czrider263 second DRG build (TT)

[chad502ex]

hello again ppl,

I'm pleased, for the third time, to post another exclusive engine build up thread here at ATVRIDERS.com. Harlen, owner of ATVRIDERS.com, has permitted me, yet again, to detail the inside working of another full out 450R build. Many builds are different, and even though we just had a sucessful TT thread (thanks xsr_racing28c aka Jay), this one will be different yet.

Here's the details of this build (I may be editing over time):

1. stock bore stock stroke
2. new DRG high compression custom piston with new head and cylinder machining approaching ultra compression.
3. DRG SSAR porting (possibly DSAR) on new head
4. Falicon Supercrank blueprinted and balanced to my new piston pack (w/ updated HONDA 04/05 crank retro kit).
5. new state of the art completely overhauled transmission worked performed by the world-known expert in manufacturing transmissions for ATV capable of withstanding power over 150hp,.. new bearings, new shift forks, with gears hardened, backcut for easy TT shifting, and possibly a 'ridable' over-ride setup
6. Web 943/921 nasty little bugger. timing similiar to the 208 with small valve lift. low lift big duration permits squeezing down compression around profile for max power output.
7. KW spring kit, even though the stock springs would easily control valves on this 'drop-in' cam profile. A TT build requires high revs for extended periods; so, KW were selected.
8. >43mm FCR, could be a DRG or DASA depending on availability of parts.
9. Dynatek programmable with programmed DRG curves.
10. Stock sized Ferrea SS intake valves, stock ex valves (maybe +1mm depending << I'll indicate further later)
11. exhaust to be tested against RE second generation/DASA

By the way: the end results is we expect to be finished around the new year due to we have to wait for my custom piston, then the crank to be balanced against its weight, the tranny overhaul to be outsourced, detailed port work, ect., ect....


Everyone's participation, questioning is encouraged...

[lumi]

omg another one!!!! this is awesome!!


cant wait to see updates, its gonna be a good one. :D :D



-lumi

[fandl450r]

One question, where can I find this money tree? :) Looks like it's going to be another awesome build Chad, can't wait to see the progress.

[czrider263]

Sweet we get to do another BUILD ON ATV RIDERS!!!!

Looking forward to a TT monster

I will send the mony for the head and some parts so you can get working.

[Kilabanshee]

Alex wouldn't you think it's a good idea to a race an actual tt race first?

[Nick110]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Alex wouldn't you think it's a good idea to a race an actual tt race first?

Doesnt really matter when you have money.

I cant wait to see this build complete. CZ what kinda suspension set up are you going with.

[chad502ex]

nasty booger cam, blueprinted crank, custom piston for max compression, aggreesive headwork, tops tranny for click click click action-- yea cant wait either....

:macho

[Architects]

I want to hear more info on this piston and trans work:cool:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Architects
I want to hear more info on this piston and trans work:cool:

details of my piston is forthcoming (few days).. as soon as the pistons are received, pictures and detailed info will be posted... in the meantime, I will say this about the piston... the goal of mine was to design a high compression piston above 'shelf' pistons designed to only be used with RACE fuel (110 or higher)... tight squish, tall compression height, coatings, Pro wrist pin with forced wrist pin oiling, gas porting, anti-detonation grooves, accululator ring flutter groove, side skirt coatings, laser etching, plus additional features not seen in the ATV industry.. Basically, an all out high performance custom race piston... Pistons have been processed...

the tranny work will also be first too.... the rep the tranny builder has is stellar. the tranny shall click like butter, barely have to pull the foot to feel the click into gear under power too!

[fandl450r]

Chad anyway to get ahold of one of these? How much? PM Me some details! I'm in the market for a new piston.

[Architects]

What kind of prices are we talking on the piston? Sounds killer.:devil:

[chad502ex]

as soon as the order is complete with designing and processing in a few days, then I'll know what the costs are going to be...

This piston is race only with race gas fuel requirements of 110+ or more. Although it is designed for stock bore, it is not considered 'drop-in'...

i forgot to mention that the valve reliefs are deepened too for large lift camshafts, and the ring grooved are micro-machined; plus a couple of other piston surprised ;)

I'm real excited about this design,... just waiting for the processing to complete...

[TMSmx47]

Here we go again Alex.. I think Im gonna have to talk to your Pops pretty soon... Since he's such a nice guy, ask him when I send my head to Chad, if I can just add it onto his bill.. I dont think Chad would mind since he's pretty much part of your family now! Good luck guys!!

[czrider263]

Kila: this motor won't be TT 100% becuase it could end up being used for either MX or TT since of the way me and chad planed it out.

[xsr_racing28c]

Awesome CZ, I can't wait to see this thing finished!!

You tryin' to show me up or what...:D

Jay

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Awesome CZ, I can't wait to see this thing finished!!

You tryin' to show me up or what...:D

Jay

it's funny, when you get to phase 2 you'll be identical to his... :macho

[eganracing]

hey cz,
what r u planning on for the chassis?

