fab swing arm. Ive seen far worse for way more on full size atv's!!! Its now coated in a silky smooth satin black and I cant wait to see this build come together!!!!

[wvspeedfreak]

Thank you so much for staying up until after midnight to get my parts coated Kenny.THAT is what I call customer service :macho I have to go help my brother move today but I will post pics of the parts later.The powdercoat looks GREAT!

[wvspeedfreak]

Sorry for the picture quality throughout this thread.I keep my old camera over in the garage and that is what I have been using.Here are a few pics of the newly coated parts.We changed our mind on the white frame and went with yellow.I think it is gonna look good when it's all together.

[wvspeedfreak]

The other parts are satin black.We are going to start putting it back together tomorrow.I will get some pictures with my good camera then.

[wvspeedfreak]

Closer pic of the black.

[Pappy]

tomarrow!:o

slacker:blah:

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
tomarrow!:o

slacker:blah:

I know............I'm slipping lol.

[QuadJunkies]

very nice !!:cool:

[etondaddy]

Hey man looks great!!!!

We did't get started again today... but we changed the frame color to Columbia Coatings Black Chrome...for now LOL

http://www.columbiacoatings.com/Blackchrome3.JPG

[yfz450inMI]

very nice! Who built the a-arms and swingarm?

[wvspeedfreak]

Haha,we went back and forth on the frame color a few times.That black chrome looks cool.

The a arms and swingarm are K-Fab.

[wvspeedfreak]

Well,here is what I got together so far.I ran into a few set backs that ate up some time today but I'm in no rush because I am still waiting on shocks,axle bearings and a few other odds and ends.

[wvspeedfreak]

Front view.It's going to be about 44" wide.

[wvspeedfreak]

Another view

[wvspeedfreak]

Last one for now

[AtvMxRider]

Looks sweet Jason. What color plastic are you running?

[gibson400ex]

i would seriously suggest taking a look at robbs racing for mini parts and engine work

Robbs Racing Kasea Page (http://www.robbsracingengines.com/KASEA.html)

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by gibson400ex
i would seriously suggest taking a look at robbs racing for mini parts and engine work

Robbs Racing Kasea Page (http://www.robbsracingengines.com/KASEA.html)

I did email robbsracing and left a message on his phone about a arms but never heard back from him.The K-fab parts work very well on our other Kasea so we went with them again.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by AtvMxRider
Looks sweet Jason. What color plastic are you running?

Yellow and black.It's going to look like a bumble bee :D

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Yellow and black.It's going to look like a bumble bee :D


Sweet:macho

[Pappy]

bumble bee's dont sting, they BITE:macho

i cant wait to see it in action! that K Fab swing arm was a work of art!!!

[wvspeedfreak]

I found a set of axle bearings in the garage and got the rear together.I'll button up everything else tomorrow evening and then I'll just need the shocks :cool:

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
bumble bee's dont sting, they BITE:macho

i cant wait to see it in action! that K Fab swing arm was a work of art!!!

The swingarm is definately a neat piece.I should have snapped a picture of it before it was coated.I wish I could weld like that :eek2:

[wvspeedfreak]

Also,if anyone has a rear brake pedal return spring lying around they want to sell let me know.Thanks!!

[etondaddy]

Finally got started today man your killen me with them pics, it’s only day one and I can’t wait to start putting together all the clean powder coated stuff. All yea thanks dude now he wants a yellow frame haha we had a yellow frame two years ago. I told him yellow hubs best I can do, he’s pissed but he’ll get over it he’s young. Daddy wants to try that Black Chrome. Later, it’s time for bed the swing arm bolt killed me it was sized in the sleeve and kicked my a@@. All by the way looken good so far!!!!!!!!!

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/etondaddy/70_teardown010.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/etondaddy/70_teardown009.jpg

[wvspeedfreak]

That's great :macho Keep us posted on your progress.We're having a blast(well besides the occasional cussing fits):D Austin can't wait to try it out.

[QuadJunkies]

Brandon said to tell you that your quad build ROCKS!
Brandon thinks his also is like a bumble bee
K-fab does make nice stuff.. Too bad he never could ever returned our calls,we wanted to buy his products along time ago but gave up.

Looks good -keep up the good work!!:cool:

[howmuchnow]

I have the k-fab swingarm and it looks nothing like the one you have. Mine is a 3 piece swingarm works great with a 12" elka. We do have the same a-arms. My only problem now is my son ran a Cobra 90 and dont want to run the kasea anymore. I will post some pics. of my swingarm later.

[rookiewrench]

Have you ever thought about the K fab steering stem that he makes, we have one and the combo with a arms and anti vibe is about as good as it get on a single a arm quad. Since we put it on in June my son loves it. By the way everything looks sweet, good luck with it.

[wvspeedfreak]

Howmuchunow,I would like to see pics of your swingarm.Does it have the ride height adjustment?

Rookiewrench,I have talked in depth with Kenny about his steering stem/tie rod set up.That will be my next purchase.I just got what I could afford right now.I have heard it works excellent.

