PEP New Piggyback shocks

[redred55]

The new PEP piggybacks are sick!!! Who is going to be the first guy to fork over $2000 for these bad boys!

[matt250r21]

Do you have any pics.

[redred55]

sorry- I saw them on TRX450R.ORG under SF Racing. check them out!!

[matt250r21]

Those are my next big buy!! With the TI springs, bad to the bone.

[fandl450r]

Here ya go.

[fandl450r]

I guess prices are 1995 + 400 for Ti springs. Also have teflon coated bodies according to Seth. Bodies look very similiar to Axis.

[F-16Guy]

I can't believe how much people are willing to fork over for a pair of shocks!!:eek2:
It ain't rocket science; it's a piston, a shaft, and some oil.
I need to get some :chinese: company to make some so I can import them and make a killing.

[redred55]

If it was that easy, my name would be on the rezzies!

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by fandl450r
I guess prices are 1995 + 400 for Ti springs. Also have teflon coated bodies according to Seth. Bodies look very similiar to Axis.

please dont tell me thats the price you paid for them axis front shocks, and please tell me thats for all 3 right...god i hope so. :(

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
please dont tell me thats the price you paid for them axis front shocks, and please tell me thats for all 3 right...god i hope so. :(

I think he's saying that is the price for the PEP's

[Aceman]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
I can't believe how much people are willing to fork over for a pair of shocks!!:eek2:
It ain't rocket science; it's a piston, a shaft, and some oil.
I need to get some :chinese: company to make some so I can import them and make a killing.

That's no chit! They need to charge that much because of all the R&D. There's probably months of engineering and hundreds of thousands of dollars to change from a remote rezzy shock to a piggyback with titanium springs.:rolleyes: I doubt it, but look how many are willing to pay for it. If they can sell them for $2k and people are lining up, more power to them. Just isn't for me though.

[Ex_Rider43]

Originally posted by Aceman
That's no chit! They need to charge that much because of all the R&D. There's probably months of engineering and hundreds of thousands of dollars to change from a remote rezzy shock to a piggyback with titanium springs.:rolleyes: I doubt it, but look how many are willing to pay for it. If they can sell them for $2k and people are lining up, more power to them. Just isn't for me though.

tim farr was testing them since I dont know when so yes it does take some time.

I prefer a set of PEP that perform great the first time you bolt them on your bike than a set of Elka ( for about the same price ) that you cant get even close to what the peps are going to be even when they are revalved 3-4 times.

That is something to think about.

[F-16Guy]

Yeah, people are led to believe that shocks are these super-complex engineering marvels, but the technology and design has changed very little over the past several decades. I think the main difference between most shocks is the material and fit/finish. The basic design is essentially the same (shim stack valving, reservoir with floating piston or bladder, etc.). Fox is really the only standout, but honestly, how old is air shock technology (1970's muscle cars)?? They just found a way to add dampening adjustments. I'm not saying that there haven't been improvements and innovations, but $2000 for a PAIR of ATV shocks??:eek2: Give me a break! What the market will bear, I guess.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
I think he's saying that is the price for the PEP's

:rolleyes:

[bradley300]

i think its crazy for anyone with rebuildable shocks to be paying that much money for aftermarket shocks. considering the price and preformance of a good re-valve and linkage from gthunder, derisi or noleen on the stock shocks, it seems crazy to me to spend that much on a new set

[Jersey450R]

well i'm guessing from in the head calculations that suspension alone from "the best of the best" will now cost a buyer 3600 dollars for a full suspension set-up.

oh wait...you want an axle, a-arms, tie-rods, and you want a swingarm to go with that too right? extended...? sure! might as well get the carrier...why not?! dont forget the brake lines - of course! extended chain?...probably.

your grand total you now have to put into your quad to race with "the best of the best" is a staggering $$$6700$$$$ dollars.

notice i said "best of the best".

well whats best of the best without that 2g motor to go along?

:scary:

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
:rolleyes:

He is correct. No way I would pay close to 2500 for 2 shocks, for my 3 Axis, yes.

