Don't ride ATV's on road in NY

[NorCalRacer]

"I wouldn't have stopped for the trooper at all, IMO that is the only thing Horton did wrong." :rolleyes:

Spineless people run from cops, men stop and take their licks. If he had stopped he would not be dead, he ran and in the process endangered a trooper. How endangered? Who cares? The trooper was doing his job and the "marine" chose to endanger him by engaging in a criminal act, period. If that guy so much as ran over the cops toe I'm on the cops side, their job is hard enough without laying down guidelines measuring the "amount" of danger required before they can defend themselves.

Originally posted by NorCalRacer
"I wouldn't have stopped for the trooper at all, IMO that is the only thing Horton did wrong." :rolleyes:

Spineless people run from cops, men stop and take their licks. If he had stopped he would not be dead, he ran and in the process endangered a trooper. How endangered? Who cares? The trooper was doing his job and the "marine" chose to endanger him by engaging in a criminal act, period. If that guy so much as ran over the cops toe I'm on the cops side, their job is hard enough without laying down guidelines measuring the "amount" of danger required before they can defend themselves.

One question. Why would you grab onto a 4-wheeler about to take off, or standing so close to the 4-wheeler to get hooked by it? You can't convince me it was an accident if he was hooked by it. You'd have to be damn near ontop of it to get hooked by something meaning that he was up in the kids face. And being like any normal guy, he probably got mad and fleed thus ending the way it did. In my opinion now, it was neither's fault. Certain actions lead to certain ends and the kid and officer just happened to have a bad one.

[Toadz400]

I seriously can't believe I just wasted all that time reading all 7 pages of this bickering. I guess I just hoped that the next page wouldn't be the same as the last, but it was. Everyone just keeps repeating theirselves.

Why doesn't everyone just stop fighting back and forth about it and just wait until further news is given to us. And who cares about your stories about how you've been "abused" and "victimized" by a "bad cop". I could tell you a short story about how I was wrongfully pulled over (can't even call it being pulled over) but you know what? It has NOTHING to do with this thread or the purpose of this thread, you're just sharing this story to try and get attention and hopefully have someone feel sorry for you. GROW UP, take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming other people (oh God I'm starting to repeat others in this thread, it's already been said a thousand times...).

We don't know the facts in this case, none of us know if he was dragged or hanging on so just drop the whole "He should've let go" scenerio. It does suck that this man was killed, but in a way he brought it upon himself but there also seems that some wrong was done here. But once again, we don't know what happened so none of us have the right to criticize ANYTHING or ANYONE. We can all speculate what happened and call each other names and talk down on the police but it's not getting us anywhere. I've lost all respect for most of the people who probably bumped up their post count by 100 through fighting back and forth.

This is for the kid who brags about mouthing off to all the "bad" cops around his area.

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by jcv400ex
Chautauqua County District Attorney David Foley...

Any relation?

[LT80]

To shed some light::
That Ralph "bucky" Phillips was a bad mo-fo! Anybody and especially the police was in life threatening danger from him.
The authoritys suspected this poor soul to be bucky.I feel this is why things escalated.
After hearing all about bucky, you cannot blame the authoritys for being super cautious IMO.
With all the meth heads, crack heads, and bucky's out there, I wouldn't want their job. Thus the respect deserved.

Still no official word to my knowledge.

[Pappy]

so the guy that got shot had drugs on him:confused: sounds like the person that appears to know "bradley" and stated he "probably" had drugs on him just shed some light on this fellers history.


cops make mistakes on the job just like any other. i smashed the fridge at work with the forklift today and did not have to worry about a crackhead running me down or shooting me so i cant use workplace/enviroment stress as my excuse. maybe the fridge had some meth in it, atleast then I wouldnt feel as bad for crushing it:p


i am sure we will get the story soon, maybe the cop goes to jail, maybe he doesnt. but it sounds like there is more to it then whats been posted or reported in the news.

[450r51]

theres alot more to this story trust me!!!

my mother who is the judge of the town we live in, also a lawyer and was the former district attorney to our county, knows alot of troopers, and i mean alot of troopers, she's asked a tons of questions and everyone is very tight lipped about it.


what she did find out was that at least 50 new york state troopers made over $25,000 in over time looking for ralph "bucky" philips....:eek2: and guess who is all paying for that..... our tax dollars..... i wish i would have shot the ****er so i could the $500,000 reward!

[Metzroth]

"Bucky" was captured September 8th. Here is the article.
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=39219

[450r51]

umm yea i know thats old news boss!;)

[MOFO]

Originally posted by 450r51



what she did find out was that at least 50 new york state troopers made over $25,000 in over time looking for ralph "bucky" philips....:eek2: and guess who is all paying for that..... our tax dollars..... i wish i would have shot the ****er so i could the $500,000 reward!


I have a stupid question. What does this have to do with anything? Do you expect them to work for free? Yes its our tax dollars - WELL SPENT IMO!

