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JJs450r
09-18-2006, 10:16 PM
Just gettin an idea of new front shocks im looking into get its not just how they ride i like the way they look havent seen to many tcs set ups lets see em
SANDFANATIC
09-19-2006, 03:19 PM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e83/SANDFANATIC/Desert/Willie2.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/Misrema/GW%20090806/Picture020-2.jpg
FUELATV
09-19-2006, 04:40 PM
Here are the New Long Travel A-arms we offer for the LTR450 with TCS shocks.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d169/FUELATV2005/A-ARMLTR45015-1.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d169/FUELATV2005/A-ARMLTR45020-1.jpg
BigFish
09-19-2006, 04:51 PM
Here's my buddies setup, fixing to sell/ partout the quad...
BigFish
09-19-2006, 04:54 PM
Forgot to resize pic...
JJs450r
09-19-2006, 06:46 PM
nice i believe those are my next shocks cant wait to get em
jacobw
09-19-2006, 07:03 PM
heres one:D
jacobw
09-19-2006, 07:03 PM
one more:D
jacobw
09-19-2006, 07:12 PM
new xc bike
JJs450r
09-20-2006, 09:29 PM
sweet cant wait to get mine :D hopefully in a week or two
stocktires
09-21-2006, 06:13 PM
Nice Dale Jacob!
jacobw
09-21-2006, 06:17 PM
I have worked hard to get it like this and ti runs great and its pretty much bullet proof I am on my 3rd year of racing on it.:D
wizecracka
09-26-2006, 06:20 PM
LONG TRAVEL
tar
09-27-2006, 02:57 PM
Sweet setup. If you don't mind me askin how much did you pay for just the shocks?
wizecracka
09-27-2006, 03:15 PM
Around $1,200. $1,800 for the whole setup.:scary:
SANDFANATIC
09-27-2006, 03:24 PM
That's only the front end, right?
wizecracka
09-27-2006, 03:29 PM
Yes. I'll try to get the rear done next week.:chinese:
SANDFANATIC
09-27-2006, 04:06 PM
It cost me close to $2600 to do all the way around.
JJs450r
09-27-2006, 05:42 PM
dang is the rear shock that much money?
SANDFANATIC
09-27-2006, 05:45 PM
Shock and axle.
Chino886
09-27-2006, 05:46 PM
What about TCS rebuild!
Chino886
09-27-2006, 05:48 PM
another
JJs450r
09-27-2006, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by SANDFANATIC
Shock and axle.

O ok figured u could buy peps for that much money
Phills450r
09-27-2006, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
another

that is one nice 450.. you know what would even make it look nicer.. somehow be able to put just the front BLACK fenders on the white shrouds!! woo
400exrider707
09-27-2006, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
What about TCS rebuild!


aboslutely awesome, I love my TCS rebuilds. Did C&D do yours?

cant see mine below the shock covers but neither can my competition:devil:
400exrider707
09-27-2006, 08:10 PM
newer pic, cant see the shocks, but you can definitely see how low and wide it is even with stock arms. I love these shocks. They ride even better than my 400 with full elka suspension did. These soak up all of the small stuff and all of the big stuff, even flat landing.
Chino886
09-28-2006, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
aboslutely awesome, I love my TCS rebuilds. Did C&D do yours?

cant see mine below the shock covers but neither can my competition:devil:

No, Colby did not do mine, JH Racing out of Oklahoma did mine!

I can't stand having shock covers on, I am looking for a set of Neoprene shock covers for them though!
400exMO
09-28-2006, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
newer pic, cant see the shocks, but you can definitely see how low and wide it is even with stock arms. I love these shocks. They ride even better than my 400 with full elka suspension did. These soak up all of the small stuff and all of the big stuff, even flat landing.
Hey, can you get a pic of your bike head on with the rebuilds??
Chino886
09-28-2006, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by 400exMO
Hey, can you get a pic of your bike head on with the rebuilds??

This is all I have right now, but I can get you another
400exrider707
09-28-2006, 11:19 AM
This is about as close to front on as I have on my comp at school....
400exMO
09-28-2006, 12:15 PM
I'm just wanting a pic that shows how wide the stock aarms are with rebuilds.
juanki
10-03-2006, 12:14 PM
these are mine, triple rate and comp adjust
SANDFANATIC
10-03-2006, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by 400exMO
I'm just wanting a pic that shows how wide the stock aarms are with rebuilds.

