outlawing 2-strokes?

[robby05]

I know there quit making 2-stroke quads, but are they gonna quit making 2-stroke dirtbikes?

[zeppelin]

not just yet, not because of polution laws anyway. kawasaki already stoped making kx125's though, and i dodnt think the cr125 will last much longer either.

Originally posted by zeppelin
not just yet, not because of polution laws anyway. kawasaki already stoped making kx125's though, and i dodnt think the cr125 will last much longer either.


kawasaki DID NOT STOP MAKING 2006 125 STROKES they just stopped selling them in america go checks canada or eurpes kawasaki sites.

bada bing 2006 KX 125

[zeppelin]

looks like a left over 05 to me:ermm:

[DOHC]

Originally posted by Marshmello
kawasaki DID NOT STOP MAKING 2006 125 STROKES they just stopped selling them in america go checks canada or eurpes kawasaki sites.
LMAO we dont have them in canada there gone, and i agree with the cr 125's hondas two strokes r kinda out dated (but there very reliable) but i mean if u race two strokes cant compete with the 4 strokes they dont have enough torque to make the tripples and trust me honda is not behind on there 4 strokes :eek2: i just sold my 04 crf 250 for my 440ex

[Ruby Soho]

why havent that stopped making 2 stroke dirtbikes?

its the same as a quad right?

[zeppelin]

because dirt bike 2 strokes can be classified as a closed corse competition machine. the blaster and the banshee far from an mx quad.

[Mxjunkie]

Originally posted by zeppelin
because dirt bike 2 strokes can be classified as a closed corse competition machine. the blaster and the banshee far from an mx quad.

says who :p

[Hon300ex]

Originally posted by DOHC
LMAO we dont have them in canada there gone, and i agree with the cr 125's hondas two strokes r kinda out dated (but there very reliable) but i mean if u race two strokes cant compete with the 4 strokes they dont have enough torque to make the tripples and trust me honda is not behind on there 4 strokes :eek2: i just sold my 04 crf 250 for my 440ex

no, hes right. they do still sell them in canada. go here and scroll down for 2006 kx125. http://www.kawasaki.ca/motocross/ this is a canadian website.

[STEVENJANNA]

In there current form 2 strokes can not conform to the upcoming emission standards. I bet we haven't seen the end of them in the U.S. though. If you doubt it do some research on what Evinrude is doing with 2 stroke technology. They are getting more torque and horsepower out of there new outboards than any of the 4 strokes. They are more fuel efficient, they have half the emmissions and it's all done via fuel injection and fuel management software (which we are starting to see in the 4 strokes already). 2 Strokes aren't being banned, the factories just aren't doing the R&D to make them comply.

[trx400exxracer]

I heard gas gas came up with something like a exhaust device that makes the exhaust just as clean as 4-strokes

Originally posted by DOHC
LMAO we dont have them in canada there gone, and i agree with the cr 125's hondas two strokes r kinda out dated (but there very reliable) but i mean if u race two strokes cant compete with the 4 strokes they dont have enough torque to make the tripples and trust me honda is not behind on there 4 strokes :eek2: i just sold my 04 crf 250 for my 440ex

nevermind they still do make them in the united kingdom not canada(my bad)but thats not the point what im trying to say isthey still make them they just do not import/send them to USA or the whole of north america

http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/product.asp?Id=34006758AA5

Originally posted by zeppelin
looks like a left over 05 to me:ermm:

no not to me it doesnt

1 - different color silencer tips
2 - green sides on seat cover
3 - different graphics
4 - different color side cases
5 - darker anodized front forks on the 05
6 - darker rear shock rezzy on the 06

thats just by comparing the 2 pics

[omaits]

Originally posted by Marshmello
no not to me it doesnt

1 - different color silencer tips
2 - green sides on seat cover
3 - different graphics
4 - different color side cases
5 - darker anodized front forks on the 05
6 - darker rear shock rezzy on the 06

thats just by comparing the 2 pics

boooyaaa. Looks like he "showed you what was up."

