Move over Pappy

[400exstud]

I finally got my hands on a free oven and broke out the PC gun today. Here is one that I did.

Before

[400exstud]

After

dude.....theres no after pic.....:huh

[Pappy]

Originally posted by the_440_kid
dude.....theres no after pic.....:huh

sure there is:ermm:

looks good, fun isnt it:p

[FoxRacing81]

Not bad, Not bad...pretty soon, you'll wanna do everything...

[MXracer16]

Originally posted by the_440_kid
dude.....theres no after pic.....:huh

Dude, give him time to post.

[400exstud]

Another. Let me know what you think.

my bad...i think i posted that while you were posting the "after" pic...sorry man

[400exstud]

Originally posted by Pappy
sure there is:ermm:

looks good, fun isnt it:p

It is fun! I am no where near perfect, but I was amazed at how quickly I was able to learn.:D

[Pappy]

Originally posted by 400exstud
Another. Let me know what you think.

Its hard to say from just the picture, seeing the peel from the picture you could have brought it to temperature too fast or applied the powder a bit heavy....BUT....thats a picture. PC loves to show peel on flat surfaces so dont think its bad or anything:p

just keep practicing, you will figure it out:D

[400exstud]

I DID bring it to temp too fast. I was pretty much guess-timating as to what I should do and messed up a bit. I fugured, that's as good as that sprocket will ever look anyway!:p

Also, you can only see the peel from that severe of an angle with that much light. I agree that that 2nd pic looks bad, and I assure that it looks more like pic #1.

[Pappy]

You will have a blast learning...I did and still do! Onvce you get into the translucents and 3 or even 4 stage powders things can get a bit nutz:p

[400exstud]

That is beautieful:eek: . I just figure that powder is relatively cheap compaired to the rest of this sport. The cost is worth the fun and not to mention the learning experience even if I screw it up a few times.

[tp300ex]

j.w but these ovens yall use are the just like a heavy duty cooking one or wat if so i can get 1 for free

[FoxRacing81]

Originally posted by tp300ex
j.w but these ovens yall use are the just like a heavy duty cooking one or wat if so i can get 1 for free

I use a normal old kitchen oven that. Can't fit frames or nothing of course, but you can do nice stuff to parts that will fit.

[Hon300ex]

what happens if you do a bad job? is there any way to get the p.c off

[400exstud]

Yeah, you can either use a lot of solvents and take it off or simply sand blast it. It takes a little more work than paint but it does come off.

[Pappy]

For small parts, a used home oven does the trick. Anything bigger really requires an oven built especially for curing powder that can ramp up in the correct time and handle many air changes. Ive had my fun with trying to do it with home built stuff and once I finally bought a real cure oven, I havent looked back:p

[FoxRacing81]

Originally posted by Hon300ex
what happens if you do a bad job? is there any way to get the p.c off

If it's bad, it can come off with sandblasting(atleast some of my stuff will, dunno about Pappys stuff), just makes it hard to get off. But for some parts, since it is powdercoat, and if you are going to redo it, I just like to sand it down as good as I can and then if I am doing the same color, just spray over and it usually comes out fine.

[Pappy]

Any part I coat is bare metal, I do not over coat...

can somebody explain to me how the whole powder coat gun setup is and what it takes to get started from scratch
thanks
mike

[FoxRacing81]

Works okay for me. I read that in the directions when I got my gun. It says coat on bare metal or if there is a previous powdercoat layer underneath.

[Pappy]

You can order basic kits for around $150

a used oven and a power source for it. 220v isnt found in alot of garages


the biggest thing you have to have is a place that is venjtilated and filtered to apply the powder. it will get everywhere and can pose health/safety issues.

[Pappy]

Originally posted by FoxRacing81
Works okay for me. I read that in the directions when I got my gun. It says coat on bare metal or if there is a previous powdercoat layer underneath.

If your doing it for yourself its personal preference. When you do it for a living, you want the absolute best job you can give your customers. Any coating is dependant on the surface being free and clear of oil, dirt and rust. Rust begins on the metal the second it is exposed to air and starts its damage. If a coating has been on the part for any amount of time, its already starting to try and seperate the metal and coating. On some parts, thier life span is short and it may never be noticed, on others it can cause failure of the coating.

