2006 GNCC Series Round #7 - The John Penton - Preview & Live Race Coverage

[Admin]

Millfield, OH - It might not feel like it, but the GNCC Season has reached the half way point, and there are only three races left till the summer break counting the John Penton this weekend, and with the soaring gas prices, the summer break probably can’t come soon enough for some. Especially for those that made the long trip to the Showtime! Missouri GNCC only to be rained on most of the race on Saturday, which gave the Utilities the advantage in the morning for a Utility Podium sweep and with the Swamp fox, Chris Jenks, taking his first overall win of the season over Chris Borich and Adam McGill in the Afternoon.

The past few years the Penton has either been a mud bog or a dust bowl with nothing in between, and it appears this year won’t be much different as it appears it is going to be another mud bog especially for the morning racers as the area received some heavy rain overnight into Friday morning, and the sun came out today, but it was once again replaced by clouds. It has started to rain again just about 10PM, but hopefully it is only a passing shower because if not it is going to be mud bog tomorrow morning and into the afternoon unless the sun comes back out again tomorrow.

The start this year will be on the motocross track, which hasn’t been done for a few years.

[Admin]

The Penton isn’t known for its level parking, so arriving early is critical if you are in a motorhome or want a level parking spot, and the lower parking lot filled up quickly this morning.

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The BRP can-am Team were all busy preparing for the pending muddy race awaiting them tomorrow, which is a welcomed treat as the Utility racers hope for yet another podium sweep.

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Check out the can-am team dog sporting its own sticker kit, lol

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The can-am team weren’t the only people working on their machines as Ken Tincher was making the final additions to his new 2006 Honda 450R, and he won’t be the only rider making the switch to the new 2006 Honda 450R tomorrow.

[Admin]

My good friend, Darrell Bozarth assisted me with installing the kill switch, and Elka’s Jay Gobel helped me dial in the stock suspension to work their best for the woods, so he took almost all the preload out of the front shocks and made a few adjustments to the compression and rebound.

[Admin]

John Bowers wasn’t taking any chances with the mud as he headed over to have some fresh tires mounted with Tireballs ofcourse.

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With the Youth ATV race starting at 8AM, many of them signed up this evening and taped up their ATVs to keep as much mud and water out as possible

[Admin]

With the 2006 Yamaha YFZ450 ready to go for the race tomorrow and the sun setting behind the trees, this will end the Preview coverage, but check back tomorrow for some live updates throughout the day thanks to Monica and all those that help out with the Live Coverage especially when I get a chance to play(race).

[Admin]

***Breaking News***

A huge gas line that runs through the property was found to be leaking tonight by some of those that walked the track, which has forced the area 1/4 mile surrounding it to be closed off, which also means that about 5 miles of the track on that side of the road will be have to be removed from the original track layout.

The Racer Productions crew will be busy tomorrow redesigning the track layout if the gas line isn't fixed, which could force them to have an extremely short track with it possibily in the 6-8 mile range unless they are able to work a miracle and zig zag the property on the otherside of the road.

I will provide an update on the situation in the morning as the rain continues and it is almost midnight and people are once again starting to get stuck trying to park.

[Johnny & Monica]

The gas line has been fixed so they will run the entire course that was set up.

Walker Fowler once again shows up and dominates the entire youth race and takes the win easily finishing in front of second place by several minutes. Second place going to Bradford and third to Spadling.


The track is extremely muddy even with the sun shining down.


Many of the youth racers were getting towed out including Jesi Stracham and Cheyne Gravely who had engine troubles and couldn't pull the hills.

[quadracer12]

have they said if smiley will be on a honda or yamaha?

[Scro]

Originally posted by quadracer12
have they said if smiley will be on a honda or yamaha?

Smiley is on a honda.

[donut]

morning utility results?????

[Johnny & Monica]

The morning race is just now getting over.

Traci Cecco gets another win on her Yamaha followed by Angel Atwell and Stephanie Parton.

The sun is shining and the track is shaping up nicely for the afternnoon racers. The riders are heading to the start lines and waiting for the morning classes to finish up and get the track cleared for them to get the afternoon started.

[speednut3]

How is the track?

[Johnny & Monica]

Very muddy this morning but will be looking really good for the afternoon.

[c1smalleyracing]

Any one know how John Gallager finished?

Thanks

[Johnny & Monica]

Borich grabs the holeshot only to brake a tie rod about a quarter mile in. Big pile up of the pros including Adam Mcgill.

Billy Good is riding a Predator in the pro am and was third off the line.

Brandon Sommers takes another holeshot in 4 stroke A.

Dave Simmons out front in +40.

Borich back in race after returning to pits to fix the quad. As he reentered the race he got tangled with a senior racer and thrown into some banners but now back on the charge and several minutes down on the other Pros.

[cdalejef]

DOH!!!

[outlawATV]

Big pile up of the pros

oH GREAT. I AM ALREADY GOING NUTS...MOMMAB

[gainer56]

How's the jr25+ class doing?

