gncc bike?

[honda4life72]

ok i have a stock 450r and need to know the must haves to make it into a good gncc machine... it does good stock but i knwo i need good tires atleast........

[LeGaCyGiAnT124]

get some razr 2s all around on itp bajas. I raced yesterday with them and didnt have a problem. Also i would suggest a arms skids and underbody skid plates, also you might need some handguards.

[honda4life72]

ok will the razer2's beign 6 ply slow me down or can you not tell a difference between the razers and stock tires? i wnat light tires

[coryatver]

skid plates, 6 ply tires, tether kill switch. and get yourself in shape too.

[red2004 TRX450R]

Originally posted by honda4life72
ok will the razer2's beign 6 ply slow me down or can you not tell a difference between the razers and stock tires? i wnat light tires

the stock tires will slow you down when there is no air in them.

yes they will take away very little power, but you will gain lots of reliability and its a 2 hour race.
but what hp you lose with the extra weight you will gain in traction and be faster. and the 450r has more power than u can use most of the time any way.

you need
good tires , skids, rebuilt shocks/ aftermarket shocks, kill switch, dampener. get all that before you do any motor mods!!
and you need to be able to jog for at least 2 hours with out stopping.
because with endurance racing the endurance of the rider and machine is #1.

[honda4life72]

well i think i am in shape ...i play football for parkwood high school and practice is pretty long..but i may be wrong i will have to go try to ride hard as i can in my woods for 2-3 hours no stop and see if i can inprove my times..... ok so if i get razer 2's will i still be able to jump and stuff and not hold me back to bad? i mean not on a track but like no higher than 10 feet and i may hold off on the shocks for a bit it rides alright right now ...when i get money should i keep it at stock witdh or +1 or what?

and what about the irazers are they any good?

[honda4life72]

what type wheels are the best besides hiper? unless i get a used pair of hipers i will have to go with alum or sumthing ..whats the best alum wheel?

[400exmom]

Originally posted by honda4life72
what type wheels are the best besides hiper? unless i get a used pair of hipers i will have to go with alum or sumthing ..whats the best alum wheel? whats wrong with the stock ones? just get some razor2's on the stock rims..get suspension before you dump money into anything else if yer racin woods!

[Mxjunkie]

Itp gncc's front and rear, steering dampner, flex bars, gripper seat cover, handguards, skid plates, nerfs, exhaust and a filter.

Just a cheap run at it

[parkers30]

Stock honda wheels are almost as strong as ITP bajas and such and much lighter

6ply tires, skids, bars and grips, hand guards, steering dampner then suspension

[honda4life72]

ok well should i run nerfs?

heres my list

flexx bars
irazer on rear razer2 on front
skid plates
bumper( by the way what is a good one to use)
kill switch
hand guards
dampner( whats a good dampner)

[honda4life72]

also i am 6'1 180 pounds..but my suspension does ok the way it is now..but who can rebuild my shocks for me and how much will it cost?

[red2004 TRX450R]

Originally posted by honda4life72
also i am 6'1 180 pounds..but my suspension does ok the way it is now..but who can rebuild my shocks for me and how much will it cost?

GT thunder
they have the best XC rebuilds but others will say XXX, any are better than stock.
but GT does extensive XC testing.

[SwainRacing]

Suspension, Suspension, Suspension! (the smother your ride the faster you can go and will not ware you at as much)

Steering Dampner (I run Denton rebuildable, got spare money go with elka or precision)

Good tires, your choice (I run Razor2 and love them)

Good wheels to take the abuse ( I run ITP BAJA up front and ITP bead locks on the back. If you got the extra cash go with HIPER)

Flexx Bars (not needed but work great)

Hand Guards/Mud Guards (pretty much need these to keep your grips some what clean in the muddy races, I run CYCRA with MSR elephant ears)

Nerfs ( I use them some dont, up to you)

HRC Kit ( for a little more power)

You will probably need a longer steering stem for your hight. I am 5'10 and like my bars high.

Good strong bumper (I run a proarmor but would also recomend PRM Summit)

Swingarm and frame skid. (I dont run any on the arms they just get tore off)

Camel Back for water

Kill switch (I run the ProArmor one)

[honda4life72]

should i widen it +1 or leave it stock width?

[honda4life72]

whats gt thunders site?