The arms don't move. The are hard metal. The width is the width. It doesn't matter what shocks you put on. If you want to change the width of the arms, you have to buy new ones.
tar
10-03-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by SANDFANATIC
The arms don't move. The are hard metal. The width is the width. It doesn't matter what shocks you put on. If you want to change the width of the arms, you have to buy new ones.

Not really think about it if the new shocks sag more then the arms would be farther out and you would have lower ground clearance. :ermm:
SANDFANATIC
10-03-2006, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by tar
Not really think about it if the new shocks sag more then the arms would be farther out and you would have lower ground clearance. :ermm:


That has nothing to do with brand or type of shock. That has to do with ride height set up.
400exrider707
10-04-2006, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by SANDFANATIC
That has nothing to do with brand or type of shock. That has to do with ride height set up.

You just contradicted yourself. It has everything to do with the type of shock. They are ZPS, they will sit lower than stockers with the preload backed all the way off.
400eXr1d3rZ
10-04-2006, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by juanki
these are mine, triple rate and comp adjust

Nice R ;)
TBD
10-05-2006, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
You just contradicted yourself. It has everything to do with the type of shock. They are ZPS, they will sit lower than stockers with the preload backed all the way off.

It has nothing to do with ZPS anymore as well. We are running a daul rate spring set up with the main spring bieng proggressive and we can achieve the same ride hieght as a ZPS set up without tender springs.

He is right that shocks do not matter because you can pretty much choose how much sag you would like. So if this guy wants to know how wide his quad will be then he should just cycle his suspension to the hieght and width he wants and then see if the shock builder can achieve that.
400exrider707
10-05-2006, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by TBD
It has nothing to do with ZPS anymore as well. We are running a daul rate spring set up with the main spring bieng proggressive and we can achieve the same ride hieght as a ZPS set up without tender springs.

He is right that shocks do not matter because you can pretty much choose how much sag you would like. So if this guy wants to know how wide his quad will be then he should just cycle his suspension to the hieght and width he wants and then see if the shock builder can achieve that.

Well the shock would matter, because a stock OEM shock will not sit as low as the rebuilds. Granted as you said a dual rate spring setup can still sit just as low, I was only using ZPS as an example. The quad will not sit this low with the stock shocks on it. So tell me how the shock does not matter?

You said yourself to see if the "shock builder can achieve it" So a shock would have to be built to achieve this ride height/width
TBD
10-05-2006, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
Well the shock would matter, because a stock OEM shock will not sit as low as the rebuilds. Granted as you said a dual rate spring setup can still sit just as low, I was only using ZPS as an example. The quad will not sit this low with the stock shocks on it. So tell me how the shock does not matter?

You said yourself to see if the "shock builder can achieve it" So a shock would have to be built to achieve this ride height/width
You are totally correct. A shock would have to be built. Depending on the ride hieght he wants to achieve he might have to have a shock built if the ride hieght he wants would use up more then 45 percent of the wheel travel.
Chino886
10-05-2006, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by TBD
You are totally correct. A shock would have to be built. Depending on the ride hieght he wants to achieve he might have to have a shock built if the ride hieght he wants would use up more then 45 percent of the wheel travel.

But as I understand it, you don't want over 40-45% of your total travel to be in "sag"........learned that from you! ;)
TBD
10-05-2006, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
But as I understand it, you don't want over 40-45% of your total travel to be in "sag"........learned that from you! ;)
You're right. I do not like setting up suspension to sag over 40 percent but there are some that will do it no matter what you say.
10-05-2006, 12:47 PM
Tcs in the rear. (Stock rebuilt by tcs for $450)

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/getdrunk1990/4wheeler149.jpg
Chino886
10-05-2006, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by slow
Tcs in the rear. (Stock rebuilt by tcs for $450)

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/getdrunk1990/4wheeler149.jpg

Wasn't long before we saw the BLUE450YO quad again.

The way I understand it is the TCS setups, the tender or sag spring is supposed to work with the rider on it, so you can not compare a ZPS setup to TCS.

That is how I understand it. So to say that the TCS shock ride height is too high with no rider on is wrong!

Correct me if I am wrong!
10-05-2006, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
Wasn't long before we saw the BLUE450YO quad again.

The way I understand it is the TCS setups, the tender or sag spring is supposed to work with the rider on it, so you can not compare a ZPS setup to TCS.

That is how I understand it. So to say that the TCS shock ride height is too high with no rider on is wrong!

Correct me if I am wrong!

TCS told me its ZPS stile. The ride hight is lowerd about 2". They tole me that normaly you dont want the rear more than a half inch lower than stock:rolleyes:.

