Is this a KTM 525 Outlaw??

[GE4x4]

What do you think?

[GE4x4]

Larger.

[kc8pnd]

Looks interesting!

[SVTPete]

I saw that pic at the polaris dealership in there 2007 accersories catalog. It is very real and definately a different motor cause it only has one exhaust pipe.

[pudljumpr]

I see what you mean, we got our 07 catalog today and I was sitting by our 06 outlaw on the show room with the catalog and a magnafying lense. Differences, Black frame, new graphics, black seat, Single header, definately a different engine: Different motor mounts, quick change clutch cover, you can see where a Kickstarter shaft used to be, and possibly a SOHC, can't quite tell that. But just that engine alone should shave about 25lbs off the outlaw and the predator if they use that engine in both!!!! Hopefully reverse is still there! And I can't tell if EFI, you can see the engine is much shorter, but can't make out if it is carb or not, with all the vent lines hanging down though, looks to be carb, even a Flat slide!!

[kc8pnd]

If you look at the header heat shield it looks like it branches off into two headers, like the normal outlaw, pic is to hard to make out. Can't wait to see what its going to be.

[CHADHIX]

It is the real deal, TRUST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil: :devil: :devil:

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by kc8pnd
If you look at the header heat shield it looks like it branches off into two headers, like the normal outlaw, pic is to hard to make out. Can't wait to see what its going to be.

Any specs on it?

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by CHADHIX
It is the real deal, TRUST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil: :devil: :devil:

I meen any specs on it?

[kc8pnd]

chad get us some top secret photos of it and the predator lol :blah:

[SVTPete]

“Our teams have worked well together over the past year. The strategic partnership has accomplished a tremendous amount so far and achieved nearly all our goals during the first 12 months of its existence.” said Tom Tiller, Polaris’ CEO. “For instance, in February of this year Polaris and KTM entered into a long-term exclusive engine supply agreement for ATV applications and in March of this year KTM became Polaris’ distributor in Germany. Additionally, our co-development projects are progressing nicely and we expect to make an exciting announcement about one of our projects in the near future. These and other joint cooperation projects will continue into the future. I expect the technical cooperation between our companies to continue to be strong in the coming years.”


Thats all I have to say about that!

[CHADHIX]

I really would like to tell but I cannot. I am sure somebody will let it slip, I dont want to be tommy taddle tale. Sorry to leave you guys hangin!! You will see the new machines very soon.

[GE4x4]

Do you know how soon they will hit the showrooms?

[CHADHIX]

Early next spring:)

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by CHADHIX
Early next spring:)

Then whats the big secret for? If it won't be out for another 7 months.:huh

[CHADHIX]

That is what makes the new model releases exciting, All of the dealers get to see it,ride it and talk about before the public gets to see it. I think that is fair, dont you? Thats what makes it cool to be a part of the Polaris corp. I hate that you were upset earlier but I am in the same boat. I will just keep riding my 06 Outlaw and trade my 06 Predator L.E. for the 07 Outlaw. I never ride the Predator anymore anyway. I take that back, I did just race it at the 4 hour team harescramble,only because my Outlaw was all apart getting new carrier bearings and bushings all the way around. At that race I rode with one of my buddys, Stephanie and Angel Atwell rode together and Borich and Mcgill rode together. Needless to say Borich and Mcgill tore it up out there!! But one thing you do know is that fugi motor is damn tough, and has more than enough power for the average joe. Mine piped and jetted with the white bros filter kit really has all the power that i need. It will be more about the WANT of that new engine than the NEED!!!
Later

[red n blk supra]

Come on chad help us fellow atv riders out .

[CHADHIX]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Scotty7304]

So obviously their must be a new motor for '07 unless Chad is just mess'n with us.

[CHADHIX]

I can say some of the Polaris racers/riders will be stoked and some will be bummed with what is and is not coming for 07. That is all you guys are going to pull from me!!:macho

[kc8pnd]

I have an oil change comming up and I need oil, so chad you might see me this week LOL!

[GE4x4]

I robbed this from another site. Enjoy


Original Post:

Alright guys, it's offical. Outlaw with KTM 525 motor. Polaris claims that in testing it out ran EVERYTHING including the 450's and Raptor 700. And.... LESS WEIGHT. Same weight as Raptor 700! Polaris finally did it right.

The Predator keeps the 500 motor. The Outlaw will still have the 500 the first half of the year, then get the 525 KTM . Even with the 525, it still maintains reverse and electric start.