[howmuchnow]

I will post a pict. of the swingarm, and i agree with rookiewrench the stem makes all the difference in the world.

[wvspeedfreak]

Fired it up tonight.It sounded good until a reed petal broke off and fell down in the crankcase :mad: I managed to get it out.Now I need to order new reeds.

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Fired it up tonight.It sounded good until a reed petal broke off and fell down in the crankcase :mad: I managed to get it out.Now I need to order new reeds.

[QuadJunkies]

that sucks:( :ermm:

I wish for just ONCE a rebuild could go w-o any problems :p lol

[Pappy]

hey buddy, i bled on that quad, that means it will run forever:grr:



forgot about the limited liabilty clause








:blah:

[MadSea862]

The return spring on the brake pedal or on the hub itself?:)

PS: I got your letter today. I'll hold off until I find out what spring it is. Maybe I have that too! :)

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
hey buddy, i bled on that quad, that means it will run forever:grr:



forgot about the limited liabilty clause








:blah:

Haha,I forgot about that :p

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by MadSea862
The return spring on the brake pedal or on the hub itself?:)

PS: I got your letter today. I'll hold off until I find out what spring it is. Maybe I have that too! :)

The one on the brake pedal itself that wraps around it under the quad.

[king219]

jason looks good , coat the nerf bars black too

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by king219
jason looks good , coat the nerf bars black too

Thanks.I thought about pc'ing the nerfs and I may still do it.I was thinking about doing the axle too.

[king219]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Thanks.I thought about pc'ing the nerfs and I may still do it.I was thinking about doing the axle too.


the axle would be cool

[ROBBSRACING]

vwspeedfreak

I did get your message on the phone. You asked for me to call you back IF i had a dual a-arm set up for a Kasea. I dont thats why I never called you back. Sorry. I am sure you will be happy with Kennys parts. He makes some very nice stuff.

Robb

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by king219
the axle would be cool
IT IS... We just done my Daughters axle to her Hybrid mini
Its very trick!
:cool:

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by ROBBSRACING
vwspeedfreak

I did get your message on the phone. You asked for me to call you back IF i had a dual a-arm set up for a Kasea. I dont thats why I never called you back. Sorry. I am sure you will be happy with Kennys parts. He makes some very nice stuff.

Robb

Thanks Robb.I had seen your trx90 dual a arm set up on Cody's quad and had hoped something like that was availible for Kaseas.Everything you built for that trx90 looked sweet!

[MadSea862]

Sorry couldn't find the sring. I'll send out your hubs tomorrow.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by MadSea862
Sorry couldn't find the sring. I'll send out your hubs tomorrow.

Thanks for looking for it :)

[wvspeedfreak]

Well,now you can get a general idea of what it's going to look like.The shocks are the main thing I'm waiting on and a few other small parts.

[Blazer]

Love the color scheme! Looks awesome! You're going to have a hard time getting that one dirty!

[wvspeedfreak]

Thanks Blazer.Originally the frame was going to be white but we changed it to yellow at the powdercoaters and I'm glad we went with that.Hopefully the shocks will be here this week and I can get this thing on the ground :)

[king219]

looks good.i bet the boy is excited....

[Pappy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Thanks Blazer.Originally the frame was going to be white but we changed it to yellow at the powdercoaters and I'm glad we went with that.Hopefully the shocks will be here this week and I can get this thing on the ground :)

you know the day the shocks come in, we will get a foot of snow:p

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by king219
looks good.i bet the boy is excited....

He is getting anxious to ride it.He has been sitting on it turning the bars and making 2 stroke sounds :D

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
you know the day the shocks come in, we will get a foot of snow:p

I wouldn't be a bit surprised :scary:

[03sp500]

Really nice quad. Does anyone know how to get a K-Fab swinger? been calling and leaving messages since the beginning of dec.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by 03sp500
Really nice quad. Does anyone know how to get a K-Fab swinger? been calling and leaving messages since the beginning of dec.
thats the problem I ran into also

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
He has been sitting on it turning the bars and making 2 stroke sounds :D


Like you haven't done that before:devil:

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by AtvMxRider
Like you haven't done that before:devil:


Hell,I still do it :cool:

[etondaddy]

Man that looks REAL good. Well after seeing how good yours looks Kyle has to have a yellow frame my black chromes out, owell it is his I just pay for it. He said I can do the rest of the parts black chrome thats cool.

Trying to get a bunch of stuff ready for E-Bay from the 70 E-Ton. Shocks, a-arms, and all kind of stuff. As soon as I get them on I'll post the links if you know anyone looking for e-ton parts let me know. mikekozura@yahoo.com thanks

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by etondaddy
Well after seeing how good yours looks Kyle has to have a yellow frame

You got overruled did ya :D Thanks for the compliments.