[xsr_racing28c]

I know Chad, I can't wait til Phase II :D

~Jay

[czrider263]

Ummmm im not 100% sure. i have to see if i will ba able to run my gibson plus 3 LT set up with the foxs but just lowering the ride hieght and slaping on some flat track tires. i know i nees a sway bar and flat track rear tires. If anyone has suggestion for the chassis please post!!!!!

[Kilabanshee]

I'm pretty sure Tim Farr in his TT set up has his motor moved back or forward a few inches to create a better weight distribution. I dont know if any companys on the market currently make a TT frame....

[xsr_racing28c]

I'm not sure if he has it moved forward or back, but i'm pretty sure i've heard something about them lowering the motor a small amount to give it a lower position.

This is not really necessary when running TT unless your running up front with the pro's and need that little edge over the competition.

The pros in TT do everything possible to shave weight and will try new things like motor positions to see if it helps. But running a production bike like CZrider263 is would be more than fine just normally setup with the stock frame and stock motor location.


Chad,

Any updates???

~Jay

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Chad,

Any updates???

~Jay

well, for this build, i have spoken to the best tranny cutter in the country.... For about $400, he can get me a backcut 3 speed over-ride transmission in about a weeks turn-around time.... not to shabby from the best there is in ATV transmission tech..

allow me to detail:
a 3 speed backcut over-ride transmission is the first three gears (1st/2nd/3rd) backcut for larger hp loads and allows the rider to speed shift through the first three gears while WOT. Fourth and Fifth gear can be clutch, but if you let of the throttle in the over-ride gears while under power- POP goes your tranny.. the over-ride tranny is meant for the TT rider or Dragger to get thru these gears as fast as possible with near near power loss shifting with clutch.... shaaaweat!

Anyway, after talking to czrider263, he felt like this would not be a good option for him for his TT/MX 450r.

still waiting to get started here on this build. I have the engine, just awaiting money and parts to get started.... :D

[czrider263]

Wahoo just got my web 943/921 cam shoule be a sick cam!!!

also got my timing kit all thanks to Brain at WPP..

enjoy the pics

[czrider263]

the cam timing kit

[xsr_racing28c]

Looks Sweet!

I ordered my 943/921 Web yesterday ... That is going to be getting drop shipped to DRG once Janssen Motorsports gets it...

Everything sounds awesome cz!!!!

[eganracing]

y arent u doing the trans mod?

[czrider263]

Because im not 100% sure this will be TT and you don't want a tranny that will be unhappy if you let of the power at all through 1-3 gear. so maybe i will look into a overdrive or rekuse clutch IDK. Me and chad talk alittle at his house about it.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Because im not 100% sure this will be TT and you don't want a tranny that will be unhappy if you let of the power at all through 1-3 gear. so maybe i will look into a overdrive or rekuse clutch IDK. Me and chad talk alittle at his house about it.

big difference in overdrive and lockout... i think you mean clutch lockout not the tranny overdrive....

http://directdrivecnc.net/images/4_stroke_cvrs_007.jpg

http://directdrivecnc.net/images/100_0375.JPG

hope this helps...

[chad502ex]

sorry for making those images soo big, but let me explain what this product does...

This product bolts to the outer clutch pressure plate, and as the stock clutch rotates the centrifugal force swings out the lockout clutch arms which applies additional inward force on the pressure plate.. the faster the rpm the more the lockout applies inward pressure to squeeze the clutch assembly together...

[czrider263]

Yeah thats exactly what i want LOL thanks chad....

do you like that 943 and timing set up.

time to get the 06 for dyno testing.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Yeah thats exactly what i want LOL thanks chad....

do you like that 943 and timing set up.

time to get the 06 for dyno testing.

yea
yea
and yea to ^^^

Are we going to start this year? :devil:

[czrider263]

sounds like the build may start up again now that the piston is soon coming:D :D :D .

I also got my dynatek programable ignition todat YAHH. Its going to be heading down to you soon chad.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
sounds like the build may start up again now that the piston is soon coming:D :D :D .

I also got my dynatek programable ignition todat YAHH. Its going to be heading down to you soon chad.

excellent. I'll upload curves free of charge for you... hehe

piston next week I've been told by thursday.. :macho

[ghott]

:o

[honda4life72]

i never got to see the out come of the first build:( link anyone?

[ghott]

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=241291&highlight=czrider

Where's them pistons chadwick?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by ghott
http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=241291&highlight=czrider

Where's them pistons chadwick?

You want to see one? LOL!!!

well, oKAY i guess... I'll post pictures probally by Monday.

[mike nash]

No! Don't post the pics.:blah:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by mike nash
No! Don't post the pics.:blah:

LOL, OoKie-dokie,... since mike nash says no, I won't... LOL!:p

[czrider263]

show me chad LOL I can't wait to see those things.

