Who knows about new F250's?

[WKY400EX]

My dad just got rid of his Wrangler Sport, and bought a lifted 2006 F250 Superduty Ext. Cab 4x4 Diesel last week. I'm not very familiar with the new F250's, so I'm wondering, is there anything in particular we should know about it? Problems, tips, etc.? Thanks.

[quads14589]

my dad has a f350 diseal 05 and it keeps on having the engine light on it just went in for a oil change and the light came on again so its going back into the shop tonight.

[DieselBoy]

I can give you a good tip. Change your air filter, fuel filter, and oil filter religiously. and dont drive it like a sports car.

one known problem with the powerstroke is the CPS (Camshaft position sensor), which is only about $100, and all you do is plug a new one in and your on your way. Another in the injector control module. When this goes the injectors won't be able to fire, but you'll know it if it goes, and they usually never do in most cases. If you ever experience stalling, replace your CPS and you'll be good to go. but yours is a 2006, so there may be different defects.

got any pics of it?

[WKY400EX]

How many miles are these things lasting now?

[Smokin 440]

The little problems shouldn't come up, just the earlier 6.0s had problems because International didnt get athe R&D time they wanted, and Ford released the motor too early. I wouldnt worry too much, just do regulat maintainance...

[XCpred]

I don't know about the 6.0s but with my 7.3 if one of the batteries go dead it wont start so if you run into that problem check both bats.

[Elyk]

If you do your own oil changes they made it extremely easy the oil filter is up top so no more dumping it.

[Rico400]

lol whats it cost to do an oil change on one of those bad boys? 50 bucks or so.

we almost got an 250/350 diesel, but ended up with a 150. it pulls what we need it to and gets pretty good mpg.

[bulkdriverlp]

just take care of it, the ford dealer has an 85 with 390k on it and it makes dealer trades towing another vehicle to fl and back. just dont alter the compression or the workings of the engine, they are known to stretch the head bolts. put a filter and exhaust on it and leave it alone. j.m.o.

[Stevie-D]

one known problem with the powerstroke is the CPS (Camshaft position sensor), which is only about $100, and all you do is plug a new one in and your on your way.

aint it a crankshaft positioning sensor??

[DieselBoy]

camshaft position sensor.

Recently I've not heard too many complaints about the 6.0, but the 7.3 is a phenomenal engine. They are used in everything from ambulances, buses, service trucks, you name it. the engine is proven time, and time again.

yes, oil changes are alot more than that of a car. you will actually notice more pep when you have fresh oil, as opposed to worn oil. You'll see what I mean when you change it!

[derekhonda]

crankshaft, camshaft, same thing :devil:

[neworleans400ex]

I dunno much about em, but one of my friends just got an 06 king ranch crew cab and that thing is bad ***.
If I wasn't a chevy guy then I would def get one.

Originally posted by WKY400EX
How many miles are these things lasting now?

well over 500k

[1fst400]

the cam position sensor went bad in my dads 99 f-350 work truck. It would shut off randomly, he would turn the key off for a cuple seconds. Then start it up and be on his way. It did it from anywheres from once a month to twice a day. He eventualy had the sensor put in before he sold the truck.

Now he has an 05 f-350, man does this thing go like a raped ape. How can someone resist driving it like a sports car? It handles like a car, and is brutal fast.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by 1fst400
the cam position sensor went bad in my dads 99 f-350 work truck. It would shut off randomly, he would turn the key off for a cuple seconds. Then start it up and be on his way. It did it from anywheres from once a month to twice a day. He eventualy had the sensor put in before he sold the truck.

Now he has an 05 f-350, man does this thing go like a raped ape. How can someone resist driving it like a sports car? It handles like a car, and is brutal fast.

yep. classic symptoms of the CPS going out.

The reason I say don't drive it like a sports car, is because the diesel engines aren't supposed to be driven in that fashion, it's not good for them.

but yes, the 6.0s are very quick. thankfully the price of diesel up my way is WAY cheaper.

[Python]

funny to read this as I just replaced the CPS and ICM sensor's on my '99 7.3L not even a month ago.

Mine did the same thing as 1FST400 dad's did and it drove me nuts because the malfunction wasn't consistent. Finally found me a good diesel mechanic who knew what he was talking about and fixed it for me.

165K and still pullin' a 40' toy hauler w/ no problems - with just routine maint (oil / gas / air filter changes and Chevron gas)...

[JW450R1]

good luck with that 6 liter.i work at ford as a tech.my buddy next to me works on deisles.WOW 6 liters have a lot of problems.ford is changing their motor next year i think.twin turbos.the 6 liter:
oil leaks bad.my buddy spent about 60 hours trying to fix a 6 liter,with the ford reps,and international reps.they could n't even fix it.noise on cold start up.they replaced motor,just about everything.them we bought the truck back.
MORE OF FORDS BRILLIANT IDEAS.....

[MoToX199]

my dad wants to sell his and get one of the new ones that have the twin turbo's,but his is a 6.0 and we have had no problems with it,but granted we do a service every 2000 miles on it,but congrats on the new truck you will like it

[popo]

Originally posted by WKY400EX
so I'm wondering, is there anything in particular we should know about it? Problems, tips, etc.? Thanks.

YES....sell it and buy a Chevy.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by popo
YES....sell it and buy a Chevy.


LMAO!

Speaking of diesels, a guy I know that goes to our local bar just picked up a new truck. 2006 Dodge Cummin's 3500 dually 4x4 6sp manual- every option possible, including custom wheels. I went out to the parking lot to look at it - very nice truck. What really suprised me was when he opened the hood. Two Banks turbo chargers, full 5" exhaust, computer work and a beefed up tranny. Just about everything you can do to a Cummin's has been done to this truck - except for propane. Next time I see him I'll get some photo's. He even has a dyno from the shop that built the truck for him. 750HP / 1450 lbft!!!! He has to keep an VERY close eye on his EGT gauge - its ok for quick runs, but nothing you want to keep your foot planted into.

Next time I'm there and not drinking, he's gonna give me the keys! :devil: I'm a chevy man at heart, but this Dodge sure stole it!

[milehigh450r]

Originally posted by Kickstarts_Suck
well over 500k

Dude I have never ever heard of a 6.0 going 500k miles. :huh They are too new and I doubt they would last that long anyway. A Cummins, sure it could, maybe even the 7.3, but not the 6 leaker.

Originally posted by MOFO

Next time I'm there and not drinking, he's gonna give me the keys! :devil: I'm a chevy man at heart, but this Dodge sure stole it!

I'd rather be Cummin then Strokin'. :devil:

[dvx rider1]

I've got a 6.0 and let me tell you something, don't chip!! After I ran my Predator at the lowest performance setting for 10k, I got the head gasket problem everyone else has. I now have 99k on it and I've got an electrical problem in the tranny, but it just seems like a sensor. It got 19 hw and 16 city until about 75k, now it gets 17.5 and 14, I would love to trade it for a Cummins, but I wanted to avoid tranny problems and I'm not shifting gears. If you don't tow more than 5k, you'll never notice the headgasket problem, but if you have a 30', 8k lb toyhauler like me, then you spend most of your trips staring at the temp gauge and hoping for the best.

[JW450R1]

500k,i really don't think so.unless u take the motor and trans. out 1 x a month or so.ford really should have a recall,just on the motor it's self.junk

Originally posted by milehigh450r
Dude I have never ever heard of a 6.0 going 500k miles. :huh They are too new and I doubt they would last that long anyway. A Cummins, sure it could, maybe even the 7.3, but not the 6 leaker.

i didnt say a 6.0. He said "how long do diesels last"

[LTZ400rider]

im in the market for a diesel, as soon as i save 10 grand to get started. im trying to buy a lariat f250

the duramaxs are definetly the quietest and most comfortable diesels. my dad has one and its like a caddy inside

[Elyk]

Originally posted by Rico400
lol whats it cost to do an oil change on one of those bad boys? 50 bucks or so.

we almost got an 250/350 diesel, but ended up with a 150. it pulls what we need it to and gets pretty good mpg.


They are closer to 100 bucks.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by Elyk
They are closer to 100 bucks.

yep!

[Elyk]

One of our buddies has an old dodge with a litlle over 500,000 miles on it. He just has it serviced regularly.