[Pappy]

jason, some elka boxes are here

[wvspeedfreak]

Oh Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh :macho

[king219]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Oh Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh :macho


jason is probally more excited than austin ...oh yeah i heard its gonna snow tomarrow.:)

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by king219
jason is probally more excited than austin ...oh yeah i heard its gonna snow tomarrow.:)

Sometimes I wonder :p And it did snow last night.........just a dusting though :)

[mxdad423]

I seen on some earlier posts that you (WVspeedfreak) was needing a return spring for the foot brake, do you still need it? If you do let me know I have the whole set up let me know what you need.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by mxdad423
I seen on some earlier posts that you (WVspeedfreak) was needing a return spring for the foot brake, do you still need it? If you do let me know I have the whole set up let me know what you need.

Actually I already bought one.Thank you though.

[mxdad423]

Yea no problem I just seen it on there and figured you already got one but thought I'd make sure. were just getting started on our 90, I switched over to disc brake in the rear so I don't need the stock stuff. Its nothing but a frame now but we should have it done by the beginning of the 07 season. I'm just glad we didnt have to do much to his 70 this year I don't think I could of handled both. here's a pic of the 90 as you can see lots to do yet.

[mxdad423]

and here's a pic of his 70....

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by mxdad423
and here's a pic of his 70....
Those checkers remind me of my 300ex :D

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by mxdad423
and here's a pic of his 70....

Very nice!

[03sp500]

mxdad423 what did you use for disc brakes in the rear? did you have to change to a eton/kasea rear axle or did you use the stock polaris setup (tubes) and find a way to add discs, we are at the same spot. but cant find a way to use our +4 polaris axle and add disc brakes that are bolt on.
Cheers

[mxdad423]

Justine at Maximum RPM has a rear Disc conversion kit, The conversion kit with a foot brake is around 200.00 that includes footbrake, Disc, rotor, rotor hub, caliper, and brake line. Dave carter is building me a Round housing swing arm and I'm using the +5 Dura Blue eliminator axle for a dinli but I think you can use any axle with the conversion kit but not positve, if you call maximum RPM they could tell you for sure. Hope that helps you out.

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Very nice!

Hey Thanks My son and I put alot of thought into it, The Kasea were building is going to have the same look, at least thats what were shootin for....

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
Those checkers remind me of my 300ex :D

My son picked out that seat last year on Verde Powersports web site before we started tare down last year, so we figured we would just keep the whole theme in checkers.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by mxdad423
Hey Thanks My son and I put alot of thought into it, The Kasea were building is going to have the same look, at least thats what were shootin for....

Very cool.Definately keep us updated on the progress with it!

[mxdad423]

well just got the frame back from the fab shop today its all gusseted up, I also got it sandblasted today and, myself and etondaddy will be powdercoating it Saturday morning. I hopeing to start getting some deliveries of some parts soon after the powdercoating is done Sat. I'm stuck until my parts start ariving.

[wvspeedfreak]

Got it on the ground tonight.

[wvspeedfreak]

Got the rezzies zip tied out of the way right now.Still trying to decide on a bumper.

[wvspeedfreak]

Just got a few pieces to put on then we can try it out :)

[Pappy]

looks highly pissed off:cool:

now, to find a kid that can ride it:devil: (hears Austin yell in background);)

[wvspeedfreak]

Still waiting on the extended brake rod from Kfab to complete the back end.

[bevel head]

That thing looks awesome can I come down and test ride it ?;)

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by bevel head
That thing looks awesome can I come down and test ride it ?;)

Think you could handle all the power :D :p :blah:

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
looks highly pissed off:cool:

now, to find a kid that can ride it:devil: (hears Austin yell in background);)

I think he'll do ok on it.However,his 70 has been known to get the best of him :D

[bevel head]

:blah:

[Pappy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
I think he'll do ok on it.However,his 70 has been known to get the best of him :D

lol. i ride like that all the time:p

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Still waiting on the extended brake rod from Kfab to complete the back end.


Brakes???? Who needs brakes:devil:

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by AtvMxRider
Brakes???? Who needs brakes:devil:

True,I've heard they just slow you down anyway :cool:

[AtvMxRider]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
True,I've heard they just slow you down anyway :cool:


hey my youngest son the one that races dirtbikes. He used to be real bad about riding the brakes and one race I adjusted them to where he didn't have any. Needless to say he is no longer a brake rider:devil:

[wvspeedfreak]

Haha,I bet he loved ya for that LMAO.

[AtvMxRider]

lol not really I did it at Budds creek :eek2:

[bevel head]

I hear there is a sweet 04 400ex for sale in the classifieds

[king219]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Just got a few pieces to put on then we can try it out :)


looks good jason .......how bout them nerf bars they just look to bright

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Got it on the ground tonight.
Hey that looks awsome I like the colors I am going to be powdercoating my frame in the morining hopefully tommorrow night I can post some pics of the finished framel, I hope anyway. LOL

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by king219
looks good jason .......how bout them nerf bars they just look to bright

How did I know you were going to say that :p I think we might do the nerf bars and front bumper(when we decide on one) in black too.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by mxdad423
Hey that looks awsome I like the colors I am going to be powdercoating my frame in the morining hopefully tommorrow night I can post some pics of the finished framel, I hope anyway. LOL

Definately post pics of it.I'm looking forward to seeing yours go together.