[ghott]

Originally posted by chad502ex
LOL, OoKie-dokie,... since mike nash says no, I won't... LOL!:p

Find then...send the pics to me ;)

[chad502ex]

I plan on posting by Monday

[mike nash]

Does the installation picture come Monday night as well?:D

[xsr_racing28c]

Come on Chad.. Give the DRG boys a sneaky peaky!!!! ~Jay

[mike nash]

They won't be in til Monday.

[xsr_racing28c]

Oh alright.. I thought he had them already....

Jay

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Oh alright.. I thought he had them already....

Jay

Yesterday they went for washing and final inspection before boxed to be air shipped.

unlike any piston currently available for ATV's...:macho

[xsr_racing28c]

Sweet, I can't wait to see them!!!
~Jay

[czrider263]

Can't wait to start seeing this build start up again and then see the results of all the work chad did on his pistons and more....

[wppracing]

We might have to try one with my set up....:D

[czrider263]

Brain I see you hit 57 was that with my 208?

[CDCHONDAS]

chad I am sending you a PM

[wppracing]

No,
That was with a 493/729 Web
I still havent tried the 208.

[ghott]

Where they at birthday boy?

[chad502ex]

I've been told by JE that the pistons are in-route from CA to MD.. wahooo:macho

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
I've been told by JE that the pistons are in-route from CA to MD.. wahooo:macho


SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET:devil:

[chad502ex]

yup, JE Piston management said that these pistons are a biatch to manufacture. They wasted 2 of the 6 forgings when they were making them, and had to start those two all over. No worries though, it'll be worth the wait.

[czrider263]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i want to see them so bad!!!!!



BTW brent becker decided to stop by my house today LOL.

[czrider263]

here are some pics of the DASA pipe for this monster motor.

[czrider263]

......

[chad502ex]

all tore down ready for the installation of this sweet Falicon Supercrank

even the centercases are cleaned up ready for re-assembly....


love this stuff, don't we?

[chad502ex]

even the head has been finalized ready...


boouyah!

[eganracing]

very nice :D

[czrider263]

OMG that head is pretty!!!

That crank also looks sick.

Can't wait to see this motor on a dyno.

Keep up the good work chad!

[xsr_racing28c]

Looking good!! Looks very familiar!! :D

[patrickj75]

everything looks so purdy, brings a tear to my eye.....

[chad502ex]

I should have the entire bottom end- up to the cam- assembled by Sunday...

can't finish the build until Web cam ships the cam to us...

Once the cam is here, it'll be just a 30 minute drop-in and it'll be all finished including the Dynatek re-programmed, and the DRG 43mm taper bore carb all assembled too!!!

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
I should have the entire bottom end- up to the cam- assembled by Sunday...

can't finish the build until Web cam ships the cam to us...

Once the cam is here, it'll be just a 30 minute drop-in and it'll be all finished including the Dynatek re-programmed, and the DRG 43mm taper bore carb all assembled too!!!


I really can't wait to ride this thing.

P.S chad could you have your laptop at home when i come to pick up the motor so we could reporgram my 06 ignition?

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
I really can't wait to ride this thing.

P.S chad could you have your laptop at home when i come to pick up the motor so we could reporgram my 06 ignition?

oh no problem i have a new laptop and computers all about that can do this now....

[czrider263]

Sweet...

Having another 2,000 rpm will help alot.

[chad502ex]

the bottom end is complete, just top end left..

will get done tommorow and post a pic...


:macho:

[czrider263]

I don't want to jump in with another topic but I thought I would share some information.

Well for this monster motor I bought a DASA intake system for it instead of the K and N set up I was running. I also had a K and N set up from a 06 around so I took some pictures to show the difference.

First here is the 05 K and N set up.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0013.jpg

06 K and N set up.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0014.jpg

DASA 04-05 Intake.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0015.jpg

All three together.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0018.jpg

The main difference to me was the rings themselfs. Both of the K and N setups had a ring with a very small roll on the intake side. I would think the more the better to a point. Here is a picture to show what I mean.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0022.jpg

Backside going into the intake tube.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0021.jpg

A nice picture of the DASA ring.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0019.jpg

Whats nice about the DASA is it uses a 06 size filter on a 04-05 bike. The DASA intake makes up for the size difference with that huge roll. The 05 ring is so small it fits into the 06 ring. That shows you how much of a size difference it makes up.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/Intakes/IMG_0024.jpg

[chad502ex]

Great info Alex...


Those DASA intake rings, commonly called Pagrams, are like intake velocity stacks used to couple the larger filter to the intake tube/box, while increasing the velocity of the intake air into the cylinder head...


remember,...

cfm = QV

where V is the velocity in ft/min.
and Q is the cross sectional area..


anyway, with my new flow bench and software, I'll be providing a lot of air flow data in the upcoming days...




This build should be silly low to mid build... extremely fast arm yanking power with ~16:1 static compression, mid cam, velocity intake, DRG ignition to compliment mid range, with plenty of velocity increase with the DRG 43mm taper bore FCR carb...

