View Full Version : Outlaw vs. 450r
300ex03_619
07-28-2006, 08:52 AM
i am going to get a new atv next may. so it will be the 2007 model of whatever i get. i am planning on starting racing a mix of gncc and mx. i also ride trails alot for fun. which would you recomend the 45or or the Outlaw?
whoamack22
07-28-2006, 10:10 AM
450r hands down
katch26
07-28-2006, 11:47 AM
if youre going to do mx then the 450 would be the only choice really. The outlaw would be more for your gncc type racing, I personally think the 450r's are overrated though, check out the other 450s.
wolffie
07-28-2006, 11:57 AM
what ever fits you best. try em out and choose what you think will be best for you;)
sandmanblue
09-29-2006, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by katch26
if youre going to do mx then the 450 would be the only choice really. The outlaw would be more for your gncc type racing, I personally think the 450r's are overrated though, check out the other 450s.
Hmmmm. Judging by the number of 450R's taking wins in most pro racing, I'd say that you're way off. Yeah, they are modded - but what quad isn't in most racing classes? Nobody runs stock quads in racing, so don't even go there. The motor, reliability, chassis geometry and cost of building a competitive racer all favor the 450R.
Overrated? I don't think so...
katch26
09-29-2006, 04:37 PM
look at the number of 450r's entered, Honda has the best rider support program out there. Its not that its the best bike out there.
kc8pnd
09-29-2006, 04:37 PM
That new outlaw 510cc looks bad arse.
exrider008
09-29-2006, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by kc8pnd
That new outlaw 510cc looks bad arse.
i agree
but for mx i would go with the 450r (ride red:devil: ) but for Gncc the outlaw would be a good choice because of its indipendent suspention.
450rJam
09-29-2006, 05:37 PM
check the aftermarket goodies for them both and cost.
if your going to race it your not going to leave it stock.
honda does have a good rider suport program............
but thats not the only reason there are so many more
450r's in each race.
indpendent suspention even for gncc is over rated just ask Matt Smiley he got off the the outlaw and back to the pred 4 a reason
cdalejef
10-05-2006, 05:57 AM
I have to disagree there, the IRS is the best thing to happen to XC quads! There is a whole nother story to the Matt Smiley deal.
Flynbryan19
10-05-2006, 06:39 AM
As much as I dislike Polaris after the way my pred treated me..... I do have to agree with Jeff. Look at how everyone else does on the Outlaw. All the other big names run just as well as they did before(if not better) getting on the Outlaw. The quad is not the only thing holding back Smiley.
troyleepred719
10-05-2006, 09:34 AM
is it possible that smiley got off the outlaw, and back to the preddy for a different reason. it could be that the quad wasnt uncapable, maybe smiley just had preference as to irs or swingarm. I own a troy lee predator, and the suspension is amazing, and i rode the outlaw when i was in the market for a quad, and liked that as well. BUT, for the riding i do, i didnt feel irs is the was to go, as im sure smiley thought also.....not sure what the deal was, but its also a possibility, as it would be easier to keep on a quad that you are sure is capable, rather than trying to adjust to a quad, in which you are not sure what the limits are...........just my two cents
sandmanblue
10-06-2006, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by 450rJam
check the aftermarket goodies for them both and cost.
if your going to race it your not going to leave it stock.
honda does have a good rider suport program............
but thats not the only reason there are so many more
450r's in each race.
There ya go. There's more to it that just which quad - it's a whole package of stuff including aftermarket parts availability, pricing, factory items and of course the building blocks that the particular quad gives you.