[400exstud]

This is the gun that I bought http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=5572&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=459&iSubCat=460&iProductID=5572

It works very nicely and includes everything needed to get started. You can also buy just the gun for $100 or the Elite kit for $180. I would have gotten that kit but it was not produced when I got mine.

Then you need some acetone or other cleaner.

A way to get the part to bare metal (ie sand blaster, paint stripper)

Air compressor.

An oven of course (check your local newspaper classifides)

That is all that I can think of now.

[400exstud]

Hey Pappy,

What are good places to get powder from. I already have....

-Eastwood
-Columbia coatings

Is there anybody else that I should know of?

[red4r]

this is from ebay you think its any good just to do sum small stuff...

powder gun ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/COMPLETE-POWDER-COATING-SYSTEM-PAINT-GUN-COAT-KIT-NEW_W0QQitemZ330014864031QQihZ014QQcategoryZ22779Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Mechanix311]

dupont, drylac, prismatic powders or nic industries, and cardinal powdercoat. their are so many these days i am sure their are more.

[400exstud]

Pappy has told me that through his experience, gravity feed guns do not work as well as ones with a bottom feed; however, for $70 you probably can't go wrong. If you are anything like me, it won't be the gun that does something wrong......it's the user.:p

[Pappy]

Well, your steps ahead of most because its always the equipments fault:p (I blame powder...lmao)

Columbia IMO serves the hobbiest the best. i still buy a boat load of powder from brian and he takes very very very good care of me. alot of the larger suppliers are not as flexible when dealing with you, and they are not any more less expensive if your buying small quanities. I buy on average 200 pounds of powder a week, and that is a days work for a real full on industrial coater.My friends shop orders in more powder in a week then I use in 3 months.

There is a point where equipment plays a larger role in your work, but for small items, the hobby guns can do as good of a job as any $5000 gun. Prep work means more then anything...just remind yourself of that.

[400exstud]

That's good to know that Columbia has good service because I like their selection and will be calling them up soon.

[DieselBoy]

how do you prep the surface prior to powdercoating, pappy?

[Pappy]

depending on the type of metal, most all of my parts are sent to a facility that strips metal. they use a burn off oven and it removes just about everything. its then sent through a blasting process. again, depending on what type of metal it is will depend on what media they use, thats why some parts seem to take a little longer because they may not use whats needed for say billet aluminum until they get enough to justify a switch in media.

when i get it back, its inspected for cracks and final prep is done. that can range anywhere from just a cleaning to more hand sanding to smooth the surface. i also use a phosphate coating to help gaurd against rust and corrosion.

on small non finished parts, i do all the prep here and after its profiled the process is the same. i spend 95% of the time on prep and 5% on actually coating the part.

the biggest plus to this is that i find cracks. i usually repair them for free bacuse i wouldnt want someone coating my part with a hairline crack:p

[insaneracin2003]

Originally posted by Pappy


the biggest plus to this is that i find cracks. i usually repair them for free bacuse i wouldnt want someone coating my part with a hairline crack:p [/B]
hehe,I remember when i got the pm from Pappy that when hthey stripped my frame and sub-frame to prep for pc,he said i had 7 or 8 crackes in my frame.lol.... well he fixed them,no charge cuz that is the type of guy he is,then i told him to go ahead and gusset it......i cant imagine what might have happened if i didnt get my stuff pc'd by an honest and concerned pc man.they might have just pc'd over the cracks.....Thanks again Ken

[DieselBoy]

The whole powdercoating process is very interesting to me.

[400exstud]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
The whole powdercoating process is very interesting to me.

And it is as fun as it is interesting!

I just wish that I had more things to PC:devil:

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by 400exstud
And it is as fun as it is interesting!

I just wish that I had more things to PC:devil:

PC your a-arms :blah: (if they're not done already)

[Sjorge450R]

Originally posted by FoxRacing81
I use a normal old kitchen oven that. Can't fit frames or nothing of course, but you can do nice stuff to parts that will fit.

just call the pizza place down the street. They should let you use their oven....:blah:

[400exstud]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
PC your a-arms :blah: (if they're not done already)

I would but I only have stockers and the ball joints don't appreciate the heat (because they are non-removable).

[400exstud]

Originally posted by Sjorge300EX
just call the pizza place down the street. They should let you use their oven....:blah:

That's funny because that is EXACTLY what my dad said.