I'll post a picture tonight...

[chad502ex]

yup... :D

[czrider263]

That looks so sweet chad!

We will have to talk about our cam problem on monday.

P.S there is nothing better than a new motor sitting on a land o sun crate.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
That looks so sweet chad!

We will have to talk about our cam problem on monday.

P.S there is nothing better than a new motor sitting on a land o sun crate.

I will be in contact with Web Cams on Monday for a status update.

[xsr_racing28c]

Looks great Alex and Chad!! I'm hoping to have my quad completely buttoned up by the weekend. That 5 day vacation didn't allow me to get it done.

I can't wait to hear your thoughts, cuz i'm pretty sure we'll mostly have the same motor.

What cam are you going with?

~Jay

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Looks great Alex and Chad!! I'm hoping to have my quad completely buttoned up by the weekend. That 5 day vacation didn't allow me to get it done.

I can't wait to hear your thoughts, cuz i'm pretty sure we'll mostly have the same motor.

What cam are you going with?

~Jay

czrider263 kinda changed his mind a wanted more an MX low-to-mid build...

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
czrider263 kinda changed his mind a wanted more an MX low-to-mid build...

Its true! i thought since the piston adds a nice mid range burst i should add a cam to match. I mean its nice to say you rev the piss out of your motor when you race but really i end up riding in the mid range of the bike. Should yank my arms off out of turns:devil: .

[xsr_racing28c]

Sweet, I can't wait to see you opinions on here about it. Any kind of time frame on it?

~Jay

[czrider263]

Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
Sweet, I can't wait to see you opinions on here about it. Any kind of time frame on it?

~Jay

Well i just got of the phone with Chad. He told me that he is calling Web about the cam. If all goes as planed the build will be done this weekend and going into the fame that weekend as well.

I CAN'T WAIT:devil: :blah:

[czrider263]

Good news the cam came today.

Hopefully i will pick it up saturday, and put it in the frame tuesday and fire her up!:macho

[czrider263]

Ok well my father and I made the drive down to chads today to pick up our monster. Like always we were impressed with the work he did. More info on the rebuild on tues when I bolt it all togeter. Here are a few pics of the motor.

Ready for the ride home.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0801.jpg

siting on the table waiting to meet the frame.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0803.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0804.jpg

[czrider263]

I said I was going to wait till tuesday but I couldn't. I finished the bike today and did the first break in.

airbox
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0807.jpg

frame ready for the motor.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0808.jpg

ignition in.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0809.jpg

motor in frame.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0810.jpg

carb and airbox
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0812.jpg

[czrider263]

pipe..
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0813.jpg

plastics
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0815.jpg

motor close up, LOVE the SSAR:macho
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0816.jpg

ALL DONE!!!!!!!!!!
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/05%20rebuild/IMG_0820.jpg

[quadking224]

I have to say that this beast is one of a kind!!!!...just insane...thats all that i can describe it as...insane!!!!sweet bike koz

[czrider263]

Well i got to do more riding today and well HOLY S**T. This thing is just amazing. I thought my 53hp 06 was fast. This thing would smoke it. It rev's so fast and has SO much bottom end it is almost uncontrolable. And the sweet thing is that the power doesn't fall ontop. It just keeps pulling. I gunned it at the bottom of the driveway and it did a wheelie from 1-4 th gear.

CHAD YOU DID A AMAZING JOB:macho :macho :macho

[ghott]

Lookin good CZ. Gonna dyno this one? Does she feel as strong as the last MX build that was 54-55hp?

Nice job chad :cool:

[czrider263]

Originally posted by ghott
Lookin good CZ. Gonna dyno this one? Does she feel as strong as the last MX build that was 54-55hp?

Nice job chad :cool:


I hope to dyno it. The bike is alot stronger than the 06 with 53+hp. It really flat out pulls.:devil:

[chad502ex]

this is so awesome to hear.... I'm glad you like it....

now, let me see...... what can i do next...... oh yea,.....


well, first thing is plug in my new flowbench,

,.. release my piston to others.....


then,.....

release a cam? HEHE, yup (modeled at 60hp on stock bore, stock stroke, stock valves)


...lets just say i've been tweaking a cam profile on my software that should pull 3 more from peak torque to peak hp without any loss below peak torque and more gain at peak to rev limit over well take a guess...

[400exrider0004]

I would like that cam :eek2:

[czrider263]

Well tom I will get to really rip on the 05. I haven't yet had a chance to really open it up. Hopefully I will have pictures and maybe a video.:macho

[honda4life72]

i thought it was a tt bike :confused:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by honda4life72
i thought it was a tt bike :confused:

originally it was gonna been but earlier in this thread it was changed to more a mx build.

there is a TT build i did in the xsr_racing28c thread.. we patiently wanting for him to wrap up his build to with his installation...