[QuadJunkies]

that pic is SAWEET!!

I wish our build went this quick!:eek2: :o
Now go get some vidoe of that Boy getting it dirty!:blah:

[mxdad423]

Well heres the pic of the frame and clutch cover, it come out really good. The pic of the frame isn't the greatest pic but it will give you an idea of what it looks like. heres the frame pic

[mxdad423]

Here's the clutch cover pic

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Just got a few pieces to put on then we can try it out :)

Man I hope mine comes out that good.....VERY NICE !!!!!!

Yea me and Kevin powder coated four frames and some small stuff all weekend. Those pics he posted do not do the parts justice they came out great. Everyones stuff got done but mine...... You and that yellow... now I'm going to try silver sparkles in the clear over the yellow, doing a test peice tonight. I need to start on my own stuff the only thing I have ordered are my duel a-arms from Dave Carter, I still have to get a order into Kool Kidz, Elka, and my E-Ton dealer who by the way just make us a team rider (Mosites Motorsports) 25% off that helps. Kyle's very proud of his Elka, Mosites And Kool Kidz Atv sponsorships.

[wvspeedfreak]

Those powdercoated parts look good mxdad&etondaddy!That frame looks like the same color our other Kasea is.

[mxdad423]

Yea that does look like the same color, the color we used is called candy red topcoat from pendry powdercoating. I think it is a really cool looking color we used a metallic color on the base and it gives it a really cool look...

[wvspeedfreak]

I fabricated my own extended rear brake rod and got the chain on,decided to put the stock bumper on for now and mounted the shock reservoirs.I figured I'd post some completed pics since it is all together now.Hopefully he can ride it this weekend.

[wvspeedfreak]

pic 2

[wvspeedfreak]

pic 3

[wvspeedfreak]

Ready to ride :)

[ww228king]

That is nice.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[king219]

bumper looks good black

[king219]

when is the first ride?----race?

[QuadJunkies]

you done and awesome job!

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by king219
when is the first ride?----race?

Hopefully this weekend.

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
I fabricated my own extended rear brake rod and got the chain on,decided to put the stock bumper on for now and mounted the shock reservoirs.I figured I'd post some completed pics since it is all together now.Hopefully he can ride it this weekend.

Really looks good I agree that black front bumper looks pretty good on there. well if you get to ride this weekend GOOD LUCK hope everything goes great.

[etondaddy]

Same hear looks real good !!!!! ;)

[wvspeedfreak]

Thanks everybody.I'll get some action pics up as soon as I can.

[Arctic Cat Dad]

Nice looking mini. Bet the grin is still on the little guys face!

[wvspeedfreak]

Yes he is grinning from ear to ear :D We didn't get to try it out yet because it snowed this weekend.The top end is brand new and I didn't figure spinning around in the snow would be the best for break in.

[etondaddy]

H@ll at least your all together my frames still at the steel shot dudes getting blasted. I guess my powder coating's ok sand blast would't touch it and stripper was a pain in the.......

Check out mxdad423's cases we shot them the other night

Columbia Coatings Super Mirror Black

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/etondaddy/Engine_halfs007.jpg

[wvspeedfreak]

Nice etondaddy!Can't wait to see those minis together.

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Nice etondaddy!Can't wait to see those minis together.

Thanks, this delay in the frame has Kyle thinking about the frame color AGAIN.

Check this out if might be Super Mirror Black base (like Kevin’s cases) and Illusion Lapis topcoat. The hubs lollipop blue and the side cover and suspension Super Mirror Black with Super High gloss clear that I mixed a 1/2 ounce of very fine not ungodly silver metallic with.

Illusion Lapis
http://www.columbiacoatings.com/illusionlapis.jpg

Lollipop Blue
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/etondaddy/album_pic259.jpg

[aasco90]

eton dad, this would look good on you motor, its a tranny saver motormount combo.

[cbebuck]

we like the yellow and black to.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c258/cbebuck/IMG_1584.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c258/cbebuck/IMG_1583.jpg

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[aasco90]

cbebuck, do you have a pic of your swingarm? what kind is it?

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by aasco90
eton dad, this would look good on you motor, its a tranny saver motormount combo.
aasco90 is that tranny saver something you are making or did you buy one from somebody and how much was it? I like the looks of it I think it would look good on my super mirror black engine, and I heard those tranny savers work pretty good.

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Nice etondaddy!Can't wait to see those minis together.
Yea we like to see them get togeather to, just seems like nothing is going our way LOL, Like etondaddy said couldn't get our last years powdercoating blasted off of his frame, we got my frame, engine, and clutch cover powdercoated but now I'm stuck waiting for parts to arrive, seems like everything we got ordered is taking forever to get here. Oh well I am expecting a real big order from Cory at Koolkidz to be here tommorrow and hopefully my suspension parts and plastics by the end of the week. Starting to get nervous only about 5 weeks to go before the season starts.