[angry450r]

diesel pick ups rock! me and 4 of my buddies have them ( I drive a duramax and few guys have the ford 6.0 there is soooooooooo many diff. thing you can do to it and real gain some power and evevn get better fuel mileage with a programmer or module, edge, bully dog, super chips, bd. just to name a few I have the bd in my chevy. 4 diff settings and whats cool is you can put it in tow/haul mode and its great for road trips the truck went from 16-17 mpg to 20-21 which is phenomenal for a pick up . then I can crank it up to level 2 or 3 and I can blaze the tires at will and the best part is smoking all these crappy lil rice burners!!!!!!!

[quads14589]

my dad just got his truck outta the shop yesturday f350 diseal the engine light was on got a oil change then got it back then the light came on again them brought it back again and the problem was something with the supercharger it cost 1100 good thing we still got the warrenty.

[DieselBoy]

you mean the turbo charger. what went wrong with the turbo?

[angry450r]

I have heard more than one of the new fords in with turbo trouble the newer turbos are electronicallly controlled. I know 2 guys that have gottten new ones thats why I got an 04 chevy and not the 2004 1/2 mine is the last year the used a turbo with an actuator off engine vaccuum opening and closing the wastegate. thasts why newer ones are lazy from a punch or off the line I can adjust mine they cannot not( the wastegate)

[1fst400]

the turbo went in my dads 04 f-350 last year. It got starved for oil then siezed up. All under warentee.

[DieselBoy]

how the hell did it get starved for oil?

[JW450R1]

well we have a 6.ol.WOW it made it a hole 5k.we r installing a motor for a noise on cold start-up.

[Ex_Rider43]

WOW Im in the market for a 6.0 F250 too and all I read here is bad comments !!


Is the 7.3 engine a lot lower on MPG's ?

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by Ex_Rider43
WOW Im in the market for a 6.0 F250 too and all I read here is bad comments !!


Same here !!!! :ermm:

I've been reading about the problems with the Fords , I've heard of too many problems with the Chevys and I hate the styling on the new Dodges . What the **** am I gunna do ???

[brian-250]

Just a note for all of you Ford bashers to keep in mind. I was at a friends bodyshop a few weeks back and one of his buddy's was there, he was driving a 2002 ford F250, 6.0, auto, 2x4, supercab long bed. He pulls traliers from the factory to various places and had 999,999 miles on this truck, never opened the motor, trans., he has put Joints in it a few times, but has kept it serviced up every 4000 miles and not a single problem. He put it on a trailer and took to the dealer to trade in and they wouldn't touch it so he said F you and took it home and still drives it to this day, he is closing in on 1.5 mill. miles on it. So all you ford bashers out there con put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Smokin 440]

Originally posted by brian-250
Just a note for all of you Ford bashers to keep in mind. I was at a friends bodyshop a few weeks back and one of his buddy's was there, he was driving a 2002 ford F250, 6.0, auto, 2x4, supercab long bed. He pulls traliers from the factory to various places and had 999,999 miles on this truck, never opened the motor, trans., he has put Joints in it a few times, but has kept it serviced up every 4000 miles and not a single problem. He put it on a trailer and took to the dealer to trade in and they wouldn't touch it so he said F you and took it home and still drives it to this day, he is closing in on 1.5 mill. miles on it. So all you ford bashers out there con put that in your pipe and smoke it.

The 6.0 didn't come out til 03 or 03.5 so you're off with something...

[DieselBoy]

Mid 2003. And yes, it's possible to put a 1,000,000 on a truck if you travel enough.

For you guys looking for a reliable engine, buy a used 7.3. They are BULLETPROOF. I was hesitant about diesels, talking with...christ....MANY many many diesel mechanics. They told me, time and time again, if you want a GOOD all around engine, get the powerstroke 7.3 or the cummins, which is obviously a good motor. They also told me ford should have improved upon the 7.3, instead of building the 6.0. The only REAL reason they abandoned the 7.3 Powerstroke is because it would no longer meet the strict emissions standards the EPA put out, so they decided to build a new engine that produced more torque, and met the EPA standards. It was rushed. I truly hope Ford one day uses the cummins or a CAT engine. But, It doesn't look like the relationship with international is going to break up anytime soon, and I truly believe internet builds a good product.

Basically, diesel engines are touch and go. You either get a flawless one, or you get a POS.

[kidonthehunt]

i agree diesels rock we have an 02 chevy duramax with 130,000 miles on it and it still handles like new we've only had the injectors fail

heres something for u diesel boys to admire

my grandpa has an 88 chevy 2500 with a 350 it has 476,000 miles on it this truck has not had an easy life it was dumped in the river with 40,000 on it all he did was drain it all out he used it to pick up roadkill for the county and is now retired he still drives this truck everyday the motor has never been cracked open but it has had 2 computers and 6 transmissions

[kidonthehunt]

oh and for fords 6.0 its a piece of junk

its had turbo problems, wiring problems, computer problems, etc, etc, etc,......... ford should scrap it and start over

you guys probably think im a chevy snob and i am

but i think the cummins is a great motor and the 7.3 ford is a good motor too

[JW450R1]

SORRY BRIAN-250.FORD DIDN'T MAKE A 6.0L IN 2002.THE 6.0L CAME OUT IN 04

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by JW450R1
SORRY BRIAN-250.FORD DIDN'T MAKE A 6.0L IN 2002.THE 6.0L CAME OUT IN 04

WRONG! Mid 2003.

[angry450r]

actually you BOTH are wrong the 6.0 came out in mid year 03 so you could still get a 7.3 in 03 and the 6.0 and before you ask no it is not an 04 my buddy has it and its an 03 on the title. . just lil info for you all: they had so many problems with the 03/04 ford is offering fair market trade in on them plus 2500$ towards an 05/06 they feel they didnt want to lose unhappy ford fans to the competitor. this was from a dealer outside of chicago and he told my buddy its a nationwide thing. because his 03 has been in the shop more than a tool box

[Pro400EXC]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
yep. classic symptoms of the CPS going out.

The reason I say don't drive it like a sports car, is because the diesel engines aren't supposed to be driven in that fashion, it's not good for them.

but yes, the 6.0s are very quick. thankfully the price of diesel up my way is WAY cheaper.



Bullshyt

I drive mine like i stole it..wide open

I transport boats on the weekdays and drag race on the weekend..

My truck is a 03 and I have 300K miles on my Duramax..Runs like a champ.

I know several guys who drag/tractor pullw/ there all the time and now have well over 100k miles..Drag RAcing doesn't really hurt a diesel..its not alot of strain on it.

Also...almost a Million Miles on a 6.0?HAAHAHAHAHA

Yah stfu rookie. If he has that mnay miles on there w/out a problem or a rebuild...i'd like to see that.

Also he did this in 4 yrs? Um NO.. That would equal 250,000 miles a yr and 684miles a day. If he is legal and runs a log book he cannot run that long...And if he isn't legal its still bs...he could not have driven 250k miles a yr for 4 yrs.

All you ford lovers i am sorry but the facts are the fact. The 6.0 Was junk and in some cases still is.

Ford has lost so much money..Somehting like 6 million due to the 6.0. These are fact...look it up on the internet.

Yes Chevy did have a few problems w/ the 1st yr LB7 model Dmax..but the newer ones are flawless...


And you can't go by what 10 or 15 ppl have said..because last time i checked there were more than 10 or 15 trucks built...Some people just have no luck or all of it

[EXevan91]

my dads a ford mechanic the 6.0s are carp if u dont keep the air filter,oil,oil filter CLEAN if u have a choice dont buy a ford 6.0 diesel hopfully someday ford will get it right but...

[RonJ]

What do you mean by noise on cold startup in the 6.0? The one you're replacing the motor on. What type of noise is it making?

[stupid quad]

Let Me preface this post by saying that I'm a Ford tech and have been working on the diesels since they had the first 6.9 non-turbo engines!

1) I'd stay away from the 6.0 unless you NEED A NEW truck. 2002 was last and BEST year for the 7.3. If you can find a way to get a clean 2001-2002 F-250/350 GRAB IT

Just make sure it wasn't beat or modified and make sure it's properly serviced. The 7.3's will tolerate Slight modifications like air filters/ exhaust /and low level chip kits.
The 7.3's will go 500k to 750k and more with no trouble at all if serviced at a regular interval eg. oil changed at 5k to 7k intervals, air filter at 7k to 10k intervals unless very dusty, and fuel filter at 10k.

