Very Ignorant

[okieRrider]

in my opinion...lol I'm all for new ideas and getin-r-done....but an off the showroom r......wtf
http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=23707

[Mxjunkie]

Can you post the pictures you have to be a member of that site to view them :o

[WhiteYFZ]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
Can you post the pictures you have to be a member of that site to view them :o

[okieRrider]

i don't know how to do that...a guy bought a new 06 450r and cut the sucker in half to make a three wheeler with...the pictures are of him cutting and then the 2 pieces

[Aceman]

Originally posted by okieRrider
i don't know how to do that...a guy bought a new 06 450r and cut the sucker in half to make a three wheeler with...the pictures are of him cutting and then the 2 pieces

Wow.....I can totally picture that now.:p You should write a book with descriptions like that.lol.

[moto04racing]

thats something i would NEVER do!

[ShiftFMX]

I'll take one for the team...and join, lol

[ShiftFMX]

What an idiot!

[ShiftFMX]

:eek2: :rolleyes:

[insaneracin2003]

anyone need a front end.....sheesh,sum people have all the money...:ermm:

[WhiteYFZ]

lmao what a dumbass

[DirtDevilBT]

If you could only see how far my jaw has dropped. I think someone needs to get out of the 80's. I am having a hard time believing this guy.

O the nightmares I'll have tonight.

[250R-Dee]

It's his money so let him do whatever he wants. He's no bigger idiot than the people who destroy prefectly good TRX250R frames when they try to make a hybrid:(

[Plante400]

lol thats going to be a sick trike.. cant wait to see it.

[MR.BIG]

If he gets everything done correctly that should be a badass ride. 3 wheelers rule!

[Mxjunkie]

I like trikes but wtf! I could of used that darn 450 and he could cut my shee up for a darn trike..

[insaneracin2003]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
I like trikes but wtf! I could of used that darn 450 and he could cut my shee up for a darn trike..
NOW THAT^^ would be an awsome trike :cool:

[Mxjunkie]

Hahaha, It would be a death wish trike.

That guy is a moron though, wouldnt you rather take say a atc250r roller or a 350x and throw a crf motor in it? I guess quad guys have a little more brians :p I had a trike as well but I didnt cut it inhalf for a four wheeler.

I guess its the revenge of everyone in the early 90's making 350x's and such quads. :o

[DirtDevilBT]

Hahaha

I wish him the best of skills cause luck wont help him get that thing all square and level. Trikes have massive frames leading up to the forks though, I wonder how he's going to tie the forks into the frame and still use the subframe.

I would have done the 250R frame with CRF motor, then again I already have trouble keeping the front end down. Pfff, stupid trikes lmao

[Hon300ex]

are those the only pics?

[MoToX199]

its his money and he can spend it and do w.e he wants with it,but i do have to say that was a good way to waste a perfect quad

Ignorant? No. Creative. Yes.


I personally dont care for three wheelers but I'd like to see the out come of this project.

[Xowner]

Originally posted by insaneracin2003
NOW THAT^^ would be an awsome trike :cool:

it has already been done i cant find the pics but i have seen them

[Travis712]

Originally posted by Plante400
lol thats going to be a sick trike.. cant wait to see it.

werd man, it will be sick. Im on 3w.org, and that guy hasn't posted since..

[Plante400]

that thing is going to be Sweeet specially with the honda tag on it!

[Quad Killer]

I registered so i could respond and look at the 1st rule...


RULES

1. If you don't like someone, make believe you do or don't respond. Personal attacks will not be tolerated

dumbass, idiot, moron, ect, ect, ect,...

Now as far as getting out of the 80's You young riders should remember your ATV History. It was 3wheelers that created this sport. And in the 80's quads raced against 3wheelers and were consistantly beaten buy them. You see quads were invented so that those who did not posses the skills to ride a 3wheeler could ride. hense the quad, a three wheeler with training wheels.

as to wasting a quad...there disposable...plenty out there 1 missing will not make a differance.


As far as why i'm doing it i'm sick of riding the same 250R and 350X for the last 20yrs. while I have had no problem beating todays (or yesterdays) quads on these two 3wheelers i am having problems finding parts for them and i'm sick of repairing them. I want something new so i can still order parts from honda and not search ebay for used crap.

As far as using a 250R or 350X chassie, read above.

as far as brains, who has more brains someone who follows the crowd and buys what that masses buy OR someone with the skills to build what he wants despite what the manufactures offer and the generall masses think is best for him.


As far as using a banshee....

1. i hate Yammaha's,
2. it's been done before,
3. the conversion that was done used the stock frame which is
too long,
4. you could just put the banshee motor in a TRI-Z and have
almont the same thing since the rear suspension is almost identical.

As to why i used a Brand new quad...

1. i'm selling the front clip its more valuble new then used.
2. i don't buy used machines for personal use

[zeppelin]

i thought it was pretty creative, there are plenty of 450s to go around right now, its not like you choped up a 250r frame or some classic that is in limited supply. im really looking forward to seeing how this comes out. btw what kind of front end are you going to put on it. will it be inverted forks off of a newer bike or somthing form an atc? good luck.

oh and as for the whole personal attacks will not be tolerated thing, you were not a member when this thread was started ;)

[trick450r]

this should be interesting...at first i thought he cut up a showroom worthy 250r...then i saw it was a 450r and didnt care at all haha.....anyway the thing about quads being easier then trikes...which one made it somewhere in racing...not trikes

[Mxjunkie]

The only guy on a trike that I could see ever beating a quad is the dude from h5..


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Originally posted by Quad Killer

Now as far as getting out of the 80's You young riders should remember your ATV History. It was 3wheelers that created this sport. And in the 80's quads raced against 3wheelers and were consistantly beaten buy them. You see quads were invented so that those who did not posses the skills to ride a 3wheeler could ride. hense the quad, a three wheeler with training wheels.


I guess a 3wheeler is just a dirtbike with training wheels then, right?

http://eminencestudios.com/misc/timline.jpg

[NacsMXer]

Haha, you guys did a great job of busting this guys balls :p I'll admit, I was shocked at first, as I have never seen something like this done before. It is very creative though, and I would really like to see how the finished product turns out :macho

[Live2Ride300]

"it don't usually go bwaaammppp bwaaampppp"


Originally posted by Mxjunkie
The only guy on a trike that I could see ever beating a quad is the dude from h5..


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[ZSK]

I guess everyone can't get past the oh my god he cut up a precious 450r:huh

His intent is to make a modern trike, what would have been produced in 2006 if trikes were still being made.

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by trick450r
.....anyway the thing about quads being easier then trikes...which one made it somewhere in racing...not trikes

you may want to recheck your history...3wheelers INVENTED ATV racing. And up untill just recently NO factory was involved in Quad racing since the 80's. And never in quad racing was thier as much factory involvement as there was with 3wheelers. only untill just recently has quad racing become popular.


Originally posted by Mxjunkie

The only guy on a trike that I could see ever beating a quad is the dude from h5..

again check your history...in 1987 Baja 1000 Dean Sundahl while riding a factory backed Yamaha Banshee was beaten for the ATV overall by a couple of privateers on a GUESS WHAT a 1986 ATC 250R. And to add insult to injust "Dyno" Dean was the man who with Honda's help put ATV racing on the map and he was the main test rider involved in the creation of the 250R back in 1980

Also at Trikefest 2002 I beat a brand new raptor, brand new Z400, and brand new 400EX on my 1985 ATC 350X.

[Mxjunkie]

Yes but honestly, on a mx track or a gncc race there is NO way a pro trike rider can beat say John Natalie or Chris Borich.

i donno josh...

[Mxjunkie]

That is a drag bike, I'm talking a full on quad vs trike motocross and XC race.

[400exrules]

Originally posted by mjpridered10
i donno josh...


uhhh....yah, exactly what josh said, do you have a problem reading????? there is no way that thing with a pro rider could beat borich or natalie in a gnc or gncc race, that thing wouldnt even hold up to that kind of racing. i really dont know what your point in posting that pic was

a banshee will rip that thing up in a drag anyways

[BlasterEaten250]

Originally posted by mjpridered10
i donno josh...

[moto04racing]

im not sure

[nosliw]

people who put down creative ideas and pursuits are the ones who are "very ignorant".