[cbebuck]

Originally posted by aasco90
cbebuck, do you have a pic of your swingarm? what kind is it?

i is a +3 cm. not sure who made it, but i think it one of a kind. i bought it with the frame. i will try to get a closer pic for you.

[cbebuck]

ok i think the guys name is MODOCK??? does that sound familiar to anyone?

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by cbebuck
i is a +3 cm. not sure who made it, but i think it one of a kind. i bought it with the frame. i will try to get a closer pic for you.
If you want a really nice swing arm check these out, They are made by Dave Carter at DC Motorsports they are full round housing swing arms witch means no more chain adjusters to brake there are 2 styles a round tubing one and a square tubing one. The square tubing one has the chain tensioners built in on the top and bottom very nice...pic 1 ( round tubing swing arm +3)

[mxdad423]

Pic 2 (square tubing swing arm +3) these are the ones I run on both of my boys quads the eton and the Kasea, and he can make them for either a 10" shock or a long travel 12" shock

[wvspeedfreak]

That is the first time I have seen Dave Carter's swing arms.They look very nice and the eccentric chain adjustment is sweet :macho

[wvspeedfreak]

It's a balmy 36 degrees here today :D so Austin took it for a quick spin to make sure nothing fell off :p

[wvspeedfreak]

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[wvspeedfreak]

The suspension is very nice but he said it steers really hard.I raised it up and nothing is binding when you cut it back and forth but when he is sitting on it,it is very hard to turn the bars.Is this typical of single a arms when they are extended this far?These are +4's.Other than the steering and a roller weight change it seems pretty good.

[king219]

its 21 here today....oh thats celsius....i meant 70......the quad looks gooooooooood!!!!!!

[mxdad423]

I'm not sure if this will help or not, but I know when we ran the single a-arms with those skinny tall front tires it didn't work well for us at all, the steering was very touchy and hard to steer, we switched over to these maxxis tires and it cured the problem. Like I said I don't know if thats whats causing your problem or not but I know it did ours. Here's a pic of the tires we run I even stayed with them when we went to the dual a-rms he likes them better than the skinny ones.

[ww228king]

cool quad...where can i get some yellow plastics like that

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by ww228king
cool quad...where can i get some yellow plastics like that

Those are stock Kasea fenders.I just cut the fronts.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by mxdad423
I'm not sure if this will help or not, but I know when we ran the single a-arms with those skinny tall front tires it didn't work well for us at all, the steering was very touchy and hard to steer, we switched over to these maxxis tires and it cured the problem. Like I said I don't know if thats whats causing your problem or not but I know it did ours. Here's a pic of the tires we run I even stayed with them when we went to the dual a-rms he likes them better than the skinny ones.

Thanks for the tip.His other Kasea turns harder than most mini's he's been on but this one is even harder.He wasn't really complaining about it he just said it was noticable.I have a set of the wheels/tires like you mentioned,i will try them.

[ww228king]

i was wondering if you had some extras....i wanted to put some on my son's mongoose

[wvspeedfreak]

No I sure don't.I have seen several sets on Ebay recently though.

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Thanks for the tip.His other Kasea turns harder than most mini's he's been on but this one is even harder.He wasn't really complaining about it he just said it was noticable.I have a set of the wheels/tires like you mentioned,i will try them.

Hey no problem, Hope it works for you it definately made a differance on my son's and those tires seem to handle the track really well. Let me know if it works out for you....

[BradLoomis]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
It's a balmy 36 degrees here today :D so Austin took it for a quick spin to make sure nothing fell off :p

Looking at this picture it looks like there might be to much caster and that will make the bike hard to turn, and it will just want to go straight.

[wvspeedfreak]

Brad,I sent you a pm.

[BradLoomis]

Jason, messge replyed to. Sorry if it is a little long... I tend to ramble.:D

[wvspeedfreak]

Thank you very much Brad.I greatly appreciate it.

[mxdad423]

Well finally got some parts and started some of the assembly last night on the 90 here's a few pics, I don't have my Elka shocks here yet so used stock ones for mock up.

[mxdad423]

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[etondaddy]

Your killing me. I need a frame first............. looks good so far

[Reimer Racing]

Here is a couple of pics of are winter project. Hope you like her we had alot of fun building it.
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/reimer_racing_photos/100_0818.jpg

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[ww228king]

mxdad423 they look like new plasctics....where did you get them and how much and what are you gonna do with your old
? thanks

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by ZR600
Here is a couple of pics of are winter project. Hope you like her we had alot of fun building it.



That looks great zr600.How do you like those a arms?

Mxdad423...The mini is looking good so far :cool:

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by ww228king
mxdad423 they look like new plasctics....where did you get them and how much and what are you gonna do with your old
? thanks

Yea they are new, I got the front's from west coast quads and the rears from Hetrick. They did change the rears a bit but they look good, the fronts were already race cut so that was cool I didn't have to cut them. The fronts were 75.99 plus shipping and the rears were 145.00 plus shipping. I have my old one's they are red I am selling them let me know if you are interested and I will Private message you with a price if you are.