[xsr_racing28c]

The quad looks great Alex. Mine is 95% done, i just gotta tighten some nuts, fill the fluids, wire in some new kill switches and a new tether, and put on the front plastics and I'm done. I'm hoping to get the rest of it finished up on weds nite.

I wish i could have had this thing together already, but I'm in the midst of starting up my own busniess and I'm busy as can be lately.

I'll have a finished product by the weekend Chad, I know your anxious!!!!

;)

~Jay

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by xsr_racing28c
The quad looks great Alex. Mine is 95% done, i just gotta tighten some nuts, fill the fluids, wire in some new kill switches and a new tether, and put on the front plastics and I'm done. I'm hoping to get the rest of it finished up on weds nite.

I wish i could have had this thing together already, but I'm in the midst of starting up my own busniess and I'm busy as can be lately.

I'll have a finished product by the weekend Chad, I know your anxious!!!!

;)

~Jay

it's kewl. I know your gonna flip when you feel your thumper for sure.... have fun and be safe.

[xsr_racing28c]

Chad, I couldn't be happier already. I'm just very happy to see it come together. I will post a bunch of pics once I get it done. There calling for 7 days of strait rain here, so the chances of getting out riding are going to be slim, but at least I can get it all tightened up and kick it over for a min.....

~Jay

[czrider263]

xsr_racing28c-

You are not going to believe the power that these motors have. When i rode mine yestarday I was in shock.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
xsr_racing28c-

You are not going to believe the power that these motors have. When i rode mine yestarday I was in shock.

you were in shock with how much power it has?:devil:

hehe

[xsr_racing28c]

haha.. Yea I can't wait. When are you gonna get that beast on the dyno? I can't wait to see the power curve!!!

~Jay

[czrider263]

hopefully as soon as matts dyno is together.

[Kilabanshee]

Alex I picked up a frame the other day. If you're free some weekend you should come up and give me a hand swaping the parts over.

[czrider263]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Alex I picked up a frame the other day. If you're free some weekend you should come up and give me a hand swaping the parts over.

Thats a will do. I got my license so now i can drive up.

[chad502ex]

Great to hear you like your latest SSAR build. I knew you would...

;)

[Kilabanshee]

Chad do you have any more of the drg pistons comming? I'de like to have a fresh top end for this season. Alex are you available this weekend?

[czrider263]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Alex are you available this weekend?

Def not fri or sat becuase both me and chad will be at sleepy. Maybe some other time tho.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Chad do you have any more of the drg pistons comming? I'de like to have a fresh top end for this season. Alex are you available this weekend?

I plan on ordering another batch soon.... i'll keep you informed..

[czrider263]

had the first race on the bike today. did ok for crashing in moto 2. one thing for sure is the bike is crazy fast. Great build chad!!! hope i did drg justice and didn't let you down. that holshot was for you.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
had the first race on the bike today. did ok for crashing in moto 2. one thing for sure is the bike is crazy fast. Great build chad!!! hope i did drg justice and didn't let you down. that holshot was for you.

One holeshot I'll never forget.... Glad your shoulder was doctored to be only bruised and not broken... good.

Your setup is sick no doubt. I've riden many 55hp builds and that 05 you have tromps them all. It lays it down- no doubt! One build I'm doing for myself... Thanks for letting me ride.

Heal up and get out there again....


Oh, and it was real kewl meeting the others like Ryan, and TMS....

[TMSmx47]

Chad it was an extreme pleasure!! Great guy to know and talk too!! I'm sure we'll chat more in the near future!! ;)

As for you Alex.. Your a nut man!! I see the holeshot and your out front haulin'.... The dust clears and I see you as a freakin lawn dart on your head face first in the dirt!! Helmet visor broke off and in your eyes! Rear fenders bent and broke! How in the helll did that happen?!?!?

Jerry

[czrider263]

The front end was way up due to the large amounts of hp. When i let off for the turn the front end droped into soft stuff and cought and just flipped me off. I Tried to flip it over and continue but my shoulder made me just go slow around the track.

[Kilabanshee]

Sorry to hear about the bad luck Alex. Atleast you grabbed a holeshot. This sounds almost exactly what happened to me at Dutchmen last year when I pulled my first holeshot for drg then crashed shortly after haha.. Maybe you should have came up to my house this weekend. Would have saved you a bruized shoulder. I got my quad torn apart. Motor is out basically everything is off and out of my old frame. Still waiting to send out my shocks and get some new stuff ordered. I'm also debating on wheather of not i should freshen up my top end since she does have a decent amount of hours already on her. Just so much sh1t to do and so little time! Chad I'll be giving you a call probably tomarrow or tuesday.

[czrider263]

have fun swapping parts. i think im going to sleepy next weekend to cheer on one of my buddy's. As for your motor you might want to change cams and maybe get your vavle seats cleaned up. me and chad love the web 493. If you get a web get it welded or it might spin on you like my 208 or 943 did. I will pop out the cam in the 05 to get welded soon. All i messed up on my quad so far is the rear plastics and rear number plate.