[QUADROOKIE]

Originally posted by outlawATV
Big pile up of the pros

oH GREAT. I AM ALREADY GOING NUTS...MOMMAB

LOL! MommaB, now i am sure Michael was nowhere near when that took place!!:devil: -Hopefully anyway.;)

[Johnson]

Calm down Momma you have 2 hours to bite your nails. I'm sure our guys are fine.

[prepracing]

Originally posted by Johnny & Monica
Borich grabs the holeshot only to brake a tie rod about a quarter mile in. Big pile up of the pros including Adam Mcgill.

Billy Good is riding a Predator in the pro am and was third off the line.

Brandon Sommers takes another holeshot in 4 stroke A.

Dave Simmons out front in +40.

Borich back in race after returning to pits to fix the quad. As he reentered the race he got tangled with a senior racer and thrown into some banners but now back on the charge and several minutes down on the other Pros.

that bad luck for Borich could pull Ballance back even for the season if he could pull off a win today

[gainer56]

mommaB, I'm biting my nails too! I'm the babysitter this week instead of pit mom. I hate not being there!

[wdsrzr]

any open B results on the start

[outlawATV]

Originally posted by gainer56
mommaB, I'm biting my nails too! I'm the babysitter this week instead of pit mom. I hate not being there!

Dont ya just hate the suspense? On the edge of my chair... :blah: mommab

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by wdsrzr
any open B results The race just started.

Johnny & Monica post the info as the receive it. Most of the info will be on pro's only since cell reception is spoty.

[gainer56]

mommaB, I'm shaking in my shoes and chasing rug rats around at the same time! Sure glad we have a lap top cause I'm outside with the kids and they are old enough to know daddy is racing.

[Johnson]

This is what makes me nervous. Long spans of nothing. Hey Monica is the phone reception really bad.

[wdsrzr]

any word on scot barren

[Johnny & Monica]

From what I got Yokley was out front but now it's Ballance Jenks Yokley.

Seems that some Pro am racers may be actually leading the overall at this point.

Brandon Ballance Chris Borich and Adam Kurt Mcgill are at the back of the pro pack.


Lots of bottlenecks and the leaders are already having to deal with lap traffice.

[Johnny & Monica]

Back to the morning

Harlen hit a tree and went over the bars not sure where he actually finished he was cutting out again.

[speednut3]

Witch pro-am riders?

[speednut3]

Big Buck quad race is on OLN right now. Something to do while we wait for more results.:D

[Johnny & Monica]

Not sure which pro ams. I'll be sure and post it as soon as I get the info. I'm only hearing about half of what he tells me.

[Johnny & Monica]

Latest info

Bill Ballance out front Yokley and Jenks battling for second. Chris Bithell is also running up towards the front.

[prepracing]

PRO - AM Go......Ryan morphew and Craig Reed....lets see a podium finish

[cxpress]

DO YOU KNOW HOW BROCK PARKER FINISHED IN AM

[Johnny & Monica]

Originally posted by cxpress
DO YOU KNOW HOW BROCK PARKER FINISHED IN AM

Sorry getting very little info today But all results will be posted ASP after the PM race sorry:(

[cxpress]

DO YOU KNOW THE OVER ALL IN THE AM

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by cxpress
DO YOU KNOW THE OVER ALL IN THE AM I see your new here. This is how it works, they talk to Harlen on cell service that isn't always that good. They post all the results that they receive from him. If you don't see results that your looking for then that means they don't know what they are.



BTW.......TURN YOUR CAPS OFF!!!

[Johnny & Monica]

Chris Jenks is now leading

Duane Johnson in fourth

Bithell up in the running

Borich crashed hard on moto track but back up and going again.

Bill Ballance no where to be seen

Jeremy Rice is running about fifth on the stock Suzuki.

Gallagher Jr. in the top 10


Lagzdins in the top 10


Neidlander is leading the pro am but the entire pro am class is going to be docked a lap as most of them went the wrong way somewhere on the first lap.

[Johnny & Monica]

Originally posted by Jeff@TireBalls
I see your new here. This is how it works, they talk to Harlen on cell service that isn't always that good. They post all the results that they receive from him. If you don't see results that your looking for then that means they don't know what they are.



BTW.......TURN YOUR CAPS OFF!!!


Thanks Jeff

[QUADROOKIE]

Originally posted by Jeff@TireBalls
I see your new here. This is how it works, they talk to Harlen on cell service that isn't always that good. They post all the results that they receive from him. If you don't see results that your looking for then that means they don't know what they are.



BTW.......TURN YOUR CAPS OFF!!!

You beat me to it Jeff!

