Outlaw 525 in January

[TYLER329]

Just recieved word when we placed our order that there would be a small batch of Outlaw 525's shipped in January! From what I heard it sounds like there will be 7 in Iowa.

[bradley300]

i have heard there will be one at each polaris dealer

[CHADHIX]

We have three coming in my dealership...Two of them have a deposit already!!!!:)

[calds650]

I have my deposit on one. It looks like X-mas is going to be a month late again.

[TYLER329]

Chadix were you suprised that they will ship in January. I kinda thought March from talking to different people.

[TYLER329]

Has anybody heard if the Outlaw 525 will be able to compete in the next GNCC coming up. It would be cool if Parton could come back with the new 525 and spank the heck out of Cecco.

[CHADHIX]

The maximum limit is 525 cc, And that only applies to the pro afternoon class. There is no doubt Steph will be kickin on the new machine!!! I dont think she will have it by the next race though:(

[quadrider400]

Ok so I heard.... first versions had a mix of both... will the new Outlaw have that fixed? Or will the 07 500 have it fixed.... and on a side note .... nuts and bolts aside from the cost difference, weight and motor size... would the average rider really notice the difference between the 500 (499) and 525 (509...).
I have not seen the HP rating on the 500 so that maybe what I am missing. Let me know cause I am thinking of getting the 500 and saving several bucks...

Thanks for your time.

[igmif]

Yo CHADHIX! About the 525... Do you know if the Jan delivery data applies to all dealers who ordered one? Might you know also if it's gonna be early or late Jan? I have a deposit on one here in upstate NY.

[CHADHIX]

I know my two will be here in Nov! We already received Stephanies last week so she could race it today at the Powerline!!! This machine is even better than I thought it would be. The one Stephanie received is one of their factory test mules.(pre production). I will try to post pics asap. Everyone root for her today to put that new machine out front!!!:D :D :D :D

[katch26]

make sure she gives you a ride report

[CHADHIX]

I Will talk to her when she leaves the track, I will let you guys know.

[BikerTrash05]

Looking forward to some pics and a race/ride report! I've got a deposit on the first one my dealership is getting, and I can't wait! :blah:

[Evasiveone]

Does anybody know if the 525's coming out in Jan will have the new style rear rims or the new steel steering stem?

In the parts list for the Outlaw the rims after 11/01/06 are a new part number. I was hoping this is the fix for the a-arms hitting the inside of the rear rims.

My dealer has 2 coming in and I can't quite decide if I want to put that deposit down on it yet or not.

[CHADHIX]

They do come with new wheels on the rear...They increased the inner bell size. There is also a new steel center link. The link is available now through your Polaris dealers.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by CHADHIX
I Will talk to her when she leaves the track, I will let you guys know.

So how did she like the 525? What mods was she able to have on it? I heard she had stalling problems in the water crossings. Any pics of it?:D

[calds650]

From the photos I saw she had the Custom Xis on. I hope what ever bolts on the my 06 Outlaw will bolt on my 07 525. my Works Black Widows work great on my Outlaw now.

[CHADHIX]

She said that she loved the new machine. It did however take on water in the airbox...after seeing the pics of that mud hole I see why!!! All of the bolt ons from the 06 will fit the 07. I do have pictures of it when I received it here at my store. I will try to post. The machine she raced was a pre production unit that they had been testing at Polaris. Stephanie is going to do a full write up on it here as soon as she gets some extra time!! She will fill you all in on the details. Wait till you guys see the new improved steel centerlink, It is about twice the size of the old steel one. I am still shaking my head on why they used aluminum on the originals. The steel center links will be avallible this week to order. Anyone who wants one PM me!

[TYLER329]

CHADIX I already have that centerlink in my inventory. It is friggin huge compared to the stock one!!!!!! I already have one of my customers with one. If you need one right away I can UPS it to you........for 1 million dollars.

[katch26]

now youre talking about the center link on the pro steering system right? If so is this just a problem with the outlaw and not the predator?

[kc8pnd]

The predator no longer uses pro steering. It has a normal steering stem like the rest of the ATVs. I want to do away with my pro steering but i have a longer set of a-arms that use longer tie rods, i think they are + 2, not sure if i could find a set of tie rods if i did away with my PRO steering. Also the outlaw steering is way different then the predators (I think).