My rear sits about 8" off the ground which is mx hight. It looks a little taller cause the front was so low. With out me on it their is like 3 inches of sag. The shaft shows for about 3" with me on it.
400exrider707
10-05-2006, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
Wasn't long before we saw the BLUE450YO quad again.

The way I understand it is the TCS setups, the tender or sag spring is supposed to work with the rider on it, so you can not compare a ZPS setup to TCS.

That is how I understand it. So to say that the TCS shock ride height is too high with no rider on is wrong!

Correct me if I am wrong!

I dont believe that to be correct. ZPS shocks should sag with the rider on them!!! Some sag without the rider because the springs are really soft (i.e. usually setup for a light rider) If you find a really heavy guy with ZPS his top spring will be stiffer than a lighter guys, but when he sits on the machine it should sag the same amount.

And you are right to say that the TCS is not wrong, the rider should be on the machine. It depends what weight it is setup for. Also ZPS is ZPS no matter what shock company it is, they all work the same in theory. SSD ZPS its all the same.
Chino886
10-05-2006, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by slow
TCS told me its ZPS stile. The ride hight is lowerd about 2". They tole me that normaly you dont want the rear more than a half inch lower than stock:rolleyes:.

My rear sits about 8" off the ground which is mx hight. It looks a little taller cause the front was so low. With out me on it their is like 3 inches of sag. The shaft shows for about 3" with me on it.

Do you have an adjustable preload collar?

ZPS is just a term that a particular company decided to use, it is similar SSD
Chino886
10-05-2006, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
I dont believe that to be correct. ZPS shocks should sag with the rider on them!!! Some sag without the rider because the springs are really soft (i.e. usually setup for a light rider) If you find a really heavy guy with ZPS his top spring will be stiffer than a lighter guys, but when he sits on the machine it should sag the same amount.

And you are right to say that the TCS is not wrong, the rider should be on the machine. It depends what weight it is setup for. Also ZPS is ZPS no matter what shock company it is, they all work the same in theory. SSD ZPS its all the same.

yes that is where the 40-45% sag theory comes into play, with the adjustable collar, if you adjust so you have 45% with no rider on then the rider jumps on and increases the sag to 65%, you need to adjust the collar....

TCS setups, like our front ends use springs to adjust the ride height, "tender" spring is what it is called I believe........
10-05-2006, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
Do you have an adjustable preload collar?



yeah.

If i got my shock valved down 80lbs would it sit lower?
Chino886
10-05-2006, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by slow
yeah.

If i got my shock valved down 80lbs would it sit lower?

no, I don't believe so

Is the preload collar adjusted right, you can also move the crossover, or even get a smaller crossover to adjust it.....

But since you are at 8", I would leave it!
10-05-2006, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
no, I don't believe so

Is the preload collar adjusted right, you can also move the crossover, or even get a smaller crossover to adjust it.....

But since you are at 8", I would leave it!

Its at the lowest ride hight in the rear. I think i might take the top pre load ring off so i can get it to sit a little lower.
Chino886
10-05-2006, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by slow
Its at the lowest ride hight in the rear. I think i might take the top pre load ring off so i can get it to sit a little lower.

don't do that!

do you have a crossover in there?
10-05-2006, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
don't do that!

do you have a crossover in there?

yeah
Chino886
10-05-2006, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by slow
yeah

adjust the height of the crossover in there
400exrider707
10-05-2006, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
yes that is where the 40-45% sag theory comes into play, with the adjustable collar, if you adjust so you have 45% with no rider on then the rider jumps on and increases the sag to 65%, you need to adjust the collar....

TCS setups, like our front ends use springs to adjust the ride height, "tender" spring is what it is called I believe........

It's a given, ride height needs to be adjusted with the rider on it!!!
Chino886
10-05-2006, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
It's a given, ride height needs to be adjusted with the rider on it!!!

I think we are saying the same thing in different words!
Chino886
10-05-2006, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
It's a given, ride height needs to be adjusted with the rider on it!!!

Yes, you and I both know that, but not everyone does....;)
400exrider707
10-05-2006, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
Yes, you and I both know that, but not everyone does....;)

Exactly. Agreed. haha
10-09-2006, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by slow
Its at the lowest ride hight in the rear. I think i might take the top pre load ring off so i can get it to sit a little lower.