---It is hard not knowing-that is understandable. But this coverage is all 100% done on a volunteer basis and Monica does a GREAT job of it. Try to be patient, go mow the grass, come back, and the results will be up!:D

[Johnny & Monica]

White flag lap

[cxpress]

Jeff
sorry I thought maybe someone out there might have
heard somthing on the am overall sorry i will check back
later you all have a great day

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by cxpress
Jeff
sorry I thought maybe someone out there might have
heard somthing on the am overall sorry i will check back
later you all have a great day It was already posted...Cecco, Atwell and Parton

[QUADROOKIE]

Originally posted by cxpress
Jeff
sorry I thought maybe someone out there might have
heard somthing on the am overall sorry i will check back
later you all have a great day

No problem! You just have to take most of us on here with a grain of salt. There is alot of razzin and teasin and smack talk, but we are almost all harmless.:devil:

[h-bomb450R]

what in the hecck is smiley ridin this race??

[QUADROOKIE]

Originally posted by h-bomb450R
what in the hecck is smiley ridin this race??
Honda

[400exyzkiller]

where is Houston running

[markk]

ComeON JENKS!!!! Im glad to see Matt on a honda again, if thats true! Its gona be like the good ol days with all the ring dings out there. A cpl suzukis/Kawi a few yamahas and alot of HONDAS!!!!!!!!

[woodsracer420]

i wonder who wanted to break the polaris deal more? smiley or polaris? wasnt really good for either when smiley is a top 5 rider and could barely crack the top 30 on the outlaw

[Johnny & Monica]

Duane Johnson takes the final podium spot. Big thanks to his Mom and Dad.

Bill Ballance takes second

Chris Jenks takes another overall win.

Houston had problems Bithell had problems

[quadracer12]

Originally posted by woodsracer420
i wonder who wanted to break the polaris deal more? smiley or polaris? wasnt really good for either when smiley is a top 5 rider and could barely crack the top 30 on the outlaw

i was laughing my ***** off when i was watching OLN coverage of south carolina and smiley said he loved the outlaw and wouldnt dream of going back to a straight axle.

[400exyzkiller]

do you know what kind of problems did the LTE team had?

[Johnny & Monica]

A huge congrats to all the winners but an extra special one for Duane Johnson. Way to go!!!!

[QUADROOKIE]

Originally posted by Johnny & Monica
Duane Johnson takes the final podium spot. Big thanks to his Mom and Dad.

Bill Ballance takes second

Chris Jenks takes another overall win.

Houston had problems Bithell had problems

Way to go DUANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all proud of you here in Iowa!!!!! Great job!!!!!

Glad to see Ballance back up there too. He prolly about caught Borich in points then huh?

[outlawATV]

Originally posted by Johnny & Monica
Duane Johnson takes the final podium spot. Big thanks to his Mom and Dad.

Bill Ballance takes second

Chris Jenks takes another overall win.

Houston had problems Bithell had problems

Way to go Duane. Am so proud of you. congrats....mommab

[QUADROOKIE]

Originally posted by Johnny & Monica
A huge congrats to all the winners but an extra special one for Duane Johnson. Way to go!!!!
Any word on how Michael did?

[jlhughes750]

borich??????????

[outlawATV]

Originally posted by QUADROOKIE
Any word on how Michael did?

Nothing yet.

[Linda Reed]

PRO AM ???

[Johnny & Monica]

Harlen was at the podium taking pics and stuff so as soon as he finishes up there, I believe he'll try and get me some more of the overalls.

[atvpitchick]

When Harlen gets results, can you kindly ask him for the Vet Class results too??????? Curious to see how my husband (Ken Tincher) made out!

Thanks!!! :rolleyes:

[eganracing]

does anybody know y smiley switched to honda?

[woodsracer420]

yeah he's a top 5 rider and coulnt break the top 30 on the polary

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by woodsracer420
yeah he's a top 5 rider and coulnt break the top 30 on the polary

He reached the top 5 many times last year on a Polaris, so it's not the quad.

[QUADROOKIE]

I think going to the outlaw and not having success, then back to the Pred and a couple things just didnt go right, all made him way out of his rythm and things just dont feel right. It is probably the best thing for both parties. But he is definately still a top 5 rider, just needs to get his rythm back.;)

[woodsracer420]

Originally posted by GE4x4
He reached the top 5 many times last year on a Polaris, so it's not the quad.

he done alot better previous years than last year, but i was mostly talking about the IRS outlaw

[woodsracer420]

id say give him the summer break to get the honda dialed in and hell be back on the podium

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by woodsracer420
he done alot better previous years than last year, but i was mostly talking about the IRS outlaw

That's true, but look at the compatition a few years ago and then now. There are many young guns coming up and doing quite well. Look at Jenks, 2 wins allready, Houston, Bithel, Johnson and many more. I think Smiley is a great racer, but I would not put him in the top 5 anymore.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by woodsracer420
id say give him the summer break to get the honda dialed in and hell be back on the podium

A pro should not need a summer break to get a quad dialed in. Look at Yokely, he started on a brand new 450R with barly any seat time and has done real well.

[400exyzkiller]

where is the results?

[GE4x4]

I'm getting results from last year.:confused:

[cdalejef]

He's working on it

[Admin]

I just went through the results and unfortunately the results given too me were from 2005. Whoops!!!!