[mxdad423]

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Mxdad423...The mini is looking good so far :cool: [/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Thanks alot, I am waiting for a few more parts and I will be ready to finish it.

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by etondaddy
Your killing me. I need a frame first............. looks good so far

Hey I believe you have a frame and I believe it is powdercoated now, LOL LOL LOL......

[Reimer Racing]

We really like the a-arms. You can adjust the camber to what ever the track contions are. I can put the shock in the outside mount for TT and dirt track then when we go MX racing I just move the shock to the inside mount. When I put the shock to the outside mount the whole bike sits about 2.5 inchs off the ground. When we dirt track Zack likes it when I put a lot of camber in it. Honestly they are nice to have if you use the same bike for different types of racing.

[etondaddy]

OK I finally got my frame done last night thanks to mxdad423, the base coat is Super mirror yellow and the top coat is my own creation, I mixed ½oz of silver sparkles with a pound of super high gloss clear. Well………. I kinda got carried away with the clear, I shot it hot and layed it on it came out sorta a periel finish. The pics stink the lighting was bad , I was tiered, not good. But her they are…….

Got four boxes of stuff from Kool Kids ATV in today. It wont be long now. Keep yea posted. All yea Kevin stuck on the DC Motorsports duel a-arms for the pics.

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[etondaddy]

for mini atv racing in the buffalo ny area www.reimerminiatvracing.com

I talked to Paul two years age, never bought anything but he's a good dude.

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by etondaddy
OK I finally got my frame done last night thanks to mxdad423, the base coat is Super mirror yellow and the top coat is my own creation, I mixed ½oz of silver sparkles with a pound of super high gloss clear. Well………. I kinda got carried away with the clear, I shot it hot and layed it on it came out sorta a periel finish. The pics stink the lighting was bad , I was tiered, not good. But her they are…….

[/IMG]


Ahhhh....freshly coated parts going back together.I like it :cool:

[Reimer Racing]

Etondaddy the frame looks sweet. Zacks 90cc mini is being powdercoated yellow but not as nice as yours. One of Zacks sponsors powdercoats safety products so we are stuck with yellow or red. But I love freebies!!!

I see you guys are from PA. Do you guys run dist 5 - 6 or maybe with the CRA? A few of us are looking to venture out of dist4. What part of PA are you guys from? I Took Zack to a indoor MX race in Andover Ohio. The place is called NEMX it was a great time. Looking forward to going back for the next race. Might go up into Canada for a couple of races. A couple of kids came down to are TT races. They also spent the night and went to Mapleshade MX with us. We all had a good time. So now it is are turn to go up north.

[mxdad423]

Etondaddy and mxdad423's kids run Dist 5, we live south of Pittsburgh about 50 miles we go to tracks like R&D raceway, steel City, High point, Wolffmann's, Pleasure Valley, Rocket, Field of dreams, and a few others. We only made it to Maple Shade one time, it's a very nice track but it takes us like 5 hrs. to get up there so we don't make it up there to much.

[Reimer Racing]

How far up north do you guys go. (tracks)

[mxdad423]

well like I said Maple Shade is about the furthest we have went North and that was only 1 time. Now they do have some races scheduled for Kittanning this year so I figure we will be up that way a few times...

[etondaddy]

Well we played around a little tonight opened all the boxes from Kool Kidz ATV. Hung some stuff up out of my way. Have to go to Mosites Motorsports tomorrow and pick up two more box’s of stuff, stuff is cool this is the fun part….. Elka’s should be here any day , then all I’ll need is my swing arm and steering stem from Dave Carter and we’re set. No we’re not set……. The motor has to go to the motor dude yet, ***** I forgot about that, Need to be done by March 4th wish me luck !!!!!!!!!

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[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by etondaddy
Well we played around a little tonight opened all the boxes from Kool Kidz ATV. Hung some stuff up out of my way. Have to go to Mosites Motorsports tomorrow and pick up two more box’s of stuff, stuff is cool this is the fun part….. Elka’s should be here any day , then all I’ll need is my swing arm and steering stem from Dave Carter and we’re set. No we’re not set……. The motor has to go to the motor dude yet, ***** I forgot about that, Need to be done by March 4th wish me luck !!!!!!!!!

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It is really looking good Etondaddy :macho Reminds me of ours except yours has more a arms :D

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
It is really looking good Etondaddy :macho Reminds me of ours except yours has more a arms :D

Thanks, it means a lot coming from you after seeing the machine you guys built. D5's all screwed up, and we've been thinking of different places to race maybe we'll have to come south and see you guy's this year.

[Reimer Racing]

Etondaddy the bike looks good. I like the Black nerfs. Whats up with D5 anyway? They will not give us are dates in D4 till they release D5's race dates. (Mapleshade hosts a D5 state champion ship race and Mapleshade is in both dists). I heard rumor of the track owners are feuding about race dates.