The Outlaw 525 is impressive on paper so far - time will tell. Good news is that KTM motors have very little issues over the years...
jrmerk
10-10-2006, 08:08 PM
woods racer here - mideast and gncc sometimes... been riding a 05 predator w/ a few mods... enjoyed it until my friends hooked me up w/ a 450r... no comparison btwn the two in the woods - especially when you need throttle... the 450r out handles and out powers my predator hands down... the added plus i also noticed - weight difference... the 60lb lighter 450r makes a 3 hr ride feel much better than the pred... love the pred, but the 450r has my vote from here on out for racing... in fact - just picked my up an 04 this past weekend - will race it this wkend in yadkinville [mideast]... i'll let you know how this works out come monday...
here's my new racer friend - 450r...
ride hard and be safe
katch26
10-11-2006, 06:17 AM
yeah and when you add the after market goodies to make your 450r xc friendly tell he how much itll weigh then.
jrmerk
10-11-2006, 08:08 AM
still much lighter than my aftermarket loaded down predator... bottomline - you can receive all the inputs on all the different styles w/ individual preferences - but it's up to the person who's gonna have the seat time... perhaps the safest advice is "ride before you decide" if at all possible
ride hard and be safe
kc8pnd
10-11-2006, 03:07 PM
I think its all in the rider. A good rider is going to win a race no matter what he is on. It takes 5 minutes to get use to something. Of course I am talking quads in the same power range (400 ~ 500)
450rJam
10-11-2006, 03:15 PM
rider makes a diff for sure.
Im not sure why you refuse to see.
the pred is great, (just not compaired to the 450's)
kc8pnd
10-11-2006, 03:24 PM
They are all great quads. But I look at it like this, there are not very many race preds compared 450s. Wonder how a few 450rs would do in about 200 predators.
katch26
10-11-2006, 03:24 PM
I have one and have ridden the other and was not impressed with it at all.
450rJam
10-11-2006, 03:33 PM
ever heard of that river in egypt ?
its called DE-NIAL.
I have one and have ridden the other ?
which is the one and which is the other ?
katch26
10-11-2006, 03:36 PM
have a pred tld rode a 450r, not that impressive
katch26
10-11-2006, 03:39 PM
and how many times has the 450r won quad of the year
how bout 450 of the year
speaking of denial
450rJam
10-11-2006, 04:26 PM
what year 450r did you ride ? for how long ?
dont believe everything you read.
Polaris riders/pred-outlaw-500-525-any thing but a 450 why b/c Polaris cant build a race quad that will compete at the top level---just deal with it.
katch26
10-11-2006, 04:35 PM
THIS FROM A GUY WHO RIDES A 700 NOT EVEN A 450, WHY DIDNT YOU GET A 450 IF YOURE SINGING THEIR PRAISES
450rJam
10-11-2006, 04:41 PM
because he can respect a well built race quad even if its not his........................can you?
the pred is pretty cool looking in my opinion, it has a soft forgiving suspension, and handles well for a heavy sport atv.
they are over weight, a little under powered, and the weight makes them jump like a sled. (its hard to move around in the air hitting same jumps as my 450r, I had to carry more speed to jump same distance, and it landed like a pile of bricks)........
every atv has positives and negatives (some more than others in each catagory)
jrmerk
10-11-2006, 06:17 PM
it's all in what you like and accept - nothing more , nothing less... i've been riding polaris for the last 5 years... started w/ the scrambler - nice trail quad but complained about the weight in competition... moved to a predator - loved it on the trail and in the race - but still complained about the weight... ended up w/ a 450r - could go thru all the suttle differences and advantages racing thru the woods but - does it really matter - NO - it's all about what you feel good on and feel good to ride...
fyi - jumped many a creek jumps on the preddy - sometimes it lands like a hot knife going thru butter - sometimes it lands like a ton of bricks... but i don't blame it on the preddy - that was the rider... same goes w/ the 450r... a quad will only do what the rider makes it do... all in all - both good quads - but i prefer the 450r racing and the preddy running fun stuff on the trails...
preddy on the creek jump at uncle lems / mideast series - this was a sweet landing
kc8pnd
10-11-2006, 09:41 PM
fast trail ride =700
friends don't let friends buy raptors.
kc8pnd
10-11-2006, 09:45 PM
All jokes aside, a quad is a quad. Some are faster then others, but the one thing that matters is you have fun on it. I will say if I was going to be racing I would go with a 450 because there are more motor mods and other addons.
katch26
10-12-2006, 06:12 AM
1. their arent more motor mods and it wouldnt really matter anyway cause youre stuck with a 450 for the racing they were designed to do. You can do equal mods to any machine, the only limiting factor is mx components but most pred owners arent mx racing for anything other than recreational anyways.