[Mxjunkie]

Originally posted by nosliw
people who put down creative ideas and pursuits are the ones who are "very ignorant".

It's a great idea but it's just heart breaking seeing a brand new 450r cut in half :p

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
It's a great idea but it's just heart breaking seeing a brand new 450r cut in half :p

Not if you like Yamaha:D

i loose :eek2:

[rbgnwa45]

Why he would rather want a 3-wheeled 450R than a 4-wheeled 450R boggles the mind....

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
Yes but honestly, on a mx track or a gncc race there is NO way a pro trike rider can beat say John Natalie or Chris Borich.

again recheck your history...

back in the mid 80's quads and 3wheelers competed in the same class at many events.

in the PRO class 3wheelers beat quads on a regular basis in MX, Woods, Desert, and Hare scrambles. One of the best Quad riders of all Time Gary Denton was at best a mid pack pro on 3wheelers. it wasn't untill he switched to quads he started to win and only after seperate classes were formed. Additionaly severall years ago there was a legends race that involved many pro's from that era. they were "forced" to race quads. Severall former pro 3wheeler races admitted they would have been faster on thier "old" ATC's including one of the race leaders.

over the last 20yrs in my local area i have shown up to severall pro class races and not been alowed to race my trike with the quads. yet in non sanctioned races i have beaten quad pros on my trike.

now in todays day No 3wheeler pro rider is given the same oportunity that quad races have. Given and abundence of parts and resources not to mention the funding to train properly a pro ATC rider could be competative.

that some quad riders continue to dismiss the founding fathers and machines of this sport by saying they can not be competative with quads is nothing more the blind arogence and dismissive of the history that proves otherwise.

Originally posted by Quad Killer


over the last 20yrs in my local area i have shown up to severall pro class races and not been alowed to race my trike with the quads. yet in non sanctioned races i have beaten quad pros on my trike.

now in todays day No 3wheeler pro rider is given the same oportunity that quad races have. Given and abundence of parts and resources not to mention the funding to train properly a pro ATC rider could be competative.

Who the hell are these quad pros getting beat by 3 wheelers?

[jcv400ex]

I'm sorry guys, but he's right! You put Marty Hart on a 3 wheeler 20 years ago and Tim Farr on a 450R today, and I bet Marty would be him around the track a few times.


I miss my old 350x. They're a BLAST to ride in the woods. I bet people could still be competitive in a GNCC race on 3 wheels....

[MR.BIG]

It takes talent to ride a 3 wheeler (FAST) unlike a 4 wheeler which pretty much anybody can ride.

[Quad Killer]

"It takes talent to ride a 3 wheeler (FAST) unlike a 4 wheeler which pretty much anybody can ride."


very well said.

and if "my talent" is questioned...this should help settle it. of course these pics are old i've gotten a little better in the last 20yrs.

[Quad Killer]

350X's can have fun too

[Quad Killer]

and you think freestyle is something new???

[Quad Killer]

supposedly 3wheelers can't handle off cambers as well as quads...funny i never had a problem

[NET450r350x]

Quad Killer, great job. I would love to ride that thing when its done. My 450r if fun to ride but the old 3 wheelers are fun on a totally different level. I know i'm never selling my old 350x. Its the perfect trail trike. Its got power, suspension, and the tightest turning radius in the world.

Keep up the great work and keep us updated.

[insaneracin2003]

Quad Killer,i must say,i didnt like the idea of cutting a new 450r in half to make a trike.but the more i read and look back at the originater of the atv scene the more i am anticipating the outcome of your project.definately keep us informed of the progress of this project.

[Quad Killer]

And if my fabricating abilities are in question here is my last project ( i actually abandoned it just before completion to start this new one) It is a combination of TRX 250R, ATC 250R, ATC 350X, TRX 300EX, Mugan, and a custom aluminum swingarm and works ultra cross shock with over 10" of travel.

[Travis712]

QK, any updates yet?

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by Travis712
QK, any updates yet?

I promised 3wheeler.org at the start they would get exclusive rights to all first postings on this project. As of now the frame is being fabricated. when it is done i will post more pics at 3wheeler.org

[Travis712]

Oh ok. Well since i'm already subscribed at 3w.org, there shouldn't be a problem:macho

[Quad Killer]

here is a sneak preview of what it will look like. a member at 3wheeler.org created this on his computer. like this pic. i am using 2006 CRF 450r forks, brakes, gas tank, and shrouds, while the frame won't be the same as pictured (aluminum) it will be built very similar to this pic....oh and those stupid little black feet catchers won't be included ( thats a quad thing:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

[insaneracin2003]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
And if my fabricating abilities are in question here is my last project ( i actually abandoned it just before completion to start this new one) It is a combination of TRX 250R, ATC 250R, ATC 350X, TRX 300EX, Mugan, and a custom aluminum swingarm and works ultra cross shock with over 10" of travel.
Dayummmmmm :eek2: ,that is a badd mofo

[zeppelin]

just wondering, where are you going to get triple clamps big enough to fit the huge crf forks, and wide enough to use a ballon front tire?

[Quad Killer]

they are being custom fabricated at a machine shop that specializes in triple clamps. the only non honda parts will be the triple clamps, front hub, front fender, everything else will either be 06 trx 450r or 06 crf 450r. this way parts will be easily avalible.
this particular 3wheeler will be my "base" model. it will retain the electric start. when finished i would like to use a kickstart version to build a all out mx 450r with modified rear suspension/swingarm

[Quad Killer]

and if anyone is interested the complete front clip is for sale on ebay...http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9513283708&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

[DezSled]

I think this project is a cool one.

But quadkiller you need to correct your self on your history.... in the '87 Baja 1000 Dean Sundahl did win the overall on the Banshee. The team I was on finished sixth in class 24 that race. You need to check DW 3/88 pg 54-55... the pic on top of page 54 is of myself riding to the pine forest/Nuevo Junction. I had to ride over half the race due to a rider missing at Camalu, riding to Santo Tomas from Tres Pozos. Dusty Burwell / Greg Row won the 250cc 3 wheeler class. Robin Davis won the under 200 cc class 3 wheeler along with her sister Denise. Doug Roll (of Roll Design) and his brother Mike raced but DNF. That was the last year of 3 wheelers racing in SCORE. Yes I kept that old magazine.

Allen Fox beat everyone at Whiskey Pete's on a cr500 forked ATC250R including Dean Sundahl on his banshee around that time frame.

Team Honda raced to 3rd and 4th overall vehicle on a '85 or '86 ATC250R in one Baja 1000 beating ALL the trucks and buggies and all of the bikes except 2. It would never happen today. Impossible.

I still remember riding the dunes on a '85R pulling wheelies around the big bowls.... its alot harder to do on a quad. 3 Wheelers did rule in the days of old. I look forward to seeing your modern recreation of the 4 stroke 3wheeler. Post a pic of it if you would when its done.

[sickmojave]

Great Job Bill.. Can't wait to see it finished..:macho

[Plante400]

me neither
and you should make a bunch so i can buy one

[Derrick Adams]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie
Yes but honestly, on a mx track or a gncc race there is NO way a pro trike rider can beat say John Natalie or Chris Borich.



Mxjunkie

As a current trike racer, I wanted to give my input on this. I agree that it is very doubtful that even the best 3-wheeler racers could come close on the MX tracks with the pro's of today. You just simply can't turn a trike fast enough without flipping, no matter how far you lean out.
Now on a gncc course, I believe the outcome would be alot closer. I practically begged John Pellan to let us compete in the 6hrs of ATV America this year with a trike team, but insurance companies simply won't allow it.
I consistantly finish in the top 10 (usually top 5) in local 2hr Harescrambles on my trike, running against the likes of Laz Sommers from G.T. Thunder.
We also still race our trikes at the local MX tracks here in Ohio with competitive results, but like I said turning is the downfall of a trike.

Here's my MX trike for this year. It has a fully built engine and major suspension upgrades. Ohlins CR500 rear shock conversion w/ 12" travel and CR500 frok fork conversion w/ just over 10".

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by DezSled
I think this project is a cool one.

But quadkiller you need to correct your self on your history.... in the '87 Baja 1000 Dean Sundahl did win the overall on the Banshee.