The auto trans in the 2001-2002 is an electronic 4 speed and if serviced regularly is a strong/reliable unit unlike the earlier units.
The manual trans in these trucks is an indestructable 6spd german designed unit which has it's own oil pump and cooler to ensure a long life.

2) As far as the 6.0's go, WHEN they run right, they are great. More power, quieter, less emissions,less turbo lag.
To this day the 6.0's are buggy and still being researched. The injectors are still coming apart or the clips holding the injectors together are still coming undone. The injection/high pressure oil system has been redesigned 3 times so far and STILL having problems. ALOT of the high presure pumps are coming apart internally and causing failures and no-starts at low miles
The auto trans for the 6.0's is, by design, a good unit but the early 2003/2004 were coming apart... steer clear of those... a few recalls and design changes later it seems better!
DO NOT I repeat...DO NOT modify the 6.0's .... even an exhaust will void the warranty. Any modifications will effect the durability. Exhaust systems will increase the turbo's speed and cause durability problems...same with air filters etc. These things SCREAM with chips,exhaust,intake etc. BUT Ford and international watch all those commercials too and take it from me They are inspecting and may require pictures if there are major engine failures.
Services are even more important for the 6.0's they have 2 fuel filters with a very fine filtering medium so if they get ANY sediment in the fuel and thru them they need to be replaced!
The injectors are VERY susceptable to water and if any makes it thru those filters 8 out of 10 times ALL the injectors will need replacement and, by the rules, warranty will not cover water in the fuel.
The manual trans for the 6.0's are the same bulletproof unit used in the later 7.3 trucks and is a good choice. (really low creeper type gear low gear)

All in all I'd give Ford and International a few years to get this motor perfected
It took them 3-4 years to get the 7.3's up to snuff and that motor has less parts/technology.

Thnx for reading and I hope this gives a little insight??

[JW450R1]

yes mid 03 was the year,but if i am correct it was considered a 04.what about desile boy may be he knows.lol

[brian-250]

Damn, all this BS over a typo? i ment 7.3 and never even caught it. Bash and throw facts all you want, this truck exists.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by Pro400EXC
Bullshyt

I drive mine like i stole it..wide open

I transport boats on the weekdays and drag race on the weekend..

My truck is a 03 and I have 300K miles on my Duramax..Runs like a champ.

I know several guys who drag/tractor pullw/ there all the time and now have well over 100k miles..Drag RAcing doesn't really hurt a diesel..its not alot of strain on it.

Also...almost a Million Miles on a 6.0?HAAHAHAHAHA

Yah stfu rookie. If he has that mnay miles on there w/out a problem or a rebuild...i'd like to see that.

Also he did this in 4 yrs? Um NO.. That would equal 250,000 miles a yr and 684miles a day. If he is legal and runs a log book he cannot run that long...And if he isn't legal its still bs...he could not have driven 250k miles a yr for 4 yrs.

All you ford lovers i am sorry but the facts are the fact. The 6.0 Was junk and in some cases still is.

Ford has lost so much money..Somehting like 6 million due to the 6.0. These are fact...look it up on the internet.

Yes Chevy did have a few problems w/ the 1st yr LB7 model Dmax..but the newer ones are flawless...


And you can't go by what 10 or 15 ppl have said..because last time i checked there were more than 10 or 15 trucks built...Some people just have no luck or all of it

Looks like you enjoy picking your ***.

You come across as a cocky know it all, which I doubt you have any such clue of diesel knowledge. If you truly believe drag racing a diesel engine rapping out the RPMs you are truly a fool.

Chevy's diesel will always be very touch and go in my opinion, their unseen in my parts. Literally nobody buys them. There always gas. After the problems people have had with them, such as injection system/turbo failure, it becomes not worth it.

Chevy never learned to innovate, their designs are plain, and boring. I read an article about chevy in the paper basically saying how they're behind the times, and that's why they struggle so much. Each and every single truck at work in our fleet is a 2006 chevy, LOW, low mileage, probably not even 10,000k and they ALL have engine lights on, they blow transfer cases, diff seals, brakes go ALL the time, alternators going, payload is a JOKE, and my boss is a huge chevy fan at heart, and said he will never consider chevy for a fleet again.

There's plenty of newer diesels around with high mileage untouched. If you drive enough, the mileage ads up fast, rookie.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
Looks like you enjoy picking your ***.

You come across as a cocky know it all, which I doubt you have any such clue of diesel knowledge.



Shall I bring back the thread where you claimed the Duramax is the SAME motor has the older 6.2L/6.5L, just a couple updates where applied?

[MOFO]

Originally posted by DieselBoy


Chevy never learned to innovate, their designs are plain, and boring. I read an article about chevy in the paper basically saying how they're behind the times, and that's why they struggle so much. Each and every single truck at work in our fleet is a 2006 chevy, LOW, low mileage, probably not even 10,000k and they ALL have engine lights on, they blow transfer cases, diff seals, brakes go ALL the time, alternators going, payload is a JOKE, and my boss is a huge chevy fan at heart, and said he will never consider chevy for a fleet again.



Funny, in my company we probably have around 3,000 GM trucks - 1/2 and 3/4 ton's. We had Ford before that. Guess what? The GM's have been WAY more reliable than the Fords were! I wasn't going to bring this up, but since you want to talk about fleets... I'll bite!

[DieselBoy]

Sure. The one you closed, right beevis?

Infact, I knew it was only a matter of minutes before you stopped by to defend your precious duramax.

but you know what? this whole arguement is a waste of time. your not going to win, and either am i. this is so childish....

[MOFO]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
Sure. The one you closed, right beevis?

Infact, I knew it was only a matter of minutes before you stopped by to defend your precious duramax.

but you know what? this whole arguement is a waste of time. your not going to win, and either am i. this is so childish....

LOL, its not mine. I just find it funny you claim to be a diesel expert and would bash the Duramax, however know very little about it. I have problems with little kids that know nothing about a product, yet bash it based on false information...

I'm done with this... just thought I'd throw my $0.02 in. :D

[nosliw]

no no no no, this IS worth arguing.

when it's going to become pointless is when we back you into a corner and the only comebacks you have are "from experience" :rolleyes:


i've got a dmax, but i'm not a brand loyalist. i wouldn't defend the 6.0 if it was chevy's idea, and i wouldn't defend the 47RE if it was chevy's idea.

you thought the dmax was a done-up 6.2/6.5? show me where you read that.

"You come across as a cocky know it all, which I doubt you have any such clue of diesel knowledge. If you truly believe drag racing a diesel engine rapping out the RPMs you are truly a fool."

there's a whole world that you haven't even experienced, buddy.

[MOFO]

Originally posted by nosliw
no no no no, this IS worth arguing.

when it's going to become pointless is when we back you into a corner and the only comebacks you have are "from experience" :rolleyes:




Small quote from this interesting debate... remember, he has tons of personal experience with diesel motors!


GM & Isuzu's engine.

Maybe now they are grasping the fact that a Gasoline V8 can't tolerate the stress of the diesel cycle, but they didn't before.

They will never be forgotten for what they did.

The reason the 6.5 was brought into the discussion is because its basically an older version of the duramax. DUH....


For your reading pleasure. Take note of the last 1/2 of this thread. He sure knew alot about the Duramax back in Feb 06... :rolleyes:

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242121


...I dont forget when people try to burn me and they are wrong!

[DieselBoy]

ROTFL!!!!!

You're the one who told me GM never took a 350 V8 and converted it to diesel. Shows how much YOU know.

I never said directly that the 6.2/6.5 are duramax. Duramax is just a name, it's nothing more. Isuzu made the 6.2, and the 6.5 in conjuction with GM. GM also owns Isuzu. Isuzu builds a terrible engine, no questions asked.

The only reason it has the duramax name is to compete with powerstroke. The 6.6 was built from the ground up as a diesel engine, still V8, still setup like the 6.2/6.5, only with many improvements -- FINALLY, CHEVY, IT CLICKED!!!

Anyway, I thought you said you're "done with this" Mofo?

[MOFO]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
ROTFL!!!!!

You're the one who told me GM never took a 350 V8 and converted it to diesel. Shows how much YOU know.