Sorry :(

[pepshocks]

how did wes stone do in junior 25 class:eek2: :eek2:

[gncc335]

Originally posted by jlhughes750
borich??????????

Chis took a hard spill in one of field sections which knocked him out. He was able to come from last in pro and finish 8th overall.

[gncc335]

Originally posted by h-bomb450R
what in the hecck is smiley ridin this race??

Nothing he did'nt race.

[racerxxgncc]

Originally posted by GE4x4
A pro should not need a summer break to get a quad dialed in. Look at Yokely, he started on a brand new 450R with barly any seat time and has done real well.
The polaris and the 450r are not even in the same class, the 450r is twice the machine of either polaris. And I bet smiley will be back on the podium, now that he is actually riding a real quad!! If he is in fact going to ride a Honda. BTW Yokley helped in the R&D on the new 450, what do think they pay there riders for, so they (suzuki) can build a new machine and not ask for any input from the pro's that are riding them.:rolleyes:

[Admin]

Finally, I have all the results uploaded


<li><a href="http://www.atvriders.com/atvresults/gncc200607youthatvresultsclass.pdf"><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Youth ATV Results By Class</font></a></li>
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<li><a href="http://www.atvriders.com/atvresults/gncc200607morningatvresultsclass.pdf"><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Morning ATV Results By Class</font></a></li>
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<li><a href="http://www.atvriders.com/atvresults/gncc200607afternoonatvresultsclass.pdf"><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Afternoon ATV Results By Class</font></a></li>
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[burrows]

Originally posted by outlawATV
Way to go Duane. Am so proud of you. congrats....mommab

Good job Michael 9th in Pro and Bryan 14th. Proud of all you guys. Safe drive home and SLOW down.....mommab

[Johnny & Monica]

Harlen Please post a picture of the podiom ASP with are Mo. Boy Duane We need a new screen saver :devil:

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by racerxxgncc
The polaris and the 450r are not even in the same class, the 450r is twice the machine of either polaris. And I bet smiley will be back on the podium, now that he is actually riding a real quad!! If he is in fact going to ride a Honda. BTW Yokley helped in the R&D on the new 450, what do think they pay there riders for, so they (suzuki) can build a new machine and not ask for any input from the pro's that are riding them.:rolleyes:

Oh I forgot that the Honda is such a mighty quad and the Polaris is junk. Forgive me for being LOYALY BLIND. By the way Gust helped in the R&D on the 450 and not Yokely. Read a few articles and you would know that.

[QUADROOKIE]

Also, there are plenty of big name riders doing very well on both the predator and the outlaw. Look at John Gallagher Sr.

[tuckntaco]

chris borich just made himself a new fan, after breaking a tie rod his pit fixed it in around five minutes he gets back in race, just after the pro pits he is going through the field and takes a badone. i talking 4-5 gear pinned. he is down for a few minutes gets backon his bike now in dead last i think nearly everyone, the entire afternoon classed had passed him and he still gets a top 10 overall. you all would have had to see it to believe the ride he had yesterday.

[Predator38]

anyone know what happened to Billy Good that he dnf'd.....thanx

[prepracing]

Originally posted by Predator38
anyone know what happened to Billy Good that he dnf'd.....thanx


was probably that junk polaris he was riding :devil:

[mills_racing]

Originally posted by Predator38
anyone know what happened to Billy Good that he dnf'd.....thanx

yeah he was running 2nd and broke a steering stem, might i add all the seat time he had on it was from the trailer to the line.:muscle:

[cdalejef]

I can't wait to ride an Outlaw!

[prepracing]

Originally posted by mills_racing
yeah he was running 2nd and broke a steering stem, might i add all the seat time he had on it was from the trailer to the line.:muscle:

Mills, How did you end up this weekend ?

[McGillMom@home]

Originally posted by tuckntaco
chris borich just made himself a new fan, after breaking a tie rod his pit fixed it in around five minutes he gets back in race, just after the pro pits he is going through the field and takes a badone. i talking 4-5 gear pinned. he is down for a few minutes gets backon his bike now in dead last i think nearly everyone, the entire afternoon classed had passed him and he still gets a top 10 overall. you all would have had to see it to believe the ride he had yesterday.

Borich IS a hell of an athlete, and deserves extra kudos for his ride at the Penton. I don't mean to steal any of Chris's thunder, but I would also like to mention my son Adam McGill. The Penton was insane this year. There were many accidents, course questions, and mechanical problems. Just off the start of the pro line, 3 bikes got tangled as sometimes happens when the adrenaline is pumping, and Adam was thrown from his bike and knocked unconscious. Out cold for about a minute and goofy for about 5. In fact, the pro am line was held up an extra few minutes because of the severity of the crash. But after loosing a battle to hold my son down, he wrestled to his feet, jumped back on his bike and finished 20th in the pro class. At the end of the race, he was confused and dizzy, and his pupils were unresponsive. We had the medics check him and all indications were consistent with a concusion. Amazing though, that under all these circumstances, he raced with integrity, and FINISHED! I realized, it is just what he does.