Team Honda raced to 3rd and 4th overall vehicle on a '85 or '86 ATC250R in one Baja 1000 beating ALL the trucks and buggies and all of the bikes except 2. It would never happen today. Impossible.

Dean won the Quad overall not The ATV overall. Again it was won ( acording to Dirt Wheels ) by privateers on a 86 250R. I too have the magazine "somewhere"

as for the "Honda beats four of all kinds" year i belive it was 85. But remember the 3wheelers started behind the bikes and came up and passed all but the top two Riders on CR500's. as to why it could not be done today...simple 3wheelers are not allowed to race anymore but if it was done before there is no reason it could not be repeated.

Derrick, as a fellow 3wheeler junkie i welcome your support however you pointed out (albiet not on purpose) the biggest mistake people make on three wheelers...

"You just simply can't turn a trike fast enough without flipping, no matter how far you lean out."...

leaning waay out is not a effective way to turn a trike fast...i'll demonstrate what i mean at haspin...but keep this in mind. when turning a trike i never leave the seat...unless its for show slides which are not the fast way to turn a trike.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by Derrick Adams
Mxjunkie

As a current trike racer, I wanted to give my input on this. I agree that it is very doubtful that even the best 3-wheeler racers could come close on the MX tracks with the pro's of today. You just simply can't turn a trike fast enough without flipping, no matter how far you lean out.
Now on a gncc course, I believe the outcome would be alot closer. I practically begged John Pellan to let us compete in the 6hrs of ATV America this year with a trike team, but insurance companies simply won't allow it.
I consistantly finish in the top 10 (usually top 5) in local 2hr Harescrambles on my trike, running against the likes of Laz Sommers from G.T. Thunder.
We also still race our trikes at the local MX tracks here in Ohio with competitive results, but like I said turning is the downfall of a trike.

Here's my MX trike for this year. It has a fully built engine and major suspension upgrades. Ohlins CR500 rear shock conversion w/ 12" travel and CR500 frok fork conversion w/ just over 10".


That is one of the nicest three wheelers I have ever seen!

[airfoolerATC]

as I said before on 3ww.org, awesome trike dude. Just because a few people that are to scared to ride 3 bash it doesnt mean anything. im starting to think about doing this to a few quads lying around here that could be had for pretty cheap. Nothing like an 06 450R (too much $$$) but like quadsports, blasters, mojaves, 400ex, and a few others. not enough time or money yet but hopefully that will change soon. Until then, nice work!

[sly400ex]

I'm digging the trikes.....long live 3 wheelers!:cool:

[jeremy_283]

it wuld be a nice trike but.... new....cut in half........ thats just plain wrong

[SpeedBump]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
here is a sneak preview of what it will look like. a member at 3wheeler.org created this on his computer. like this pic. i am using 2006 CRF 450r forks, brakes, gas tank, and shrouds, while the frame won't be the same as pictured (aluminum) it will be built very similar to this pic....oh and those stupid little black feet catchers won't be included ( thats a quad thing:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

Kinda fun converting things......Like Killer, I too don't like to be one of many. I don't think Trikes are nearly as fast in competition against the high performance Quads of today, (Or will EVER be due to plain old Physics) but that doesn't mean they are any less FUN to ride. I am sure he will be able to beat alot of Riders on 3 or 4 wheels, but if it comes up against the likes of any of the Pros out there riding today, he will look SLOW for sure. We don't exactly LIKE each other because of some issues in the past and our disagreement over this very point. I am VERY eager to see his project finished and out racing/trail riding. I wanted to do the same conversion as he is doing, but I would never chop up a BRAND NEW machine due to funds. Too much money invested for me. Glad he can do it.

I went a bit cheaper route....find a fairly well ridden 2001 CR 250R motorcycle and build from that. I am sure it will not handle as well as the quad conversion, but in the end, it will be as fun for me to ride. The all aluminum frame is gonna be traick as well!

[CHAR250R]

I've been riding trikes for years. They are not as easy to ride as some of you may think. If you can go fast on a trike, you can go fast on a quad.

[1fst400]

Originally posted by rbgnwa45
Why he would rather want a 3-wheeled 450R than a 4-wheeled 450R boggles the mind....

me to.
I have an atc 200. I give props to anyone that can ride one of them things! no suspetintion in the rear, just on the front forks there is like 2 inches of travel. the thing is absolutly imposbile to corner at anything over 10 mph. lmao. It still has the stock tires on it. thing is old!

[airfoolerATC]

Originally posted by 1fst400
me to.
I have an atc 200. I give props to anyone that can ride one of them things! no suspetintion in the rear, just on the front forks there is like 2 inches of travel. the thing is absolutly imposbile to corner at anything over 10 mph. lmao. It still has the stock tires on it. thing is old!

Cool, I have the same trike, an 84 Honda ATC 200s. Dude, if you cant turn it at anything over 10 miles an hour that just means your not riding it right. This is nothing personal against you, but Ive heard this from too many people.

If you just sit on the thing and turn the bars at a higher speed, of course the thing will try to go up on one side and tip over, thats just physics right there. However, if you lean into the turn, shift your wieght right and throw the rear end the other way, that little 200s will do things you wouldnt think possible, lol. You have to be able to go in and out of controlled power slides, and be able to balance it on 2 wheels when need be.

If you think the 200 is hard, try doing that stuff on an old atc 90. that was the first atv I ever rode, no rear suspension, squishy balloon tires, if you can ride one of those right its not too hard to pick up anything else. Anyways, yeah dude get that old 200 out and do some sliding. Then when your done play in some mud puddles:cool:

[pastfast125]

Originally posted by FQX Ryder
I guess a 3wheeler is just a dirtbike with training wheels then, right?

You sir, are my hero;)

[Mxjunkie]

this beast is my banshee 3 wheeler conversion. I

my first ride. a 1982 ATC70 that still runs perfect. this thing is so dangerous compared to my quad I love it

[1fst400]

lol, incase that gets deleted

Originally posted by 1fst400
lol, incase that gets deleted how do you know i didnt have a little one on under the whited out part? :blah:

[1fst400]

I dont think we are on the same page about the atc 200. there is NO way this thin can power slide. Mabie if I had it tacked out and hit the rear brakes I could slide it. or if it had aftermarket tires that wernt balloon like. But otherwise, I dont think so.

[1fst400]

Originally posted by MixMasterMike
how do you know i didnt have a little one on under the whited out part? :blah:

I gues it could have been one of them open face helmets. lol, I bet it had the little visor to. lmao

this is the one http://www.trx450r.org/forum/uploads/av-163.jpg

[jeremy_283]

Originally posted by Superman Sam
http://eminencestudios.com/misc/timline.jpg


THE BIG BANG HAPENED LIKE 4 BILLION YEARS AGO IF YOU SCALED THIS ALL DOWN INTO ONE YEAR LIFE HAS BEEN DEVELOPING FROM JANUARY TO DECEMBER 26 AND HUMANS ON THE SCALE WOULD ONLY BE HERE ................ I WILL MAKE A PIC

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
as for the "Honda beats four of all kinds" year i belive it was 85. But remember the 3wheelers started behind the bikes and came up and passed all but the top two Riders on CR500's. as to why it could not be done today...simple 3wheelers are not allowed to race anymore but if it was done before there is no reason it could not be repeated.


.....Have you seen the present day races? How fast the bikes are going?

ANY rider, on ANY trike, would in NO possible way..catch up to the likes of Johnny Cambell, Steve Hengeveld, Andy Grider, etc.....there is just no possible way. Period.


Originally posted by MR.BIG
It takes talent to ride a 3 wheeler (FAST) unlike a 4 wheeler which pretty much anybody can ride.

....you need to compare apples to apples here. You can't say that ANYBODY can jump on a quad and ride it, but only a select few can ride a trike fast. Yeah, not ANYBODY can jump on a trike, and haul a$s...BUT, the same goes for quads. Not everyone can just fire it up and keep up with Natalie


Originally posted by Quad Killer

and if "my talent" is questioned...this should help settle it. of course these pics are old i've gotten a little better in the last 20yrs.

To be PERFECTLY honest with you. Not trying to trully offend you. BUT, seeing the level of quads and bikes today, those pictures don't particularly impress me.