Again, the discussion was about the Duramax...the motor you love to bash, yet know so little about. Please re-read your posts in the old thread... I think you forgot!

BTW, pull a direct quote of me telling you GM never took a V8 and made it into a diesel! Again, please read before you post! Your making yourself look, well...kinda stupid.

I'm off to Vegas... see ya'll next week!

[MOFO]

Originally posted by DieselBoy


I never said directly that the 6.2/6.5 are duramax. Duramax is just a name, it's nothing more.


Here is your answer when I asked you what experience you had with a Duramax.


Well then. Yes I have had personal experience with the duramax engine in a white chevy express 6.5 turbo diesel. 1. all the injectors failed twice, injector o-rings, the injector pump went twice, the turbo went, they are an aluminum engine and head leaks like it's nobody's business. The engine's are based upon a 350 Gasoline V8. They were not based on a true diesel engine.

...I just could not resist one last post. :blah:

[MOFO]

Originally posted by DieselBoy


Anyway, I thought you said you're "done with this" Mofo?

Now I'm done DieselBOY. :devil:

[400exstud]

Let me get this straight.......... the 7.3s are good.......... and the 6.0s are not.:)

[Pro400EXC]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
ROTFL!!!!!

You're the one who told me GM never took a 350 V8 and converted it to diesel. Shows how much YOU know.

I never said directly that the 6.2/6.5 are duramax. Duramax is just a name, it's nothing more. Isuzu made the 6.2, and the 6.5 in conjuction with GM. GM also owns Isuzu. Isuzu builds a terrible engine, no questions asked.

The only reason it has the duramax name is to compete with powerstroke. The 6.6 was built from the ground up as a diesel engine, still V8, still setup like the 6.2/6.5, only with many improvements -- FINALLY, CHEVY, IT CLICKED!!!

Anyway, I thought you said you're "done with this" Mofo?



LMAo..

You are now goin to be reffered to as DieselDouche.

Isuzu makes terrible engines?LOL Wow....I cannot count how many Isuzu NPr's etc that have racked up many miles w/ no problems.. Um also they are the leader in light diesel engines in Japan and such.

You obviously know nothing..Maybe its because you head is stuck so far up your ***..Open your eyes d*ckhead.

Also you've got somehting to say about aluminum heads?haha Ummmm...Mercedes has been using aluminum heads for a loooong time. And they've been working flawless for them.

Also GM doesn't own all of isuu..They own some...

And Isuzu didn't work on the 6.2/6.5 diesel...That was Detroit. Which used to be owned by gm..but now Mercedes


The Duramax engine was a joint design between GM/Isuzu. GM assembles the engines in Morraine Ohio and GM owns all rights to the engine.

Also Chevy is 10yr behind?There technology is old?

Ohhh...I guess you forgot they are the King right now w/ 360hp/ 650ft lbs..Most ever offered in a Light Duty truck

Hows is there technology dated? They offered steering wheel controls before ford..also the auto headlights have been around longer than ford

DieselDouche...please get some more knowledge before you argue w/ the big dogs... BTW go change your tampon you lil *****

[Pro400EXC]

Also how about the GM 's LS7 powered Z06..

Ferrari Performance@ Wal-Mart price

[Mud Roost]

wow, you ruined another thread!

[milehigh450r]

Hey man, the Dmax turned out to be a good motor, there's no gettin around it.

I just want to see what Ford's next motor will be like. Stupid quad, what do you know about the 6.4 TT?

[Pro400EXC]

the 6.4 TT should be nice..hopefully they'll have all the bugs worked out.

But everyone keeps thinking since it will have twins its gonna scream,but I think the twins will be more for economy than power

[Pro400EXC]

Originally posted by Mud Roost
wow, you ruined another thread!


who me?

Whooo...I am the local atvriders.com prick...

[stupid quad]

As for the reply above, I haven't seen anything on the new twin turbo!!

I'm anxious to see how the plumbing on that will be..

The lack of any info hopefully means that they will put a little more time in the 6.0 motor???
I DO know that anything done will be towards the goal of lower emissions and better efficiency. The Feds are clamping down on the diesels now like they did the gas engines. That was the primary reason for the change from the 7.3 to begin with!!

As for the question above about which is better 7.3 or 6.0 ?
At this point in time I'd definately say the 7.3.
The 6.0 has the POTENTIAL to be a better engine and when working as designed IS a better engine, there are still too many little troubles that can stop them in their tracks!

That is what I consider to be the most important part... WILL IT RUN ALL THE TIME . I mean a little bucking and that kind of stuff will not leave you stranded. When this engine develops a problem it will either miss badly or not start... That's a problem you can't live with.

Don't think that this is "Ford Bashing" I still think they are the best all-around of the new pickups (ride quality, comfort,feel,etc.)

There are alot of the 6.0's on the street that are running fine and very reliably.It's just that the ones that don't .... don't.

If I was looking for a NEW Ford "super duty", I'd probably get the V-10 motor . If you NEED the diesel I'd look for a 2001-2002 7.3 truck.

Just MY opinion.

[angry450r]

gotta jump cause your are a fool! based on the 62. 6.5?? lol no. your stupid. and for not believing him that he works all week towing and then goes to the dragstrip well. it 100% can be true and if you werent some such an arogent ford fan you would know! go to dieselplace.com and you will see it for your self these trucks are freakin flyin!!! and relaible as hell as mine is. for minimal amounts of money these big CHEVY 4x4's are putting out huge numbers on engine dyno and running quartermile miles comparable to corvettes and vipers and there are a few that are faster than that. so before you bash get your facts staight.diesels are a HUGE craze right now and they even have there own drag racing leauge that travels the country and there is more and more trucks at every event. and the fastes one is a DURAMAX!!! if you dont believe me look up anwhere on the net a truck named 'NO LIMIT" oh and by the way my truck has 75k never been to the shop gets 17-21 mpg and runs 13.97 at 96 in the 1/4 so there my .02 WHICH IS ALL FACTTTTTTTTTTT!!

[CHAR250R]

Originally posted by WKY400EX
My dad just got rid of his Wrangler Sport, and bought a lifted 2006 F250 Superduty Ext. Cab 4x4 Diesel last week. I'm not very familiar with the new F250's, so I'm wondering, is there anything in particular we should know about it? Problems, tips, etc.? Thanks.


Try this website. Very informative: www.thedieselstop.com

[DieselBoy]

the white chevy express was enough for me to base my decision on them:D

[Pro400EXC]

too bad the express nevr came w/ a duramax until 06..douchebag...



and even then its turned down so it doesn't toats the 4l80e tranny..because the allison is to big foor the van

[DieselBoy]

you know what....your a fckn tranny.

I don't claim to be a pro diesel guy, or know everything about the duracrap... I have my opinions, and you have yours... you just happen to love a good arguement, and the only reason youre here is to start bullsh... so what if the duramax produces 650ft.lbs, it doesn't make it a superior diesel to the cummins/powerstroke, and it NEVER will be. Drag race your fckn' truck, I personally don't give a frig. Diesels have a very low RPM range, and they're built to work not race, but people race them. It's there choice, not mine. And the article on GM's "never learning to change" was completely valid. Even though GM's sure stepped it up in the last 2-3 years. Our GM work trucks are junk! they overheat all the time, they leak oil, the engine lights always on, they have a small payload, what else.... they're low, they pull like sh-t, my boss will never consider GM again. You can defend your opinions all you like, but I stand my ground with mine.

[Pro400EXC]

whoooo Duracrap...so original dipshyt.

Umm the powerstroke is superior???


OH yeahh...thats why Ford LOST so much money on that engine,and there are so many recals w/ it..

Yes the duramax had problesm too..but not as bad as your holy grail Powerstroke.


also yes the cummins is a good motor,but the shytbox it comes in sucks.

Also the duramax holds its own. The cummins used to be the tractor/drag raceing king..but guess what the duramax..yes duramax isn't too far behind...were's ford?ohh its eating the soot/dust from cummins/duramax

Also GM sucks...and your boss's Gm's are junk...maybe your Boss....but yes thats right lets base our opinion on the few encounters YOU had w/ GM products..not the millions of other GM drivers that haven't had problems....but thats right you live w/ your head up your *** so you wouldn't know about that would you BOY.