[vet_ltz]

You will laugh your *** off at this.
I was in Bradford Pa.(close where they thought bucky was). I had to spend the night in a motel there due to work. All day at work everyone was talking about bucky shooting people. It was in the back of my mind when I went to sleep. At around four in the morning I had to pee. I rolled out of the bed half asleep and proceeded to walk to the restroom.I turned to walk in the door to the restroom, but in reality it was a full length mirror :rolleyes: needless to say there was a person (myself) walking straight at me:eek: . I reached out to grab them buy the throat and punch them in the face :macho Then I realized it was me LOL:D
I almost kicked my own ***.:ermm:

[Pappy]

LOL....


You should have seen how jumpy people were when the Beltway "Snipers" (I hate calling them snipers) were doing thier thing. My poor brother got stopped and drug out of his white box truck 2 or 3 times until they started marking the trucks they had already checked. I will admit, living through that was scary. Being in a civilian enviorment with out any way to protect yourself was not fun.

[vet_ltz]

Being in a civilian enviorment with out any way to protect yourself was not fun. [/B][/QUOTE]

Iam with ya brother.
It took me 45 minutes to fall back to sleep, not to mention almost peeing myself :o LOL

[450r51]

Originally posted by MOFO
I have a stupid question. What does this have to do with anything? Do you expect them to work for free? Yes its our tax dollars - WELL SPENT IMO!


im not saying it was a bad thing, and i think only new yorkers paid for it? not sure though, im just saying i wish i would have found him so i can get the reward.

[bwamos]

Originally posted by 450r51

what she did find out was that at least 50 new york state troopers made over $25,000 in over time looking for ralph "bucky" philips....:eek2:

Eek.. is right.. that's only about 15 hrs OT for 50 officers.. lol. I work that every week.. lol.

They had 50 officers working 55's instead of 40.

That's a lot for one man.. but not really excessive at all considering the situation. It's say they went a little light. But, they did catch them.

New York States population = 19,254,000.
$25,000 / 19,254,000 = $0.0013 per person.

It's too easy to throw things out of perspective when seeing the $ values of large corporations or the government.

Aka.. it cost you this much to catch bucky...

[LT80]

Official update..
Last night on the news they said the trooper did NOT think it was Bucky Phillips. All he knew is that a ATV was trying to get away. As the ATV passed the trooper he reached out at the ATV operator. As he did that, his belt got snagged on the ATV thus causing him to be dragged. This is when he decided to fire the fatal shot.

hrumph....

[450r51]

Originally posted by bwamos
Eek.. is right.. that's only about 15 hrs OT for 50 officers.. lol. I work that every week.. lol.

They had 50 officers working 55's instead of 40.

That's a lot for one man.. but not really excessive at all considering the situation. It's say they went a little light. But, they did catch them.

New York States population = 19,254,000.
$25,000 / 19,254,000 = $0.0013 per person.

It's too easy to throw things out of perspective when seeing the $ values of large corporations or the government.

Aka.. it cost you this much to catch bucky...


aka....not 50 troopers made a total of 25,000k in over time.

50 seperate troopers made 25k in over time each, many more made less then that.

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by LT80
Official update..
Last night on the news they said the trooper did NOT think it was Bucky Phillips. All he knew is that a ATV was trying to get away. As the ATV passed the trooper he reached out at the ATV operator. As he did that, his belt got snagged on the ATV thus causing him to be dragged. This is when he decided to fire the fatal shot.

hrumph....

I don't care if the officer thought it was Bucky, Charles Manson, or Sir Elton John. The officers opinion STILL doesn't make it acceptable for the ATV rider to take off and run from the law. This wasn't a case of mistaken identity, or police brutality. Each and every progression that eventually led to the driver's death was escalated by the driver himself. His fate is his own fault.

[LT80]

"This wasn't a case of mistaken identity, or police brutality".
Absolutely correct. It's a case of wrongfull death.
We all agree that the guy shouldn't have run, but seeins he did,,,,Does that make it right to murder him for riding on the road and running? I think not. Why did the officer reach out? Plain stupid IMO. I wonder if he reaches out for a car/truck when stopping them for speeding,etc. Again, I think not.

The guy run~~wrong
The cop firing a shot~~wrong

I respect all opinions and the above is mine.

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by LT80
"This wasn't a case of mistaken identity, or police brutality".
Absolutely correct. It's a case of wrongfull death.
We all agree that the guy shouldn't have run, but seeins he did,,,,Does that make it right to murder him for riding on the road and running? I think not. Why did the officer reach out? Plain stupid IMO. I wonder if he reaches out for a car/truck when stopping them for speeding,etc. Again, I think not.

The guy run~~wrong
The cop firing a shot~~wrong

I respect all opinions and the above is mine.

If a purse snatcher is running from a cop , should the cop not try and step in front of him in fear of getting knocked over ??

Any person in their right mind with nothing to hide would stop if a police officer tried to get them to stop . Do you think it was the cops intention to have his belt get hooked onto the quad and be dragged ?? I think not .

What should the cop have done while he was being dragged by this guy ?? Just wait it out while he's being dragged and hope that the driver stops ?? If that's how you think , you better give your head a shake .

