The Laeger CRFs

[bad01300ex]

So from what i have gathered, there was only 7 ever made??

Lets see if we can get pics of all seven of them.

There is one the Nacs racing catalog (i think its one), and here is one as well.

That leaves five............

[spdygonzalez450]

i dont know about how many there are made but that is such a sweet bike. y cant honda make a bike like this, all 250r geo. but with the 450 motor, i swear they would sell a ton, i would sell my bike to get one. i cant stand how the 450s sit, i want the feel of my 250r haha that is why i am keeping the 250. i bet that bike rips like no other

i just sh1t myself

[CannondaleRider]

Joe Rarey #609(aka Laptraffic) has one....haven't got a chance to ride it more then taking it over to wash it off.....it's nice

Here it is with his Roll/Elka/Sparks 450R(Logan Hollidays 06 race bike)
http://pittraffic.com/tmspics/albums/album19/IMG_5709.sized.jpg
It's beautiful.
http://i4.tinypic.com/10pwtx5.jpg

[laeger2fiddyr]

my friend has one i'll try to get a pic of it at the next race.

[outacontrol]

here is 1 more. the guy i bought it off of also said there was only 7 made. ive owned this quad about a month now.http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1138.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1137.jpg

[Mean250r]

can u imagine having one of those? wow that must be so sick knowing therer was only 7. I would trade my modded R YFZ blaster and Pimped 50 for one of them ha ha

[CTmxyfz]

My buddy has a frame/subframe he is sitting on for now. He is debating wether to build it or sell it. So theres another one, but its not complete.

[FHKracingZ]

Here is a nice LSR/PEP CRF450 my friend is selling, not a laeger though.

[fandl450r]

My mechanic in GA has a full laeger CRF. T-Pin front end, CR500 Link rear.

[450man]

a guy that rides in wisconsin was out in like new york i think and got his laeger crf stolen. it was one of the 7. now some creep has it...how can you be proud of that???

[CannondaleRider]

Also, forgot to mention, the bike I posted has the T-Pin front end and CR500 link.

Also, the owner knows where there is a twin to that bike....I don't have a pic.

That would make more then seven already...if all these are completely true.

[rbgnwa45]

Originally posted by bad01300ex
So from what i have gathered, there was only 7 ever made??

Lets see if we can get pics of all seven of them.

There is one the Nacs racing catalog (i think its one), and here is one as well.

That leaves five............


I think that's my new favourite quad :eek2: . Very nice.

[FHKracingZ]

There is more then 7 Laeger frames, alot more.... There are just 7 that he built himself, that means complete quads.

[CannondaleRider]

Alright....I knew there was a confusion there

[416exmx]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
There is more then 7 Laeger frames, alot more.... There are just 7 that he built himself, that means complete quads.

Yeah there are many Laeger frames out there, but only 7 TRUE CRF450 frames. Not talking about 250r, YZ or conversion frames.

how much time goes into making each one of thos eframes?

[outacontrol]

considering they only made 7, im sure they do them right thats why there were only 7 made, and they are so pricey. the quality on my frame is top notch! i love it!

[bad01300ex]

ok so here is what we got that we know are TRUE Laeger CRFS

1. The blue one i posted
2. The red/yellow one in the Nacs catalog
3. Outacontrol's
4. CannondaleRider (posted a pic of one)
5. CannondaleRider (Said his friend has a twin)
6. FandL450r's mechanic (if its a true CRF frame??)
7. ????????????

Lets confirm wether the ones i listed are true CRFs or just conversions..............

[R3Concepts]

Arent the true Leager frames Flip Tops?


Outacontrol- I considered buying that bike, was just a little to far away. For sure one of the sickest CRFs out there. Great buy. Mind if I ask what he finally sold it for? He also had a sick TRX as well if memory serves.

[TheIceMan]

I know Tim had at least 2 of them, Jason March had one too.

[outacontrol]

R3 Concepts,
Yes your right he does have a trick 450r as well. his boy races nationals so they had this laeger that was never raced on, and then the 450r. The thing has the best of the best on it. True Laeger with flip top subframe. I luckily lived about 20 mins from his house. I paid $8000 for it. He showed me reciepts of $24000 +. this quad would make a C rider an A rider in no time.

[R3Concepts]

Damn, you stole that thing. By far one of the best out there component wise. Make a F rider into a A rider very quickly. Super easy bike to go fast on. Great buy!

[outacontrol]

i know how you could prove that a couple of these were true CRF laegers. ask them how they have to drain the oil out of the motor when they change it. its something unique that only a laeger owner would encounter.