[MO-EX-RIDER]

kill switch (you will hit a tree and be ejected)
strong bumper-prm summit IMO
camel back
dampner(stick style will work fine)
6 ply tires
skidplates
and the biggest thing - Endurance+Using Your Head

then when you get more$$$
get suspension/hipers/better dampner/motor work

[DJJ450r]

you need good tires, I run HDs rear and GNCC fronts with Tireballs. Don't waste your money on stick style dampner and get a Precision or W.E.R. Skid plates, I run AC frame and Pro Tect swingarm (it's stainless steel:devil: ) suspension is very important and I run Axis LT with +.5 a-arms and 4+1 offset Hipers, I had rebuilds then switched to Axis is its a night and day difference and I think suspension is the biggest thing thats helped me out. killswitch incase you crash. That's all I can think of right now I'm sure everyones covered the basics:blah:

www.gtthunder.com

[woodsman250r]

Don't listen to the people who say get new rims, pipe, filter first. Majority of people can't use all of the power of a stock 450 in the woods let alone one with performance mods with no suspension work. Those are the things you get last after suspension and protective parts. If you really want to improve your times do your suspension work first because that is step 1 no matter what others will say. Also a steering stabilizer is almost a must if you are racing in the woods. Get a good Precision, GPR or W.E.R one if you have the extra cash. For tires I am biased towards Maxxis and have had great success using the razr's razr II and iRazr in the rear. Your best bet is using a Razr II in the front in either a 21 or 22 inch. Also get a full aluminum chassis skid. The stock swingarm skid should be fine for now unless you run in nasty rocks. Keep the stock bars until you bend them but get some good handguards and some good comfortable grips. Also a gripper seat cover does wonders in mud races.

[DJJ450r]

I also wouldn't get an aftermarket filter, the stock one is the best if you want your motor to last.

[honda4life72]

yea i was planing on runing the stock filter with a kand n air filter lid and outerwear

i am gunna have to hold on shocks till i get a bumper and nerfs and heel guards and tires..should i turn my stock ones all the way down or what?

[honda4life72]

hey djj450r can u post pics of your 450r? i seen it before and it looks really good

[DJJ450r]

Originally posted by honda4life72
hey djj450r can u post pics of your 450r? i seen it before and it looks really good Thank you:D

[DJJ450r]

before LT front end and with photoshopped graphics:blah:

[DJJ450r]

in action:devil:

[honda4life72]

have you ever stuck your foot down beside the tire and nerf? i can't decide on ac with heel guards or not heelguards.... and is it any different to run nerfs tan not? do they drag or get in way?

[honda4life72]

can you tell that big or differnece with the long travel front end? i was thinkin bought just geting standard size

[DJJ450r]

I can't stand AC heelgaurds I had them and I couldn't roll my foot back enough, and no my foot never got ate by my tire:blah: The benefit of nerfs in XC is to keep your back tire from hitting trees, some people like nets some don't. My nerfs are lower than stock which is more comfortable for me because im tall but they do drag a little bit in creek sections and what not. Next season I'm puttin stock pegs back on with derisi footpeg extenders and these custom made nerfs, the benefit of these nerfs is they stick out past the rear tire more so your back tire never touches trees:macho

[DJJ450r]

Originally posted by honda4life72
can you tell that big or differnece with the long travel front end? i was thinkin bought just geting standard size I never had std travel aftermarket shocks, I went from stock rebuilds to LT axis and I'll never ride anything else. They soak up everything I can throw at them. :macho

[honda4life72]

yea i am 6'1 and i roll my foot back and i wear a 14 so i need space..i may just get the cheap blingstar pro-ams and stock footpegs...where cna i get a set of good looking extenders?

[DJJ450r]

Derisi and Pro Armor are the only ones I know of.

[honda4life72]

and are you gunna sell your nerfs you have now to get them? and does the black on the nerfs and bumper chip pretty easy?

[DJJ450r]

Yes I plan on selling my AC nerfs to help pay for my new ones, and the paint does chip pretty easy, especially when you race in rocky races, like every race in Missouri:blah: Them nerfs with no nets are only $70 too:D

[honda4life72]

when are you gunna sell em? i need soem and know a painter who cna paint em for free

[honda4life72]

do you knwo where i cna get some really cheap nerfs? like under 100 bucks..

[DJJ450r]

I don't know I guess when ever I get the other nerfs, where are you located? I warn you these arn't in the best of shape:blah:

[honda4life72]

yea but i don't realyl care how they look unless they are bent..north carolina.. i'm 15 and quit being a amatur paintball player to start raceing...and all my paintball gear paid for my quad so that will tell you how good i was.... i had sponsers and when my time ran out i left and sold everthign...... but um do u know where i can get some cheap new ones?

[honda4life72]

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[DJJ450r]

=I think tusk nerfs are like $130 or something:confused: and the ones without nets that I posted are $70-$80 idk he might of raised the price, a local guy in Missouri makes them. And the only thing bent on my nerfs are the tabs for the nets from hitting rocks:p

[honda4life72]

ok..have you ever used blingstar?

[DJJ450r]

nope

[honda4life72]

ok well i probley get ac propegs in black with a ac mudscreen bumper

[honda4life72]

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[honda4life72]

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