Let's put it into a different scenario ... A guy with a knife walks into your home , grabs you by the hair and starts dragging you out of the house . You have a gun in your hand , What do you do ?? Obviously , in fear of your life , you would probably use that gun to your advantage , and not just hope that this guy is joking around and won't harm you . Did that make a bit of sense??

[700bRad]

About a month ago I was at a car show, sitting on one of my friends cooler. A cop came up to me and asked me how old I was, I told him 20. He grabbed my arm and pinned it behind my back while he took out my wallet. He dumped out my wallet and tackled me to the ground face first and handcuffed me. At the time I was still sitting on the cooler with my arms crossed. While he had me on the ground with his knee in my back he said "I knew you were going to run!" I was like :eek2: wtf! I was sitting on a cooler, with my arms crossed I showed no signs at all that I was going to run. He then proceeded to tell me I was going to jail for minor possesion (I had no beer in my hand) Me and my family tried to file a complaint, but the case investigator is def on the police mens side. He said that even if we win this case the Indianapolis excise police will not drop charges... The police man that took me down is a vetern of 30 years and is a Lt. He has alot of power, so I fighting it is going to be useless... When I talked to the case investigator he told me that the Lt. had put in his written statement that I gave him false identification and was sitting on a "keg" Our cooler looks like a keg on wheels, it has a little flip open door that you can put ice and beverages in. But still was I breaking the freaking law for sitting on a cooler? Im super pissed about the way I was treated! After all this happend a police officer from another unit that saw it happen came up to me and said "dude that was bull****."

Originally posted by 700bRad
About a month ago I was at a car show, sitting on one of my friends cooler. A cop came up to me and asked me how old I was, I told him 20. He grabbed my arm and pinned it behind my back while he took out my wallet. He dumped out my wallet and tackled me to the ground face first and handcuffed me. At the time I was still sitting on the cooler with my arms crossed. While he had me on the ground with his knee in my back he said "I knew you were going to run!" I was like :eek2: wtf! I was sitting on a cooler, with my arms crossed I showed no signs at all that I was going to run. He then proceeded to tell me I was going to jail for minor possesion (I had no beer in my hand) Me and my family tried to file a complaint, but the case investigator is def on the police mens side. He said that even if we win this case the Indianapolis excise police will not drop charges... The police man that took me down is a vetern of 30 years and is a Lt. He has alot of power, so I fighting it is going to be useless... When I talked to the case investigator he told me that the Lt. had put in his written statement that I gave him false identification and was sitting on a "keg" Our cooler looks like a keg on wheels, it has a little flip open door that you can put ice and beverages in. But still was I breaking the freaking law for sitting on a cooler? Im super pissed about the way I was treated! After all this happend a police officer from another unit that saw it happen came up to me and said "dude that was bull****."

Don't let anyone convince you that a cop can't change a person in higher authority's mind. Anything a cop says will be believed. Others can bash me if they wish, but I trust all cops until proven untrustworthy. And I've seen some pretty bad cops in my town.

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by 700bRad
After all this happend a police officer from another unit that saw it happen came up to me and said "dude that was bull****."

Then why not have that officer testify for you that you did nothing wrong?

[wilkin250r]

Originally posted by LT80
"This wasn't a case of mistaken identity, or police brutality".
Absolutely correct. It's a case of wrongfull death.
We all agree that the guy shouldn't have run, but seeins he did,,,,Does that make it right to murder him for riding on the road and running? I think not. Why did the officer reach out? Plain stupid IMO. I wonder if he reaches out for a car/truck when stopping them for speeding,etc. Again, I think not.

You are still looking at it like "He tried to run, so he killed him". That is NOT what happened.

He tried to run, so the officer tried to stop him. Was it stupid for the officer to reach for him? I suppose it wasn't really that smart, but I don't know as you could really call it "stupid". More like "unsafe". And you certainly couldn't call it police brutality at that point, the officer was simply trying to detain him.

But it was the DRIVER that decided to run, and now that the officer is caught, it was the DRIVER that is putting the officer's life in danger. The DRIVER always has the option to stop, and I don't believe for a second he didn't know the officer was there. But he didn't stop. He continued to drive. By doing so, he is putting the officer's life in danger.


There is a difference between a poor decision, and a REALLY BAD decision. The officer made a poor decision by reaching for the driver. The driver made a REALLY BAD decision by running, and then another REALLY BAD decision by continuing to run after the officer was caught. A difference in either one of those decisions, and he would be alive today. I can't really put the blame on the officer.

[LT80]

"But it was the DRIVER that decided to run, and now that the officer is caught, it was the DRIVER that is putting the officer's life in danger. The DRIVER always has the option to stop, and I don't believe for a second he didn't know the officer was there. But he didn't stop. He continued to drive. By doing so, he is putting the officer's life in danger.


There is a difference between a poor decision, and a REALLY BAD decision. The officer made a poor decision by reaching for the driver. The driver made a REALLY BAD decision by running, and then another REALLY BAD decision by continuing to run after the officer was caught. A difference in either one of those decisions, and he would be alive today. I can't really put the blame on the officer."

I believe we are close to the same thinking, you just explain it alot better.
Explaining it that way really did help an old fat man to understand better. :)