440ex with banshee pipes?

[xxnightraven73x]

well i got sick of looking at the white brothers e-series the other day so i ordered a set of banshee pipes that are going on as soon as they get here. go ahead and let me know what you think of this idea im sure itll work out fine but just wnted to see what you guys thought

[bwamos]

Ok, that made me giggle a little.. lol. ;)

[ohsobad_chevy]

This isn't April anymore bro! :D

[Trevor]

So your putting 2 stroke pipes on a 4 stroke!!!!!

YEAH ! Good Luck With That :p :p

[prp89]

you freakin retard you can't do that with a 440 ex it will run ****ty and look retarded plus it wont sound any better people will laugh... :huh :p :p

[ohsobad_chevy]

Originally posted by prp89
you freakin retard you can't do that with a 440 ex it will run ****ty and look retarded plus it wont sound any better people will laugh... :huh :p :p

Easy Bro....He knows that...It was just a joke... :rolleyes:

[prp89]

YEA i know i was kidding to.

[ohsobad_chevy]

Originally posted by prp89
YEA i know i was kidding to.

Right on....It was kinda hard to tell if you were serious or not.

[400exrules]

Originally posted by ohsobad_chevy
Right on....It was kinda hard to tell if you were serious or not.

he wasnt kidding, he just didnt want to look like an idiot

[250r4life]

Originally posted by 400exrules
he wasnt kidding, he just didnt want to look like an idiot

:devil:

[xxnightraven73x]

oh well guess we'll see how everything works out ive already stuffed the battery and all the electronics in the airbox.so im going to go with the idea of duals on it anyway all else fails ill get a better set.as for the fact that they are two stroke pipes it doesnt matter they are still baffled just the same and im only using the silencers not the expansion chamber. two 2 1/2 inch pipes will work just the same as one 4-5 inch pipe.but thanks anyway

[Trevor]

There all going to laugh at you! There all going to laugh at you LOL:)

[400exstud]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
. two 2 1/2 inch pipes will work just the same as one 4-5 inch pipe.but thanks anyway

No it won't. The area of a circle goes up expenontially. Remember pi-R-squared?

[rooster300ex]

:huh

[ohsobad_chevy]

Originally posted by rooster300ex
:huh

LOL. we know who didn't pay attention in school...:rolleyes:

[250r4life]

he can't possibly be serious...

you know what would be really cool, is if i made a 250r pipe out of bottles... i figure a 1 liter aquafina bottle would probably be about the right size for my exhaust flange, and then i could use a 3 liter coke bottle for my expansion chamber, and then bring it back down with another aquafina 1 liter, and then get one of those 20 oz aquafina bottles and stuff it full of packing for my silencer... :devil:

[DEVINF450R]

sounds like a water tool often used in college..HAHA AKA: a bong

[xxnightraven73x]

ok then how many of you have actually done anything like this appearently none since you all have opinions and no experiance on doing it.and all of you seem to be dogging me but atleast im tring something different rather than the same old thing that everyone has.it gets pretty lame that everyone is saying that its going to suck and yet noone else has even tried it.2 stroke pipes have even less restriction than a 4 stroke pipe so either way reduced back pressure= more power.some of you need to take automotive tech.

[2004exrider]

I think the main thing is two stroke silencers have a smaller opening in them, compared to an aftermarket pipe which has a 2" opening. Obviously the aftermarket 4 stroke pipes are gonna flow better then a two stroke silencers. They are also tuned for the motor its going on, theres a good chance it will feel a little different but a pipe thats designed for that is gonna make more power gains than a home made system. If your lookin for duals LTE makes them, but theyre around $700.

Jimmy

[400exstud]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
ok then how many of you have actually done anything like this appearently none since you all have opinions and no experiance on doing it.and all of you seem to be dogging me but atleast im tring something different rather than the same old thing that everyone has.it gets pretty lame that everyone is saying that its going to suck and yet noone else has even tried it.2 stroke pipes have even less restriction than a 4 stroke pipe so either way reduced back pressure= more power.some of you need to take automotive tech.

No sir, Two stroke pipes are more restrictive because they provide the necessary back pressure that two strokes require.