[fasterblaster09]

To be PERFECTLY honest with you. Not trying to trully offend you. BUT, seeing the level of quads and bikes today, those pictures don't particularly impress me. [/B][/QUOTE]

Me either....IF he was on a quad, but since its a 3 wheeler, they do

[prepracing]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
supposedly 3wheelers can't handle off cambers as well as quads...funny i never had a problem


Yeah....that field looks really rough :rolleyes:

[fast_enough]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
oh and those stupid little black feet catchers won't be included ( thats a quad thing:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

Just like paint right? (thats a 90's thing :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:), I really do dig the swingarm, piece of solid aluminum? What else do you have down your sleeve, heck I dont even see a chain...Must be shaft driven?

[Quad Killer]

..."To be PERFECTLY honest with you. Not trying to trully offend you. BUT, seeing the level of quads and bikes today, those pictures don't particularly impress me.

Me either....IF he was on a quad, but since its a 3 wheeler, they do..."

ok, but compare them to quads pics 20yrs ago...not even close. trying to compare todays riding with 20yrs ago is like trying to compare Ricky Charmichel to Bob Hannah. or a 85 quad racer to a 2006 450R. i mearly posted those pics to show what i was doing 20yrs ago. i've gotten a "little" better in those 20years.


...".....Have you seen the present day races? How fast the bikes are going?..."

if a 1986 ATC 250R is competative with a 1986 CR500 ( that has twice the displacement) then why would a 2006 ATC 450R not be competative with a CR 450 in the same conditions. YOUR argument makes no sense.


..."ANY rider, on ANY trike, would in NO possible way..catch up to the likes of Johnny Cambell, Steve Hengeveld, Andy Grider, etc.....there is just no possible way. Period...."

that is just plane ignorant. You have No idea, your only making an assumption based on your experiance. Just because You've never seen it happen does not mean it can't.

All i see from the doubters is fear. instead of opening your minds to the possibilties your closed mindedness exposes your insecurities

[fasterblaster09]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quad Killer
[B]..."To be PERFECTLY honest with you. Not trying to trully offend you. BUT, seeing the level of quads and bikes today, those pictures don't particularly impress me.

Me either....IF he was on a quad, but since its a 3 wheeler, they do..."

ok, but compare them to quads pics 20yrs ago...not even close. trying to compare todays riding with 20yrs ago is like trying to compare Ricky Charmichel to Bob Hannah. or a 85 quad racer to a 2006 450R. i mearly posted those pics to show what i was doing 20yrs ago. i've gotten a "little" better in those 20years.


------I was saying that they DO impress me for being a 3-wheeler 20 years ago...I wasn't agreeing with him.I must have worded it wrong.------

[CannondaleRider]

Alright bro, build your "factory" ATC450R, and try to go somewhere in racing. Have fun dude.

[JOEX]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
Alright bro, build your "factory" ATC450R, and try to go somewhere in racing. Have fun dude.
Not everyone use their ATV's for racing;) :D

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by JOEX
Not everyone use their ATV's for racing;) :D

I was mainly saying that because he was talking about ATC's catching the modern day bikes.

Also, left it out before. Even a ATC450R wouldn't catch the bikes (450 or 650) just based on suspension abilities. You put years and years of suspension technology and testing into a ATC450R, then maybe. But as of now, there is no technology out there, to make a trike have the abilities to go as fast as a bike in the 1000...no way.

[NET450r350x]

After building the trike, build a time machine and bring it back to the 80's when it would still be competitive. :D

Just joking. You still have, and always will have my full support on this project. Keep us updated.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
Alright bro, build your "factory" ATC450R, and try to go somewhere in racing. Have fun dude.

Dude if you are not interested in his project then stay the hell out of this thread for the people who are. You ride a cannondale look how far technology took them. Bankrupt! Keep us posted on this project I think it is an awesome build and half of the people have never even road three wheelers and the ones who did probably kept running there legs over because it was to difficult to handle.

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
I was mainly saying that because he was talking about ATC's catching the modern day bikes.

Also, left it out before. Even a ATC450R wouldn't catch the bikes (450 or 650) just based on suspension abilities. You put years and years of suspension technology and testing into a ATC450R, then maybe. But as of now, there is no technology out there, to make a trike have the abilities to go as fast as a bike in the 1000...no way.

before you put your foot in your mouth maybe you should check out your own forums...http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230696&perpage=15&pagenumber=4... seems like this guy on a 20YR old 250R is getting as much air or more then most of the NEW quads.

as far as racing well for some reason most quad classes won't allow trikes. compared to when 3wheeler classes did allow trikes.

MR BIG more updates are coming soon over at 3wheeler.org. then someone can link them here.

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
before you put your foot in your mouth maybe you should check out your own forums...

as far as racing well for some reason most quad classes won't allow trikes. compared to when 3wheeler classes did allow trikes.

Possibly you should too. I'd hope that "3wheeler" classes would allow trikes seeing that they are the same thing. :rolleyes:

[exboy]

so how long until ur done with this thing?

[airfoolerATC]

Originally posted by fandl450r
Possibly you should too. I'd hope that "3wheeler" classes would allow trikes seeing that they are the same thing. :rolleyes:

Wow good catch, Im sure that totally wasnt a mistake and he definilty didnt mean to say quads there. I didnt even notice it, I knew what he meant and Im pretty sure you did too. Also, the dude used to race them and now he is building one Im pretty sure he knows they're the same thing.

Just reading this thread I have to wonder how many of you have actually ridden a trike, and arent just going off stuff you have heard from people who rode over their leg or flipped over. Ive ridden quads and it was alright, but I didnt like the clumsy feeling of more weight on the front but you dont see me buring your golf carts. Got off the 400ex and on my 250R and it was a night and day difference in manuevablilty (spelling?).

Took my cousins 2002 500cc suzuki utility through mud and it was cool, lots of power. Then I got on my little ATC 200s with mud tires on the back, l went through all out and kept the front tire up, freakin thing got throw with no problems jsut as fast as the quad. Snow is the same way, you get on the trike and throw your weight to one side and you can do some wicked sliding, I tried it on the 230 quad sport and got bored it felt like a car... and the trike has 20+ years of wear and tear!!!!

anyways, sorry to piss anyone off, I like the site most of you guys seem to really know your stuff, I just got sick of seeing people bash this guy for no reason other than being ignorant. 3 wheels forever...

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by airfoolerATC
Wow good catch, Im sure that totally wasnt a mistake and he definilty didnt mean to say quads there. I didnt even notice it, I knew what he meant and Im pretty sure you did too. Also, the dude used to race them and now he is building one Im pretty sure he knows they're the same thing.

Thanks for the correction, I mean I couldn't have possibly deciphered whether he was just that ignorant or that it may have been a typo. Give me a break, of course I knew what he meant, but that's the atmosphere of this forum. Learn to take a joke and/or sarcasm. Oh and by the way, great first couple posts. :rolleyes:

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
You ride a cannondale look how far technology took them. Bankrupt!

There sudden jump in technology was not what caused the bankruptcy, it was their willingness to help anybody and everybody they could, and not having enough financial support from their investor, Pegasus. Pegasus made the decision to pull the plug, causing Cannondale to go under.

There is still not a quad that has caught up to the Cannondales technology wise, the LT-R is close, but still not there.

You can ***** all you want about them being unreliable. Look at the stats. In the relm of how many quads and bikes they made, a very small percentage had reliablity issues. But all you heard about was those. People would show up asking how to fix it. The rest of the Cannondales, that stayed running great, you didn't hear about. Whos gonna come on a forum saying that they're Cannondale has been running perfect, for the whole time...they're to busy riding....I'll take this time to say it though, My Cannondale is running GREAT, yeah, its worked to the gills, but it hasn't given me a slight hiccup, and it is easily just as fast as the Pro 450Rs in the WORCS series.....I just need to up my skills to their level, lol.

The new race bikes have issues also, but you guys don't seem to care about that. Everyone just focuses on Cannondale problems, whether they know the slightest thing about the quad or not.

[Xowner]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
There sudden jump in technology was not what caused the bankruptcy, it was their willingness to help anybody and everybody they could, and not having enough financial support from their investor, Pegasus. Pegasus made the decision to pull the plug, causing Cannondale to go under.