[xsr_racing28c]

So are those your PEP shocks fandl???

[fandl450r]

No no no ;) . Although they do look pretty damn nice I must say, even they are a little expensive for my blood. The photo was from Seth of SF Racing. He deals a lot with Wayne.

[Jersey450R]

lets see how long it takes for wayne to pump THESE out...i mean, i had a buddy wait 6 1/2 months for PEP's a year ago and that from through Joe ar JRD. i would say order these 8 months in advance so place your orders for next season now! this is of course you dont race pro or pro am.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by fandl450r
He is correct. No way I would pay close to 2500 for 2 shocks, for my 3 Axis, yes.

sure about that...

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
sure about that...

Yes I'm prefectly happy with my current piggybacks with Ti springs which tentively cost 500 less. :D

[bwamos]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
The basic design is essentially the same (shim stack valving, reservoir with floating piston or bladder, etc.).

PEP doesn't use shim stack.. they use check-ball and orifice valving (as does Works).

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by bwamos
PEP doesn't use shim stack.. they use check-ball and orifice valving (as does Works).

Correct which is also what Honda used in the 1980's with their Showa shocks.

[bwamos]

Originally posted by fandl450r
Correct which is also what Honda used in the 1980's with their Showa shocks.

I agree. It's still standard tech.. but IMHO the check ball valving is a more efficient system. But, that being said.. its' all the same to me since I'm not good enough of a racer to push even my works beyond their limits, lol. (Which I agree, they setup the valving horribly).

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by bwamos
I agree. It's still standard tech.. but IMHO the check ball valving is a more efficient system. But, that being said.. its' all the same to me since I'm not good enough of a racer to push even my works beyond their limits, lol. (Which I agree, they setup the valving horribly).

Incredibly true. But in the past 5 years or so, the marketing of shock companies and advertising in ATV related publications has allowed them to increase shock prices to a record high, and people will always buy them, because its what they see the pros use, and in their mind it's "the best." I agree you can valve more accurately with the check ball vs. shim.

I mean take a look at the internal of a pair of works and do the same for PEP's just about identical, although they may use higher grade components, etc. Essentially the technology is EXACTLY the same. But PEP has been long know for making a "superior" shock, so you pay a "superior" price.

But they do look quite sexy for a pair of shocks :D

[F-16Guy]

If I had $2000 to spend on something sexy, it wouldn't be a pair of shocks! :eek2: :devil:

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
If I had $2000 to spend on something sexy, it wouldn't be a pair of shocks! :eek2: :devil:

To each his own. I said to myself that I would never spend tha kind of money on this sport, and here I am. Only thing left stock is my calipers.

[Aceman]

Originally posted by F-16Guy
If I had $2000 to spend on something sexy, it wouldn't be a pair of shocks! :eek2: :devil:

No kidding, the woman would be getting a boob job!:p Now that's something that would at least get used or looked at several times a day. That's money well spent.:devil:

EDIT: Whoops, just realized I steered the thread way off topic. You guys can continue with the shock discussion.:blah:

[jal232]

So whats goin to be the biggest difference between Axis and Pep in all reality even though they use to differnt methods of valving internally.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by jal232
So whats goin to be the biggest difference between Axis and Pep in all reality even though they use to differnt methods of valving internally.

read a couple posts up, its right there. the valving and components (material quality)

the sound the shock makes may be different and the feel may be a little different. IDK...:o , my ishocks feel better to me than ALOT of ELKAS and AXIS shocks i've ridden on. components and materials...no way.

[bwamos]

Originally posted by jal232
So whats goin to be the biggest difference between Axis and Pep in all reality even though they use to differnt methods of valving internally.

Same difference there is between a 2-stroke and a 4-stroke, if you dont include the difference in the motors.... ;)

If you don't count the valving on the shock.. you have a tube, a steel rod, and a couple springs. ;) The valving is the shock.

[DEVINF450R]

hey guys...TCS long travel for under a grand