[250r4life]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
ok then how many of you have actually done anything like this appearently none since you all have opinions and no experiance on doing it.and all of you seem to be dogging me but atleast im tring something different rather than the same old thing that everyone has.it gets pretty lame that everyone is saying that its going to suck and yet noone else has even tried it.2 stroke pipes have even less restriction than a 4 stroke pipe so either way reduced back pressure= more power.some of you need to take automotive tech.

now im really laughing... its only too bad we will never hear the results if he actually does it... he wont fess up

[xxnightraven73x]

well ill just have to see how everything works out when they get here.im sure it'll be just fine but on the chance that im wrong.i will post if it does suck or not.i will post how it sounds and how it goes as compared to the e-series which i didnt like to begin with.well as soon as they're here they are going on so the answer will be on here soon i immagine.

[400exrules]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
well ill just have to see how everything works out when they get here.im sure it'll be just fine but on the chance that im wrong.i will post if it does suck or not.i will post how it sounds and how it goes as compared to the e-series which i didnt like to begin with.well as soon as they're here they are going on so the answer will be on here soon i immagine.

quit acting like you know everything. they wouldnt manufacture 4 stroke pipes the way they did, if 2 stroke pipes would work better on a 4 stroke:huh .....your an idiot...exhaust you buy has gone through countless tests to get the best power and performance.....exhaust manufactures are not just a bunch of retards who bend a pipe and put a name on it and sell it, they know what they're doing...and obviously know a hell of a lot more then you do

here's an idea, go make toast in the bathtub

[TheBlasterMan]

my friend ran a 2 stroke silencer on his xr 100 and it worked, some people dont know what they are talking about..........

[boricua]

guys i think he means to use JUST the silencer part. not the pipe that connects to the motor with expansion chambers, yada, yada....

i think the only difference IN THE SILENCER ONLY is the diameter of the opening. if on a 4 stroke, the opening is 2 inches...and on a 2 stroke its 1 inch......and he multiplies that by 2 ( 2 pipes, dual exhaust) why wouldnt it work? hes just gonna have to make the headers.

can anyone explain the difference in silencers between 2 and 4 stroke engines? without stating the obvious.

[boricua]

i just looked up whats involved repacking both silencers (2 and 4 strokes) both have an internal metal core, both have glass packing only the 4 strokes glass is a lot less dense. it did say that the size of the can around the packing plays a role in performance......with that said, xxnightraven73x, you might not like the results.....normally a 2 stroke canister is smaller than the 4 strokes and not by a whole lot, then youre doubling that by adding 2 pipes......

good luck, and let us know what you come up with.....

[400exstud]

Originally posted by boricua
guys i think he means to use JUST the silencer part. not the pipe that connects to the motor with expansion chambers, yada, yada....

i think the only difference IN THE SILENCER ONLY is the diameter of the opening. if on a 4 stroke, the opening is 2 inches...and on a 2 stroke its 1 inch......and he multiplies that by 2 ( 2 pipes, dual exhaust) why wouldnt it work? hes just gonna have to make the headers.

can anyone explain the difference in silencers between 2 and 4 stroke engines? without stating the obvious.

I REPEAT: two one inch openings does not equal one two inch opening. Go back to your sixth grade math and plug it in to pi-R-squared to see the difference in area.

[boricua]

those number were quick, easy numbers for simplicity reasons, relax.
:rolleyes:
i do know that if your pipe is 2", doubling it...meaning two 2" pipes wouldnt make more power....its too much air flow, not enough back pressure (we're talking about the 400ex here). so if he went down in tube size, say 1.5 or 1.75 or maybe a bit smaller, it might give him the back pressure need to run properly. again, the out canister is a vital part, changing its size will also affect performance. maybe he can take the area of the internal pipe and outter canister and build 2 new pipes according that will match closely to the area of the one pipe......

anyway, who cares man?!!! let him do what he wants, its his money......

I was at etown a while ago and there was a guy trying to rig up a two stroke pipe onto a 400ex. Actully now that I think about it. It had to of been a blaster with 400 plastics because the pipe was going the other way.

[ohsobad_chevy]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
ok then how many of you have actually done anything like this appearently none since you all have opinions and no experiance on doing it.and all of you seem to be dogging me but atleast im tring something different rather than the same old thing that everyone has.it gets pretty lame that everyone is saying that its going to suck and yet noone else has even tried it.2 stroke pipes have even less restriction than a 4 stroke pipe so either way reduced back pressure= more power.some of you need to take automotive tech.

Is this guy serious???? I think he's lost it........ :rolleyes: :eek:

[eganracing]

im curious to see how his quad sounds if he gets it to work.

[bansheexcracer2]

Hey I have done this. I put my banshee silecer on my LT230 and it sounded bad ***. I also took out all the packing so it was strait through. I think this will work. If it does i might do it when i get my ex.