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by ZR600
Etondaddy the bike looks good. I like the Black nerfs. Whats up with D5 anyway? They will not give us are dates in D4 till they release D5's race dates. (Mapleshade hosts a D5 state champion ship race and Mapleshade is in both dists). I heard rumor of the track owners are feuding about race dates.

Hey thanks a lot, we put a lot of time and money in it, and take a lot of pride in it.

Well……… from what I understand some of the promoters got together and suid the district. Talking to Buddy little last night at the D5 banquet it should be over real soon. Racer productions and Jeff Cernic started PA MX ***. no clue what that’s all about yet…….. But there’s no quads in the spring series… there telling us we’re going to have our own series ????????? Just a bunch of political bullsh@t.

[etondaddy]

Elkas came today............ bad cool check them out

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[Reimer Racing]

Sweet!!! May I ask where did you get the carbon fiber hood cover from?

[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by etondaddy
Elkas came today............ bad cool check them out

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Man that is freakin sweet!What length front shocks are those...12"?

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by ZR600
Sweet!!! May I ask where did you get the carbon fiber hood cover from?



The hood came from Cory at Kool Kidz ATV. It's sweeeet he gets them from hippies that make surf boards in California. Kooool dude. It's the hole hood it uses the top to factory holes and you have to drill two holes at the bottom and they give you two push in clips.

[racinmason911]

Do you mind me asking. What gain do you get from using a dual a-arm system like that in which the upper and lower a-arms attach to the frame so close togather? It looks like it wouldn't be much different than a decent single a-arm setup. Is the suspension travel that much different?

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
Man that is freakin sweet!What length front shocks are those...12"?

Yes sir 12” triple rate on the front and a 10” single rate on the rear. WOW they are some fine pieces, all we had since we started where the 10” single rate Works. All I can say is WOW.

Got the front end all adjusted and tighten up today, looks great. Still waiting for my tie rods from DC they should be here tomorrow, Dave thought he had them on the shelf when he made the a-arms. Wait……. I just rembered it don’t matter I’m waiting on Dave’s anti-vibe steering stem saw one he made for a Kasea today made me glad I ordered one.

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by racinmason911
Do you mind me asking. What gain do you get from using a dual a-arm system like that in which the upper and lower a-arms attach to the frame so close togather? It looks like it wouldn't be much different than a decent single a-arm setup. Is the suspension travel that much different?

I forget exactly what the numbers are but we went from about 3 something (with +3+1 Hetrick single a-arms) to 6 something with this setup. Mxdad423 did all the research for me last year on his E-Ton (thanks Kevin). He always buys the stuff first Ha Ha. Kevin knows the real numbers.

[racinmason911]

Thanks! I've had people here locally ask me about those a-arms but I have no real first hand knowledge of them. They look nice!

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by racinmason911
Thanks! I've had people here locally ask me about those a-arms but I have no real first hand knowledge of them. They look nice!

Thanks a lot, Kyle and myself take a lot of pride in our machine. Like I always tell him even if it runs like crap we'll still look good..........

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by etondaddy
I forget exactly what the numbers are but we went from about 3 something (with +3+1 Hetrick single a-arms) to 6 something with this setup. Mxdad423 did all the research for me last year on his E-Ton (thanks Kevin). He always buys the stuff first Ha Ha. Kevin knows the real numbers.

Hey your welcome Mike you know I don't mind it makes things interesting for my credit cards, LOL LOL. The wheel travel on the hetricks single a-arms is approx. 3 1/4" and the wheel travel on the DC Motorsport duals is right around 6 3/4" and not only is the travel way better but with the duals the quad has almost 0% bump steer if it is set right, Now remember I am saying Wheel travel not shock travel, wheel travel is what counts not shock travel, now on the Kasea Duals they have about 7 1/2" of wheel travel and they only use a 10 1/2" shock, its all in the positioning of the mounts....I put the dual on my son's E-ton last year in mid season and WOW what a differance, He got a ton faster, Etondaddy will vouch for that. If you need any info on the duals just private message and I can hook you up with Dave he is a really good guy and builds real quality stuff, I bought the duals for the Eton last year, this year I bought a set of dual for the Kasea and 2 round housing swing arms 1 for the eton and 1 for the Kasea and also got the anti vibe steering stems for both. Everything he built me is awsome....

[mxdad423]

That was a pic of the round housing swing arm on the Kasea the one for the eton is the same here are some pics of the duals on the Kasea...I didn't have the elka's here yet when I took these pics so it is just mocked up with the stock shocks...

[mxdad423]

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[mxdad423]

Here's the eton duals...

[wvspeedfreak]

Austin wanted to ride today because they are calling for a significant snowfall here tomorrow and Tuesday.He gave it a good workout and everything seems to be working well.

[wvspeedfreak]

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[wvspeedfreak]

He rode until he had blisters today and it was cold.....only got up to about 30 degrees.