There is still not a quad that has caught up to the Cannondales technology wise, the LT-R is close, but still not there.

You can ***** all you want about them being unreliable. Look at the stats. In the relm of how many quads and bikes they made, a very small percentage had reliablity issues. But all you heard about was those. People would show up asking how to fix it. The rest of the Cannondales, that stayed running great, you didn't hear about. Whos gonna come on a forum saying that they're Cannondale has been running perfect, for the whole time...they're to busy riding....I'll take this time to say it though, My Cannondale is running GREAT, yeah, its worked to the gills, but it hasn't given me a slight hiccup, and it is easily just as fast as the Pro 450Rs in the WORCS series.....I just need to up my skills to their level, lol.

The new race bikes have issues also, but you guys don't seem to care about that. Everyone just focuses on Cannondale problems, whether they know the slightest thing about the quad or not.


ahhh shut up!


this thread was about the atc450r take you nagging some were else

[ghost450]

Originally posted by Xowner
ahhh shut up!


this thread was about the atc450r take you nagging some were else

HILARIOUS!!:D :D

I think the trike will look badass.

[airfoolerATC]

Originally posted by fandl450r
Thanks for the correction, I mean I couldn't have possibly deciphered whether he was just that ignorant or that it may have been a typo. Give me a break, of course I knew what he meant, but that's the atmosphere of this forum. Learn to take a joke and/or sarcasm. Oh and by the way, great first couple posts. :rolleyes:

Sorry man, it wasnt you or anything, I was just reading this thread and read a bunch of people bashing this idea and I guess I let it piss me off. I can take a joke and normally I dont have anything to do with the flame posts. Today I had 2 finals and I shouldnt have been on atv sites but I was and read about 3 wheeler hating, lol, my brain couldnt handle it. But hey anyways Im all done with the tests, I realized you were just be sarcastic and not trying to be a jerk, sorry that I came out to be one. peace

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by airfoolerATC
Sorry man, it wasnt you or anything, I was just reading this thread and read a bunch of people bashing this idea and I guess I let it piss me off. I can take a joke and normally I dont have anything to do with the flame posts. Today I had 2 finals and I shouldnt have been on atv sites but I was and read about 3 wheeler hating, lol, my brain couldnt handle it. But hey anyways Im all done with the tests, I realized you were just be sarcastic and not trying to be a jerk, sorry that I came out to be one. peace

Don't worry about it. I know the feeling finals always suck.

[airfoolerATC]

cool thanks man

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by exboy
so how long until ur done with this thing?

well certain things have been out of my control. first i had to buy a lazy mans electric start model because my dealer only ordered them. he tried for two months to get me a kick start but in order to get it done soon i went with electric. now i'm waiting on the machine shop to finish my triple clamps. then when they are done...in about a week and half according to him...i can have the front hub built. since this is all on-off stuff all new programs have to be written up. I ran into a problem using the gas tank i originally wanted to use...a acerbis 2.9 gal CR tank. the extra capacity area would interfere with the turning, so i have to go with a stock 1.9 gal CRF R tank. hopefully if i want extra capacity the 2.2 gal. CRF X tank will also work. I had originally wanted a larger tank since it will be a electric start "trail" trike then use a CR tank for a kick start MX model. oh well, such as custom on off's.

and MR canondale rider...did you know canondale was building a 3wheeler as well??? seems like they saw something with 3wheelers too. Oh, and if they were/are so reliable why then did ATK who bought the old designs redesign the motor. and why duid dineli who bought out canodale rework the whole machine...hmmm something to think about.

p.s. next time try to start your own thread instead of hijacking mine.

[STEVENJANNA]

I'm curious about some specs. on your project. When you get it finished could you please give us some details. I think that there are a couple things that eveyone is missing here. What are the 2 biggest things that make bikes faster than quads on the mx track.....? Weight and suspension travel. So with this in mind why wouldn't a "new" 450 trike not be faster on an mx track than a similar quad? I grew up riding and racing trikes and I think that quad killer has a good project going here. I think that any of you who have a negative post about him or his project or trikes in general either when born after 1985 and have never really spent anytime on trikes or you're just plain scarred.

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by Quad Killer


and MR canondale rider...did you know canondale was building a 3wheeler as well??? seems like they saw something with 3wheelers too. Oh, and if they were/are so reliable why then did ATK who bought the old designs redesign the motor. and why duid dineli who bought out canodale rework the whole machine...hmmm something to think about.

p.s. next time try to start your own thread instead of hijacking mine.

Well, people keep telling me to stop hijacking this thread, but if your replying to my topic still, i'll keep relplying.

Cannondale wasn't building a trike, where did you EVER hear that. A couple wrenches at the Cannondale Factory, including one I know Steve Maslanik, thought it would be entertaining to make a trike, so they threw a quad rear end on an X440 bike, because they mount the same. Not like it was going to be put "into production" or something, get your story straight.

http://www.cannondaler.com/albums/album48/maslanikssecret.jpg

Also, ATK didn't redesign the motor, they finessed it to make it a little better, slight changes here and there...changes that Cannondale was already doing before Pegasus stopped their ideas in their tracks.

Haha...Dinli?...have you seen that bike? Have you seen ANY of their designs, they're a f*cking joke. By the way, they arn't doing anything with the Cannondale design anyways. They totally f*cked it up, added tons of weight, made it a joke, then dropped any of their ideas.

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
I'm curious about some specs. on your project. When you get it finished could you please give us some details.


I can tell you this. it is using CRF forks modified for the weight of the 3wheeler and set to match the rear suspension. The geometry will mimic my old 86 HRC/MUGEN 250R. the weight i'm hoping to get around 275lbs or less. i ordered oversized CRF radiators to compensate for the extra wide front tire blocking CR radiators that normally have a skinny tire and so i would not have to run the TRX fan. (to much B.S. and weight.)


Originally posted by CannondaleRider Not like it was going to be put "into production" or something [/B]

did i say PRODUCTION??? get YOUR STORY STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.

and i never HEARD it. I bid on them when they were auctioning of there inventory.

and if you call a whole new piston to name just one change "finess" then you can't be helped.

end of canondale story...go start your own thread

I think STEVENJANNA said it best


Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
you're just plain scarred.

At one time CannondaleRider I thought you knew what you were talking about in your threads but if you wanted to save any reputation you had you would of STFU a long time ago. Quit bashing this awesome project. Keep up the progress QuadKiller, I can't wait to get a hard on from the pics when you're done :blah:

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by Quad Killer


did i say PRODUCTION??? get YOUR STORY STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.

and i never HEARD it. I bid on them when they were auctioning of there inventory.

and if you call a whole new piston to name just one change "finess" then you can't be helped.

end of canondale story...go start your own thread

I think STEVENJANNA said it best

You sure as hell jumped to conclusions didn't you...you said that they were building a trike, they actually just put 2 ends of different bikes together, about 10 minutes of work, for a quick laugh.

The new piston was to put it to a 450 bro, because the new race bikes are what? 450's....They didn't make DRASTIC changes, because the old design was horrible. They made slight changes that the motor did need....but, think about it, what do the big brands of today do every year, MAKE SLIGHT CHANGES.

Also, to the idea of me bashing the project. I'm not bashing the project. Have fun with it, build it, ride it, whatever. It's just one of the 1000's of 450R's built, it bothers me none that your building it...BUT, it does bother me, that some people have no knowledge of current technology, and racing. I'm just stating MY opinion on some of these things, same as everyone else has done.

Again, you keep telling me to start my own thread, but yet you always come back with a reply to what i'm talking about. Do you expect me to not reply when your statements are wrong?

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
You sure as hell jumped to conclusions didn't you...you said that they were building a trike, they actually just put 2 ends of different bikes together, about 10 minutes of work, for a quick laugh.

The new piston was to put it to a 450 bro, because the new race bikes are what? 450's....They didn't make DRASTIC changes, because the old design was horrible. They made slight changes that the motor did need....but, think about it, what do the big brands of today do every year, MAKE SLIGHT CHANGES.