BTW chad thanks for such a strong motor i was thinking about it today how your motor pulled a 290lbs in gear kid in front. Thats when you know you got hp. You do wonderful work.

[czrider263]

here are some pics

the line of racers
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/IMG_0845.jpg

me getting ready
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/czrider263/IMG_0840.jpg

[yfz450kid259]

i know u got some pics of me alex

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263

BTW chad thanks for such a strong motor i was thinking about it today how your motor pulled a 290lbs in gear kid in front. Thats when you know you got hp. You do wonderful work.

Certainly Alex,... I was real impressed with your holeshot second moto.. no doubt watching you pull it with your front sneakers skyward demonstrated to me that you had it going on....

I'm glad you like your engine. Your welcome.


When I rode it, there was no doubt in my mind that it was the sickest stock bore i've riden... I want one just like it!

Oh, update your sig... hehe

[czrider263]

Originally posted by yfz450kid259
i know u got some pics of me alex

Only pic i have of you is by my trailer.

Updated sig.

[yfz450kid259]

thats wack

[quadking224]

yo..good to see that ur ok man..sux i had to miss that race..the holidays jus messed my plans up..ne way..hopefully we can be back in action soon..feel real bad i wasnt there...but w/e u cant fix fait...ight ttyl koz..gld u didnt break nothin lol...later

[TMSmx47]

Originally posted by yfz450kid259
thats wack

Yeah man that IS whack!! I woulda def got a pic of you pushin your bike back up the hill after you broke it.. LOL!!! Nah man just playin! Nice meetin ya though for sure! Hope to see ya back this sunday! Hopefully I'll have my R back with the new BALDWIN motor in it! Have some fun then!! ;)

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Yeah man that IS whack!! I woulda def got a pic of you pushin your bike back up the hill after you broke it.. LOL!!! Nah man just playin! Nice meetin ya though for sure! Hope to see ya back this sunday! Hopefully I'll have my R back with the new BALDWIN motor in it! Have some fun then!! ;)

Oh Baldwin,... you suck! You wanta drag race? LOL.. hehe

[yfz450kid259]

hahahahaahh

[yfz450kid259]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Yeah man that IS whack!! I woulda def got a pic of you pushin your bike back up the hill after you broke it.. LOL!!! Nah man just playin! Nice meetin ya though for sure! Hope to see ya back this sunday! Hopefully I'll have my R back with the new BALDWIN motor in it! Have some fun then!! ;)

hahah not funny man i was so pissed, yea it was nice meting u wait you the guy with the earing and gotee right the one who snaped his friends stearing stem

[TMSmx47]

Originally posted by chad502ex
Oh Baldwin,... you suck! You wanta drag race? LOL.. hehe

HAHA.. Well Chad it was one of those things ya know.. I didn't wanna deal with the aggravation of mine anymore! I got a super deal on this one.. BALDWIN Piston, BALDWIN head, BALDWIN FCR, CRF Ignition, HINSON clutch. So I'll get back out there...... THEEEENNNNNN when I have the down time it goes to you! ;)

Yeah Ryan, that was me with the broken steering stem! Woulda been a pretty good pic if someone took one as I was mid-flight with no bars on the bike!!.. LOL!! I bailed off so fast as it launched the burm!

PS.. Alex I'll run your bike this Sunday if your hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell him Chad!!!!!!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
HAHA.. Well Chad it was one of those things ya know.. I didn't wanna deal with the aggravation of mine anymore! I got a super deal on this one.. BALDWIN Piston, BALDWIN head, BALDWIN FCR, CRF Ignition, HINSON clutch. So I'll get back out there...... THEEEENNNNNN when I have the down time it goes to you! ;)

Yeah Ryan, that was me with the broken steering stem! Woulda been a pretty good pic if someone took one as I was mid-flight with no bars on the bike!!.. LOL!! I bailed off so fast as it launched the burm!

PS.. Alex I'll run your bike this Sunday if your hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell him Chad!!!!!!

WOW, what an idea,-yea alex....!!!:devil: :D

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
WOW, what an idea,-yea alex....!!!:devil: :D

I would let him ride it but after he did, he would throw out his baldwin motor LOL:devil: .

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
I would let him ride it but after he did, he would throw out his baldwin motor LOL:devil: .

LOL!!!

[TMSmx47]

Lol.. Come on now guys! Stop beatin me up here!.. Lol.. If I dont have a motor for sunday, Im stuck with the garbage yamaha again! Your killin me!.. LOL! Show me some love gettin DRG out front again!?!?!

[chad502ex]

well, nothing more faster than a racer who's racing someone elses quad,.... only bad thing is the expense for kamikaze racing!! LOL

[TMSmx47]

Lol.. True true Chad.. But Im pickin the baldwin up tomorrow morning. So hopefully we're good to go sunday! Wish you could make the trip up again!.. Lol! Also found a few other things in the old motor that'll give ya chuckle! I'll PM ya!