Other than that, nothing too exciting. The X2 gets an 800 model and has an updated seat latch and cushier seat. Now you can get 2 different Sportsman 500/700/800: a standard model Sportsman with no EBS, and steel wheels; or a deluxe model with aluminum wheels , EBS (4 wheel), rear rack extender, and a winch standard. So now you have a lower priced alternative if you don't want all the bells and whistles.

The 800 didn't get any more power or double a-arms, etc. as rumored. Carb 500/700 dropped.

Question Asked:

Are you 100% sure about this? No weight change for the Sportsmans? No different designs? They look the same? They kept Macphearson struts? Grrrr...


Response to Question:

Yep, I'm sure. I've seen it with my own eyes.

The Scrambler is now black/gray and looks really sharp, but not redesigned.

Only the deluxe model Sportsmans get the 4-wheel EBS. It's all 4 wheels, unlike the current rear-wheel-only models. They lowered the price on the standard models and dropped a few bells and whistles.

No Trail Blazer replacement.

And no weight change or different designs on the Sportsman. But to be fair, I've never had a customer complain about the weight on a Sportsman and I've been selling them for 6 years. The only people that care are the peopl that read it in Dirt Wheels.... Then they ride one and lost interest. The pure recreation market is so small compared to hunters/ranchers/commercial that I doubt you'll see a 600lb Sportsman in the near future. Everone on the forums likes to talk about it, but to be blunt, the recration riders are the smallest segment. It sucks... I'm a recreation rider myself. But the manufacutes just build whatever sells based on customer feedback.

The ATV industry as a whole hasn't really been growing regardless of manufacture, so I guess that's why it's been slow to see huge updates. So even though there isn't anything new that is too crazy, these are still steps in the right direction. I'm not saying it's shrinking... It's just been stagnant for the last 4-5 years. In the late 90's it had a huge boom then went flat.

Polaris, or any OEM for that matter, builds whatever the buyer wants. That's how they stay in business. It's in their best (profitable) interest to give the public what they want. If you don't see it on the showroom... That means not enough people want it. Well, let me re-phrase that. It means not enough people will buy it. We all talk about what we want, but a small fraction of us would actually go buy it. And that's what counts.

I would love to have the new Outlaw... but there is NO WHERE to ride anymore. More and more places get shut down. If we focus on places to use them, more people will buy them, and more innovation will hit the market.

[TYLER329]

Nice job Polaris! They give us the 06 Outlaw half way through 06 and now we will get the 07 half way through 07. That pretty much makes my 06 Oultaw unsaleable. From the pictures I have seen it looks like it doesn't have piggy backs in the rear. Probably had to cut costs. I'm sure i'll buy one but Polaris isn't making it easy on the racers giving us the quads 1 month before the season starts.

[Northstar Wolf]

I agree with Tyler329, with the 07 year only 4-5 months away back in March or April. I decided to wait for the new 07 Outlaw to come out and now we have to wait to March or April again. So looks like I'm going to wait for the 08 model year now. :rolleyes:

[calds650]

395 lbs and looks like new rear shocks and $7299 price tag

[digga_b]

Info is up.
Outlaw 525 (http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/ATV/2007Models/HighPerformance/Outlaw525/Features.htm)

http://www.polarisindustries.com/NR/rdonlyres/F09FB7DF-F47E-4BC6-9A6D-DA76393B4A48/7642/07_Outlaw525.jpg

[calds650]

Now they have to get a pro rider that likes IRS for GNCC for the desert a KTM 576 kit and tall gears and tires should due will in the BAJA 1000. Now I have to get a bigger trailer:D

[zesousa]

a black predator nice but and the tld??? it finished???

[kc8pnd]

That's not a predator, hence the rear shocks.

[zesousa]

i now but i look at the predator too and was white and black and only the stb version is a limited version hve the shock's of the tld but dont have the gear of the tld. =\. they finished the tld =\ the outlaw its nice the 525 its going to be a big powerfull quad

[kc8pnd]

maybe we will see a 449cc KTM motor in a predator later on down the road.

[DOHC]

Originally posted by kc8pnd
maybe we will see a 449cc KTM motor in a predator later on down the road.
that would be awsome

[yfz666]

finally a reason to buy something that interests me more than my yfz, a predator 450 would be nice at around 350 pounds.

[kc8pnd]

They have to do it! So many options, I don't know how many different types of predators there is, normal, TLD, LE, not to sure, now the outlaw 500 and 525. Its a must, they have to give the serious MXer something other then a 450 kit!

[CHADHIX]

The new Outlaw is just a taste of what is coming from Polaris/Ktm partnership. Be patient Predator owners!!!!!!!!!