Again, you keep telling me to start my own thread, but yet you always come back with a reply to what i'm talking about. Do you expect me to not reply when your statements are wrong? GET OUT OF THIS THREAD!

edit- JOEX

Mike, why don't you do what the pic you posted said:rolleyes:

[CannondaleRider]

haha...I find it so damn funny that we can argue(argument = both sides replying), but yet i'm the instigator, and need to stop hijacking the thread....want me to stop replying?...stop talking to me about MY subject.

Just because i'm not on YOUR side, i'm in the wrong, and don't have the right to be here, right?

Whatever guys, have fun with the build, and remember to know your info first.

[CHAR250R]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
It takes talent to ride a 3 wheeler (FAST) unlike a 4 wheeler which pretty much anybody can ride.


I have been saying this for years.

[Quad Killer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CannondaleRider
Also, to the idea of me bashing the project. I'm not bashing the project. Have fun with it, build it, ride it, whatever. It's just one of the 1000's of 450R's built, it bothers me none that your building it...

BUT, it does bother me, that some people have no knowledge of current technology, and racing. [QUOTE]

just 1 of 1000 450R's...what are you talking about how many other 2006 450R 3wheelers have you seen???

and i hope you are not refuring to me with that statement because you may want to retract it.

i started racing in 1986 probably before you were born. I've raced 2 wheelers, 3wheelers, and 4 wheelers, i've raced supercross, arena cross, outdoor MX, woods, ice, I'm also a former Honda mechanic and was a service manager/ mechanic for a high perfomance/customizing shop. I have wrenched for pro riders in supercross, outdoor nationals, hare scrambles, and dirt track. i've customised everything from Honda z50's to harley davidsons. One shop i worked for was offered a canondale dealership and we turned them down.

i "think" i know what i'm talking about.

maybe you should listen to yourself

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CannondaleRider
and remember to know your info first.[QUOTE]

and i went back to something you said...

[QUOTE] Originally posted by CannondaleRider
I was mainly saying that because he was talking about ATC's catching the modern day bikes. [QUOTE]

you may want to re-read what i said. I said 86 250R's were beating 86 CR's no were did i say 86 ATC's were beating new bikes.


p.s. canondale is not "current" technology. But my 3wheel 450R is. and i'll race you anytime anyplace when it's done...

[fandl450r]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
just 1 of 1000 450R's...what are you talking about how many other 2006 450R 3wheelers have you seen???

I think you misread what he said. He's just saying that it doesn't bother him that you are chopping up one of the 1000's of 450R quads built.

why dont you make your own posts JOEX instead of editing the words in mine? :rolleyes:

edit- JOEX Just trying to keep the garbage out of here:rolleyes:
the pic you posted did nothing to benefit this thread, kinda like most of your posts:ermm:

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by Quad Killer

just 1 of 1000 450R's...what are you talking about how many other 2006 450R 3wheelers have you seen???

and i hope you are not refuring to me with that statement because you may want to retract it.

i started racing in 1986 probably before you were born. I've raced 2 wheelers, 3wheelers, and 4 wheelers, i've raced supercross, arena cross, outdoor MX, woods, ice, I'm also a former Honda mechanic and was a service manager/ mechanic for a high perfomance/customizing shop. I have wrenched for pro riders in supercross, outdoor nationals, hare scrambles, and dirt track. i've customised everything from Honda z50's to harley davidsons. One shop i worked for was offered a canondale dealership and we turned them down.

i "think" i know what i'm talking about.

maybe you should listen to yourself


and i went back to something you said...


you may want to re-read what i said. I said 86 250R's were beating 86 CR's no were did i say 86 ATC's were beating new bikes.


p.s. canondale is not "current" technology. But my 3wheel 450R is. and i'll race you anytime anyplace when it's done...

Read posts a few times before you throw out your answers. I was talking about the 1000s of FOUR FIFTY R's that have been built...the real 450R's, the factory 450Rs...not YOUR 450R...meaning I don't give a **** that you chopped one up. If you were to chop up some extremely rare bike, then it may agrivate me, but your not, so it doesn't matter to me.

I don't care how long you've been racing, or been involved in the scene. A 3-wheeler(past, or current), will not catch the current bikes in the 1000. BECAUSE you don't have the jump in technology that the bikes have got over the years. IF you did, then it would be possible...But as of now, you don't have the 10? 20? years of technology that the bikes have recieved....If it were to happen, i'd be impressed. But there is no way to know, because trikes can't race in a big racing series like SCORE....so lets give up on this argument, its a matter of opinion.

About you knowing everything else....you sure "knew" alot of things about Cannondale/ATK/Dinli that were wrong

If you think your "450R" is more technological then a Cannondale, then that leads me to believe you know NOTHING about Cannondales, or have ever seen one. Aluminum Twin-Spar Frame, Optimum Electronic Fuel Injection.......whatever, i won't go into detail, its obvious that you don't care.

http://www.vjforums.com/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif

[aaronqjones]

Thats funny. First post. WOO HOO.
Love the 3wheelers.

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
Read posts a few times before you throw out your answers.


you should listen to your own adivce...tell me MR. KNOW IT ALL..

I originally said back in the 86 a 86 250R was competative with 86 TRX's and 86 CR's to the point of beating them both in PRO class racing in many differant type of events. NOW using that logic (86 vs. 86) thier is no reason why a 06 ATC could not be competative with 06 CR's and TRX's unless of course basic geometry has changed somehow in 20yrs.. yes both 2 and 4 wheelers have advanced over thier 86 counterparts, ( i'm not, nor did i ever say they did not) BUT, and listen (read closley) if 3wheeler technology advanced as well (which is what i'm trying to do) then it stands to reason they would be competative. HOWEVER after reading your replys i've come to understand you do not have reasoning powers.

as for you tech comparison between canondale and 450R. do not think your prettly little golf cart is anything new. fuel injection and aluminum frames are nothing new (maybe on a golf cart ) but when they do not work as good as the tried and true alternate, being "DIFFERANT" does not make it better.

and if your mind is still not able to comprehend this think of ALL THE PRO's who RACED FOR A LIVING that still raced "OLD" 87-89 TRX 250R based technology (which is nothing more then 86 ATC technology) before the 450R's ( yamaha & honda ) came out and the Canondale WAS avalible. A pro racer is going to use the equipment that gives him/her the best chance to win. REGARDLESS of "brand loyalty"

enjoy your canondale...someone has too. but a 450R regadless of how many wheels it has will walk all over a canondale.

And i wont even go into how much of a "ROACH" the canondale bike is/was.

NOW MOVE ALONG>>>

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
you should listen to your own adivce...tell me MR. KNOW IT ALL..

I originally said back in the 86 a 86 250R was competative with 86 TRX's and 86 CR's to the point of beating them both in PRO class racing in many differant type of events. NOW using that logic (86 vs. 86) thier is no reason why a 06 ATC could not be competative with 06 CR's and TRX's unless of course basic geometry has changed somehow in 20yrs.. yes both 2 and 4 wheelers have advanced over thier 86 counterparts, ( i'm not, nor did i ever say they did not) BUT, and listen (read closley) if 3wheeler technology advanced as well (which is what i'm trying to do) then it stands to reason they would be competative. HOWEVER after reading your replys i've come to understand you do not have reasoning powers.

as for you tech comparison between canondale and 450R. do not think your prettly little golf cart is anything new. fuel injection and aluminum frames are nothing new (maybe on a golf cart ) but when they do not work as good as the tried and true alternate, being "DIFFERANT" does not make it better.

and if your mind is still not able to comprehend this think of ALL THE PRO's who RACED FOR A LIVING that still raced "OLD" 87-89 TRX 250R based technology (which is nothing more then 86 ATC technology) before the 450R's ( yamaha & honda ) came out and the Canondale WAS avalible. A pro racer is going to use the equipment that gives him/her the best chance to win. REGARDLESS of "brand loyalty"

enjoy your canondale...someone has too. but a 450R regadless of how many wheels it has will walk all over a canondale.

And i wont even go into how much of a "ROACH" the canondale bike is/was.

NOW MOVE ALONG>>>


You are quite entertaining.

A 450R will walk all over a Cannondale?....you've never rode one, or rode with one have you. Stock for Stock, or Mod for Mod, a Cannondale is faster...flat out.