2. 700= fast in the trail....gimme a break I had a 686 before I had my pred and guess what Ive got my pred now..
3. he can respect a well buit race quad
again give me a break he comes in and preaches the 450 is the magic pill for all situations and doesnt even own one himself. He says he like to ride trail and gncc with a mix of mx. I personally like reverse when Im trail riding, but thats me. You tell him not to buy "any thing but a 450". YellowRaptor700 has never added one actual peice of constructive advice ever!!
the 700 is a whole new quad----not a 660----in the 1st post he says mix of mx,gncc,fast trail riding=450 not pred-outlaw-rap-z400-----if he needs reverse get the new kaw 450 --- but plz cry on polaris owners
katch26
10-12-2006, 10:51 AM
you win yellow raptors are the best bike ever invented
its called a 700----not a 686 da----------when you say 686 we think you put a 686 kit on a 660----but i think you never had 1 to start with--- do you even have a pred or is it that your mommy has a trail boss.cry on
katch26
10-12-2006, 11:08 AM
hey friend a 686 is a kit for a 660 but since you brought it up why dont you pull out your owners manual and tell me how many cc's that 700 has
katch26
10-12-2006, 11:10 AM
and while youve got it out it would probably benefit you to read it so youll know a little bit about your own machine before you post downing others
per this post the 450 is best .I HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THE TRAIL BOSS LOL LOVE IT.
katch26
10-12-2006, 11:21 AM
anytime you want to see my pred will do let me know
katch26
10-12-2006, 11:35 AM
why do I need to edit my post its just friendly competition
kc8pnd
10-12-2006, 11:51 AM
I have passed them raptor 660 700 what evers on my old 300ex. I think them things are for fat people that want a sport look.
anytime you want to see my pred will do let me know----anytime you want to see WHAT my pred will do let me know.this is just a hint.
did you fall off a roof or something.
katch26
10-12-2006, 12:06 PM
Shouldn't it be "Did you fall off a roof or something?", since we're correcting grammer and all. Just a hint.
kc8pnd
10-12-2006, 12:09 PM
Well when you ever get out of the house on a ride down here at wayne, give me a shout, I'll ride with you. ;)
kc8pnd
10-12-2006, 12:18 PM
Thats enough predator vs craptor on the outlaw vs 450r thread. Maybe you should start a thread 700YELLOWCRAPTOR?
katch26
10-12-2006, 12:34 PM
[QUOTE]so how long have you 2 been going out?[QUOTE]
Nice you've just totally discredited anything you said when you threw that one out there, whats next your mama jokes....oh wait you already did that. Time to start hitting up the playground for fresh material.
Evasiveone
10-12-2006, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by kc8pnd
.... I think them things are for fat people that want a sport look.
LMAO. The sad thing is it is true. You hardly ever see someone under 225 lbs on a 700. Even 700yellowcraptor is part of the 300 lb club.
The 700 is a great trail bike no arguments there. But the Outlaw 525 is going to be a freaking awesome trail bike.
let me tell ya it nice to be able to man handle the wheeler's i ride and if i am riding away from home and need to put it back in the truck no ramps needed
quadfamily
10-12-2006, 07:59 PM
Knock it off or someone is getting banned!
QuadJunkies
10-13-2006, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by quadfamily
Knock it off or someone is getting banned!