[400exstud]

I can't believe what I am hearing. You've lost your marbles!

[xxnightraven73x]

well its done now. it sounds good and goes better than it did with the e-series on it.sounds soo aggressive its a really deep tone to it. it revs faster and has alot more pull to it now.heh heh hell i like it alot more than i did before.going to pull an all day ride with it saturday we'll see how it does but for now its killer ill never go back to a single pipe.this was definatly a good idea it woke it up alot more than i was expecting.

[EXevan91]

pics ? vids come on dude grab a camara we need pics atleast

[400exstud]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
well its done now. it sounds good and goes better than it did with the e-series on it.sounds soo aggressive its a really deep tone to it. it revs faster and has alot more pull to it now.heh heh hell i like it alot more than i did before.going to pull an all day ride with it saturday we'll see how it does but for now its killer ill never go back to a single pipe.this was definatly a good idea it woke it up alot more than i was expecting.

I am sorry but I call denial bull$hit. For one there is no way that it would sound deeper with two stroke pipes on.:o

[250r4life]

i agree... we need pics... i'm calling BS... of course it worked wonderfully... :devil:

[DEVINF450R]

UMMM YEAH, and I am guessing he made his own head pipes or at least his own mid-pipe to split it into duals. this ain't no v-8 f-150, the duals would not make it a deeper tone.

[DEVINF450R]

UMMM YEAH, and I am guessing he made his own head pipes or at least his own mid-pipe to split it into duals. this ain't no v-8 f-150, the duals would not make it a deeper tone.

[RiderTRX400ex]

you need to show some proof.. pics or something.. this sounds too far bs

[DEVINF450R]

how did that post twice sorry guys haha:D

[Iliketogofast]

:rolleyes:

This is a retardfest!

[EXevan91]

lmao... thats why i asked him for pics and notice he didnt even try and defend himself this time.

[400exstud]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
:rolleyes:

This is a retardfest!


I concur:p

[300ex mxracer]

wow... just wow... most 2-stroke pipes have alot more backpressure, thus reducing the power in a 4-stroke. less backpressure=more power.

[xxnightraven73x]

well i cant quite figure out how to get the pics up it keeps telling me they are too big

[250r4life]

lol...

[ryanh250ex]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
well i cant quite figure out how to get the pics up it keeps telling me they are too big

send them to hogan9ac@erau.edu , i'll resize and host them for you...

[xxnightraven73x]

ok you should have them right now

[ryanh250ex]

it's the real deal....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pd3da8b5a566ebdaeeb1632f23f9ded23/ee815552.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pf92947142e06eb31d803c71c53c27af4/ee815548.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pb6c08a17b42f9341c2ae871d81799c3e/ee815544.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/p624aefe62022ec1fc19e35d31b1ed7b6/ee81553d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/p1a4014e697d13203998b034aa2971473/ee815538.jpg

looks a little ghetto, but if it works, it works.

[aaronqjones]

:eek: I was filixing to call shenanigens. Holy f'ing s balls

[250r4life]

i dont remember- on the 400ex- is the oil resovoir plastic or what is it made out of?

ps- i still think its gay

[EXevan91]

hmm i wonder what the hp numbers are on those bad boys.

[250r4life]

negative 5.125 :devil:

[xxnightraven73x]

well i rode it and two of my buddies rode and and so far we all think its got more power than when it had the slug brothers on it.
not too sure if its a great ammount of hp but i just like the looks of dual pipes on everything

[DEVINF450R]

well congrats, I was hoping for some bling-blingage in those silencers though. haha all you have to do know is get rid of that white brothers e-series sticker

[krt400ex]

Originally posted by ryanh250ex
it's the real deal....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pd3da8b5a566ebdaeeb1632f23f9ded23/ee815552.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pf92947142e06eb31d803c71c53c27af4/ee815548.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pb6c08a17b42f9341c2ae871d81799c3e/ee815544.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/p624aefe62022ec1fc19e35d31b1ed7b6/ee81553d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/p1a4014e697d13203998b034aa2971473/ee815538.jpg

looks a little ghetto, but if it works, it works.

uhh, your tires are on backwards:huh

[xxnightraven73x]

yeah the white borthers sticker is comming off tomorrow and im probably going to get a set of fmf 296 pipes for it.and yes my tires are on backwards they suck and i wanted to see which way they went better in the pits im going to switch them back before i go riding saturday.going to mess with it some more tomorrow if its not raining.eventually im going to burn the tires off it and get some more flat tracking tires.but hey for now its good enough for me.