I'm trying to find a place to mention and thank all those that I remember being so outstanding to us yesterday through this matter. I am not computer savvy and will search for a venue. As a momma, I feel compelled to acknowledge and thank so many.

Congrats to Borich and McGill on an outstanding afternoon, as well as Jenks, Ballance and Duane Johnson on their podium wins.

[McGillMom@home]

Borich and McGill

(Told you I wasn't savvy...photo below)

[McGillMom@home]

Originally posted by McGillMom@home
Borich and McGill

[mills_racing]

Originally posted by prepracing
Mills, How did you end up this weekend ?

not so well, got off to a good start parker got the holeshot and i was 2nd, finally got around him after he got hung up on some other rider in a mud hole and got to pull away towards the end till i came up on a big bottle neck and some spectator was pointing at a used line saying to take it so i did and it routed me back onto the track i had already runed about 5 miles earlier, so i jus did 2 laps pulled out so i wouldnt risk messing my quad up or me and these next few weeks before sparta ill be training pretty hard.....id like to also congrat chris earlywine on a 17th overall out of vet class....

[450robot]

god! i saw borich take the spill in the field! it was a nasty one

he was coming over a big hump in the land in about 4th gear pinned, when his tires lifted from the ground and he just went airborn, from there his front end just completely dove under, flinging him off, with the quad coming right after him, he hit the ground doin a good 35mph, knocked him silly, but after a few minutes he got right back up, and sped away like nothing happened

[cheryl bithell]

Originally posted by McGillMom@home
Borich and McGill

(Told you I wasn't savvy...photo below)

I also believe much credit should go to those two boys for such stamina and perserverience as to come back after such a devistating start. It was indeed a nerve racking, nail biting (lets not forget confusing) race!!!
I'M VERY PROUD OF ALL OF THE BOYS for their incredible courage each and every race!!! It is definately NOT a sport for the weak... my nerves can bearly stand it and I'm just watching!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU! Cheryl Bithell
Envisioning a Dream is Easy.... Following one is NOT!!!

[prepracing]

wasn't Yokely running in top 3 for first 2 or 3 laps and ended up finishing 15th ?.........anybody know what happened to him ?

[jb500ex]

Originally posted by prepracing
wasn't Yokely running in top 3 for first 2 or 3 laps and ended up finishing 15th ?.........anybody know what happened to him ? yokley was 2nd with a couple of miles to go and his quad died

[Quad Racer 600]

Originally posted by prepracing
wasn't Yokely running in top 3 for first 2 or 3 laps and ended up finishing 15th ?.........anybody know what happened to him ?

I seen him on the last lap near the finish stuck in a bad mudhole

[jb500ex]

Originally posted by GE4x4
A pro should not need a summer break to get a quad dialed in. Look at Yokely, he started on a brand new 450R with barly any seat time and has done real well.
the suzuki is a much better quad then any polaris. how many polaris's will you see on pro row now. and smiley will be back to a top 5 racer again

[Admin]

The Photo Galleries from the Penton have been uploaded.

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[Vertical Smile]

I'm new to this board and can't believe all the Polaris bashing, I think I'm going to head over to my garage and give mine a hug.:p

[Troyer23J]

Yeha, not a big fan of all the polaris bashing. Bottom line is though, Smiley was a regular on the podium, then switched to polaris and they were harder to come by. This year on the outlaw, i think he was having trouble getting used to it, with the irs and all, he switched back to the predator and I would guess that polaris wasnt happy about him not being on their new bike. I am just guessing, but I would think that they were pressuring him to be on the outlaw, and not the pred.
Someone said Yokley jumped on the LTZ-450 and had no problems, well, remember he did spend a few races this year on his 400 and not the 450.

I saw adam's wreck on the MX, track, it was rough. I saw him after the race too, and he did look shaken up, and in a lot of pain.

[neverwas]

actually Matt's podium apperance started dropping when he switched to Yamaha. He actually picked it up when he went to Polaris but this season has been tough on him.

[quad_45]

I think I lost my voice from watching the afternoon start. I'm glad everyone is ok! Cheryl, what happened to Chris?
Stef V

[racerxxgncc]

Originally posted by GE4x4
Oh I forgot that the Honda is such a mighty quad and the Polaris is junk. Forgive me for being LOYALY BLIND. By the way Gust helped in the R&D on the 450 and not Yokely. Read a few articles and you would know that.
Well whats your problem then, if you did read some articles as you have said then you would know what I've stated is true. No polaris bashing here there at best a decent race quad but not even is the same league as any of the other 450's. Thats not a opinion its fact, if its as great as you think why isn't any on pro row? The only one who would ride one didn't like it. There are only 3 guys who get money from manufactures to ride there brand of bike, the rest ride what they think can give them the best chance to win and guess what? There is no one riding a polaris, I wonder what that means.:)

[neverwas]

I don't know how much of a fact it is. I remember reading a shoot out where 9 racers spent time on both the 450r and the predator and they were EVEN in the shootout

[Troyer23J]

Originally posted by quad_45
I think I lost my voice from watching the afternoon start. I'm glad everyone is ok! Cheryl, what happened to Chris?
Stef V

His motor seized up around the 5 mile mark on the last lap.