[250R-Dee]

Japan spec '06 RM250
http://www1.suzuki.co.jp/motor/rm/images/250s.jpg


Japan spec '06 RM125
http://www1.suzuki.co.jp/motor/rm/images/125s.jpg

Japan Spec '06 KX65
http://www.kawasaki-motors.com/mc/kinfo/06new/kx65a/06KX65A-b.jpg

Japan spen '06 KX85
http://www.kawasaki-motors.com/mc/kinfo/06new/kx85a/06KX85A-b.jpg

Japan Spec '06 KX125
http://www.kawasaki-motors.com/mc/kinfo/06new/kx125m/06KX125M-b.jpg

Japan Spec '06 KX250
http://www.kawasaki-motors.com/mc/kinfo/06new/kx250r/06KX250R-b.jpg

Japan Spec '06 YZ125-YZ250
http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup/competition/yz250-125/detail/img/pic_001.jpg

Japan Spec '06 Yamaha RZ50 commuter
http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/mc/lineup/sportsbike/rz50/gallery/img/rz50_001_800.jpg

Japan spec '06 CR85
http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/cr85r/image/cr85r_index_main.jpg


There are also 125cc~250cc circuit bikes available over here.

Originally posted by Marshmello
kawasaki DID NOT STOP MAKING 2006 125 STROKES they just stopped selling them in america go checks canada or eurpes kawasaki sites. I wonder why they stopped selling them? Because they suck. No one is going to buy a brand spankin new bike that needs 3 grand worth of motorwork to keep up with a stock 250f.

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
I wonder why they stopped selling them? Because they suck. No one is going to buy a brand spankin new bike that needs 3 grand worth of motorwork to keep up with a stock 250f.

well i was gonna say that but i didnt feel like getting flamed

in a way its true and in away its not because then they would stop making the 250 pingers cus they also need work to keep up with a 450. But you never know some guys donts like the 4 -strokes theres 2 guys in ama arenacross using 125's and theyre actually doing pretty good.

[Rob Dob]

I don't know chit about dirt bikes, but pro rider Shane Watts rode for 4th overall at the Loretta Lynn's GNCC this past weekend. He rode a KTM 125sx. That's pretty impressive to me.

[Hon300ex]

Originally posted by Rob Dob
I don't know chit about dirt bikes, but pro rider Shane Watts rode for 4th overall at the Loretta Lynn's GNCC this past weekend. He rode a KTM 125sx. That's pretty impressive to me.

actually, the 125sx is the most powerful 125. it has as much HP as some 250f's but just over a shorter range.

[trx400exxracer]

Originally posted by Rob Dob
I don't know chit about dirt bikes, but pro rider Shane Watts rode for 4th overall at the Loretta Lynn's GNCC this past weekend. He rode a KTM 125sx. That's pretty impressive to me.

I was fixing to say that if he didnt ever hurt his wrist he would be up there with Salminen

[rmz250]

Originally posted by Hon300ex
actually, the 125sx is the most powerful 125. it has as much HP as some 250f's but just over a shorter range.

Its not even worth defending 2 strokes anymore, that generation is over.

[Hon300ex]

Originally posted by rmz250
Its not even worth defending 2 strokes anymore, that generation is over.

im not defending them, im stating facts. 250f's are def. better if you want to race competitively

im still a 2 stroke guy and will still defend them...anyone wanna debate PM me

[Stevie-D]

im gonna have to agree with ^ this guy ^ nothin like firing up a 2-stroke and ripping around on it. sure, i like a 4- stroke..but i still love a nice loud 2-stroke. i just sold my old yz465...ran like a raped ape and then some. shouldnt have sold it...

now i'm thinking about something a little newer. ridden all the new race quads. love riding them, but damn, the 2 bangers are fun:D

[rmz250]

2 strokes are still fun, I loved my rm 125. Its just 4 strokes are taking over because of popularity.

Originally posted by rmz250
2 strokes are still fun, I loved my rm 125. Its just 4 strokes are taking over because of popularity.