[eganracing]

if u could get a video with sound that would be great. i wanna hear a 4-stroke exhailing out of 2-stroke pipes.

[xxnightraven73x]

i can try but i wont gurrantee anything i couldnt even figure out how to post the pics.and if i do post a video itll probably be 4th gear down the road on the back tires heh heh.but ill see what i can do maybe i can figure it out and if its not raining ill do it tomorrow.

[PolarisRider]

wow man congrats, i thought this whole thing was bs untill i saw the pics. Good job on going against everyone else and proving them wrong.

[xxnightraven73x]

thanks polaris rider you know it wasnt that big of an accomplishment until i got out on the road and started playing around pulling some good wheelies on it and you could really tell it had more behind it then it was alot touchier when it was up than before. and having 2 other people tell me it has alot more pull to it when they took it out then i was pleased with it

[ryanh250ex]

let me ask you this....did you alter your jetting at all?i'm wondering if the gain you have is from the bike's jetting being more spot-on compared to the e-series.

[Iliketogofast]

Okay, now I've seen everything.

Okay, I'm really anxious to hear this beast, so hurry up and get some video or even a sound clip. I can only imagine...:o

[ohsobad_chevy]

Originally posted by Iliketogofast
Okay, now I've seen everything.

Okay, I'm really anxious to hear this beast, so hurry up and get some video or even a sound clip. I can only imagine...:o

Im with you bro...I have never seen or heard of anyone doing this, I actually thought this post was a joke :p I would love to hear that beast though...:eek:

[xxnightraven73x]

i havent messed with the jetting at all yet im going out to run it some more now and ill see if i can get a video of it running. but i dont have a clue as to how to post that either.but im going to check my plug after i run it more today.it doesnt sound bad for stock pipes off a shee but im sure some good aftermarkets would make it even happier.soon enough though i got to do my clutch before anything else now it started slipping the other day.but ill get the vid. of it running and someone let me know how to post it and i will

[ohsobad_chevy]

When you get some footage of it, let us know and ill post up and tell you how to host it. You can host it for free on putfile.com and then you can give us the link to it. Its very easy to do.

[Iliketogofast]

I'll tell you where your power increase is coming from. When you changed to a WB pipe you didn't rejet. You just said that you have never bothered with jetting.

Now, with your Banshee pipes you are getting similar exhaust flow restriction as with the stock pipe.

[xxnightraven73x]

the jets have been changed they need to be to run the 440 kit and the white brothers just sucked anyway.this is nowhere near stock settings i ment i havent messed with it since the banshee pipes have been on it. but its burning a nice brown so i think its dead on.and also i guess this cam doesnt do video not sure.ill see what the ol lady says about it. but a better set of pipes will be soon after my clutch.then ill have to re-jet some more but for now its dead on so ill run it this weekend and see how it goes.

[abuckley1290]

did you have to do any mods to make them fit? How much louder is it than the eseries with say 8 disks>?

[xxnightraven73x]

there really wasnt all that much fabbing of things just a hanger for the opposite side and getting the electronics into the batt. box. i cut and bent the header pipe alittle and mounted the pipes on.it wasnt all that difficult for me but ive done alot of custom work on cars.so bikes and wheelers are second nature to me if its got a motor ill customize it.did an s-10 with a 400 and 2 fieros with 350 chevy engines.among all my projects going on now

[xxnightraven73x]

and i forgot its really not all that loud it just has a good tone to it im sure once i step it up to different pipes itll get louder thinking about going with either fmf or procircut but thatll be alittle while

[Mxjunkie]

haha I think it looks badass but hey I'm a banshee guy:p

[xxnightraven73x]

thanks i like the way it looks and goes now too can wait to get a good set on there and see how it goes.she rips real good now going to line it up with a preditor and a z-400 and i believe a stroker banshee that i built for my buddy saturday and see how it fairs

[DOHC]

LMAO i dont even know how to explain how funny this is

[DEVINF450R]

xxnightraven73x--- thanks i like the way it looks and goes now too can wait to get a good set on there and see how it goes.she rips real good now going to line it up with a preditor and a z-400 and i believe a stroker banshee that i built for my buddy saturday and see how it fairs


don't forsee it goin well. but it is a nice job. I def had my doubts

[250r4life]

Originally posted by DEVINF450R
don't forsee it goin well. but it is a nice job. I def had my doubts


yah... thats true... i'll at least give him props for pulling it off, altough i still dont think it was the best idea, but thats what he wanted to do, so more power to him...