Also, If you think the Cannondales were a "roach", you need to think again. They have gobs of power and handle great. I've rode a 450R(Pipe, Filter, Elka front end, GPR Stabalizer, few other things), right after riding a stock Cannondale....the 450R was a pig, and handled like *****. It may be all personal preference, but I was 2x faster on the Dale then the 450R. I wouldn't be able to stand racing a 450R...unless it had TONS of work done to it...which takes TONS of money...unlike Cannondales. I made mine Pro-Level, for half the price it would take to build a 450R to the same level, power and suspension.

Lastly...did I say anything about the aluminum frame and EFI being on the Cannondale first?...no, i did not. I said that it is on a Cannondale, unlike the 450R.....I said that, because you believe the 450R is a more modern technology bike. You can't say aluminum frames are not a good advance in technology, most all modern MX motorcycles have the twin spar aluminum set-up. Why the new race bikes don't use them, i don't know. I've never had a problem with my frame, I love the design, the simplicity to work on, and i've never had a problem with strength....As for the EFI..do you think the new LT-R would have EFI if it wasn't a good advancement in technology. Again, why the other bikes don't have it already, i don't know. Easy to work on, great throttle response, easy to change power characteristics, no problems.

Believe what you want, i'll believe what I want....you ride your "450R"..i'll ride my Cannondale...end of story.

[Plante400]

no body really gives a **** about u guys *****ing about what bikes u like better or which ones your faster on... its pretty lame
bickering about stupid ****

[JOEX]

Originally posted by Plante400
no body really gives a **** about u guys *****ing about what bikes u like better or which ones your faster on... its pretty lame
bickering about stupid ****
I guess you care:eek:

[Pappy]

Line them up and race them....all i see is flapping gums and I'd rather see pictures of roost:cool:

[Pappy]

.

[JOEX]

Originally posted by Pappy
Line them up and race them....all i see is flapping gums and I'd rather see pictures of roost:cool:
Been waiting for that to show up here:D

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
You are quite entertaining.

A 450R will walk all over a Cannondale?....you've never rode one, or rode with one have you. Stock for Stock, or Mod for Mod, a Cannondale is faster...flat out.

Also, If you think the Cannondales were a "roach", you need to think again. They have gobs of power and handle great. I've rode a 450R(Pipe, Filter, Elka front end, GPR Stabalizer, few other things), right after riding a stock Cannondale....the 450R was a pig, and handled like *****. I made mine Pro-Level, for half the price it would take to build a 450R to the same level, power and suspension.

Lastly...did I say anything about the aluminum frame and EFI being on the Cannondale first?...no, i did not. I said that it is on a Cannondale, unlike the 450R.....I said that, because you believe the 450R is a more modern technology bike. You can't say aluminum frames are not a good advance in technology, most all modern MX motorcycles have the twin spar aluminum set-up.

i like how you twist my words to support your "argument" and how you use mx as a comparison to support your side but then dismiss mx when it does not.

I SAID the canondale BIKE was a roach.

I NEVER said aluminum frames were NOT an advancement in technology. I said they were nothing NEW...been around the off road world since 86, again before you were born. (before you run your trap Honda had works CR's with aluminum frames)

EFI has been around a long time as well. untill suzuki's 450 quad no one has gotten it to be reliable in the off road world.

And yes i belive as a package (the whole machine not just a couple of parts) is more advanced. not by design but by practicality. (if it does not work as good in real world situations then all the techno gumbo means nothing compared to what does work)

however since you "built" your goilf cart for "pro" level, which amuses me since i find it ironic that a non pro knows what pro level is, tell me how many "pros" raced and won on the "pro" level with either canondale bikes or quads...(1 Quad race if memory serves my correct) how many "pro" championships have been won on canondales??? for that matter lets remember that bikes are still ahead of quads and think how many canondales even QUAILIFIED for a PRO supercross or National.

finally were is canondale NOW!!! if they were so great they would still be around. EVEN 3wheelers you dismiss so lightly have a stronger following after being gone for 20yrs then canondale has after being gone only a couple of years.

like i said before and i'll say again i'll race your canondale on my 450R 3wheeler when its done any time any place. that way it will end two arguments...that 3 can beat 4 and a 450r can beat your super duper technology. and you'll have no excuses's when you lose because in your own mind you have two major advantages.

[deathman53]

there seams to be alot of people on here who hate trikes and refuse to admit that with a good rider a trike can be competitive and almost as fast as four wheelers. I am big into trikes, I have a 86 200x-very modded, 86atc250r-extremely modded and a 86 atc250r woods bike, crf450r quad, 2- 77/78 yz400 bikes, 01 xr250r street legal. My favorite bikes are my 86 250r and 200x, and yes, I can keep up with alot of the quads on my 2 race trikes. The one thing people seam to foget is that trikes require SKILL to ride, anybody can jump on a quad and go fast, it takes skill and leaning to ride a trike fast. If none of you guys believe me, I am the one of the guys who rides a trike at chattsworth and many can attest to how fast I am, I also am one of the only trike riders at a track that is now closed due to insurance issues. I completely agree with quad killer, good atc parts can be hard to find and are being discontinued day in and day out, I am currently buying up 86 atc250r peg plates and parts due to them being discontinued.
When I regain my skills and recover completely from injury, I want to get some trike races together around NJ and PA, lets show these trike haters and non-beleivers how fast we can go and how big of jumps we can do. I have the same sc on 3ww, r-centrel, 3wheeler.org.

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
i like how you twist my words to support your "argument" and how you use mx as a comparison to support your side but then dismiss mx when it does not.

I SAID the canondale BIKE was a roach.

I NEVER said aluminum frames were NOT an advancement in technology. I said they were nothing NEW...been around the off road world since 86, again before you were born. (before you run your trap Honda had works CR's with aluminum frames)

EFI has been around a long time as well. untill suzuki's 450 quad no one has gotten it to be reliable in the off road world.

And yes i belive as a package (the whole machine not just a couple of parts) is more advanced. not by design but by practicality. (if it does not work as good in real world situations then all the techno gumbo means nothing compared to what does work)

however since you "built" your goilf cart for "pro" level, which amuses me since i find it ironic that a non pro knows what pro level is, tell me how many "pros" raced and won on the "pro" level with either canondale bikes or quads...(1 Quad race if memory serves my correct) how many "pro" championships have been won on canondales??? for that matter lets remember that bikes are still ahead of quads and think how many canondales even QUAILIFIED for a PRO supercross or National.

finally were is canondale NOW!!! if they were so great they would still be around. EVEN 3wheelers you dismiss so lightly have a stronger following after being gone for 20yrs then canondale has after being gone only a couple of years.

like i said before and i'll say again i'll race your canondale on my 450R 3wheeler when its done any time any place. that way it will end two arguments...that 3 can beat 4 and a 450r can beat your super duper technology. and you'll have no excuses's when you lose because in your own mind you have two major advantages.

I didn't say anything about you believing those advancements were bad. You told me that the advancements have been around for a while. I replied saying that I knew that it had been around before, I never said it was the first time the ideas had been used...BUT it WAS the first time it was used in quads, SO it WAS a technological advancement for quads. You also said that if the ideas don't work, then being "Different" isnt really an advantage...THAT is the reason I said that the aluminum frames/efi has been treating me great....Where did you get the idea that these advancements(IN QUADS!!!!) were not an advantage on Cannondales....Also, you can't ***** about Cannondales having problems, yeah, they had some issues, but every bike has there issues.

About the LT-R's EFI being the first to be reliable in the off-road world...whats your definition of "reliable", I know a guy that has had tons of issues with the EFI on his brand new LT-R...more issues then i've ever had with the Cannondales Optimum system. The fuel injection on the Cannondale has been great to me.

About the "pro level" deal....does it take a pro to know what pro level consists of? You look at the Pro's bikes, then you look at the A bikes(which, most A-Class WORCS bikes are similiar to the Pro bikes), then look at the B bikes...it's not hard to see what your bike fits into.....

I don't tend to spend every bit of my time focusing on which bike has won where. But I do know the Nacs Cannondale team(yeah, a big, well known team, all on Cannondales) won a lot of races. WORCS Race in Lake Havasu a few years back, Pro class, won by Nic Granlund on a Cannondale...the 2 quads behind him were both Cannondales. Jeff Stoess won a GNCC race on a factory ATK(sadly, he's not really racing anymore). Kara(CdaleChick) has been winning races left and right on her Cannondale....I know theres more. Look at all the racers of today, most are not Pro, but they are winning races in many forms.