[Kilabanshee]

Alex since you're now a cripple are you willing to come up and give me a hand with mine?:devil:

[czrider263]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
Alex since you're now a cripple are you willing to come up and give me a hand with mine?:devil:

If i don't go to the races this weekend to cheer on TMS or my other buddy, then i would be glad to give you a helping hand.

[TMSmx47]

YEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! I dunno Alex.. This bad boy rips man!! CRF ignition is sick! Rev's crazy fast!! I have to get you to run B/C Unlimited when your better so we can run against eachother again! Chad will get his drag race!!

;) .. I wanna do the DRG carb though Chad!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
YEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! I dunno Alex.. This bad boy rips man!! CRF ignition is sick! Rev's crazy fast!! I have to get you to run B/C Unlimited when your better so we can run against eachother again! Chad will get his drag race!!

;) .. I wanna do the DRG carb though Chad!

how about pinks slips? ;) hehe

[TMSmx47]

DAMMMMM.. lol!! Chad your talkin crazy!





... But I'd think about it! ;)

[czrider263]

i could use another 450r LOL.

Well hopefully i will come on sunday. and cheer ya on. I will bring my pit board HEHE.

You will love a DRG carb.

[chad502ex]

LOL, I just realized that if ATVRIDERS makes the avatar any smaller, we'll never get to make out who is who without reading their call-sign first.... hehe

[TMSmx47]

Alex or Chad, If you dont mind, could you possibly PM me your FCR carb settings and jet sizes you use.. See if Im in the right ballpark.. Motor just has a real weird power.. Its like flat power for a sec or two right off the bottom when you stab the gas, but then the power hits exactly like a 2-stroke would!! I know Chad you said it could be the FCI, but I also wanna make sure the carb is correct. Gonna try the stock intake too.. Look for any differences..

Thanks guys!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Alex or Chad, If you dont mind, could you possibly PM me your FCR carb settings and jet sizes you use.. See if Im in the right ballpark.. Motor just has a real weird power.. Its like flat power for a sec or two right off the bottom when you stab the gas, but then the power hits exactly like a 2-stroke would!! I know Chad you said it could be the FCI, but I also wanna make sure the carb is correct. Gonna try the stock intake too.. Look for any differences..

Thanks guys!

oh no, its not the carb doing that.. i'd bet you go back to the stock boot and find that the problem disappears.. There appears to be a fix to smooth out the response of the FCI, its rounding over the needle tip into a bullet resemblance instead of it being sharp..

good luck tommorow. you still racing if the weather is crappy?

[TMSmx47]

ok.. I'll try that then with the stock boot set-up. See if that makes a difference! No racin tomorrow, they already cancelled for the weather thats gonna be.. Lol!! Oh well..

PS.. Chad Im gonna PM you my carb settings.. See if Im in the ballpark..

[czrider263]

Ok well I don’t know if people on this site know that there is a small problem with some web cams. What they do is press on a flange onto the cam core at something like 2,000lbs. What has happened to others and myself is that they sometimes spin. I have had two now spin on me. A web 208 and web 943 are the ones that spun on my builds. To help this problem the solution so far is to get the cam welded. To keep the web 493 in my 05 from spinning that is what I did today. Also since my 06 was apart I switched cam towers. As some know the one in the 06 was bored for larger cam profiles. With the 05 cam at .415 lift it needed it a lot more than the 06. So here are some pictures of the welded cam and the cam swap.

[czrider263]

another..

[kazpr]

That cam problem also happened to me on a CRF cam. I was told by my engine builder that it is a fairly common problem.

[TMSmx47]

Good info Alex!!




... Oh BTW, Chad helped me out HUGE! Gave me some advice and turned my bike INSANE! So now either you ride mine, I ride yours, or we try each others for a little comparo session!!.. Lol!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Good info Alex!!




... Oh BTW, Chad helped me out HUGE! Gave me some advice and turned my bike INSANE! So now either you ride mine, I ride yours, or we try each others for a little comparo session!!.. Lol!

Glad your happy and it worked out.


I read your sig. Noticed you have a crf ignition... Did Baldwin put that in?

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
Glad your happy and it worked out.


I read your sig. Noticed you have a crf ignition... Did Baldwin put that in?

Nothing about the cam mod????????????:eek2: :eek2:

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Nothing about the cam mod????????????:eek2: :eek2:

Oh yea, nice..... Only thing I think should be mentioned that I don't want ppl to think that everyone must do this,.... I've been told that the cam flange twist is a 'fluke'. I'm not sure why it happened twice to you though,....

Great info, thanks Alex.

[TMSmx47]

Originally posted by chad502ex
Glad your happy and it worked out.


I read your sig. Noticed you have a crf ignition... Did Baldwin put that in?

Yeah.. Motor came with Baldwin/CRF Ign/wire harness.. Baldwin 14:1, Baldwin FCR.. Baldwin ported head.. Baldwin MX cam.. Full Hinson clutch.

