my250r vs 450r vs shee (drag race results)

[ringoesroadking]

Trx 250r vs trx 450r vs banshee vs lt250r
I am relatively new to this board, this being my first post, bear with me.

Yesterday while riding with a few of my buddies I finally got some answers as to how fast my R is. Kind of

I drag raced my three buddies numerous times they had An Lt250r, an 01 banshee, and a stock 450r
We raced across a big field numerous times. (the field was big enough to just get into sixth but not through sixth gear.) We switched bikes and pretty much had the same outcome as long as nobody missed gears. so driver ability was pretty close. I launched in second and stayed bar to bar with the banshee pulling about a bike length on the 450R and about three or more haha on the lt250r. Until I hit fifth gear! The shee would put a bike legth on me and the 450 would pass me by about half a bike to a bike by the time I got into sixth. This was suprising to me as i thought it would be my 250 that would come from behind in the top gears. at least against the 450r, maybe not the shee.

Here is my question. My tires are bald and traction was pretty bad. The fact that they didn't take me right away was kind of suprising to me? The shee and the 450 had nearly new tires. If I had new tires would it be enough to take them both, even in the top gears?
Sorry if i am rambling and if you think this is a dumb question. The only reason i ask is because from drag racing cars i know that traction is everything an a tenth of a second faster at the start is equates to nearly two tenths at the top end of the track.
So am i losing because of traction or am i just getting out powered in the top gears? If so, do I need a big bore kit to take them, or do i have any other options? Thanks guys

86 250r
RRP ported stock cylinder 3rd bore
K&N filter (no Lid)
Trinity Stage 5 pipe
38mm airstryker carb
V-force reed cage
Gearing is stock rear/ 14 t front sprocket
dangerously bald 18in holeshots
250r 450r banshee lt250r shee My 86 250r vs 04 trx450r vs 01 Banshee vs 88 lt250r

[csr250r]

if you were spinning alot, yes, new tires would definatley help.

if you were hooking up good and not spinning then they shouldnt.

[tx_250r]

i have a 310esr kit with 38mm a/s esr mid range pipe and some other goodies and i beat a stock 450r a modded raptor 660 and a piped banshee this weekend. but just as i left a guy pulled up with a modded 450r he said it had a cam and port and polish work with piston mods... the case was engraved with rage racing... well in a week or two i'll let you how that turns out

[400EX QUADER]

I have a esr 310 powervalve motor with the trx5 centermount, pwk39mm, etc.... well I whoop on all 450's, piped shee's up to 4mil, etc... not even close. so i would think your results are pretty typical for a stock cyl 250r. you could get some 20" tires and put a stroker crank in it.;)

[BLACKeR]

piped shee's up to 4mil

your lying or the guys on the banshees are mentally retarded. a 4mil banshee, thats put together half way descent will chew up nearly any 310R and spit it out. i say nearly considering their may be someone out there with a 310 on alcohol and nitros. that beat a 4 mil once.

[400EX QUADER]

4 mil's arent that fast. a 4 mil cub is but not a regular 4mil. hey whatever ya wanna think buddy.

[BLACKeR]

a 4 mil stroker banshee isnt that fast? LMAO of all the dumb things ive heard on the internet, thats the best. my brother had a 4 mil banshee i have a 310R almost same as yours. dont try to tell me they're not all that fast. his shee was making around 75hp with a woods set up! thats 20 more than your 310 is making. the guy he sold it to put some CPI in frames on it and was getting 80+hp. but your right 70-80 HP isnt all that much:rolleyes: but hey whatever you wanna think buddy...

[pharit]

Originally posted by BLACKeR
a 4 mil stroker banshee isnt that fast? LMAO of all the dumb things ive heard on the internet, thats the best. my brother had a 4 mil banshee i have a 310R almost same as yours. dont try to tell me they're not all that fast. his shee was making around 75hp with a woods set up! thats 20 more than your 310 is making. the guy he sold it to put some CPI in frames on it and was getting 80+hp. but your right 70-80 HP isnt all that much:rolleyes: but hey whatever you wanna think buddy...

i wanna see a dyno sheet................

[o3thirdeyeo3]

I see you have work done by RRP. Where do you live at?