From now on if i come across 1 or 2 people w/ a complaint about somehting I am going to base all my facts on that....and if someone wants to tell me diffrent I won't listen..wooo wooo...

DieselBoy...your way of life is so grand

[Quad18star]

So what's the best diesel truck out on the market right now ??? What's reliable , what's got the power and whats got the comfort?

EVERY mechanic I've talked to has said to stay away from GM because of engine problems ... not only with their diesels but with their gas engines also since the late 90's .

I've always been a Dodge fan , but lately I've been hearing and seeing too many Dodge trucks in the shop . My uncle just had to bring his new Dodge in for repair cuz the fuel pump just decided to quit . It would have been a $2000 repair job , but thankfully it was still under warranty .... that's amid other problems he's had with the truck .

I never really looked into the Fords , but from what you guys have been saying , the last reliable Ford truck was built in 2002 or 2003 .

Also being a fan of drag racing and growing up at or around the track , I have to say one of the worst things they've ever allowed is guys running their diesel trucks . Leave the truck in the pits to tow your trailer .... not on the track to be blowing tons of black smoke when the light goes green .

[Pro400EXC]

Quad.....


I don't know what those crazy canuks are smoking up there but GM gasser's are junk?


Nicca please.

These mechanic's are obviously not fans of GM....There are few problems w/ the newest gen. small blocks. The 4.8,5.3,6.0.etc are awsome engines

Look at the Ecotec 4cyl. There was a test they sprayed it w/ 20lbs of nitrous 88hp dray shots and it kept on running like a champ.

Hell all these GM engines will take N20 w/out a problem..

Its all about how you treat your vehicles and take care of them..Never change the oil and treat it like shyt thats what you get..a pos.

The big 3 all ahve there problems,but i doubt just because a mechanic of 2 says there junk that means they are in fact junk..Like i told diesel boy. Because you ran across maybe 4 or 6 guys who had problems..that doesn't mean the millions of other GMproducts are the same..Face it everyone gets a lemon one time or another...or thats all they get.

My opinion to you is take whichever you like for a test drive..take all 3 for a test drive. Whichever makes you happiest and find the most comfortasble to you..Buy it.

I test drove all 3...and in the end i got a Silverado..not just because i am a fan of GM..but beauce I felt most at home in it. It rode nice..the seats are ultra plush,stereo is great,handles good,and when i open the hood i can do most the work myself.

People you have got to quit listening to what other people say and do some reaserch of your own.

Go to google,or yahoo or whatever...look up shyt...don't go by other peoples word because granted there opinion isn't the best.

Search the auto forums and see what people have to say about each.

And a test drive won't hurt.

Now if you do take out a newer F150 w/ the 5.4...they feel like a doooooog....They feel like a V6 under the hood..I know i've drove alot..but all you need is a programmer to take off the restrictive factory settings that make it lack on the bottom..

Anyways....just go see what YOU like...

[Pro400EXC]

and if you wanna learn about the Duramax and there not so many problems..

www.dieselplace.com..check it out...

the LB7 had injector issues but GM extended the warrenty to 200K miles for the 01-04.5 engines...

The LLY had a few overheating problems...but no biggy.

The new LBZ is unproven yet..but time will tell..

The Duramax is not it fact a duracrap...sure GM's diesel's in the past wre junk..but the Duramax is a great engine..and I know from expirence..i have 300K trouble free...hard driven miles...I drive mine like i stole it..thats a fact

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by Quad18star
So what's the best diesel truck out on the market right now ??? What's reliable , what's got the power and whats got the comfort?

EVERY mechanic I've talked to has said to stay away from GM because of engine problems ... not only with their diesels but with their gas engines also since the late 90's .


DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!!!! Exactly what i'm trying to convey to them Greg.

And I totally agree about drag racing a diesel.

The duramax 6.6 has yet to prove itself.

[oldskoolex400]

my family owns a air conditioning company on the east coast and i help them out delievering supplies to the job sites when they are low on help all these trucks were bought by the company in the past 8 years and we have had excellent service out of all of them

2001 f-250 diesel burgandy ext cab loaded....400,358 only non normal routine fix was a waterpump around 300k this truck MIGHT have the oil changed every 20k auto

2006 f-250 diesel crew cab white lariat loaded...it is 2 weeks old has 6300 on it already trying to keep this oil up to date haha auto

2001 f-350 diesel dually white lariat ed loaded two tone taupe/white has 72,000 on it only problems it was a CV joint in the front wheel i believe but this was from not being kept up at all auto

2002 chevy 2500hd ext cab white plain(service truck) gas burner we had put some new hoses in it thats about it just tripped 300k last i drove it auto

1998 chevy Z71 has 376,000 we put a new crate engine in it at 325

1999 F-150 gas burner plain v8 has 358000 on it no problems at all auto

2006 f-250 diesel crew cab has 30,000 we got it in december i believe im right auto

2004 or 05 heritage ed f-150 v6 94000 no problems auto

personal trucks


2001 Dodge cummins ext cab HO ed 6 speed in the floor 128,000 had to put a new clutch in it thats it

2002 f-350 dually diesel 55k auto no problems

keep in mind most of these trucks are highway miles so its alot easier on them out of all of them the cummins is the strongest but the f250 06s are not far behind it ford has beefed up their trucks with the 6.0 although i like the noise out of the dodge and the older fords we had more chevys but they started falling apart on us so we traded them on fords(fix or repair daily) but luckily for us we have only spent two or three days out of 5 years fixing them so most of the trucks are good just depends on what you want and if you like the engine and looks of the truck better

[DieselBoy]

personally, right now, i think the cummins has the long end of the stick. they've ALWAYS built a great engine, and they are so well known for their reliability and durability. i wonder how the new rams will hold up though.

[oldskoolex400]

i dont know to be honest personally i dont like them too quiet the dude at the ford dealership was trying to tell me that the 6.0 stroke runs smoother than the cummins bunch of BS if you ask me but i prefer the old 01s pretty good i shopped around awhile before i picked out my cummins

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by oldskoolex400
i dont know to be honest personally i dont like them too quiet the dude at the ford dealership was trying to tell me that the 6.0 stroke runs smoother than the cummins bunch of BS if you ask me but i prefer the old 01s pretty good i shopped around awhile before i picked out my cummins

yeah, the old cummins sounds awesome, and they are alot more simple (no fancy EGR systems) and they are cheap as frig for parts.

the guy down the street gets a new cummins every year, and he tows a 40' 5th wheel, it pulls quite well.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by Pro400EXC
too bad the express nevr came w/ a duramax until 06...

News flash dinkwad, the first generation of duramax was built in 2001.

[oldskoolex400]

talk about a terrible diesel before the duramax not 100 percent sure on the name of it but it was sorry as h3ll i believe it was a chevy 350 gas converted slap some high comp pistons and a few other things in it not sure tho we had a bucket truck to hook some stuff up for a few months drive it a day and it breaks down for a week we sold it as soon as we got done with the job

yea i wish we could trade trucks every year we drive em til they die tho or have somn serious wrong with them

ive thought about putting a banks turbo kit on it but idk you mess with some of the exhausts ive heard and it starts to sound like a gas burner(no offense but i like the diesel sound) which kills the reason i bought the 01...the sound haha jp

[DieselBoy]

any pics of your cummins?

[oldskoolex400]

yea ill try and get some up this week of it. its light blue(they dont make it anymore) they put the darker blue instead of that blue i like the old better once again its got custom pinstriping ARE bed cover husky floor mats its the sport ed. i havent seen any other like mine in a diesel. i had a 97 4.6l ford before that i traded in on it nice truck pretty fast but 47k on it i heard later the tranny went out had a chip, k&n, 4 inch duals straight pipe out behind the rear wheels, bed cover sounded mean when you passed somebody on a d@mn cell phone with their windows down ha

[Pro400EXC]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
News flash dinkwad, the first generation of duramax was built in 2001.



no shyt you think?

Listen you asshat...

You no nothing...

Just because the duramax came out in 2001 doesn't nessesarly meant it was offered in the Express you dipshyt...so shut your mouth before i take you to school.

"INDIANAPOLIS, March 2, 2005; General Motors announced today the availability of the Duramax 6600 turbodiesel engine in the 2006 Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana G2500 and G3500 series commercial models. This sophisticated diesel engine offers more horsepower and torque than the primary competitor, as well as a quieter driving experience and better projected fuel economy."