[smokinwrench]

I was 100% not trading until the ktm 450 efi came out but the 525, 395lb OUTLAW is sounding damn good.

I'll wait and see what my Polaris guys say when they get back later this week. Its gotta ben great fun to go and ride the crap out of band new pototype machines.

[TYLER329]

I have heard that there is only one Outlaw 525 even made. I kinda wonder if they didn't just build one for the show to gauge public reaction. I also would like to know why the heck it won't be here until spring and every dealer only gets one. I know who's getting the one coming to this dealership!!!!

[wolffie]

wow, i cant believe there is gonna be a 525 outlaw! personally i think its great Polaris is updating their quads. hopefully that will make the other brands step their game up a bit. People can say what they want about Polaris, but at least they dont sit on their asses and try to sell people products that are outdated.

[CHADHIX]

3 made to be exact!! I WILL HAVE THE FIRST ONE IN MY STORE!!!!:cool: :cool: :cool:

[TYLER329]

CHADIX Is there any way I can get one sooner to my dealership. Heck i'd pay extra!!! The only good thing about the limited build is the fact that I am sitting on 7 2006 Outlaws.

[CHADHIX]

Sorry for the confusion, I meant that I will buy the first one I get here at my store! You guys better mark them babys down with all the rebates and move them before the new Outlaw comes! I thankfully only have two left. They have been selling very well for me.:devil:

[TYLER329]

Whats the trick, heck I bought one myself, won my first race on it, and still I can't move them very well. It just seems like they just get to much bad publicity for being heavy. If you run out of Outlaws and need to dealer trade some let me know!!!! Have you heard why there is no piggy backs on the 525 Outlaws? How about horsepower, I know that the Outlaw was rated at 52 hp.

[CHADHIX]

I also race mine all over the state. Every race I go to I always have people checking it out. I offer any remotely interested person to come to my store and test it out on the track at the store. We had Fast Traxx build us a sweet mx track along with some woods trails for people to take the demo machines out on. It will sell itself on the trails. I try to keep competive trade in's in stock to compare it to. The Outlaw 500 has 48 hp vs the 525s 62 hp. This thing is an ANIMAL!!!! Good luck and use F.A.C. to move those machines!!!

[wolffie]

the new 525 is crankin 62HP??? thats insane!

[CHADHIX]

Dyno proven!! UNFREAKIN REAL!!!! I am so pumped to get one of them on the track. Stephanie rode one two weeks ago and said it is absolutly sick the amount of power it puts out. She said it was very smooth,but very very powerfull. She is hopefully going to do a write up on it soon!!:devil:

[Crackhead_Willy]

I love KTMs and couldn't wait to see one of their engines in a quad, but I have got to know where the 62 HP number is coming from? I would assume that you are talking about at the crank since the KTM 525 bikes are only putting low 50s to the back wheel. There is no way a quad will be anywhere near 60HP with its much heavier drivetrain.

[CHADHIX]

You are correct about that. That number is at the crank on each engine. Sorry about that:)

[TYLER329]

Do you think that there is anyway that it will come to the market earlier?

[CHADHIX]

The pros will have there machines before to long, but we wont see ours till next spring.

[TYLER329]

Surely with the big change Smiley will be back on an Outlaw. It would be awesome to see it win the first time out!

[CHADHIX]

The bad thing is Smiley wont be riding a Polaris next year. I think Polaris will find a suitable replacement for him next year:)

[calds650]

I due not think he will be on the Outlaw. It does not fit his style of racing. The Outlaw handles corners so different and he was unable to adjust too it at race pace. I have a S.W.A.G. for 07, if KTM uses the Predator frame and there engine Matt would be a great rider for them

[CHADHIX]

It is hard to tell who he will ride for next year.....

[kc8pnd]

replace smiley with chad!

[wolffie]

im pretty excited about the Outlaw. correct me if im wrong but the Outlaw weighs about 440lbs right? the new 525 outlaw weighs 395 lbs and has a higher perofrmance 510 KTM engine it. so the Outlaw loses roughly 40 lbs AND gets a hotter engine. sounds pretty damn good to me:D

the only thing that puzzles me (mabey you could answer this for me Chaddix) is that Polaris is still keeping the regular Outlaw in the lineup, and hasnt changed the pred much. basically they have 3 quads that are all very similiar. you would think they would just replace the old outlaw and make some changes to the pred:confused:

[CHADHIX]

There will be two Outlaws for next year. A standard 500 in black or white or the 525 in black only. There will be no Troy lee edition for next year. All of the Predators will have the wide ratio tranny in them. They do make an Predator L.E. for next year but is only a color change, No rezzies, No Close ratio tranny. I think the Predator will be all new for 08. They did however lower the msrp of the Predator to $5999.00.:)

[calds650]

I have put a down payment on the 525 ;) any one looking for a nice 05 TLD Predator.