Well i did that. I took the saw thingy and cut the top ring off. Now the ride hight can go down to 6" in the rear. When i was half way dun cutting the saw jumped back and landed on my rist and cut my rist and blood was all over.
kyleschonert
10-09-2006, 08:28 AM
Did you ever adjust the ride height, WITH you on the quad? It probably would have been about right. And it needs to be around 7". You shouldnt have cut that off, take it off if anything, but dont cut it off.
10-09-2006, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by kyleschonert
Did you ever adjust the ride height, WITH you on the quad? It probably would have been about right. And it needs to be around 7". You shouldnt have cut that off, take it off if anything, but dont cut it off.

I would have took it off but it wont slide over the bottom of the shock mount so i had to cutt it off. Ill work the same with 1 ring just be able to adj the preload more now. Its 6" with me on.
400exMO
10-09-2006, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by slow
I would have took it off but it wont slide over the bottom of the shock mount so i had to cutt it off. Ill work the same with 1 ring just be able to adj the preload more now. Its 6" with me on.
It will work the same, but how're you going to tighten it. You're in for worse of an accident doing that then you had cutting it.
Honda_7x
10-09-2006, 02:13 PM
heres mine ...brand new!!!!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/QuadSquad7x/newfrontend001-1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/QuadSquad7x/newfrontend004.jpg
wizecracka
10-09-2006, 06:28 PM
Nice!:eek2:
Honda_7x
10-09-2006, 08:18 PM
thanks man ....jd's got some pretty nice arms
Chino886
10-10-2006, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by slow
Well i did that. I took the saw thingy and cut the top ring off. Now the ride hight can go down to 6" in the rear. When i was half way dun cutting the saw jumped back and landed on my rist and cut my rist and blood was all over.

You never seize to amaze me!
400exrider707
10-10-2006, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Chino886
You never seize to amaze me!

lol seriously, honestly how much more sag are you going to get by cutting off a ring that is maybe 1/4 in thick at most. That is the most rediculous thing I've heard. I could see if you were running flat track or maybe even a drag, but where else would you use 6 inches of ride height?:rolleyes:
Chino886
10-10-2006, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
I could see if you were running flat track or maybe even a drag, but where else would you use 6 inches of ride height?:rolleyes:

In the garage....LOL! :p
awsomeaussies
10-10-2006, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Chino886
In the garage....LOL! :p

LMAO!!!
10-11-2006, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
lol seriously, honestly how much more sag are you going to get by cutting off a ring that is maybe 1/4 in thick at most. That is the most rediculous thing I've heard. I could see if you were running flat track or maybe even a drag, but where else would you use 6 inches of ride height?:rolleyes:

MX you want 6-8"

At the lowest hight in the rear the 6" it's still stiff.
Im buying a elka linkage to cause i got about 10.5 travle on a stock linkage.
Chino886
10-11-2006, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by slow
MX you want 6-8"

At the lowest hight in the rear the 6" it's still stiff.

What good is having the ride height at 6" if you are using up too much of the travel in sag?
10-11-2006, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Chino886
What good is having the ride height at 6" if you are using up too much of the travel in sag?

Sag keeps the tires on the ground.
Chino886
10-11-2006, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by slow
Sag keeps the tires on the ground.

Are you sure about that????
10-11-2006, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by Chino886
Are you sure about that????

Yeah, as long as the rebound is set soft.
450r51
10-11-2006, 07:06 AM
do not listen to nething SLOW is saying......

he is blue450yo and this kid is a retard.
Chino886
10-11-2006, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by slow
Yeah, as long as the rebound is set soft.

Rebound keeps your tires on the ground.

Think about it like this:

For example, if you had 5" of shock shaft showing, you had 5" that the shock could compress before you hit the bottom out bumper. You shorten that 1", what happens? You bottom out more often at the expense of 1" lower ride height!

Bad Idea!
Chino886
10-11-2006, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by 450r51
he is blue450yo and this kid is a retard.

That is an understatement! :eek:
400exrider707
10-11-2006, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by slow
MX you want 6-8"

At the lowest hight in the rear the 6" it's still stiff.
Im buying a elka linkage to cause i got about 10.5 travle on a stock linkage.


Well obviously its stiff at 6" cause your already half way through your travel.

Also just for fun could you please explain to me how you are gtting 10.5 inches of travel with the stock linkage? Do you still have the stock swingarm ? There is no way. You've changed nothing as far as travel numbers go. Bolting on another shock isn't going to yield anymore travel either.
10-11-2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by 400exrider707
Well obviously its stiff at 6" cause your already half way through your travel.