YES i totally agree If i was a full out racer, ever watch arena cross the 250's go doodoo all over some of those 450's. all it takes is for bubba to race a pinger 1 race and show up rc and maybe people will open up there eyes.I still dont think a 125 and a 250f are a good match those 250f's just pull on em all over the track .or have yokley or jones or gust to race a 250r just once what every body thinks is ooooo the pingers are so slow. NO wrong theyre not slow theyre just old and if honda and kawi and all those other makes had to put as much time in to the 250 pingers as they do to there 450's there would be a dream bike for every privateer or racer out there. I dont feel like getting flamed but i do fell like giving out my opinion and yeas the 4 bangers are the "New Thing" and nobody can really do anything about it i guess.

^^^finally someone knows what they are talking about up there ^^^^....2 strokes could be hella fast especially in quads if they would do some more research on them...:rolleyes: however i am a very very loyal 2 stroke rider and u wont ever find me adjusting any valves:D

Originally posted by Honda86
^^^finally someone knows what they are talking about up there ^^^^....2 strokes could be hella fast especially in quads if they would do some more research on them...:rolleyes: however i am a very very loyal 2 stroke rider and u wont ever find me adjusting any valves:D

hehe i do my homework I would love to have a 4 -stroke but thats also if i had a mechanic and a fat *** wallet theyre great bikes just nothing a 15 year (me) old can afford

[250R-Dee]

I will say this again.....

If the pros were still riding 2-strokes 80% of the 2-stroke haters would be kissing their butts and trying to emulate them.

A modern 250cc 2-stroke bike/ATV would be an ECM controlled, power valved, fuel injected and oil injected monster that wold apex 60hp from the factory with ease. Now tune that crap out of it with works parts and you'll have a 70~80hp steroid inducted goliath that woud destroy everything in sight.

I love anything with a motor but this 2-pinger/4-poke argument is getting worse that the import/domestic and Ford/Chevy squabbles.

[rmz250]

Originally posted by Marshmello
YES i totally agree If i was a full out racer, ever watch arena cross the 250's go doodoo all over some of those 450's. all it takes is for bubba to race a pinger 1 race and show up rc and maybe people will open up there eyes.I still dont think a 125 and a 250f are a good match those 250f's just pull on em all over the track .or have yokley or jones or gust to race a 250r just once what every body thinks is ooooo the pingers are so slow. NO wrong theyre not slow theyre just old and if honda and kawi and all those other makes had to put as much time in to the 250 pingers as they do to there 450's there would be a dream bike for every privateer or racer out there. I dont feel like getting flamed but i do fell like giving out my opinion and yeas the 4 bangers are the "New Thing" and nobody can really do anything about it i guess.

Why ride a 2 strokes when you can ride a 4 stroke and go 2x as fast? The fact is you can be lazy on a 4 stroke and still win.

Originally posted by rmz250
Why ride a 2 strokes when you can ride a 4 stroke and go 2x as fast? The fact is you can be lazy on a 4 stroke and still win.

if i wanted to be lazy i could just sit at home. Y even bother going to the track. thats y i barely even watch the sx and mx pro classes any more you know whos gonna win and theres nothing to it. I used to actually like watching em work the clutch and slide the bike around the corner on the pingers. thats y i only watch arenacross these days. those 2 smokers go doodoo over some of those 4 strokes. the 4 strokes arent that much faster its just the newer technology. if you put bubba on a 250 and then put tyler evans on a 450 r u gonna try to tell me evans is gonna win?:ermm:

[Hon300ex]

i also think that it is unfair to put a 250cc fourstroke in the same class as a 125 2 stroke. who has tested to see if these bikes are equall in power? cc's should matchup. 250f vs 250 2 stroke. then lets see how many people would ride 4 strokes. 4 strokes and 2 strokes shouldnt be in the same class imo. there totally different bikes. how come it took all of the companies so long to make a competitive racing 4 stroke? try to race a 4 stroke in the 70s-80's and you would have no chance. i have nothing against 4 strokes.... if i had enough money to maintain a high performance 4 stroke i would.... a 125 2 stroke is what i will be getting though.