Ding Ding Ding....that was pulled from..http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/03/02/002739.html


And anyone who gets a older 6.5 turbo diesel chevy mixed up w/ the Duramax obviously doesn't know shyt. You can clearly tell which is which by listening to the engines. You don't even need to see it. (hell I'll tell you which engine is in which truck just by listening to them..but wait..i don't know anything"




Also the duramax isn't proven????What did I just say???I have 300K miles on mine w/ no problems...300 T-H-O-U-S-A-N-D

I also know of at least 5 or 6 more w/ 300K...and I know of a few w/ over 450K...

So once again..grab your head and take it out of your ***..You continuesly come on here and blab your punk mouth off but yet you know nothing

Also the old Chevy converted gas engine crap...give it a break..its OLD NEWS....besides that engine was bassed more upon economy than pure diesel pulling power..

Also diesel's being used in racing aplications.....Ummm last time i check off shore racing powerboats have used diesel's as powerplants for years. Also umm...tractor pulling machines...

Diesel's arn't just for towing your toys anymore..they have the ability to Go off road,haul your toys,take the family out, run 11's in the 1/4,make hudges amounts of hp/tq for little money on stock internals,haul junk in the bed and so on.....sounds pretty handy to me..

[angry450r]

you tell em pro400 cause diesels are the new craze PERIOD. towing, work,dragracing,mudding,even lil sportscars are starting to get them. and this guy wh o keeps talking crap about diesels and the duramax isnt to bright." they have no rpm and arent for racing theyre just meant for work"?? what an idiot the technology is there plain and simple big torque big horsepower for way cheaper than any gasser. use it for whatever the freek you want to. thats what its for!! diesels are for work only?? what a stroke. oh and for the high an mighty cummins ,well it is a great motor to bad the truck is a piece of crap everybody I know that has had one or know people that have them know that everything goes wrong with them the worst electrical sysem EVER!! from wiper problems,shorted radios. power windows not working ac always broken. I can keep going bugs,bugs,bugs! oh and to bad there trans SUCK!! you think after having a diesel in the truck this long crappy arse dodge would figure it out...nope cause they suck. so bring on the cummins and the powerCHOKE and Ill beat it in every catergory and then we will chain them up and I will drag your hunk of junk alll the way down the street with my MAX!

[milehigh450r]

That's funny, our Dodge is holding together just perfect, and the road we take it on to go riding is full of ruts, bumps, and washboards.

BTW, we know a guy who owned 2 duramax's, key word ownED, guess what he drives now. I asked him what he thought, he said the duramax is faster stock, but the dodge has a much better low end.

If you are gonna have a tug of war with a dodge, your truck better gain a lot of weight real quick, you are down about 1000 pounds.

[milehigh450r]

Originally posted by angry450r
we will chain them up and I will drag your hunk of junk alll the way down the street with my MAX!

Just like this thread huh?
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154558&highlight=duramax+tug+of+war

And don't tell me you have added power to your DM, that will just help you spin the tires faster.

[oldskoolex400]

idk if your talkin to me or not i didnt get it mixed up with the max the older diesel completely sucked and the new came along a little but hey i wonder why ford and chevy keep changing their engines and dodges stays the same why change something that is the best out there? and by the way i have a powerstroke

[Pro400EXC]

Tug Of War proves NOTHING...

it proves who has more traction and weight.

Also the Dodge has 1k more Lbs to it? Umm last time i check the Fords,GM's and Dodge were all around 7K lbs...

And Yes the CUMMINS is a good engine...but its giving all these Dodge guys a BIG head...I swear every dodge owner w/ a Hemi or Cumins think they reign supreme..No offense Oldskool....

But Yes inline diesel's are good and dandy...but look back at the old Detroit v8 2stks....they turn out alot of power...there'es even a few drag semi's and racing semi's w/ those engines....

Face it the Duramax is proving itself and I don't care what your friend ownED...Let him sell it...i don;t care you will not change my opinion on the truck that i have had ZERO problems w/ or the thousands of other owners I've taljked to that had no problems..

Dieselplace.com has over 10k memeber..and truthfully the complaints are there but not that big

[oldskoolex400]

yea the dodges are heavier they are not good for mudding i talked to people before buying my dodge they said it was the best on-road truck but if i decide to take it offroad it is too heavy personally the chevys are overpriced if you ask me they are at least 5k more than the other brands with the same options idk tho all of them are pretty good though

[angry450r]

well this is no b.s I am leaving work in 1 hour to pick up my friend from the dodge dealer his dually cummins BUGGED OUT AGAIN. he has power mirrors and went to turn the knb to set the passenger side. and then it happened the dash lights went out the radio is dead neither mirror will work and he has no brake lights. all the fuses are fine under the hood and under the dash. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL DODGE PROBLEMS. I hear this crap all the time. and cause you all think Im bashing that I m bullcrapping but I am not. I will report on this how much its gonna cost him. like I said great motor but the truck is so damn shakey like all dodges. dont even get me started on the lil dakota's 4 friends had them 3 needed trans's under 25k I know another guy with a 1500 hemi 35k new trans(already)and its the shop right now cause its barely running and blowing black smoke. So I speak from experiance ya there guys out there chevy rules ford/dodge suck well I base mine from fact and my dmax just keeps on mowing. So thats that

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by angry450r
well this is no b.s I am leaving work in 1 hour to pick up my friend from the dodge dealer his dually cummins BUGGED OUT AGAIN. he has power mirrors and went to turn the knb to set the passenger side. and then it happened the dash lights went out the radio is dead neither mirror will work and he has no brake lights. all the fuses are fine under the hood and under the dash. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL DODGE PROBLEMS. I hear this crap all the time. and cause you all think Im bashing that I m bullcrapping but I am not. I will report on this how much its gonna cost him. like I said great motor but the truck is so damn shakey like all dodges. dont even get me started on the lil dakota's 4 friends had them 3 needed trans's under 25k I know another guy with a 1500 hemi 35k new trans(already)and its the shop right now cause its barely running and blowing black smoke. So I speak from experiance ya there guys out there chevy rules ford/dodge suck well I base mine from fact and my dmax just keeps on mowing. So thats that

Interesting thing about Dodge and their tranny problems .... everyone speaks about how bad the Dodge transmissions are , but I know many people that have Dodge trucks and have never had any tranny or engine problems .

My dad owns a '94 Dodge Ram 1500 with 340 000 KMs on it , which works out to 211 266 miles ... all of which have been pretty hard miles . He uses the truck to go up to the cottage , run through the mud , pull a boat and used it for years to tow our drag car . Yet not a single problem with the engine or transmission . The only thing he's changed in the last 12 years has been 1 alternator and the front wheel bearings ( they're a sealed unit so you can't grease them) . The body is going to rust out before the rest of the truck fails .

Before that , he owned an 85 Dodge Ram . Bought brand new and ran it up until he bought the '94 . That truck had over 350 000 KMs when we gave it away to my uncle . He used it in the bush for his logging company and the guys put on another 100 000 KMs all HARD kilometers . Again , the truck ran fine , not a single problem . The scrapped the truck because the body was rusted out , plus someone ran into it with a log skidder . Not bad for a truck with nearly 280 000 miles .

Guess what kind of truck my dad is buying this fall ??

I guess it's true that some people have good luck with certain makes and models and some don't . Some people are brand loyal , some people give other vehicles a try . It's all about personal preferances .