Also just for fun could you please explain to me how you are gtting 10.5 inches of travel with the stock linkage? Do you still have the stock swingarm ? There is no way. You've changed nothing as far as travel numbers go. Bolting on another shock isn't going to yield anymore travel either.

It's at 6" right now. It can hit 13" of gc.
Chino886
10-11-2006, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by slow
It's at 6" right now. It can hit 13" of gc.

how much shock shaft is showing at 6" ride height?

Do you know how to meausure travel on a shock?
10-11-2006, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Chino886
how much shock shaft is showing at 6" ride height?

Do you know how to meausure travel on a shock?

I was toled by tcs i have about 1.5 more travle over stock.

The shaft is showing around 2"
Chino886
10-11-2006, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by slow
I was toled by tcs i have about 1.5 more travle over stock.

The shaft is showing around 2"

You were told by TCS before you started cutting and modifying your rebuilt shock!

Wow, I would not want to ride your quad over a section of whoops! You could not pay me to do that.
10-11-2006, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Chino886
You were told by TCS before you started cutting and modifying your rebuilt shock!

Wow, I would not want to ride your quad over a section of whoops! You could not pay me to do that.

I hit woop sections all the time. Nothing is cut or modded other than by tcs. It has 1 pre load ring removed which lets me be able to adj the ride hight lower.
450r51
10-11-2006, 09:26 AM
like i posted before u are retarded slow..... every post u make makes me laugh at how stupid one person can be.
10-11-2006, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by 450r51
like i posted before u are retarded slow..... every post u make makes me laugh at how stupid one person can be.

At least im good at sumthing.:D ;)
DEVINF450R
10-11-2006, 10:40 AM
A CLOSE UP OF MINE...I DO HAVE THE BLACK FENDERS W/ RED PLASTIC
TBD
10-11-2006, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by 450r51
like i posted before u are retarded slow..... every post u make makes me laugh at how stupid one person can be.

Some of you guys are very brutal. If I remember right the forum rules tell you not to make comments like this. I can see that the guy is having trouble understanding but that is what these forums are for, to help exchange information and by calling a guy retarded is not exchanging information. IMO
450r51
10-11-2006, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by TBD
Some of you guys are very brutal. If I remember right the forum rules tell you not to make comments like this. I can see that the guy is having trouble understanding but that is what these forums are for, to help exchange information and by calling a guy retarded is not exchanging information. IMO


if u knew of this kids history on this website you wouldnt be trying to make me into the bad guy. just an fyi for ya.

hes been banned at least 7 times, got into an arguement with pappy....which was hilarious and well is so dumb its funny sometimes.
10-11-2006, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by 450r51
if u knew of this kids history on this website you wouldnt be trying to make me into the bad guy. just an fyi for ya.

hes been banned at least 7 times, got into an arguement with pappy....which was hilarious and well is so dumb its funny sometimes.

Odd thing is i never really break rules. I keep er clean.
TBD
10-11-2006, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by 450r51
if u knew of this kids history on this website you wouldnt be trying to make me into the bad guy. just an fyi for ya.

hes been banned at least 7 times, got into an arguement with pappy....which was hilarious and well is so dumb its funny sometimes.

I'm sorry if I worded the post to seem like you were the bad guy. I trully had no intentions of that. I happen to have a friend that has such a problem as you had reffered to and I really think the word retarded is a mean way to describe there problem. Like I said I wasn't pointing it directlly at you I just have a problem with that word. You might be totally right about Slow.
10-11-2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by TBD
I You might be totally right about Slow.

I dont think so.
Find somthing that makes me look stupid.
TBD
10-11-2006, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by slow
I dont think so.
Find somthing that makes me look stupid.

I'm not sure why you you directed this towards me. I wasn't the one that said anything towards you. The quote that you show from me was just saying that he might be right. I was in no way agreeing with him. But since you asked for me to show something I will.

"It has 1 pre load ring removed which lets me be able to adj the ride hight lower."

First of all that adjustment is for pre load and not to set your ride hieght. Second is if you trully have an issue with your quad bieng to high then why don't you do what you're suppose to do and put the correct springs on the shocks.
I'm not trying to bash you in anyway but after seeing this post maybe that other guy is right.
DEVINF450R
10-11-2006, 01:18 PM
Todd @ TCS told me that IS how you set your ride height. You adj. the rings up or down to decrease/increase the softness/sag in the springs
10-11-2006, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by DEVINF450R
Todd @ TCS told me that IS how you set your ride height. You adj. the rings up or down to decrease/increase the softness/sag in the springs

Thats cause it is but if i say it im wrong.