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[Pappy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
He rode until he had blisters today and it was cold.....only got up to about 30 degrees.

no pain, no gain!

i had to go through 4 pages to find austins quad:ermm:

[wvspeedfreak]

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[wvspeedfreak]

Originally posted by Pappy
no pain, no gain!

i had to go through 4 pages to find austins quad:ermm:

He didn't seem to mind and yeah,this thread got pretty big :p

[bevel head]

hey Jason it looks awesome :macho

[mxdad423]

Hey Jason looking good, tell austin looks like he's about ready for the season. We got the 70 pretty much done except for a chain, Now the 90 I just got it started back togeather today, I welded the pegs on the frame for the nerfs before I got my front end and needless to say they were to far forward so I had to tare completly back down, cut them off and move them back on a nicely new powdercoated frame, that sucked but etondaddy and I stripped the bottom rails on the fram and did a patch coat, I was surprised you can't even tell.

[mxdad423]

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[king219]

Originally posted by mxdad423
pic 3

bike looks good like the black .do the bumper black

here s ours all black

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by king219
bike looks good like the black .do the bumper black

here s ours all black


Thanks I am just glad it is finally gone back togeather, yea I been thinking about that black bumper thing I might just do that...That is definatley a sharp machine you have, did you have any problem with you front brake cables reaching after you put the duals on?

[king219]

hetrick built the bike so i dont know about the cables,as far as i know they are stock

[king219]

here is another pic

[mxdad423]

Originally posted by king219
hetrick built the bike so i dont know about the cables,as far as i know they are stock

OK I will have to do some checking I was looking at them last night and they seemed like they was going to be a little short, I will wait until I get everything in place and hopefully they will work, Thanks for the info....

[wvspeedfreak]

Any of you guys happen to have a Kasea front brake cable laying around you want to sell?I need one.Thanks :)

[wvspeedfreak]

Added a tranny saver to the Kasea today.He has only busted one set of gears and hasn't broken any since he learned to let off the gas in the air but I figured the added support couldn't hurt :)

[etondaddy]

I've been thinking of one myself.

[etondaddy]

I haven’t got much done but I think I’ve lost it, power coating the hubs…….yes, the collars for the bar pad…………maybe, but the break rotor bolts……… what ever. Heck might as well paint the collar bolts. I did get DC Motorsports steering stem on. The swing arm’s at DC getting a chain tensioner on it and the motors at the motor dudes. Hoping to get everything back next week.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/etondaddy/Steering_Steam005.jpg

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[wvspeedfreak]

When you try to powdercoat the tires is when I'm coming over to have a talk with ya :D

[etondaddy]

Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
When you try to powdercoat the tires is when I'm coming over to have a talk with ya :D

I'll go for that ;)

All yeah I forgot we did the fly bars matt black...... had to have something to match the new AC nerfs.

There coming to take me away he he ha ha. :huh :huh

[wvspeedfreak]

:p

[Pappy]

Jason...Budds Creek is this weekend. Time to seperate yourself from posting pictures and get the kid some seat time

[etondaddy]

Well it's starting to look like a quad...... I don't like hanging the front end hime joints out on the threads, so right now the front is 40.5" wide and the rears 44". I figure if I get some one inch front wheel spacers and turn the wheels around that will give four inches and the front will be 44.5".......... anyone got a set of front wheel spacers for sale ?

Man Kyle can't wait for race season I think he gave it a kiss good night LOL LOL

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[wvspeedfreak]

That thing is looking good man!

[BradLoomis]

Etondaddy, I wouldn't run front wheel spacers or flip your rims around because it will place the center of the tire further away from the King Pins than it already is. If you want to extend your heim joints out a little on the spindle mount and a little on the frame mount side you could gain about 1 -1 1/2" per side depending on where the heims are adjusted to right now. All you need is 1/2"-5/8" of true thread attatchment to be more than strong enough to insure the heim can't pull out. Remove the heim and measure in 1/2" and color that area with a felt pen. Now assemble it back together and make sure no color is showing. Now do all of you adjustments to square everything up for proper caster, camber and forward length. Back the lock nut all the way out and measure the gap and cut a piece of tubing, 1/8" shorter than the measurement, to make a spacer and place it in the middle and tighten it down. The spacer OD now strengthens the heim so it won't bend and it will be just as strong as being inserted all of the way in. You can also do like I did and find alternatives to standard heims. This single A-arm front end is 42" wide with the tires at 3" in - 2" out.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p5489e3bf77e4d00d0a8e38bf8ec8551c/ea6414e7.jpg
Look at the heims at the frame.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p38a6a13af3d8b90c0ff4d2d4f58e2f04/ea6414d4.jpg
Those are a linkage mount for a large Polaris Sportsman that takes a 10mm frame mount bolt and a 1/2" NF reverse thread bolt that I tigged in a 7/16" NF stud to attatch to. It just extends my A-arms out farther before the tubes take over and is actually a stronger heim than the standard ones that I used before. This will help reduce the stress off of the spindle and keep the tire from moving forward and backward while turning and make the tire spin on it's center more than it's inside while turning.