[outacontrol]

yeah r3, i knew i would like it and it was a deal, but until you ride one, its a whole different world! I had a highly modded YFZ before this, and the YFZ doesnt have anything for this. If you ever get the chance to buy one again, do it!!

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by outacontrol
yeah r3, i knew i would like it and it was a deal, but until you ride one, its a whole different world! I had a highly modded YFZ before this, and the YFZ doesnt have anything for this. If you ever get the chance to buy one again, do it!!

My little brother just parted out a full LSR/PEP Hybrid and after helping him do it, I should of just bought it. Instead I started over with an LTR.:ermm:

[figair]

R3 you still cant go wrong w/the ltr.........Im gonna try to buy one in a week or two.

[CannondaleRider]

The one I posted has the Flip top seat/plastic.....not sure about its twin

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by figair
R3 you still cant go wrong w/the ltr.........Im gonna try to buy one in a week or two.

Yeah I know. Its just a long ways off from where I want it to be. Another 10k and it will be an R3 bike.

[outacontrol]

some more pics
baldwin motorhttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1152.jpg
fliptop
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1147.jpg cr500 linkage
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1150.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1153.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1151.jpg

[416exmx]

Originally posted by bad01300ex
ok so here is what we got that we know are TRUE Laeger CRFS

1. The blue one i posted
2. The red/yellow one in the Nacs catalog
3. Outacontrol's
4. CannondaleRider (posted a pic of one)
5. CannondaleRider (Said his friend has a twin)
6. FandL450r's mechanic (if its a true CRF frame??)
7. ????????????

Lets confirm wether the ones i listed are true CRFs or just conversions..............


Jim Schaivo had one of the frames for sale a few months ago. I about bought it but held off. I got back ahold of him a few weeks later to go ahead and buy it and he already sold it. I kick my self in the *** for not buyin it. I am assuming this is the frame ctmxyfz is talking about.

Laptraffic had one and didnt he say his buddy had a twin to it? So that would be the number 4 and 5.

What about the one that was stolen. That would be 8???

[JR3]

Originally posted by outacontrol
i know how you could prove that a couple of these were true CRF laegers. ask them how they have to drain the oil out of the motor when they change it. its something unique that only a laeger owner would encounter.

Im curious how do you drain the oil on a true lagear framed crf.

[bad01300ex]

Originally posted by outacontrol
R3 Concepts,
Yes your right he does have a trick 450r as well. his boy races nationals so they had this laeger that was never raced on, and then the 450r. The thing has the best of the best on it. True Laeger with flip top subframe. I luckily lived about 20 mins from his house. I paid $8000 for it. He showed me reciepts of $24000 +. this quad would make a C rider an A rider in no time.


ONLY $8000:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

oooooooh why have i spent so much on my 2 smoke:mad:

[bad01300ex]

Hey you guys keep saying what an awsome quad this is, but what about a LSR framed CRF, would it still have the ability to move a rider up so quickly like you guys say the Laeger would? I mean its all the same geometry right? Is it just the laeger frame is a little bit better built?

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by 416exmx


Laptraffic had one and didnt he say his buddy had a twin to it? So that would be the number 4 and 5.
?

Were you refering to my post?....if not, I mention Joe's(Laptraffic) bike, and the Twin...I posted a pic of Joes bike.


Originally posted by bad01300ex
Hey you guys keep saying what an awsome quad this is, but what about a LSR framed CRF, would it still have the ability to move a rider up so quickly like you guys say the Laeger would? I mean its all the same geometry right? Its just the laeger frame ist alittle bit better?

It may be better then the factory bikes, or every bit as good...BUT, it doesn't have the T-Pin setup like the Ligers do(Joes nickname for the Leagers). Not sure if you can get it with the CR link or not.

It would still be an extremely good bike, but IMO, not as good as a Liger.

Also, don't count on JUST a bike putting you to an A level or Pro level REAL quick...yeah, you'll become faster, because the bike is faster....but don't expect a miracle.

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by bad01300ex
Hey you guys keep saying what an awsome quad this is, but what about a LSR framed CRF, would it still have the ability to move a rider up so quickly like you guys say the Laeger would? I mean its all the same geometry right? Is it just the laeger frame is a little bit better built?

My brother went from a bone stock 400 to his. He got FAST. We were in the dunes on a 3rd-4th gear ride and I watched him go bigger then Ive seen 90% of the riders Ive ever seen. I was like WTF who is he?:eek2: His bike was super easy to go fast on. Only bike to date Ive ridden that I could sit down on to go through the whoops and still go through them fast.