[oldskoolex400]

angry450r if you say ford and dodge suck so much then why do my fords hold up so well, also my dodge has held up great, the two chevys we have held up great also so everybody needs to shut up about something being better than the other each company has bugs some bigger than others and i have been very lucky and bout trucks that havent had any problems

[oldskoolex400]

also the dodges with tranny problems are probably automatic

[DieselBoy]

Duh, ofcourse the duramax 6.6 came out in 2006 for GM's truck lineup, since it was released in 2006. Prior to that they had the earlier generation of Duramaxes. If you're going to sit there and tell me diesels are built to race, ROBBLE!!! And, for the guy who said the low rpms is bull****, I suggest you haul your *** down to a dealer and climb into one and look at the RPM range. Also, jump in a rig. Most rigs are governed for about 2500RPM max. My truck redlines at just above 3K. This redline basically means f-ck off or your ****s going to start flying apart. And, truthfully I've never had it up past 3K, however if I dragged it I wouldn't doubt a second that it would climb over that. They're known for torque, not horsepower. Torque is what you NEED when your towing, horsepower is just horsepower. A little Lexus produces much morse horsepower than these, so again, why? The 6.0L powerstroke/6.6L Duramax/600 Cummins are much peppier than they were a couple years ago. They're meant for soccer moms and a general more normalized situation as more and more people buy them for everyday drivers. Telling what a 6.6L and a 6.5L sound like, too me, I wouldn't even notice. They both sound so similar. I think GM's got an ok engine now, but not in the past. I don't like the GM product. My moms GMC Jimmy is a heap, too. Coolant is leaking into the combustion chamber, and now we need a new vehicle. My sister's chevy cavalier sounded like a tractor, and it always broke down, she soon got rid of it and forgot she ever bought it. What a heap. Experience over experience with them has steered me clear of them, and my family/boss too. Also, the GM's hate being loaded. They struggle so bad from my experiences...

I would be happier if ford just dropped the V8 concept and adopted the I6 design.

[Pro400EXC]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
Duh, ofcourse the duramax 6.6 came out in 2006 for GM's truck lineup, since it was released in 2006. Prior to that they had the earlier generation of Duramaxes. If you're going to sit there and tell me diesels are built to race, ROBBLE!!! Also, the GM's hate being loaded. They struggle so bad from my experiences...



Ok I just read that....That has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Listen..get the cock outta your ears..I told you..

The Express/Savannah van did not get the Duramax until 2006.

The Duramax name has only been around since 2001. The 3/4-1ton trucks have used it since then

There are 3 versions..LB7 (01-04.5)LLy(04.5-06) LBZ(06+)

Also diesel's arn't built to race?OHH yah thats right because the Audi TDI didn't just win Lemans or Sebring..but thats right you know everything dumbass

Or how about Banks new Sidewinder Duramax road course truck..Or the countless other Diesel Drag vehicle..and most are on stock internals...

Also GM's hate to be loaded? WTF have I told you countless of times.

Maybe the GM's YOU'VE had expirence w/ can't take it..so quit saying GM this and GM that asshat.




I'll say it one more time..maybe you'll comprehend.. Just because you or another guy had a bad expirence w/ GM doesn't make them all junk so STFU.

So don't come on here claiming they can't take a load just because you think that..Thats your opionions..not facts

[Pro400EXC]

Also w/ my EFI Live program I've taken my rev limiter from 3250 to 3500 and its ben A.O.K since then..the full roller valvetrain has not had a problem ion all the 300K miles I've dog'd the shyt outta my truck

[nosliw]

guys have dmaxs spinning way faster than 3500rpm and they are fine.

all this "diesels SHOULD be...." is getting really old. get off your soapbox adolph.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by nosliw
guys have dmaxs spinning way faster than 3500rpm and they are fine.

all this "diesels SHOULD be...." is getting really old. get off your soapbox adolph.

is it?
hell, why not spin it up to 5000? you won't blow a thing. the motor is literally, speedproof.

[nosliw]

no, but it's a relatively short stroke big bore V8.

i don't see your point?

diesels are cool because they can do it ALL. they can drag race, they can sledpull, they can tow, and they can outlast everything else out on the road.

why do you have to get all up in arms about it?

[oldskoolex400]

my cummins reds at 3500 goes up to 4 and my ford reds at 4k goes up to 45 not sure about the other ones

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by Pro400EXC



The Express/Savannah van did not get the Duramax until 2006.

whatever it had, it was a pile.




The Duramax name has only been around since 2001. The 3/4-1ton trucks have used it since then

- Even if their cargo's didn't have the duracrap, it was still their diesel engine in the express.



Also diesel's arn't built to race?OHH yah thats right because the Audi TDI didn't just win Lemans or Sebring..but thats right you know everything dumbass

- Yes, I'm a firm believer they were not manufactured to race, though, you can.

[nosliw]

funny you should say 5K, cause i think i've heard from some of the top dragging guys that that is what the motor's internals are good for.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by nosliw
funny you should say 5K, cause i think i've heard from some of the top dragging guys that that is what the motor's internals are good for.

Hell, take 'er up to 10K then!

[nosliw]

before you say there weren't designed to race and do highspeed running, take a look at the TDI in the VW's. look how it was engineered.

[nosliw]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
Hell, take 'er up to 10K then!

then maybe i'll bend all 8 rods and end up with the power of a ford!

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by nosliw
before you say there weren't designed to race and do highspeed running, take a look at the TDI in the VW's. look how it was engineered.

Guy....That's a little car engine, we're talking about a pickup. They're built alot differently. They probably have alot more broad RPM range, allowing for this....

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by nosliw
then maybe i'll bend all 8 rods and end up with the power of a ford!

C'mon, it's a drag truck, it won't hurt it!

[nosliw]

Originally posted by DieselBoy
Guy....That's a little car engine, we're talking about a pickup. They're built alot differently. They probably have alot more broad RPM range, allowing for this....

pro400 just said that the audi TDI accomplished what it did, and you countered that with 'it wasn't designed to'

[DieselBoy]

It's right in the ad!

Duramax 6600 Features:

- Specially designed to be dragged
-Allowable 5000RPM range (with tuner modfications)

[nosliw]

Also diesel's arn't built to race?OHH yah thats right because the Audi TDI didn't just win Lemans or Sebring..but thats right you know everything dumbass

- Yes, I'm a firm believer they were not manufactured to race, though, you can.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by nosliw
Also diesel's arn't built to race?OHH yah thats right because the Audi TDI didn't just win Lemans or Sebring..but thats right you know everything dumbass

- Yes, I'm a firm believer they were not manufactured to race, though, you can.

Well, it's true, isn't it?

[nosliw]

butwhatever dude, it's turned from a halfway civil arguement to an all out childish hissyfest

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by nosliw
butwhatever dude, it's turned from a halfway civil arguement to an all out childish hissyfest

Uh huh....

[Pro400EXC]

Diesel Boy....


You better catch the bus...cause your goin to school mo fugger



But you won't learn anything because you don't seem to listen..

And whats w/ the duracrap remarks?are you like 5? Powerchoke,powersmoke,powerjoke,etcwhooo look at me..

Besiudes...the Duracrap has done nothing but left the Powerstroke in the dust.

The quickest Powerstroke to this day is a gutted reg. cab short bed(the frame was shortened..because you cannot buy a reg. cab shortbed diesel)

And that truck is running 11's...OK...Now there are Crew Cab Duramax's running 11's..thats full interior..everything...

Also in tractor pulls the powerstroke cannot compete againts the Cummins nor the Duracrap....so where does that leave your Holy Grail Powerstroke?

DieselBoy please do soem reaserch before you shoot your mouth off anymore....

And I am sure if we were face to face you wouldn't have much to say.

[oldskoolex400]

you strip the truck no use in putting it on the road not a fair match to a on road truck then like putting a concept viper against a srt-10 comp coupe

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by Pro400EXC
Diesel Boy....


You better catch the bus...cause your goin to school mo fugger



But you won't learn anything because you don't seem to listen..

And whats w/ the duracrap remarks?are you like 5? Powerchoke,powersmoke,powerjoke,etcwhooo look at me..

Besiudes...the Duracrap has done nothing but left the Powerstroke in the dust.

The quickest Powerstroke to this day is a gutted reg. cab short bed(the frame was shortened..because you cannot buy a reg. cab shortbed diesel)

And that truck is running 11's...OK...Now there are Crew Cab Duramax's running 11's..thats full interior..everything...

Also in tractor pulls the powerstroke cannot compete againts the Cummins nor the Duracrap....so where does that leave your Holy Grail Powerstroke?

DieselBoy please do soem reaserch before you shoot your mouth off anymore....

And I am sure if we were face to face you wouldn't have much to say.

Robble.

[nosliw]

just plugging your ears and repeating "la la la la la la la i'm not listening la la la la"

[DieselBoy]

So apparently I'm dumb because I drove the GM products and I'm so full of **** with their capabilities, their reputatiion, the fact that GM released their duramax in 2001, That they're not manufactured to race, because they're a working engine, because GM's history with diesel powered pickups has been a dark and rough one, Cause Pro400EXC says so, cause they have a low RPM range, cause they're apparently the choice of sledpulls (COUGH), cause I don't think they're the superior engine to the other competitors, what else? :rolleyes:

LOL, well, this is real interesting.