That CRF Ign is nasty!! Helps it rev so much faster then I was used to before!

Something to look into Alex...

[czrider263]

Originally posted by TMSmx47

Something to look into Alex...


Not to be mean but me and chad have other tricks to make them rev crazy fast.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Not to be mean but me and chad have other tricks to make them rev crazy fast.

absolutely, there has been extensive dyno testing and all have proven that removing weight removes the interia needed for higher end horsepower. It may feel zippier with a lighter flywheel but I'll take the dynos word and save $800 for the conversion kit.

Oh, don't take this wrong TMS, there are many whom like the ignition modification- it's kewl.

Now that were talking measured hp increase on the dyno, when you sending your carb?

[TMSmx47]

Lol.. Ok Chad.. Took it off and boxed it up. PM me the addy and I'll ship it right down!! ;)

[czrider263]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Lol.. Ok Chad.. Took it off and boxed it up. PM me the addy and I'll ship it right down!! ;)


YEAH ANOTHER DRG BROTHER. Welcome to the brotherhood of horsepower.

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
YEAH ANOTHER DRG BROTHER. Welcome to the brotherhood of horsepower.

spreading like wild-fire...

Alex I emailed spy-photos to you,... keep private please. hehe

[czrider263]

Originally posted by chad502ex
spreading like wild-fire...

Alex I emailed spy-photos to you,... keep private please. hehe

I always keep it on the DL.

P.S thanks chad!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
I always keep it on the DL.

P.S thanks chad!

:cool:

[TMSmx47]

Uh oh Chad.. You showin him spy photos of all my new motor stuff!.. Lol!?!?!

Oh yeah Alex, Im comin to the brotherhood.. And Im comin fast! Gonna try to bring DRG a 2007 ECS Honda, Sleepy Series Open B Championship this season and hopefully a few National B Series' coverage. I'll have to keep you posted with progress Chad!

[Kilabanshee]

I didn't get any spy photos.:mad: :macho

[czrider263]

Originally posted by Kilabanshee
I didn't get any spy photos.:mad: :macho

Sry kila!:( Im sure chad had a brain fart and forgot about our old crazy brent.

Speaking of crazy brent how have things been going? Have you swaped parts onto the new frame? Hows the DRG powerplant doing?

Chad looking forward to your new work!:macho Keep me super updated on all things new DRG.

[TMSmx47]

Alex.. All this time off.. You get back on the bike yet?

[czrider263]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Alex.. All this time off.. You get back on the bike yet?

Yeah im trying to get back into it. Been riding the ltr some and that doesn't really hurt my shoulder. But when i got on my 05 )which i finished today) it really hurt cuz it pulls so much harder. Hope to race next weekend.

[TMSmx47]

Damm Alex.. Missed ya out there today!

I had a good day though! 2nd overall, $60 cash, and the new motor pulled its holeshots like it was supposed too! ;)

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Damm Alex.. Missed ya out there today!

I had a good day though! 2nd overall, $60 cash, and the new motor pulled its holeshots like it was supposed too! ;)

Great job!! good to hear you did well.

[TMSmx47]

Originally posted by chad502ex
Great job!! good to hear you did well.

Thanks Chad.. I wish you were there too to hang out! The motor was great but needs a little more ummff! I was side by side alot of the time with a TC motor.. We may need some DRG giddy-up over here!.. LOL!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by TMSmx47
Thanks Chad.. I wish you were there too to hang out! The motor was great but needs a little more ummff! I was side by side alot of the time with a TC motor.. We may need some DRG giddy-up over here!.. LOL!

however i can help just let me know. sounds like your doing well with 2nd overall. good job.

[czrider263]

Chad the cam in the 06 may not have spun. I will call you later funny story!

[chad502ex]

Originally posted by czrider263
Chad the cam in the 06 may not have spun. I will call you later funny story!

ok-great.

[allstock]

omg alex do you ever let these threads die? lol. why werent you at atco yesterday?

[czrider263]

NEVER!!! lol. Well i have been trying to get better from the crash i had a sleepy. and ive also had other plans. I will get back to racing really soon don't worry.

[TMSmx47]

You better be healed up Alex.. You got three more weeks till Sleepy again! Do what ya gotta do!! And dont forget to pick up Chad and get his tail back up here!

[czrider263]

IDK if he will ever want to watch another race with me in it again LOL. But i will try. I def will be racing soon. You can expect me coming back faster and owning sleepy LOL. C ya there. GO #47!

[Kilabanshee]

Well I got alittle news on my part..... My shocks should be back probably sometime tomarrow. I decided to try a dual rate Ti-Spring set up for my fronts along with a 25lb stiffer rear shock spring. I sent my fcr carburator to cernics because something was broken in my hotstart assembly. Expecting to have all the parts in sometime thursday or friday. Alex are you going to come up and give me a hand once i get all these parts in? I can't wait to get back on the motocross track.