ATVsport LTR & Old 330R Test

[rooster300ex]

The newest atvsport mag has at shoot out between the new ltr, and an old 330r a the dunes. I was reading along and it said something about if a wiesco piston gets hot one time you lose 4 or 5 horsepower. When i read that that made me think about not getting a wiesco next time i rebuild. What kind of **** is that? I'm getting a JE piston next time around.

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by rooster300ex
The newest atvsport mag has a shoot out between the new ltr, and an old 330r a the dunes. I was reading along and it said something about if a wiesco piston gets hot one time you lose 4 or 5 horsepower. When i read that that made me think about not getting a wiesco next time i rebuild. What kind of **** is that? I'm getting a JE piston next time around.

I doubt it has to do with the brand of piston, almost all pistons are made with the same material now, so if it applied to wisecos it would apply to JE's. Every four-stroke engine loses power with heat, its common sense.

[rooster300ex]

Man that sucks to know that.

[Iliketogofast]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
I doubt it has to do with the brand of piston, almost all pistons are made with the same material now, so if it applied to wisecos it would apply to JE's. Every four-stroke engine loses power with heat, its common sense.

You took the words right out of my mouth. All of them are made out of the same stuff, which means they all have the same characteristics under heat.

[gimp419]

I read that article too and I call BS on the 200 yard drag race between the 330 and the LTR. Come on the LTR by 7 bike lengths, that must be one sick 330. Sorry guys but I don't buy that one. If you've never ridden a big bore R you won't have a clue what I'm talking about! And they say the 330 only puts out 52 horse, I guess don't buy a CT for you R lol!

[400exrules]

Originally posted by rooster300ex
Man that sucks to know that.

dude, its ok....its not a permanent power loss lol......you just have to let the engine cool back down if it gets too hot and everything will be all good

[rooster300ex]

Does it permently make the quad have less horsepower or is it just when the motor is running hot. i've been told by alot of people i worry about my engine to much.

[†2005 400ex†]

which magazine was it ?i want to pick one up

[fireburns99]

7 lengths, i call BS on that. My stock bore R puts out nearly 50 horses, and will hang with any of the new quads in 200 yards. A 330 would spank the ltr all day long. Look at the advertisement in the magazine, i bet you'll see suzuki adds....:rolleyes:

[250r4life]

whoa whoa whoa...

where is this?

they are saying that a stock ltr 450 beats a 330r by 7 bike lengths in a 200 yard drag? youre kidding me...

did the 330r have to stay in 3rd gear?

[250r4life]

ps... and every machine loses power with heat... that is normal...

[gimp419]

It's in the new issue of ATVsport. They have the baffle and airbox off the LTR with the cherry bomb installed. In stock form the 330R won by 3 bike lengths, but with the magic cherry bomb the LTR Spanks the 330. I'm sure the LTR runs good but I'm tellin ya that 330 must be runnin with the choke on LOL! BS no way is all I can say about it. 200 yards is a long way too that is like 2 football fields plenty of room for both bikes to tap out in high gear. They must have not let either quad get out of 4th or something stupid. 52 horses on a 330 is just pitiful!

[GPracer2500]

I haven't read the entire article yet, but this is what the article actually says about the piston thing:

...Even though Teixeira had only about 10 hours on that motor, if Wiseco rings get really hot just once, you loose four or five horsepower...
I'm not sure what they're trying to say there. Are they saying that if you overheat an engine and smoke the rings than you'll loose compression and therefore HP?? Duh. Or is it something else? BTW, the ring comment was made by CT Racing's Allen Knowles.

Sounds to me like they were finding reasons as to why they "claim" the Suzuki was smoking the 330r. According to the article, the 330r weighs 328lb and has 52hp, while the LTR weighs 368lbs (mfg. claim) and makes 48hp. I suppose stranger things have happened, but how does the 330r loose in an uphill sand drag? Traction problem?

The bottom line is I don't trust ATV magazines any farther than I can throw them. The journalism sucks, details are lacking, and it's usually the same old crap over and over.

[250r4life]

Originally posted by GPracer2500


The bottom line is I don't trust ATV magazines any farther than I can throw them. The journalism sucks, details are lacking, and it's usually the same old crap over and over.

im with ya GP, although its not the best analogy in this instance as you could probably throw the magazine a good distance :D

[GPracer2500]

Originally posted by 250r4life
im with ya GP, although its not the best analogy in this instance as you could probably throw the magazine a good distance :D

True. I should have said I don't trust them any farther than I could drop one--from a seated position. :p

[250r4life]

Originally posted by GPracer2500
True. I should have said I don't trust them any farther than I could drop one--from a seated position. :p

:D

yah there is too much politics and economics that goes into these magazines... they are pretty much full os shiz

[†2005 400ex†]

agreed :D

[deathman53]

I very much disagree with that, I have a 310pv, cr igintion, cr reeds, pt hi-rev, 39 pwk on my atc250r and it really rips, it makes way more power than the 330 I had on it and in a straigt line it flat out embarrasses most if not all quads, the 330 did a similar thing too, but the 330 handled the stock swinger without question, while the 310pv nearly throws me off of a +1 swinger. The 330r should walk away from the ltr450, and 52 horses, are you kidding me. My 330 made more power than that and my 310pv makes about 55-60 horses. A well done 250r motor, yes even stock to 80 over, w/good porting, carb, reeds, and pipe will made about 45-50 horses. I don't trust these magazine shoot-outs, they favor the new bikes and really tune down and down play the 250r.