[katch26]

I have the same bike youve got and I was wondering if this problem was only being seen in the outlaws

[kc8pnd]

I think you can get the better center link for the older predators 06 <. I have the stock link on mine and have not bent it. I hit a tree with my right front tire and bent the a-arm and frame and never hurt the tie rod or center link.

[scramblerracer]

Originally posted by kc8pnd
I think you can get the better center link for the older predators 06 <. I have the stock link on mine and have not bent it. I hit a tree with my right front tire and bent the a-arm and frame and never hurt the tie rod or center link.



Many people racing and riding are having to replace these, some get bent bad, some just wear out.

[TYLER329]

I calloed Polaris yesterday and they said that the Outlaw 525 will have Fox shocks and not the Ryde FX's that were in the pictures. They also said that it will have the Maxxis radials instead of the Dunlops in the brochure. They make things so hard on themselves. I hope that the front have piggbacks.

[calds650]

I hope they have rebound adjustment

[TYLER329]

So does anybody know how Stephanie Parton liked the 525. I saw pictures of her racing it.

[katch26]

well what is she gonna say, shes a sponsored rider. Matt Smiley said hed never go back to a straight axel quad....next race on the Predator

[TYLER329]

Yeah, it's a good thing he went back to a solid axle quad or he might have had a bad season.............

[katch26]

yeah hes a smart man lol

[PolarisRider06]

i guess this doesn't exactly go with the thread but does anyone know if it will be possible to get rid of the PRO steering on an 05 predator and bolt in the normal style steering system like whats going on the 07's?

[katch26]

sure I dont know how but if you look on ebay there is alot of them for sale, id imagine thats where they came from.

[kc8pnd]

I am almost 100% sure you can. The frames look the same, instead of the PRO there is a bearing that goes in its place. I think you just need the new stem and tie rods and your good to go.

[TYLER329]

I just found out that my 2 Outlaw 525's will leave the factory 11/22/06!!!!! This is way ahead of schedule!

[katch26]

you lucky stiff

[quadrider400]

SO now that a few are out there can anyone tell me if they did away with the mix of nuts and bolts and go all metric or standard?
I have been told that my shop will have their first ones in January and I hate the thougt of having to deal with both.. .

i would even settle for a phone number to call and ask myself if anyone could get me the number......

Thanks Craig

[Predator258]

The hardware on the 525 should be a lot more user friendly, judging my the one I raced at Ironman.

[TYLER329]

Just confirmed on our dealersite that our two 525's leave the factory on 11/22/06. They will not say what the shocks will be so maybe there is a chance they will still be the Fox shocks. I don't think that those Ryde FX shocks can be revalved. I already have the HMF slip on and Hiper beadlocks waiting for it!!

[TYLER329]

Click on the interview with Gallager about the new 525. It is pretty informative.

[Evasiveone]

where is it at?

[TYLER329]

Sorry about that, I am kinda of a computer rookie, i don't know how to do a link. If you look on the home page of atvriders.com and then click on the Ironman part under the GNCC logo you will see it listed.

[Evasiveone]

Gallagher interview (http://www.atvpress.com/atvvideos/gnccatv/gnccatv200613johngallagher.wmv)

The wife okayed a new quad so she can have my Raptor. I just cannot decide yet though between the 700R SE and the new 525. The 2 major problems with the Outlaw have been fixed, the centerlink and the a-arms hitting the rear rims. But it still scares me to get one of the first "new" model bikes. So my question is to you dealers...

After the first initial shipment of 1-2 bikes per dealer will you be able to get more bikes in? or is the 525 going to be very limited. Will people that want a 525 even be able to get one?

[TYLER329]

Starting in Feb. they will be much more attainable. That is when we were supposed to get them anyway, getting them now is just kind of a bonus. I raced a 06 Outlaw last year and don't know what you are talking about when you said the rear rims rubbed. I would like to know more about that. Was it a stock Outlaw or did it have aftermarket wheels on it. Your're right on the centerlink. It is much better now. My buddy is still going to go ahead and buy the SE Raptor. He just likes yamaha better i guess. I personally feel like the 525 should be a much better machine but we will wait and see.

[Evasiveone]

Thanks for the response.

As for the rear rims every single Outlaw I have seen has had these marks on the inside of the rear rims. In most cases the owners did not even notice them. Here is a link to several pages of discussion about the issue with several pics.
A-arms hitting rims discussion and pics (http://predatorowners.com/index.cfm?action=thread&catid=99&topid=436&thrid=29752)

If you notice that as of 11/01/06 a new part number for the rear rims is used for the Outlaw. The new rim has a bigger inner bell.