[poogi]

I heard Andy was schooling on the MX track ,How was his overall???

[poogi]

Was the track a mud hole this year or was it better than usual?
Who was the top 10??:confused:

[markk]

Originally posted by GE4x4
He reached the top 5 many times last year on a Polaris, so it's not the quad.


yeah, and last year he was on a straight axil!!!!!!

[cdalejef]

Originally posted by neverwas
I don't know how much of a fact it is. I remember reading a shoot out where 9 racers spent time on both the 450r and the predator and they were EVEN in the shootout They weren't even but each one had its advantages and disadvantages in certain area's. At the end of the 12 hours the Polaris was the winner.

[cheryl bithell]

Originally posted by quad_45
I think I lost my voice from watching the afternoon start. I'm glad everyone is ok! Cheryl, what happened to Chris?
Stef V

He was in third place and on the charge with less than half a lap till the checkers... had William (Yokley), who was at that point still in second, in his sights and the engine siezed up!!! EEK!!! I know he was really disappointed but after witnessing that start, I was just glad to have him back in one piece!!!!! I feel bad for William also, who now I see had similar luck. (btw... did your mom get her new puppy yet??)

[yoshz400rider]

Smiley didnt even race what are you guys *****ing about a factory was involved in the pro class and no longer is it is a shame. I have a feeling polaris pulled the plug since now matt wasnt even racing I doubt he had the time to just switch programs right away it sucks big time and it was cool having Yamha Suzuki Honda and Polaris invloved. But now we are back to the Big 3

[neverwas]

Originally posted by Jeff@TireBalls
They weren't even but each one had its advantages and disadvantages in certain area's. At the end of the 12 hours the Polaris was the winner.

I just ment in the scoring system they were even and was pointing out that to say to make the bold statement that the 450R is better than any polaris is incorrect. I thought the Yamaha won the shootout???

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by racerxxgncc
Well whats your problem then, if you did read some articles as you have said then you would know what I've stated is true. No polaris bashing here there at best a decent race quad but not even is the same league as any of the other 450's. Thats not a opinion its fact, if its as great as you think why isn't any on pro row? The only one who would ride one didn't like it. There are only 3 guys who get money from manufactures to ride there brand of bike, the rest ride what they think can give them the best chance to win and guess what? There is no one riding a polaris, I wonder what that means.:)

There are not many pros on a Pred because no one gives them a chance. Look at the aftermarket stuff, tons and tons of stuff for the 450's, but can't find squat for the Pred. How much money do you think are on the front end of Ballence, Borich, and other Pros? ASR/FX a-arms, Houser, and so on. There fully adjustable, but what does the Pred get, nothing, as most are still riding stock a-arms. It's the same with swing arms and tie rods and ends. NOBODY makes them for the Pred. So how do you expect a near stock quad going up against $20000 quads? Well Smiley did just that last year. But I would get sick of seeing everyone else get all the goodies and I sit back dealing with stock stuff. So many people including many on this site have got Polaris so stereotype that there junk, that most believe it.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by yoshz400rider
Smiley didnt even race what are you guys *****ing about a factory was involved in the pro class and no longer is it is a shame. I have a feeling polaris pulled the plug since now matt wasnt even racing I doubt he had the time to just switch programs right away it sucks big time and it was cool having Yamha Suzuki Honda and Polaris invloved. But now we are back to the Big 3

Well someone said he didn't race because he was still under contract. So if Polaris pulled the plug, then that would not be true. So if he is still under contract, then that would seem Smiley pulled the plug.

[h-bomb450R]

Originally posted by GE4x4
There are not many pros on a Pred because no one gives them a chance. Look at the aftermarket stuff, tons and tons of stuff for the 450's, but can't find squat for the Pred. How much money do you think are on the front end of Ballence, Borich, and other Pros? ASR/FX a-arms, Houser, and so on. There fully adjustable, but what does the Pred get, nothing, as most are still riding stock a-arms. It's the same with swing arms and tie rods and ends. NOBODY makes them for the Pred. So how do you expect a near stock quad going up against $20000 quads? Well Smiley did just that last year. But I would get sick of seeing everyone else get all the goodies and I sit back dealing with stock stuff. So many people including many on this site have got Polaris so stereotype that there junk, that most believe it.

Well isnt there a reason for that? im sure all of the aftermarket companies arent going...."HMMM...We dont like polaris....so we arent going to make anything for them and make everyone mad." "How bout that?"

And in case u havent noticed. Smiley was on a FAR from stock predator last year.