[slvrlakerdr08]

I just wanna say that I feel so much dummer now for reading this whole forum. This is pretty much rediculous, I don;t really know what to think but I think if you put two stroke pipes on a 400ex you gotta problem I still dunno how they fit.

[Dr89]

well you did it, you put dual banshee pipes on yr 400ex...thats some crazy @$$ redneck art work but just cause they're bolted on there doesnt make it a good idea. i bought a 300ex as a project and it came with a two stroke silencer fabbed to a fourstroke header that was bigger than the stock 300 headers, and it was gay. first thing i did was buy a white bros. header and hmf silencer and it completely fixed the stupid. i will back him up though in the fact that it did actually made a really deep and throaty sound, but it backfired like crazy and you could feel it holding it back. all around bad idea, just buy an aftermarket 400 pipe and header and get some real power from it.

[Dr89]

I just wanna say that I feel so much dummer now for reading this whole forum. This is pretty much rediculous, I don;t really know what to think but I think if you put two stroke pipes on a 400ex you gotta problem I still dunno how they fit.

you spelled dumber wrong, but in this case we'll blame the thread...how could anyone hope to think clearly after reading this mess

[400eXr1d3rZ]

WOW, i want the video, i want the video NOW.

[MarkyNark]

This is an interesting thread to wake up to. Whatever happens, he should submit the video of his handy work to stupidvideos.com.
:rolleyes:

[xxnightraven73x]

sorry stupid cam wont do video. as for the way it goes and sounds its alot better than when it had the white brothers on it no back firing it holds nothing back.i had to adjust the carb alittle bit to get it right on for it but its sooo much more responsive than it was before so you can say what you will but im sticking to this its alot better than when i first got it.ill never go back to the way it was just because it pulls so much better through all the gears and probably will more so when i get the fmf's for it.the head piep is a white brothers so it has good flow and i took out the end caps on the silencers which helped alittle too

[Dr89]

i still wont say its logical or at all a good idea, but it is custom, and i like that. someones thinking outside the box.

[Andrewcordle]

I just read all six pages of this and I can not believe my eyes. I want to see if I can get this started up again. Where is the video. I will give him credit for thinking outside of the box, but if he is such an accomplished fabricator why not build his own silencer. Use an inner core from something with the inside diameter that he is looking for and make it at least match the mid pipe that he has so meticulously fabed into this creative invention. There is no reason that dual exhaust wont work. LTE is doing it and while I am not all that impressed with what I have heard or read about them it makes sense. Your motor has to be able to exhale what it inhales and what better way to do that than to duel it out. It might benifit from some kind of custom exhaust port job and mabe some kind of crazy mill job and a wacky exhaust manifold, but he is onto something. He is just getting there in one of the most abstract ways I have ever seen....

[xxnightraven73x]

yes i have done alot of fab. work but why bother making my own silencer when the fmf mid pipes are the same size as the header pipe all the way back to the silencer .anyway it blows my mind seeing this old post up here anyway damn ive gone and changed pipes and everything since this old thing.heh heh good to see i attract attention. but its gone to the sand drags and mud drags smoked 450's and anything ive lined up with so far but im not doing a whole lot of riding anymore since my buddy had a baby so it just sits around doing nothing

[2muchquad]

really know what to think but I think if you put two stroke pipes on a 400ex you gotta problem I still dunno how they fit.

A silencer is pretty much just a core wrapped in packing inside a shell,regardless of 2 or 4 stroke.While it can obviously be done,i think this setup would benefit from some exhaust with bigger silencer openings,it probably makes good torque though.;) Theres nothing wrong with being creative;)

[xxnightraven73x]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thank you thats what i was tring to say the whole time and yes its a torque monster.the new fmf pipes made it even more so.thank you someone understands what i was doing that and i just wanted the dual look to it anyway added power was just a bonus :devil:

[krt400ex]

Originally posted by xxnightraven73x
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thank you thats what i was tring to say the whole time and yes its a torque monster.the new fmf pipes made it even more so.thank you someone understands what i was doing that and i just wanted the dual look to it anyway added power was just a bonus :devil:


does it still have top end, or is it all botoom???

and plz post a video, i am dying to hear it and see it!!!!

[xxnightraven73x]

you can see pics of the new pipes and whole wheeler in the atvs for sale section of this.cam. wont do vids sorry and ive still got a whole lot of top end too pulls the frount end up in every gear and thats with a 15/38 gear set up.not sure what it tops out at may not ever find out if any deals go through