I wish I knew which shocks were coming on the new 525!!!!

[bradley300]

look at your rear wheels, there should be scratches all around where the a-arms hit them at full compression. polaris actually uses different wheels after november i think?? so if it a new quad, you probably dont have any issues. there is a huge thread about it on predator owners

[TYLER329]

I'll have an answer on the shock thing in about 2 days. That wheel thing is wierd. I never realized that the wheel touched. Thanks for the info.

[quadrider400]

So I noted in the other forum that there is a new rear wheel listed does anyone know if that is going to fix the rubbing problem...? What other issues are out there with the outlaw?
Thanks ....

[Evasiveone]

The new rims should fix the a-arm rub. There was a problem with a weak center link but there is a new fix for that already by going with a steel centerlink. Some of the plastic was wearing a spot on the radiator, easy fix was just use a washer to space the plastic out a little. The only other problem I have heard of was the seat wanting to pop off, I have not heard any changes for that.

All in all very minor problems for a first year quad.

I saw a new 2007 white Outlaw 500 today. That white on the Outlaw looks bad*****. It did not have the Fox shocks though. It had the Ryde FX, I believe "Pro Series" is what it said on them.

I liked the way it looked and felt so I went ahead and put down a deposit on the 1st KTM 525 Outlaw they are getting. :D

It is not scheduled for delivery to them until Jan '07. Now for the 3-month wait.:blah:

[calds650]

Originally posted by TYLER329
I'll have an answer on the shock thing in about 2 days. That wheel thing is wierd. I never realized that the wheel touched. Thanks for the info.

any update yet?

[TYLER329]

Just found out yesterday that the 525 will have the Ryde FX shocks. I would guess that the cheaper shock was to offset the cost of the motor. I guess we will have to see how they work.

[calds650]

:huh :cuss: I will have a set for sell it does not have compression and rebound adjustment the Outlaw needs the rebound for the desert. With out it is un-ride able at hi-speed

[TYLER329]

Yeah that motor better rock to make up for how crappy the shocks are going to be. I mean they will be just like every body elses now. Polaris used to really have a plus with the fox shocks.

[calds650]

Originally posted by TYLER329
Yeah that motor better rock to make up for how crappy the shocks are going to be. I mean they will be just like every body elses now. Polaris used to really have a plus with the fox shocks.

Not like very body else the 07 Polaris Outlaw shocks have gone back ten years in design. You now get compression and rebound adjustment on all shocks front and rear on all the 450 and most 400 now. Polaris made 5 steps forward with the Outlaw and new KTM engine and 15 back with the shocks if the due not have compression and rebound adjustment. With out those adjustments I will get bounces all over the place. If Polaris wants to race in the desert they will need better shocks. I am glad I have my Works.

[MentalState]

Thats why I am keeping my Podiums from my 06 outlaw and tossing them on 07 outlaw....Who ever buys my 06 will get the newer shocks rims and tires and maybe even plastics...

[davedirt]

will the pred. fox shox fit the new 525 outlaw, If so i might switch them.

[calds650]

Just the fronts will fit

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by TYLER329
I just found out that my 2 Outlaw 525's will leave the factory 11/22/06!!!!! This is way ahead of schedule!

Did you get them?

[TYLER329]

I have not recieved the machines yet. I called Polaris and they said that my two are built and sitting in a warehouse waiting to be shipped. Hopefully very soon!

[eerhard09]

Any word on their arrival yet?

[watts16]

Originally posted by TYLER329
I have not recieved the machines yet. I called Polaris and they said that my two are built and sitting in a warehouse waiting to be shipped. Hopefully very soon!
Sweet man. Dont know if you remeber me but i got 2nd at brooks. You racing any IAs next year. Ill be in A.

[CHADHIX]

I just received bad news about my 525s today:( My two may not be here untill January. They were going to come in Nov 27th. When I called today they said they were built but are now going through all of their inspections now. I cant hardly wait!!!