[bradley300]

matts predator had axis shocks, tireballs and hiper wheels and handlebars last yeaar. to my knowlege, that was IT. show us another quad on the line that close to stock

[racerxxgncc]

Originally posted by bradley300
matts predator had axis shocks, tireballs and hiper wheels and handlebars last yeaar. to my knowlege, that was IT. show us another quad on the line that close to stock
Don't foregot about the roll design front end he had on his bike too, and there were several pro-am riders who were still running stock a-arms and swing-arms and only added elkas, and finished in the top 20 overall last year, I think it was Mcgill, or Johnson but not for sure.

[markk]

All i have noticed, is that Matt is trying his arse off this year and last, And the Just look at everyone who is riding the new OUTLAW. None of them seem to be doing as well as they did last year.

Johnny G senior is still doing great, But he has kinda had that class wraped up for years now. Steph Parton isnt doing as well as she has in the past also, And Matt is another example.

I think that it's in Matt best intrest to be a Factory Polaris rider, But mabey Polaris needs to let him run the Preditor. When i saw Matt in Washington Ga. at the General GNCC I followed he, and one other rider, (mabey RICE) threw the woods for just a little bit, and it just seemd like Matts bike just didnt work for him as well. I though it looked like he had to FIGHT it to stay with the rider infront of him.

And his pred. Did have alot of suspension parts, and im sure alot of tuning to get it to handle like the other top Pro quads.

just my 2cents

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by racerxxgncc
Don't foregot about the roll design front end he had on his bike too, and there were several pro-am riders who were still running stock a-arms and swing-arms and only added elkas, and finished in the top 20 overall last year, I think it was Mcgill, or Johnson but not for sure.

From all the pics I've seen, he still had stock a-arms. They were just Roll Design stickers on them.

[bradley300]

at the texas race he had roll stickers, after that, he didnt even have them

[DeRisiracingdc]

I beleive that the reason Smiley didnt race is because of his contract with Poliaris. I mean I know the deal had ended and stuff but had he raced there could still be some kind of law suit or something. I mean I may be wrong but thats just what I think because he had Honda race ready under the Team Safara Motorsports tent.

[yoshz400rider]

Not true look at Todd Rothermal he finished 20th overall this weekend in the stock class aboard a stock Outlaw no one is saying a thing about it that is pretty damn good I am almost sure it is his best finish ever. Also there are many quads on the line as stock as Smileys. Jeremy Rice was on a completely stock LTR 450 for a few round Stock shocks stock arms stock pipe everything. Also Bill Ballance runs a stock swingarm on the YFZ alot of the quads are way more stock than you think. It wont be long before some pros just run stock suspension with that GTTHUNDER link in the rear nothing comes close to YFZ rear shock. Smiley did ride the Predator for several rounds also.

[jb500ex]

what do you mean nothing comes close too a yfz rear shock

[bigjbull]

Bill B. runs a ARS/FX swing-arm.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by yoshz400rider
Not true look at Todd Rothermal he finished 20th overall this weekend in the stock class aboard a stock Outlaw no one is saying a thing about it that is pretty damn good I am almost sure it is his best finish ever. Also there are many quads on the line as stock as Smileys. Jeremy Rice was on a completely stock LTR 450 for a few round Stock shocks stock arms stock pipe everything. Also Bill Ballance runs a stock swingarm on the YFZ alot of the quads are way more stock than you think. It wont be long before some pros just run stock suspension with that GTTHUNDER link in the rear nothing comes close to YFZ rear shock. Smiley did ride the Predator for several rounds also.

True Rice was on a bone stock LTR450, but his results were not that great either. Also many of the top Pros don't use stock swing arms. There might be a couple in the bottom 20, but in the top 10 other then Smiley are aftermarket swing arms. For Smiley to race a near stock quad to a top 5 last year shows that he can race. But I think he had to race at 110% all the time to do that. And that is because Polaris wanted to prove that a near stock Pred could be competative in the Pro class. Heard it directly from the Polaris reps at last years Florida race. However to step up to the next level the Pred needs to have some XC a-arms like the ARS/FX or the Houser. So it can have camber and caster adjustments.

[jb500ex]

Originally posted by GE4x4
True Rice was on a bone stock LTR450, but his results were not that great either. Also many of the top Pros don't use stock swing arms. There might be a couple in the bottom 20, but in the top 10 other then Smiley are aftermarket swing arms. For Smiley to race a near stock quad to a top 5 last year shows that he can race. But I think he had to race at 110% all the time to do that. And that is because Polaris wanted to prove that a near stock Pred could be competative in the Pro class. Heard it directly from the Polaris reps at last years Florida race. However to step up to the next level the Pred needs to have some XC a-arms like the ARS/FX or the Houser. So it can have camber and caster adjustments.
ge you have too get of the polaris is as good. first of all ballance uses a stock swingarm and he is ranked #1. All the pros have been to test with multiple quads in stock form and no one liked the polaris. How do i know because i was at one of them. the a-arms are not the problem at all, it's the size, weight , ergos( the strangest sport quad i have ever been on), and power (it does not have anywhere near the power of the 450's). It does have a very good rear and does need an aftermarket swinger

[markk]

Originally posted by bigjbull
Bill B. runs a ARS/FX swing-arm.