^^^ i said that in another post and eveone thought i was stupid...they should either have a seperate class for 2 stroke and 4 stroke...or have a TRUE 250CC class...that is 250 4 stroke vs 250 2 strokes...then bump the 450s up to 500cc and make a 500CC 2 stroke & 4 stroke class, u have any idea what that could do for the already exploding sprot of MX?? then have a 125 class that is basically just 125 2 strokes or even 150cc 4 strokes...all the 2 stroke need is a even level battlefield and they dominate----end of debate.....i cant think of 1 even size motors where and 4 stroke wins...can anyone here??

[8my_Cash]

just wait fuel injected 2 stroke dirtbikes and quads




The application of OCP direct fuel injection to the two-stroke engine overcomes traditional deficiencies enabling exhaust emission levels to achieve ultimately California Ultra Low Emission Level (ULEV) status.

http://www.deq.state.mt.us/CleanSnowmobile/solutions/engine/modifications.asp

its going on snowmobiles .... its gonna be something to look out for

Originally posted by Hon300ex
i also think that it is unfair to put a 250cc fourstroke in the same class as a 125 2 stroke. who has tested to see if these bikes are equall in power? cc's should matchup. 250f vs 250 2 stroke. then lets see how many people would ride 4 strokes. 4 strokes and 2 strokes shouldnt be in the same class imo. there totally different bikes. how come it took all of the companies so long to make a competitive racing 4 stroke? try to race a 4 stroke in the 70s-80's and you would have no chance. i have nothing against 4 strokes.... if i had enough money to maintain a high performance 4 stroke i would.... a 125 2 stroke is what i will be getting though.

that will also be unfare I think that there should be a 450 and 250 thumper class and then a 250 and 125 pinger class

[coolex]

Originally posted by Marshmello
that will also be unfare I think that there should be a 450 and 250 thumper class and then a 250 and 125 pinger class

yup thats how it should be so everyone gets a fighting chance

bottomline is when yout put a 2 stroke vs a 4 stroke on a even battlefield (same size motor) the 2 stroke is faster everytime...u guys cant possibly think a 500 4 stroke cane compete with a CR500 do you?? Imagine if they put Cr500 motors in a quad frame and put it agenst the big bores, like pred, raptor, DS, Vforce...it would be good for a laugh...one company that dont hold back on the 2 stroke i think was ATK...they made a 620 2 stroke, and a 700 2 stroke that made 77HP STOCK...just look at the snowmoblie world..yamaha had to put in a crotch rocket motor to compete with the bigger 2 strokes and they still cant outrun a thundercat (1000cc triple 2 stroke)

And also for all those people that said 2 strokes would be gone by 2006, where is it?? look at all the snowmoblies and imagine if they took them all away today, all companys would drop flat on their face! Acctually artic cat and ski doo both just made new 800cc 2 stroke sleds that pump out huge HP

My 1994 artic cat 580 twin makes almost double HP then the new 2006 660 turbo 4 stroke sled, and oh yeah did i mention i got my sled for 900 dollars and the 4 stroke is about 6 grand??

[Mxjunkie]

Honestly I dont see how you would need 3 grand of motor work to keep up with a 250f. I will be one to ***** and whine because I am a 2 stroke guy at heart. I have seen guys on 125s go out and murder people and I have seen guys on 250fs go out and kill people on the track as well.

Now you can go out and have a kid on a 250r race a kid on a 450r and if the kid on the 250r is a better rider yes it will win. A bike doesnt magically make you better if the pros were allowed to ride 250r's again I'm sure quite a few of the gncc racers alone would go back.

I have to agree with the people saying about the pros running 4 strokes now everyones pro 4 stroke. I would put money on it if they were running 2 strokes still everyone wouldnt even diss 2 strokes. 2 strokes are what made the sport from the start!

[Ruby Soho]

i like 4 stroke and all.

but 2 stroke owns.

and like mxjunkie said, if 250rs were allowed im sure theyd be popular again.

and imagine if suzuki, and honda etc.. that had the 250s way back when. put all the technology and time as they do into thre 450s, but into 250s present day.

dunno if that makes sense:D

[trx400exxracer]

2-strokes might be over in the mx-sx world but when you go to a dirtbike woods race or gncc you see alot of them everywhere