[bwamos]

I agree with the concensus here.

I really really like the LT-R450 and am a big fan of it.. but I'll call BS when I hear it.

There's no way a stock LT-R w/ airbox/cherry/baffle mod will beat a properly tuned 330r. Not even fathomable. Either they had the 330r jetted way too rich, or they handicapped it somehow. The 330r should smoke it in a 300ft drag let alone 900ft.

Ah, hah!!!! I bet they had the 330r geared for MX, so it was on the rev limit at 300ft, and the LT-R geared slightly higher crawled away from it in the last 600ft.... That's the only way it beat the 330 in a drag race.

[deathman53]

It took the banning of a 250r in pro class and a pro-production rule to stop the racing of 250r and 250r bases bikes. Can that tell you anymore???? If the 250r aftermarket frame and motor wasn't banned and pro-production wasn't there plus the big money and sponserships, many would still be racing 250r and 250r based hybrids. Its like the factories tried to stop the 250r racing, first 250r parts got discontinued, then the 250r motor and frame rule and then pro-production class did the end to the 250r in pro class. This was all so honda, yamaha, and susuki could have pro's racing their bikes and sell their NEW FANGLED 450's and get the new people not to think of a 250r as a series bike and instead for their 450's to be the bike of choice and 250r's being OLD and OUTDATED. But as many will tell you, the aftermarket and honda support of 250r parts kept atv racing going for many years, early 90's to 03. Now these magizines are doing biased shoot-outs of the new 450's verses 250r's, does the BS with the factories ever stop??????

[matt250r21]

I totally agree with you deathman. As far as I'm concerned there is only one R, and it is not a 450. They have certainly done everything they can to get rid of the bike that kept this sport alive. I'm not even interested in any of the mags anymore, four stroke everything, boring. As far as an LT beating the 330R, what a joke. Was the 330R running, or did they push it, what a bunch of B.S.

[XtremeChick]

What issue of ATV Sport is this article in?? I have the July/August issue....don't see anything about the 330R..??

[GPracer2500]

September 2006 issue of ATV Sport. Probably not on the magazine rack yet.

[X-tech]

I'm sure the -1 swing-arm didn't help with getting off the line either. A more top end pipe would probably have helped to instead of the low to mid pipe. I'm sure gearing was off too.

[bwamos]

Looked at a couple LT-R450 dynos.

The LT-R with increased rev limit can hit 80mph+

The trx330r probably hit it's rev limit around 70mph..

Thus the reason for the 900ft drag instead of your standard 300ft drag race. ;)

[250r4life]

Originally posted by deathman53
It took the banning of a 250r in pro class and a pro-production rule to stop the racing of 250r and 250r bases bikes. Can that tell you anymore???? If the 250r aftermarket frame and motor wasn't banned and pro-production wasn't there plus the big money and sponserships, many would still be racing 250r and 250r based hybrids. Its like the factories tried to stop the 250r racing, first 250r parts got discontinued, then the 250r motor and frame rule and then pro-production class did the end to the 250r in pro class. This was all so honda, yamaha, and susuki could have pro's racing their bikes and sell their NEW FANGLED 450's and get the new people not to think of a 250r as a series bike and instead for their 450's to be the bike of choice and 250r's being OLD and OUTDATED. But as many will tell you, the aftermarket and honda support of 250r parts kept atv racing going for many years, early 90's to 03. Now these magizines are doing biased shoot-outs of the new 450's verses 250r's, does the BS with the factories ever stop??????

a wise man

[Iliketogofast]

I doubt if they didn't ban the 250R in pro and pro-prod., there wouldn't be any such thing as the LT-R, 450R and YFZ.

[250r4life]

i would put my 265 up against any stock engined LTR any day of the week... well, that goes for any 450 period, but the suzuki has the slowest engine out of the 3 anyway...

[Iliketogofast]

Originally posted by 250r4life
i would put my 265 up against any stock engined LTR any day of the week... well, that goes for any 450 period, but the suzuki has the slowest engine out of the 3 anyway...

I can do it with my stock bore cylinder! I beat 3 or 4 pipe/filter/jet YFZ's and R's already! I even beat one with an Elka suspension (must have had nice engine mods, but maybe not)!