Ill second that!:grr:
wilts42
10-19-2006, 10:36 AM
The 700r is a very good bike, it handles well and has plenty of bottom and revs almost like a 450 on top. However the seating arangment is different. It almost feels like being on a crouch rocket. It is definatly a learned position.
The outlaw is also a very good trail bike, it lacks the raw power you have with a 700 but is close. It makes it up with the seating. I am 6'2 and it fits. It might feel like your sitting on the nose a bit but you learn to sit back on it. To me the turning felt quicker and i liked the smoothness of the irs in the rocks and ruts.
Overall
power - 700r
trail - outlaw
racing - 700r (close one to call)
feel - outlaw (biggerguy)
quality- 700r
ride both, get the best deal because i would think you will not be able to push eather quad to its limits if your just a amature any how.
thats my 2 cents
kc8pnd
10-19-2006, 11:47 AM
:)
450rJam
10-22-2006, 12:02 PM
funny that the 450r only does 70mph.
im sure your graph is correct and every mag/gps/etc is off.
kc8pnd
10-22-2006, 03:26 PM
Call KTM/Polaris and tell them all about it, its their chart. I'm sure the graph is wrong, but I thought when they released this kind of info it has to be correct, atleast with cars it is. Plus I am sure they are all stock.
450rJam
10-22-2006, 03:56 PM
haha actually I see tv ads all the time saying chevy has more power, then dodge says more hp, then ford says it is the ................
If you look at the dynos from the other sights
honda/yamaha/suzuki
they all show theirs being the best.
Im saying that I know from gps that the 450r does 74,75
makes me wonder about the other numbers.
kc8pnd
10-22-2006, 04:47 PM
Ford can't put out a truck with 400 HP and it only have 350, that's false advertisement. I watched a show in spike or speed or something that was talking about it, they hooked a car motor to the dyno and it ran exactly what the factory rated it at, ATVs is no exception, they need to be putting out the power they claim they have or they are false advertising their product.
I have never put my GPS on my pred, I should try it, I did it on my 300ex and got only 68 mph. I raced my friends stock predator on my 300ex and he blew by me like nothing.
450rJam
10-22-2006, 05:12 PM
its like boat motors........
some rate it at the flywheel some at the prop.
im sure that new polaris is faster and better at everything.
thats why they are winning so many races.
looks like smiley is looking for another ride also.
seems funny the graph quotes "roll on"
advertisements are usually half truths.
they said my 450r with hrc would push 50hp.
thats bs. its not there at all.
the new dirtwheels claims that a "slip-on" exhaust will give the new 07 yfz450 10 to 15 more hp.
Im just saying dont believe everything you read.
kc8pnd
10-22-2006, 06:17 PM
I wanted a new 450r after I got bored with my 300ex. I just got a to good of a deal on my predator. I never really knew a lot about them at the time, all I knew was it had more power then I would ever need. Chadhix let me ride one of his outlaws at his store, I honestly could not tell a whole lot of a difference in the way it road then my predator. Then I ran over a few logs and it was smooth.
BuB400
10-22-2006, 06:41 PM
I have never put my GPS on my pred, I should try it, I did it on my 300ex and got only 68 mph. I raced my friends stock predator on my 300ex and he blew by me like nothing. [/B][/QUOTE]
Your buddies pred. blew by you because a 300 will no way in hell do 68. A 400 will just touch 68.
kc8pnd
10-22-2006, 07:02 PM
Your right, what was I thinking, I can't read.
outlaw11
10-25-2006, 06:22 AM
I love my outlaw wouldnt trade it for nothin its awesome through the trails i rode with one of my buddys last weekend he has a 450r and my bike was so much smoother thatn his and hes been riding for like 4 more years then me if your gonna wait i would defently wait for the 525 as soon as i can mines for sale and im gettin one 2
450rJam
10-26-2006, 06:06 PM
its still too heavy at 400 pounds, maybe drag race it but mx ?
the extra 50 pounds is too much a disadvantage in a sport where you try to get every edge you can.
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