[cdalejef]

Without letting the cat out of the bag, my impression of the 525......:D :D :D

[eerhard09]

Originally posted by Jeff@TireBalls
Without letting the cat out of the bag, my impression of the 525......:D :D :D

So, what cat would you be letting out of the bag?????? Come on, don't hold back if you have something to say!!!:D

[nytfr8]

Hey there, Im new to the post . I have a 06 Outlaw and my buddy has an 07 Outlaw. I have put on over 250 hours on it in 6 months and have had no problems with the rear rims or the center link. We mostly do some really nasty mountain trail riding and hill climbs with the machines. I am beyond happy with the machine. My neighbor has an 06 TRX450r and there is no way he can keep up with the Outlaws on the trails.

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by eerhard09
So, what cat would you be letting out of the bag?????? Come on, don't hold back if you have something to say!!!:D

The ride review will be up on the site soon.

[eerhard09]

Anyone received theirs yet? I know the dates are changing on when mine is supposed to be in. I was told today that the "Promise Date" changed from Jan 1 to Dec 6th (already past) but the "Ship Date" is still Jan 1st. I am not a dealer and have never worked at one so I don't really know if those dates mean anything....

[cdalejef]

The production models have not been shipped yet.

[TYLER329]

Yeah man I remember. That was one killer last lap!!!! Thank god for ground clearance!! Yeah I am planning on doing the IA series next year. Probably old c for the first race and then B. I just bought a house in the country right by the woods that I practice in so i'm hopin i'll actually be good enough to have a rematch in the mud with ya!

[Rj 55]

doesnt really have anything to do with the post but i was just wondering if anything from a 2006 TLD Pred will bolt onto the 2007 Outlaw

[kc8pnd]

The swing arm :p, really I am sure a lot of stuff will, A-arms looks the same, steering stem, stuff like that. Wish I had a 510cc kTm to put in my pred hehe.

[eerhard09]

I would imagine that almost all of the bolt on accessories that fit on the 06 Outlaw will since the chassis/body geometry didn't change from the '06 to the '07, just the motor as far as I know.

[TYLER329]

actually from the engineering mule i saw there was other things changed. We know the fuel tank is bigger, choke is on the carb now so there is no metal gusset for the choke to mount on, Two of the cross rails in the frame up by the tank and carb were removed to save weight and not needed because of the lighter motor. So yeah alot of stuff should bolt on but they made alot of little changes to the bike along with the engine.

[cdalejef]

Look for all the changes to be in my report very soon.

[TYLER329]

Would you quit teasing everyone and just release your friggin report and plans for next year!

[cdalejef]

I'm waiting on Harlen :D

I honestly have no plans for 07. :(

[eerhard09]

Ha ha, saw this on another site. Can't confirm that the quads in it are what the title says but it sure would be nice if it were true!

Anyone on here know anythig aboutthis video?

Sand drag between an Outlaw 525 and a TRX490 Stroker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXVYfNvXUi8)

[cdalejef]

Doubtfull that its a 525 as there are only a couple out there for testing. It was most likely a 500 Outlaw.

[eerhard09]

That is what I thought too, and I highly doubt that was a 490 stroker in that Honda. I would still like to see one run, guess I will just have to wait. I am getting impatient waiting for mine to come even though I know it will not be here for a while....

[Evasiveone]

How long you gonna tease us about that review?? :macho

Seriously, I have not understood all the big secrets and all the information they hold back before the release of these quads. I can understand during developement not wanting the competitors to know what you are doing, but when we are weeks away from it's release its R&D should be pretty wrapped up. Why the big secrets? It is too late for the other manufacturers to make major changes to their 2007 models.

I say let the reviewers release their impressions of the bikes, unless they are afraid the reviews will be negative and if they are favorable reviews, it will help initial sales even that much more.

[Predator38]

it was a 525 and a 490 the guy is on predator owners with the info......:)

[cdalejef]

Whats the link? Are you just going by him telling people its the 525?

[TYLER329]

All Terrain Vehicle magazine just sent out there new mag and it has a review of the new Ryde FX shocks that are on the new Outlaw. I think we are in good shape. They are nothing like the junky ones on the stock Predator front. Sounds like they work pretty well.

[katch26]

http://www.predatorowners.com/index.cfm?action=thread&catid=1&topid=434&thrid=33005&posthist=-24

[calds650]

Originally posted by TYLER329
All Terrain Vehicle magazine just sent out there new mag and it has a review of the new Ryde FX shocks that are on the new Outlaw. I think we are in good shape. They are nothing like the junky ones on the stock Predator front. Sounds like they work pretty well.