[bad01300ex]

well i dont think the bike ONLY is going to make me faster, but i ask about a LSR because

A. You can still buy them new and
B. There are only 7 laegers made, meening they arent going to be easy to get ahold of.

[outacontrol]

from what i read its more likely to bend or crack an lsr. very uncommon to hear any leager issues with cracking

[JR3]

Originally posted by JR3
Im curious how do you drain the oil on a true lagear framed crf.

[outacontrol]

well i didnt say right away in case there was an issue with a guy saying he had a laeger but really didnt. The way the CRF sits in a Laeger, the oil drain bolt is at the same level as the frame. you cant remove the bolt completely. you have to loosen it with a wrench from below the quad, and let it slowly drain out. When i say slowly i mean it takes over an hour of draining! PITA!

[Tommy 17]

heres the missin leager... one of the original 7

[mx428]

Originally posted by outacontrol
here is 1 more. the guy i bought it off of also said there was only 7 made. ive owned this quad about a month now.http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1138.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/outacontrolyfz/IMG_1137.jpg OMG. SO. HOT.

[Meat]

I knew I had seen a Laeger CRF in one of my old ATV Sport mags and I just found the mag for yas. Its the December 2003 issue of ATV Sport and has the all red "matrix" looking cover featurin' the brand spankin' new Honda 450r.

Anyways..... there was a small writeup on the Baldwin\Laeger CRF that Tim Farr won the 2002 Pro class with. Here's some details for yas.

440cc's. You all remember when the cc limit was 440 ?? Well they had to de-stroke the motor 1.8mm to make her legal to race. The valves, cam, carb, compression and tranny are stock CRF specs. The frame, steering stem, swingarm and A-arms are of course Laeger with the swinger using the CR500 linkage and the A-arms are T-pins. Shocks are PEP's ZPS. Farr's championship winning CRF was all red, with a black seat, black frame with grey A-arms and swingarm. The steering stem appears to be either chrome or a slightly different color grey from the A-arms.
And the flip top frame...... not on Farrs quad, it uses a Rath seat latch kit:ermm:
Motor work is Baldwin.

-denny

[onefast400ex]

Theres another one, go into atvs for sale, suspicious items and go on the 2nd page that is the one that is quadpornstars and some scum bag piece of **** stole from him. He said that that was a 25k laeger.

[CannondaleRider]

Remember guys, like someone else said, just because its a Laegers...doesn't mean its one of the original 7.

[bad01300ex]

Originally posted by onefast400ex
Theres another one, go into atvs for sale, suspicious items and go on the 2nd page that is the one that is quadpornstars and some scum bag piece of **** stole from him. He said that that was a 25k laeger.

That one isnt a true CRF frame, you can tell by the motor mounts.

[FHKracingZ]

There is more then 7 trust me.. thats just a rumor, we have 7 accounted for and heres a pic of one of my friends Laeger's CRF. This quad was bought from a Baldwin Worker by a Local Racer named Byran Babler, he sold it to the current owner. This quad is the FIRST Laeger CRF built and it still has the destroked CRF450 motor toa CRF440.

**EDIT** Meat this is the quad u are talking about, except tim farr never raced this quad.

[bad01300ex]

1. Blue one i posted
2. Nacs racing
3. LapTraphic
4. CannondaleRider
5. FHKracing
6. Tim Farr's
7. Somone recently listed a Laeger CRF frame in the "Parts for sale"

Fandl450r said he knows somebody who has one

maybe there are more than 7:huh

[CannondaleRider]

REMEMBER...theres 7 that LAEGERS BUILT...theres way more then 7 frames....so some of these arn't some of the true 7....just ones that people built outside of the Laegers shop

[bad01300ex]

so someone built a frame and put Laeger stickers on it??

[CannondaleRider]

No no no....Laegers built seven QUADS...meaning, complete quads.

BUT, they build many FRAMES....so people bought the frame, built up their own chassis/suspension, bought the powertrain, bought all the little ins and outs of a hybrid, etc....all outside of Laegers...

[FHKracingZ]

Ok guys, just called somebody to find out and because i really wanted to kno about this.. There are 7 Laeger's CRF NarrowFrame Frames ever made. These Rare NarrorFrame's use a +7 inch a-arm i belive. But there are many regular frame'd CRF Laeger Frames. The 7 NarrowFrame'd quads came COMPLETE from Laegers and were only sold to important people. Thats why you will only find these rare NarrowFrame'd quads with T-pins because have you ever seen a +7 inch A-arm set from lonestar or anybody else ? no , because Laegers had to custom build them for the frames.