[angry450r]

diesel boy you keep saying "low rpm" who gives a crap? what the hell does that mean do you think the only way to make big hoesrpower is to rev it to the moon ??/ well you are stupid! horsepower is horsepower torque is torque no matter what rpm it is at. thats irrelavent. I would rather make 400+ hp at 3500 rpm than 7500 any day. and torque well my lame diesel "work engine" will snap your neck off the line like a vette. So this isnt gonna go anywhere your stupid. all your comments are dumb so just go away. just cause you had an old 6.5 that ran like crap dont gotta dog all the new ones cuase they DOMINATE. work truck this and work truck that. my truck flys, can tow a freakin house down the street, leave most people at any stop light in amazement and get great fuel mileage and go offroading threw some good mud. man my duramax just sucks.......YOUR'E A FOOL

[oldskoolex400]

why do you say dominate all in all they are all strong

[nosliw]

this thread needs to die

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by angry450r
diesel boy you keep saying "low rpm" who gives a crap? what the hell does that mean do you think the only way to make big hoesrpower is to rev it to the moon ??/ well you are stupid! horsepower is horsepower torque is torque no matter what rpm it is at. thats irrelavent. I would rather make 400+ hp at 3500 rpm than 7500 any day. and torque well my lame diesel "work engine" will snap your neck off the line like a vette. So this isnt gonna go anywhere your stupid. all your comments are dumb so just go away. just cause you had an old 6.5 that ran like crap dont gotta dog all the new ones cuase they DOMINATE. work truck this and work truck that. my truck flys, can tow a freakin house down the street, leave most people at any stop light in amazement and get great fuel mileage and go offroading threw some good mud. man my duramax just sucks.......YOUR'E A FOOL

Listen sunshine...

The reason I'm ranting about Low RPM, is because these engines produce their peak torque in the lower RPM range. So, by increasing your RPMs you're not actually gaining any at all. The reason for this is for loaded applications, hence the reason I point out the "working engine" factor.


horsepower is horsepower torque is torque no matter what rpm it is at.

That's SO totally FALSE.

And if you really truly believe I'm that stupid, you're one of the many people who judge a book by it's cover. You know nothing about me. Just because I don't know the entire history of the Duramax engine, does not mean I'm stupid. I'm a ford/dodge man, however I've had seat time in the "older" GM diesels. Don't let my opinions get your arse sweating.

I'm also a firm believer that the inline six is far superior to ANY V8 diesel engine, and as far as torque numbers I think that the cummins leads everything (with SIMPLE mods), they're easy to get tons of power out of, last forever, and they are tough as nails. Performance, to many, is only one side of the box. I would never buy a truck cause it had "this much torque", I would look at the overall reliability, and longetivity.

I really don't understand why I've had my head bit off by the guys in this thread, it's downright childish. It's simply an engine, and I have my opinions as you do yours.

[Pro400EXC]

well that LOW RPM torque is what makes them so quick at the dragstrip....

Why do you think its hards to get a diesel top hook?Because they make there torque right off idle..but that isn;t stoping guys from clicking off 8sec 1/4's

[angry450r]

well since I m sunshine well just give you your new name.

So I said horsepower is horsepower torque is torque.
and you say that is false ????? how about this BOX O' ROCKS what is horsepower ice cream? and toque is .... a kitchen table? WTF are you talking about saying thats a false statement? it doesnt matter what rpm your at its still there just a different levels.BOX O'ROCKS(your new name incase your confused) Im not saying you need to rev it to 7500 if you could read. Im am defending the fact it is all bottom end.. torque anyway. now the horsepower, well when my truck is in 6th gear above 2400 rpm on the highway Ill tell you this not many vehicles can get past my truck from an 70 mph punch. and I have bad turbo lag being a stick. So no its no top speed king Im not saying that at all before you jump all over me but horspower is what gives you top end .the toque helps.either way BOX O'ROCKS you have your opinon I have mine but 99.9% of mine is based on fact. So back to what I said HORSEPOWER is HORSEPOWER TORQUE is TORQUE and because your a lil slooooooow all engines make power at diff rpm depending on what its made for. So my statement isnt false by any means. you just dont understand things to well. if you would like I can teach you about engines, horsepower, torque things of that nature for a small fee of ........ 100.00 an hour we'll do an online course so people can help you read it/ comprehend it and at the end youll be a lil smarter. HAVE A NICE DAY!

[milehigh450r]

Angry450r, You have a 6 spd Duramax? Don't see those everyday. Our friend tried finding one in CO once, had to drive like 80 mi. from Denver just to find one.

[angry450r]

ya i wasnt even lookinf for one just found it at the dealer. and yes they are ver rare if its an extended cb or a quad cab you can find them in a dually buy mine is just the extended cab I was told its like 1 out of 10 in northern in illinois not that its a collector or anything but ya they're rare.

[DieselBoy]

Originally posted by angry450r
well since I m sunshine well just give you your new name.

So I said horsepower is horsepower torque is torque.
and you say that is false ????? how about this BOX O' ROCKS what is horsepower ice cream? and toque is .... a kitchen table? WTF are you talking about saying thats a false statement? it doesnt matter what rpm your at its still there just a different levels.BOX O'ROCKS(your new name incase your confused) Im not saying you need to rev it to 7500 if you could read. Im am defending the fact it is all bottom end.. torque anyway. now the horsepower, well when my truck is in 6th gear above 2400 rpm on the highway Ill tell you this not many vehicles can get past my truck from an 70 mph punch. and I have bad turbo lag being a stick. So no its no top speed king Im not saying that at all before you jump all over me but horspower is what gives you top end .the toque helps.either way BOX O'ROCKS you have your opinon I have mine but 99.9% of mine is based on fact. So back to what I said HORSEPOWER is HORSEPOWER TORQUE is TORQUE and because your a lil slooooooow all engines make power at diff rpm depending on what its made for. So my statement isnt false by any means. you just dont understand things to well. if you would like I can teach you about engines, horsepower, torque things of that nature for a small fee of ........ 100.00 an hour we'll do an online course so people can help you read it/ comprehend it and at the end youll be a lil smarter. HAVE A NICE DAY!

you made absoloutely no sense in that post.




horsepower is horsepower torque is torque no matter what rpm it is at.

FALSE.

[bulkdriverlp]

i dont know why diesels are the big thing now, but the 5.4 triton will tow a 12k fifth wheel camper like its not even back there. im willing to bet that 80% of the people who own diesels dont NEED them, they just want to be cool

[DieselBoy]

well... my reason for having one is because i tow cars/trucks/skidsteers/tractors/travel trailers, etc and I actually used to tow with a 96 F-150, but I found it struggling way way too much, and I almost completely lost control the one time in winter on the 401, after that I knew I needed something bigger, stronger, and heavier. But there's plenty of people around here who own them and they certainly don't tow, they seem to buy them because they just want one. I would settle for a new F-150 now, but I have this truck now and I'm not getting rid of it cause it wouldn't be worth my while. If I ever needed to sell, I would get alot more for my truck than I would for a gasser, thank god.

Got any pics of your fords?

[milehigh450r]

Originally posted by bulkdriverlp
i dont know why diesels are the big thing now, but the 5.4 triton will tow a 12k fifth wheel camper like its not even back there. im willing to bet that 80% of the people who own diesels dont NEED them, they just want to be cool

Dude, until you've towed with a diesel, ANY kind of diesel, and espescially with a modified diesel, then you will truly know the meaning of torque. Any diesel truck can and will work a gas engine into the ground.

That and being able to keep up with a corvette in a 7000 pound truck, let's see a 5.4 do that.

[DieselBoy]

oh yeah, if you tow with a gasser, then tow with a diesel you will be blown away by the difference.

i like diesel exhaust


emmmm diesel exhuast :p

[nosliw]

i usually work on mine and my buddies rigs and smell like diesel from head to toe when doing it. i love the smell now.

this weekend i got some gasoline from my quad on me and was like WTF EWWW WHAT IS THIS? before i realized it was just gas. amazing the difference in smell if you're accustom to one.