I havnt looked at bills quad in the last couple races i watched, But i always thought he ran a stock YFZ swinger, With an ars/fx front end now mounted with Ohlins.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by markk
I havnt looked at bills quad in the last couple races i watched, But i always thought he ran a stock YFZ swinger, With an ars/fx front end now mounted with Ohlins.

In the new atvsport mag they have BB YFZ with all his specs and pics. It shows he has a ARS/FX swing-arm and they have a pic of it to.

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by jb500ex
ge you have too get of the polaris is as good. first of all ballance uses a stock swingarm and he is ranked #1. All the pros have been to test with multiple quads in stock form and no one liked the polaris. How do i know because i was at one of them. the a-arms are not the problem at all, it's the size, weight , ergos( the strangest sport quad i have ever been on), and power (it does not have anywhere near the power of the 450's). It does have a very good rear and does need an aftermarket swinger

I don't know what you ment, but I don't think the Pred is a god. (I think that is what you ment) But I also don't think it's junk like other say. But whatever it may be, I hope Smiley does well and maybe see you at a couple of races.:macho

[jb500ex]

Originally posted by GE4x4
I don't know what you ment, but I don't think the Pred is a god. (I think that is what you ment) But I also don't think it's junk like other say. But whatever it may be, I hope Smiley does well and maybe see you at a couple of races.:macho
i don't think it's junk, but i think at an a or higher level you have too ride it much harder too compete. And in some races it will take a toll on you. come up and say hi if you see us at some races.:D

[Allen]

Originally posted by markk
I havnt looked at bills quad in the last couple races i watched, But i always thought he ran a stock YFZ swinger, With an ars/fx front end now mounted with Ohlins.

I've seen Ballances quad on pro row at a lot of GNCC's and it does have the stock swingarm on it. I think it was Johnny G that posted on another site that the reason being was Ballance is a weight freak, and the cast aluminum swingarm is lighter than about anything out there.

[Johnny_G]

Originally posted by Allen
I've seen Ballances quad on pro row at a lot of GNCC's and it does have the stock swingarm on it. I think it was Johnny G that posted on another site that the reason being was Ballance is a weight freak, and the cast aluminum swingarm is lighter than about anything out there.

That was true up till this year......Bill has been running an ARSFX rear end since florida

[cdalejef]

Johnny, stop talking about Bills rear end!!! :ermm:

[jb500ex]

yeah johnny, i have to agree with jeff

[400exmom]

:uhoh:

[Meat]

I raced a D6 hairscramble last year and when Smiley passed me on the Pred, I couldnt beleive how big and bulky the quad looked compared to everyone else who was passing me:D . And Smiley is a big boy too, the Polaris still looked huge and heavy and odd compared to everything else out there. Mr. Smiley if your reading this....... as a fan I'd like say..... get back on a frickin' Honda allready;)

Here's some pics I took from the wisp last year....

http://www.thebansheezone.com/The%20Wisp%20'05/SmileyMobile.jpg


http://www.thebansheezone.com/The%20Wisp%20'05/SmileyMobile2.jpg

MATT MADE THE PODIUM THAT DAY.....
http://www.thebansheezone.com/The%20Wisp%20'05/Smiley_Interview.jpg

http://www.thebansheezone.com/The%20Wisp%20'05/Ballance_Interview.jpg

[trx400exxracer]

I think he should go back to the yfz he kicked but on his team safari yfz when they first came out he was killer on that thing

[GE4x4]

Originally posted by trx400exxracer
I think he should go back to the yfz he kicked but on his team safari yfz when they first came out he was killer on that thing

His 04 season on the YFZ was about the same as he had on his Pred in 05. Points and top 5 were allmost equal.

[CHADHIX]

This is Sunshine-Do ya think everyone can give Polaris a break and just shut up all ready??????????????? Not many people seems to know the truth and it is truly amazing how stupid MOST of YOU people are being. I would suggest everyone go back and read what everyone is saying, including yourself. I've been sitting here shaking my head is total dismay! I'm not going to comment on any of the above. What I would have to say would be very unappropriate for this site and to the people yapping their jaws!

[cdalejef]

Everything that has been posted so far is pretty much inaccurate.

[trx400exxracer]

Originally posted by Jeff@TireBalls
Johnny, stop talking about Bills rear end!!! :ermm:

YEAH Johnny gosh

[SCUDA]

Originally posted by trx400exxracer
YEAH Johnny gosh

zAC HAD A PIC.....dATS FUNNY ! !!

[xraven35]

Blah blah blah.... blah blah. Smiley will be back and better then ever... I dont even like Polaris and I'm saying that..