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
Ok guys, just called somebody to find out and because i really wanted to kno about this.. There are 7 Laeger's CRF NarrowFrame Frames ever made. These Rare NarrorFrame's use a +7 inch a-arm i belive. But there are many regular frame'd CRF Laeger Frames. The 7 NarrowFrame'd quads came COMPLETE from Laegers and were only sold to important people.


Wow....i feel like such an idiot...

I knew about the narrow frame deal, and COMPLETELY forgot about it......jesus.

[FHKracingZ]

Ok guys , heres a some what picture to show you what a Narrowframe looks like. Its hard to show in a pic but its goofy as hell looking in real life. The red dots are were the a-arm mounts.

[QuadRacer041]

My buddy out in Long Island built this narow front end pro trax laeger crf back in early 03. he bought the complete chassis from laeger brand new(i think it was the last one ever made) and built up the complete bike himself. i dont know if you would consider it one of the original 7 but it IS a true Laeger CRF

[outacontrol]

I know mine for a fact is one of the 7 originals, all built from laeger. protrax front end, laeger swinger, narrow frame. I even have the reciept from laeger that the guy gave me when i bought this quad. He is best friends with Mark Baldwin, and Mark hooked him up with the frame through Laeger because they are buds, and he races nationals. thats why if you notice in my pics, mark baldwins name is engraved in the side of the motor. So these guys are right, there was 7 complete laeger narrow frames built complete for crf motors.

[o3thirdeyeo3]

twin.

[outacontrol]

that is mine before i owned it. same quad just black hiper rings, and black nerfs. that was the original owner that i was speaking of. if you notice i the numbers are the same still.

[blake_mx_racer]

How much would one of the true 7 laeger crfs cost like if you went out and bought one from one of the owners?

[outacontrol]

$8000 is what i paid for mine, reciepts of $24000 on it.

[o3thirdeyeo3]

I figured it was yours, and I noticed the same numbers, but hey, he could be greedy and have 2. lol
Also, the different location of the shock ressies/stabilizer, new plastics/graphics/seat cover, and the hiper rings and powdercoating like you mentioned. I guess that pic is older than I thought. My bad!

[outacontrol]

actually the plastic is the same and the graphics and the frame, all i did was remove the yellow rings and put black on. ill put some pics up end of the week with the white fullbores and qtech hood.

[ThumPIN_450R]

A guy I know that races here in washington has one

Pic of it is here


http://www.quadsonly.com/gallery/QuadsOnly/aas


This is not the twin to lappers bike so that makes 3 in washington.

[tazman7]

So what frame would I need to get if I wanted to make a 450 conversion? And where can I get one?

[bad01300ex]

I think the only company that still makes new ones is Lonestar. There are people parting them out all the time though. You also need a new swinger as well.

[hontrx265r]

Some of the bikes on here don't look like the narrow frames? Its hard to tell though here is a close up of my old laeger narrow frame bike ( full laeger, tpin, with cr500 rear just like the crf's)you can see how close the bottom tubes are, supposed to help with bumpsteer and travel for those that are un aware

[parkers30]

Just for clarification, outacontrol do you have a picture of your 'narrow' front? I thought the 7 everyone is talking about are even narower, with only one center tube. Not a mated double like the one above.

[JHF219]

Jeromiah Jones had one !! :cool:

[Ex_Rider43]

Originally posted by JHForman250R
Jeromiah Jones had one !! :cool:


Jones never raced a 4stroke before the production bikes I think ?

[JHF219]

Originally posted by Ex_Rider43
Jones never raced a 4stroke before the production bikes I think ?

He may have never raced it but I assure you he had one !!

[hondardr4life]

Another member on here (hondacrf15) who is one of my good friends, had one of the original 7. Tim Farr had 2 of them, then my friend bought Tim's spare frame. It was the real deal t pin, cr500 link, i believe it was narrow frame. I never saw it in person, he had it before I met him, he rides a full baldwin built 450 now, but to this day, he says he regrets selling that CRF. He can tell you all about the fun of draining the oil. He had to make a special wrench just so he could drain it. I'll tell him about this post, hopefully he will post up some pics of it.

[crazedape]

Fandls mechanic is also my mechanic. It was built by laeger's for one of the pros as a gift and he bought it from the pro at a race. His bike is serious. It has all the bells and whistles and I don't think he could pull another 10th of a horsepower out of that thing. It flat out hauls. It is a true crf 450 frame.

[MX450]

hey funny this thread was brought back, i was at quinn motorsports today and he has a leager crf, bought it off of tim far, its a pretty nice bike.