[ESR350r]

It is all about set up and track conditions. A buddy and I have a drag racing party a couple times a year. There are built 450s, banshees( stock and big bores. 2 420's), trx 250rs that are built and lt 500s. My buddy and I's TRX 250rs with big bores will beat piped, ported, and carbed banshees, piped and ported lt 500s and the 450s. THe only quad that could beat us hands down was a 450 with a 502 stroker motor. Rider ability was not a major issue because guys were switching quads and the same bikes would win. No one can say for sure what should or would win in a race because different setups on different conditions make a huge difference.

[atvmxr]

tx_ where you ride at?? From my signature below you can tell I have dealt with Rage Racing, thats probably a national level 450R motor. :macho

[csr250r]

you guys are kinda getting off topic. ringoes was running 18 and the other ppl were prolly running 20s, that would make some differance.

[400EX QUADER]

Originally posted by BLACKeR
a 4 mil stroker banshee isnt that fast? LMAO of all the dumb things ive heard on the internet, thats the best. my brother had a 4 mil banshee i have a 310R almost same as yours. dont try to tell me they're not all that fast. his shee was making around 75hp with a woods set up! thats 20 more than your 310 is making. the guy he sold it to put some CPI in frames on it and was getting 80+hp. but your right 70-80 HP isnt all that much:rolleyes: but hey whatever you wanna think buddy...

like the other guy said, dyno sheet please... I highly doubt those numbers are all that true.

[rebelbanshee]

heres an average well built 4mil

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/wesw/dynoresults.jpg

[BLACKeR]

sure here are some dynos. the discussion is on passion 4mil motors. the same motor i referanced. page 2 half way down theres a dyno sheet, and plenty of referances from other members. (77HP) http://www.bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32584&st=15 heres another page with some dyno sheets. youll see everything from 70-80HP pretty much what i claimed. (73HP) http://www.bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32584&st=15

i can google dyno charts of 310 engines next if you would like, i have a feeling they'll be mid 40's to mid 50's a good 20 average and 30 max less.

[400EX QUADER]

I stand corrected... I think the reason that I do better against a couple other 4mil's is because one has paulturner high rev pipe and the other has toomey's. not drag pipes like the cpi' schearer or rocket. thats probably most of the reason. plus I have a great set-up on my bike. I had it dyno'd and it was 54hp to the rear wheels consistantly and my builder (Dave Moore Racing) said that with some more tuning he can get it to the 60hp mark since it was running pretty rich at that time. I run 14-40 gearing, 22-11-8 9 paddle superlight haulers with 72" rollout. I also run a +6 swingarm. When i'm dragracing I'm racing up a 100yd or so hill. Alot of the shee's can catch me on topend i'm sure but I just drop the clutch in 2nd, shift to 3rd about a second later and shift to 4th about half the way up the hill. by the time I'm at the top, i'm in the top of my powerband which is what I want. I'm not sayin my bike is hotter then s**t but it does pretty well for an R.

[400EX QUADER]

hmmmm why isnt it showing that I posted?

[400EX QUADER]

thats better.;)

[BLACKeR]

i dont doubt your R does good. its just that uphill sand drags are won by HP, either the 4mil's you race are poorly built, or the riders are lousy. thats not taking anything away from your R or you. its just its really hard to beat a banshee in a drag when he has 50% more HP than you. especially when he has traction like he would in sand.

my brothers 4mil had toomeys on it, there was no competition in a straight line drag, i could beat him off the line but he caught up quick. i could smoke him all day long on the trails though. he sold the shee and got a stock jug 250R hes faster than he ever was even though hes making half as much HP.

4 mill banshees are so fast, i dont even think a 330r could have a chance in a drag.....the banshee is the drag king, my piped carbed, ported banshee realistically makes anywhere from 68-71 hp...and the 4 mill cub banshee can get in the 100 hp range...

[400EX QUADER]

yeah a cub can... damn around 70hp for a stock stroke ported shee?? who ported it?

[kiesta00]

The other weekend I raced some 450 guys with port work, cam, piston, pipe and carb and I'd stay about half a bike behind them in the sand. Wasn't too impressed my bike is pretty much stock, maybe they just sucked at driving lol

speedfreaks ported my cylenders, they are out of New York...they do great work!! people dont undersand what kinda potential the banshee motor has....it isnt hard to get in the high 60s and low 70s HP with stock jugs....and if your still in the 70s with cubs or cheetah cylenders, something aint right...but yet i havnt seen a single 450 (yamaha, honda or suzuki) make over 60