[GE4x4]

Why does Polaris site say the 525 is a shaft drive?

[calds650]

can you say miss print the broacher says chain drive

[SVTPete]

I think there will be two outlaws because the 525 will be very limited. KTM likes to limit there production runs on the first year bikes. The reason they do this is they build just enough to qualify for racing and I believe the 525 will be no dfferent.

[wolffie]

so basically the 07 preds will all have the gearing from the standard pred? interesting....you would think Polaris would at least throw on the rezzies:confused: im willing to bet the 08 pred will probably be a 450ish style quad. then Polaris will have the 525 Outlaw for XC, the pred for MX, and the Outlaw for multi purpose recreation.

[TYLER329]

You could be right but i'll bet they dump the 500 Outlaw after the 525 becomes more readily available. Wolffie, do you race in the Iowa ATV Harescramble Series by chance, your quad looks just like one at the races. I was the only guy on an Outlaw this year in this series. Hopefully Chadix can get me a 525 so I am faster next year!!!

[wolffie]

naw i actually didnt get the oppurtunity to race this year:( had to save up some cash.

any problems with the Outlaw at all? i have heard mixed things, but it deffinetly looks like a beasty machine. i am very anxious to see the new 525 and would love to test one myself. mabey the magazines will actually give it a good review:rolleyes: lol

[bansheerider4]

how fast do you guys think thats gonna go?:confused:

[Alpredator]

Hmmm 510cc + 5 speed trans + 395lbs +-099875562435)(*&%&$9123876 = 900mph. Man that calucation seems a little high but thats how fast it will go.

[wolffie]

Originally posted by Alpredator
Hmmm 510cc + 5 speed trans + 395lbs +-099875562435)(*&%&$9123876 = 900mph. Man that calucation seems a little high but thats how fast it will go.

naw man you are way off. its more like warp speed:D

lol, i dunno probably around the 70mph range. thats about what all the high performance quads go around. remember, its not how fast you go, its how fast you get there.

[Northstar Wolf]

[i]Probably around the 70mph range. thats about what all the high performance quads go around. remember, its not how fast you go, its how fast you get there. [/B]

That's the truth!!!:D

[TYLER329]

I have heard the rumor going around now that is it not much lighter than the current Outlaw. How do you shave off 45 lbs and only change the motor?

[CHADHIX]

Lets see, where to start?, No external oil tank, single header instead of two, The list goes on and on. Who ever started that rumor is totally stupid. It is way lighter than the current Outlaw. Anyone that has ever had a fuji engine out of the frame can tell you that is one heavy chunk of iron!!

[TYLER329]

Man i hope you are right. I weigh 135 and a 2hr long race on a Outlaw in the dry weather is pretty exhausting. Less weight would really help! Plus, from a dealer standpoint it would be nice to have people trading off 450's for a Polaris!!!!

[Northstar Wolf]

Hey Tyler329 do you race in the Iowa series?

[TYLER329]

Yepper! Just got done racing at Decatur City last weekend. Got the holeshot, led half the first lap, and then caught the friggin utility class. The slowest one wrecked in front of me and then 2-5 passed me. Finished 6th, didn't help it was 106 degrees.

[Northstar Wolf]

Yea I saw you motoring around the course, gave you the thumbs up every time you went by my station. You did a great job at the brooks race in the spring keep up the good work. :cool:

[watts16]

Cant wait to ride one of these.

Originally posted by TYLER329
Yepper! Just got done racing at Decatur City last weekend. Got the holeshot, led half the first lap, and then caught the friggin utility class. The slowest one wrecked in front of me and then 2-5 passed me. Finished 6th, didn't help it was 106 degrees.
Yea that race was exhausting. I moved to B so I threw 1st place away. :confused: I was leading then all of a sudden I couldnt see straight. So I took a 5 minute break and putted around the course.

[TYLER329]

Yeah, that sucks. It looked like you were really haulin the mail. I will move up to B next year. Probably could have had 3rd in this last race. The lighter 525 Outlaw will definately help my cause.

[Northstar Wolf]

Originally posted by watts16
Cant wait to ride one of these.

Yea that race was exhausting. I moved to B so I threw 1st place away. :confused: I was leading then all of a sudden I couldnt see straight. So I took a 5 minute break and putted around the course.

The heat was a common cause for a lot guys slowing down or taking a quick break to recover.