AND, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE. Cannondale was financed by Pegasus. Everything was going great, any little problems that the quads/bikes did have(yes, like i've said before, they did have little problems) Cannondale fixed, no questions asked. Whether it was broken by a little trail ride, or a full on desert race, it didn't matter, they would fix it, whether you had warranty or not....Tell me, would the current big brands do that?...You race it, and technically, it voids the warranty.. Cannondale did this, and began running out of money, for TRYING TO HELP!. Pagasus pulled the support, and forced them to close their doors. If they had just one more year, I guarantee they'd be kickin *** everywhere.

About the "racing" deal. Yeah, sure, we happen to be going to the same race, the same weekend, the same time, then yeah, i'll race you. But i'm not gonna go out of my way to "race you"...kinda immature. Sounds like little kids, "oh, i'll whoop your *** on my bike, yada yada"....come on dude.:rolleyes:

[MR.BIG]

About the "racing" deal. Yeah, sure, we happen to be going to the same race, the same weekend, the same time, then yeah, i'll race you. But i'm not gonna go out of my way to "race you"...kinda immature. Sounds like little kids, "oh, i'll whoop your *** on my bike, yada yada"....come on dude.:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]


Immature to race each other, huh! I think you are scared that your pro-level cannondale is going to lose to what did you call a 450r a pig. You are one of those kids who are all talk and then when it comes down to it you are a scared little boy!:eek2:

[STEVENJANNA]

This isn't my thread but, WOW!! Would one of you just "sack" up and not reply to the other. The 1st person to not reply would be the bigger man in my book.

Why don't the 2 of you get together and smack each other with hot mops or something.

[CannondaleRider]

Originally posted by MR.BIG

Immature to race each other, huh! I think you are scared that your pro-level cannondale is going to lose to what did you call a 450r a pig. You are one of those kids who are all talk and then when it comes down to it you are a scared little boy!:eek2:

It's not immature to race each other. But it is immature to "talk" about how "my quad will beat yours" or whatever. Thats all a opinion/imagination. I'm not gonna go out of my way to race someone, if i'd get nothing out of it...it's pointless...BUT, if the opportunity was given, sure, i'll race him.

Anyways, i'm done. It's not like this argument has effected my life. I'm bored, and this has given me something to do/entertained me. I'm done though...i'm gonna go riding:D

Good luck on your ATC 450R build, make sure to post pics when your done.

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
....does it take a pro to know what pro level consists of? You look at the Pro's bikes, then you look at the A bikes(which, most A-Class WORCS bikes are similiar to the Pro bikes), then look at the B bikes...it's not hard to see what your bike fits into.....

to a certain point yes it does. let me explain.

ANYBODY can buy aftermarket parts similar to what the pros run and install them on thier machine. But that does not make it a "pro" caliber Bike/Trike/Quad. just because your run parts with the same name does not make the parts the same. Most non pro machines use bolt on aftermarket parts that have generall settings. yes some may be personalized but they are still generic aftermarket parts. While Pro machines are set up exclusivly for that individual rider.
Take for example two Honda riders. they may both use the same manufacturer (ABC) componets but if you were to ride both machines back to back they could be worlds apart. Now what manufacturer "ABC" sells to the generall public is a part using what was learned from both riders then set up for a varity of rider types. They have to make these aftermarket parts work for joe blow 175lb beginer east cost woods rider and joe blow 200lb novice west coast MX'r. another words if you think the Pipe that someone like Ricky Carmichel uses on his Bike is the same as the one you can buy, then you are badly mistaken.
I'll give you another example. in my experiance back in 1996 at the Unadilla national I was able to aquire Jeremy McGraths wheels and tires after his practice ( they cut the spokes, save the hubs, and give the wheels and tires to local pro's) now he ran a Dunlop "752" tire. my rider also ran a Dunlop 752 tire. but the rubber compond on the tire i bought from the dealership was completely differant then the rubber compond in the tires i aquired from McGraths bike. Same brand, same model number, but completly differant tire. and while both the production CR's and McGraths CR use DID wheels His were much stronger. you think the handle bars you buy are the same...nope, pro sponsered riders bars are personalized bend and are usually made out of thicker material. Think the pistons are the same...think again.

I could go on with many more examples but i think you get the point.

so yes it takes a pro to know what goes into a pro bike and how to set one up. and no a A level machine is not the same as a pro machine.


now as far as racing and what You said...


Originally posted by CannondaleRider
About the "racing" deal. Yeah, sure, we happen to be going to the same race, the same weekend, the same time, then yeah, i'll race you. But i'm not gonna go out of my way to "race you"...kinda immature. Sounds like little kids, "oh, i'll whoop your *** on my bike, yada yada"....come on dude.

I'm not gonna go out of my way to race someone, if i'd get nothing out of it...it's pointless...BUT, if the opportunity was given, sure, i'll race him.

this is the differance between a amature and a PRO. I'm not kidding. and you will not have to go out of your way. I've traveled around the country before just to beat quads on trikes and i'll do it again, whether it's you or somebody else. and if you think you need to get something out of it...sure TITLE for TITLE.

that is unless what MR BIG said is true...



Originally posted by MR BIG
.Immature to race each other, huh! I think you are scared that your pro-level cannondale is going to lose to what did you call a 450r a pig. You are one of those kids who are all talk and then when it comes down to it you are a scared little boy!


p.s. stevenjanna, I enjoy a good debate and/or trash talk. I'm sorry if you do not.

[STEVENJANNA]

Quadkiller, you're having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent what's fun about that?:D

[Toadz400]

I think you should be spending more time getting your trike together than arguing with people online.

I want to see results!:blah:

[fasterblaster09]

Originally posted by Toadz400
I think you should be spending more time getting your trike together than arguing with people online.

I want to see results!:blah:

yess im anxious!!!

[CHAR250R]

Quad Killer: I'm looking forward to this race. Being a guy that started riding trikes when quads weren't even dreamed of, I'd like to see a three wheeler being ridden to it's full capacities. I'll be watching the 3 wheeler site for updated pics. :D

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by STEVENJANNA
Quadkiller, you're having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent what's fun about that?:D

well he should have armed himself if he's gonna hijack my thread...




sorry if we got off track. I'm currently waiting on my triple clamps from the machine shop that is making them. they are due next week. once they are complete i can finalize the hub dimensions then i'm off to coneticutt for the Building of the Hub.. these are the last pieces needed to complete the trike. One thing i said from the begining over at 3wheeler.org is i would not post any pictures of it during the building stage or anywhere else but at 3wheeler.org. It my sound stupid but i have my reasons. I was hoping for a completion date by June 1st. but it may be pushed back a week or two. Unfortunatly my graphics will not be done for another month or so:( :( :(:

[Toadz400]

Originally posted by Quad Killer
well he should have armed himself if he's gonna hijack my thread...




sorry if we got off track. I'm currently waiting on my triple clamps from the machine shop that is making them. they are due next week. once they are complete i can finalize the hub dimensions then i'm off to coneticutt for the Building of the Hub.. these are the last pieces needed to complete the trike. One thing i said from the begining over at 3wheeler.org is i would not post any pictures of it during the building stage or anywhere else but at 3wheeler.org. It my sound stupid but i have my reasons. I was hoping for a completion date by June 1st. but it may be pushed back a week or two. Unfortunatly my graphics will not be done for another month or so:( :( :(:

Who cares about graphics?? I think we'd rather see it completed without the graphics than have to wait another month.

[MR.BIG]

Hell yeah :devil:

[Quad Killer]

Originally posted by Toadz400
Who cares about graphics?? I think we'd rather see it completed without the graphics than have to wait another month.

who said anything about waiting for the graphics before i post pics.??? all i said was it will be another month untill they are done.

[mud-baron]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d10/badazskidoo/IMG_0005.jpg

[CannondaleRider]

Yet again, i'm not going to argue. BUT, I'm not the f*cking guy that started the Cannondale subject am I?

What I was talking about, was YOUR TRIKE....then it turned into the Cannondale Subject....I didn't hijack ****!