I hope they have rebound adjustment if not they have not made any improvement over the Fox and will have to be replace for any desert riding.

[Evasiveone]

This one is much clearer than the 1st video.

2nd 525 video vs 490 stroker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoToiAiUvss )

Jeff were these the bikes you were testing at Bakersfield? You have to let us know what you will be on in '07 as soon as you find out and can tell us. Best of luck this year!!

[cdalejef]

As of right now I won't be on anything for 07 other than my XR600. :ermm:

[kc8pnd]

Madness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB-GmwjHiqE&NR

[smokinwrench]

I talked to my dealer this week. He is still saying end of January until mine comes in.

[eerhard09]

Jeff@TireBalls

Any idea of a time frame for the write up to be posted? I'm just getting bored with the "what do you think it will be like" threads and would like something worth while to read....

[cdalejef]

I'm not sure, that decision is up to Harlen.

[TYLER329]

I don't understand. Isn't he just the website admn. Why would he care when you post it. Did you like the new Ryde FX shocks? That is my only worry about the new machine. Could you hook up remote rezzies up to them.

[cdalejef]

He is the one that will be posting the artical.

[eerhard09]

A small test of the 525 from another site. Hope I don't get yelled at for posting.....

Outlaw 525 First Look Test (http://atv.off-road.com/atv/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=392274)

So, the sticker price for the 525 is 7300 bucks.
Is that what a guy will pay?

[TYLER329]

It will depend on how many we can get and how the public reacts. It is all about supply and demand. If I have people standing in line to get them I would definately not discount them.

[Evasiveone]

Getting mine for $6799 and a $12 document fee.

[TYLER329]

That is a really good price! I know that right off the bat they will bring more than that but your dealer must not want to sit on anything.

I called a dealer in Decatur,Illinois and he does not have one yet.
He said he will still sell it for the M.S.R.P.=$7.299
I wonder how they will be in the dunes? jumping?

[eerhard09]

Yeah, I called a couple dealers (the only one's in this area) and they all said they will not budge much on the price. I think I am getting it for $7149 +tax/title. I got the same from each place i called.

[Evasiveone]

I was originally wanting a 700R but the Yami dealer would not budge off of MSRP. So they have lost my business 4ever. With 3 more kids coming into riding age over the years that will mean something.

My Polaris dealer is also a Suzuki and Honda dealer and they do not sell any quads at MSRP no matter what the demand. They know what they need to make off of each unit they sell and do not get greedy. For that they will have a customer 4 life in me.

How many of us would actually pay MSRP for a new car. It may be hot right now but wait a few months and the price will drop down and people will remember who treated them right and who did not.

[TYLER329]

Yep, I would agree with that. We don't sell anything at msrp either. However we don't go bargain basement. You have to make something on each machine to stay in business. If you try to get greedy nobody will come back. If you are bargain basement you can't pay the bills. I would bet that we will sell the 525 for 7000.

[GE4x4]

Tyler, and new news on delivery?

Also my dealer will let me have one for $6900otd, but we have no taxes either.:D

[TYLER329]

It looks like we will get 2 the first week of Feb. Hopefully it happends.

I just called RTD in Springfield,Illinois and I got the typicle list price thing:o
He said to shoot him a offer, I said I would put money down today if he knocks off 500 bucks.
He said he would call me back :eek:

What is a fair set up charge from these crooks?:D

[eerhard09]

I know my dealer is still holding strong n the Jan 22 date that it has been set at for a couple weeks. I know on Predowners.com, there are 2-3 others with the Jan 22 date as well. Hopefully it is only two more weeks away!

[CHADHIX]

Polaris pays the dealer to set it up so I would say $0 :ermm:

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by CHADHIX
Polaris pays the dealer to set it up so I would say $0 :ermm:

Then why do dealers charge for prep and set-up if there allready getting paid?

[CHADHIX]

I know some dealers charge doc fees which I understand but Polaris pays one hour of set up a machine to each dealer. Set up and freight are included in the invoice price. The dealers that are charging it are jacking the customer!

[GE4x4]

Has Steph got her 525 yet?

[cdalejef]

She's had it for months, she raced it at Ironman.

[GE4x4]

I thought those were pre-production quads so to get feed back.

[cdalejef]

Oh, it is. I didn't know you meant production model.

[CHADHIX]

Her new machines will be here in about a week! She is pumped to get them.