Racing Fuel?!?!?!

[Chin_Chilla]

I'm having ALOT of trouble finding racing fuel here in Texas. The local airport doesn't even want to sell me 100octane. So where can I get some VP112 or something similar. Also what do you guys recoment i run on my 440, running 12.5:1 ratio? Open to any and all suggestions. Thanks guys!

run straight 103 or even some c12....best stuff money can buy....try the local napa store...thats where i get mine...any place that does automotive stuff...ide get a phone book out and call around asking if they sell race fuel;)

[GPracer2500]

Call your local ATV and motorcycle shops. Some larger dealerships will carry racing fuels but in my experience an independent shop is more likely to carry it. If you still come up empty then contact VP directly to locate a distributer near you.

VP (http://www.vpracingfuels.com/vp_12_contact.html#)

[Chin_Chilla]

Thanks for the info guys i really appreciate it!

[jrspawn]

If you have a local drag strip, more than likely they will have vp products there, something to get you fixed up with at least.

Thank you
Justin

[Pro400EXC]

also try a Kart Racing store...

Thats where I get mine...

And some gas stations have it right outta the pump..Mostly Citgo's or Sunoco's




You really don't wanna run AV Gas....there's been many post's advising against it..i forget why but i think detonations reasons and such

[NorCalRacer]

AV gas is corrosive and also has de-icing agents and junk, not great for quads. Usually, large petroleum suppliers will have race gas available, try all the oil companies in the yellow pages.

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by NorCalRacer
AV gas is corrosive and also has de-icing agents and junk, not great for quads. Usually, large petroleum suppliers will have race gas available, try all the oil companies in the yellow pages.

100LL is specifically formulated to NOT be corrosive. There are no additives in 100LL that will harm a quad or harm performance. Don't confuse the specifics of 100LL with "avgas" in general. Jetfuel is an avgas and that does contain anti-icing additives. But 100LL is not gernerally manufactured with anti-icing additives--it's usually added directly to the aircraft's fuel system by the end user when wanted/needed.

Avgas is fine to use. It may not perform as well as some high quality racing fuels but it may perform better than some low quality (i.e. budget oriented) racing fuels. It's a mistake to generalize about "avgas" or "racing fuel". You have to look at which specific fuels you're trying to compare and examine their composition in order to make an informed evalutation.

[Chin_Chilla]

OK guys great news! I went to the auto store and they had VP C12 for $8.55 a gallon. Is that a decent price? Thanks for all the info. I really appreciate it!

[GPracer2500]

That's a fair price. Retail is $49 per 5 gallons. C12 is an excellent fuel.

[Chin_Chilla]

any advantages to putting octane boost in C12?

[Aughtx]

The are the 2 Sunoco race fuel distributors for Texas. Call and ask them what service stations carry 110 in your area.

Lone Star Super Gas
www.racegas.biz
Keith Nance
1-800-983-3835


Simons Petroleum
Alvie Merrill
amerrill@simonspetroleum.com
1-405-324-5823 or
1-800-256-7256

Sunoco Race Fuels http://www.sunocoinc.com/site/Consumer/RaceFuels/

Sunoco Race Fuels Distributor Finder
http://www.sunocoinc.com/site/Consumer/RaceFuels/DistributorMap/

You can also try Citgo, but I didnt have much luck with them
http://www.citgo.com/Products/FuelGasoline/RacingGasoline.jsp

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by Chin_Chilla
any advantages to putting octane boost in C12?

None at all. Most ocatane boosting products that you'd buy at an auto parts store are junk and C12's MON 108 rating should be plenty adaquate for a 12.5:1 EX anyway.

[yamablaster24]

speedway carries 110 racing fuel for 4.50 a gallon around here.At the track 113 is 6.80 a gallon. I notice no difference in my 450r or cbr600 when i run 110 compared to 93. Although i always run them on 110 if I have the money just for that high octane smell. Ecspecially around 14,000 RPM

[Chin_Chilla]

C12 is leaded? what is the difference between that and unleaded? better performance?

[wilkin250r]

Lead will boost octane, and it also lubricates the valves. You don't want to run it in a car, because it will gum up the 02 sensor and the catalytic converter, but your quad doesn't have those things, so it's fine.

Lots of race fuels contain lead. Good stuff.

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by Chin_Chilla
C12 is leaded? what is the difference between that and unleaded? better performance?

C12 is leaded.

The presence of tetra ethyl lead (TEL) in gasoline reduces the number of free radicals created during the engine's combustion cycle. These free radicals greatly contribute to a gasolines tendency to break down and detonate before the normal deflagration of combustion can consume all of the fuel.

In other words, adding lead creates a high octane rating without having to use oxygenates or a less desireable hydrocarbon mix. I'm not aware of any unleaded gasolines that can approach the octane ratings possible with leaded fuels.

Also, lead has lubricity benefits. This isn't a big consideration though. Some old (like pre-1970's) engines can take advantage of this lubrication because of those engines' inferior metals but it doesn't help tremendously in a modern engine.

Leaded fuel is a good. It raises octane substantially (and economically) with little to no side effects (discounting health and environmental concerns). The only time you should NOT use leaded fuel is in an engine with a catalytic converter or O2 sensors.

ETA: Wilkin beat me to it.

[wilkin250r]

Yeah, but your response was much more in-depth.

[Chin_Chilla]

Great stuff guys! There is a lot of knowledge in these forums!

[bradley300]

klotz will shipp a drum of race gas anywhere, and last i checked, it was around 275 for 55 gallons, not sure what the shipping was

[Chin_Chilla]

doesnt race gas "spoil" if left unused over a period of time? what can you add to "bring it back to life"? sorry if this is a stupid question.

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by Chin_Chilla
doesnt race gas "spoil" if left unused over a period of time? what can you add to "bring it back to life"? sorry if this is a stupid question.

As long as it's stored in a sealed metal container, it will last for a while (more than a year). It won't last anywhere near that long sitting in a gas tank or plastic container.

I'm not aware of any methods for "bringing fuel back to life".

[booterskuggs]

octane booster is BAD stuff Dont use it!!