[250r4life]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
I can do it with my stock bore cylinder! I beat 3 or 4 pipe/filter/jet YFZ's and R's already! I even beat one with an Elka suspension (must have had nice engine mods, but maybe not)!

a correctly piped and jetted yfz with a good rider should be beating you... especially the 06...

[Iliketogofast]

Nope. Not even close. I guess my port job is something else, huh?

yea a decent built 250R would hand a 450 its ***, they make the 450s to be something amazing and their not, they r ok but cannot live up to the hype

[dunny_mark]

In the same test they ran a ktm hybrid 526 and that thing smoke the 330r, lt450 and a ds650. by like 10 quad lengths.. I wish ktm would come out with a quad already!!

[dunny_mark]

They say nothing but good things about the r in that issue--That was the choosen quad by all the test riders in the dunes!! And they say the R is for sale also.

[Latemodel32]

Originally posted by Honda86
yea a decent built 250R would hand a 450 its ***, they make the 450s to be something amazing and their not, they r ok but cannot live up to the hype

Well put....If Honda released a 2007 TRX 250R (Which they won't) they would say its the best Bottom line don't trust what you read and only half of what you see:D

[250r4life]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
Nope. Not even close. I guess my port job is something else, huh?

not even close huh? lol:devil:

[arego]

ed at teixeira tech even said the 330r was a last minute decision because the bike they were gonna use had some issues.
he also said they had no time to set the 330r up for sand and the -1 swingarm really hurt. give it a +2 swingarm fort the sand and say goodbye to the 450. what a crock of **** the magazine boasting how great the 450's are compared to a good ole 2 stroke R of any size.

[F-16Guy]

I rode Josh Frederick's R (310, if I remember right), and it was very fast. I have a hard time believing a relatively stock 450 (any brand) could even come close. It sucks when you realize that you can't get an unbiased test from anyone because some corporation has their checkbook open.:mad:

[esr250r86]

The magazine is just trying to fade everyone away to from the two strokes, and Is trying to tell everyone that four strokes are faster. Thats just a bunch of bs. Two stroke 250r's have so much potential and can be hopped up to beat any bike out there.:mad:

[dg26]

i will give you that a hopped up r is really fast but the main thing with a four-stroke is power in all parts of the powerband and not smoking your clutch every race is also a plus to the 4 stroke motor i would say that an r would beat my ltr in a drag-race but on a motocross track there would be no comparison it would be at least 7 bike lengths with a rider of comparable level

[Iliketogofast]

I raced an LT-R at the Badlands park the other day, along with several modded 450s that came to the park with him.

He beat me by about 2 lengths about 1/4 mile on pavement, twice in a row. It had a cherry bomb, airbox lid off and baffle out.


I might add that I smoked two more YFZ's and a 450R that day as well.
:D

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by dg26
i will give you that a hopped up r is really fast but the main thing with a four-stroke is power in all parts of the powerband and not smoking your clutch every race is also a plus to the 4 stroke motor i would say that an r would beat my ltr in a drag-race but on a motocross track there would be no comparison it would be at least 7 bike lengths with a rider of comparable level

You're joking right? The 250R was and will always be the King of Motocross.

[Iliketogofast]

^^^ From a guy with a 450, mind you. :D

[bradley300]

of course he has a 450, the manufactuerers are so afraid of the 250, they had it nearly banned unless you want to race an open class and never want to go pro.

my biggest issue with the 450's is this. they wanted to come in with NO competition to make sure they did well (thus, the pro production rule). instead of coming staight against the 250r's and proving thier worth

honestly tho, can you blame them?? if you made a brand new model of atv, would you want to come right out and put it up against ONE model thats had 15 YEARS of r&d from numerous companies, nit picking the smallest detail to sqeeze out every ounce of preformance? i wouldnt!

[2muchquad]

Yeah dont take to the heart anything you read in those magazines,they are all getting kickbacks in the form of cash or "test bikes" that they keep forever.The new 4 fiddys are good for trail riding with the kids but they wont excite my senses like a built 250 2 stroke on the pipe.A buddy of mine had a sparks 265 kit in his 250r along with thousands of dollars in stuff he really didnt need and to this day its still probably one of the fastest quads i have ever ridden.The other was a nearly 65hp banshee setup for drag.But i guess the ltr would have beat that by about 10 quad lengths.:rolleyes:

[arego]

Just an update..

I bought the 330 in this article. Ed put a stock length swinger back on it cause its mostly for sand and the bike rips.

I'll just say the 450s had trouble keepin up.

[rooster300ex]

Originally posted by arego
Just an update..

I bought the 330 in this article. Ed put a stock length swinger back on it cause its mostly for sand and the bike rips.

I'll just say the 450s had trouble keepin up.


I seen that it was for sale. If you don't mind me asking. How many of your legs and arms did ya have to pay for it to get it? j/k