View Full Version : EXRiders = Pay site
When will this happen? Without going into detail or diggin up old crap, this would help keep the site "lean & trim"...if you know what I am getting at....
4punksdad
07-29-2002, 07:53 PM
I am now beginning to realize why you suggest this. I must say that I am at least in favor of a "members only" forum that is a pay site for the more serious members who don't have time to wade through the BS
every morning I spend 1.29 for a cup of coffee............the coffee lasts 1hr at the most, and all I get from that is the urge to go take a leak :o
400exredrider
07-29-2002, 08:06 PM
well i dont like all the BS but i really dont wanna hafta pay to be a member here....i pay enough bills brokin atvs all sorts of stuff and i really dont have the time to pay for a membership.....this is a great site....and id hate to leave it ive been a member for awhile now and ive pretty much seen exriders grow up....but now id hate to see it die cause we hafta pay it would be like a funeral:( but if leo needs the money.......this site will just loose a few people including me.....id hate to see it go but...theres other sites but not like this.........so please dont make us pay we just dont have the time....THANKS:D
well, personally, if u guys make this a pay site, il leave, i really dont feel like spending money to type out responces, i mean, i can go to bluetraxx and not pay
....this idea keeps looking better and better. :rolleyes: I like that pay option that you mentioned 4punks....didnt Leo toss that idea around? I havent seen any updates about it.... I think 30 or so bucks a year would be a good price. I know I spend 20x as much on just ATV mags a year.
Scott
07-29-2002, 08:13 PM
400exrider (and anyone else that doesn't want to pay) do a search for the previous threads about this topic and you'll see that the existing site wouldn't change, but a new "paying members only" site would be created.
I'm out of work, selling everything I own to pay the bills at the moment (yes, the quad is listed in the classifieds), and I'd still be more than happy to pay $2-3 a month for a paysite version of this.
Oh and VWVR6, what pipe and tires are good for a 400ex? And will it outrun a raptor and blaster? Thanks man!:devil :D :cool:
Mxbubs
07-29-2002, 08:14 PM
Pay Site? If you make this a pay site, it will die just as fast as atving.com did. I for one will not visit is, EVER.
Originally posted by Scott
Oh and VWVR6, what pipe and tires are good for a 400ex? And will it outrun a raptor and blaster? Thanks man!:devil :D :cool:
this one is too tempting to have fun with. :D :devil I'll be good this time and just LMAO quietly....
I think some of you might have this pay option confused. From my understanding (and how other pay sites are setup)...you can view everything for free. But if you want to post, then you have to pay. But I believe Leo's option will keep most of the site free (posting included), but will open up a new "members only" area which will be a "fat free" discussion of quads.
Scott
07-29-2002, 08:36 PM
Exactly. Leo said this site (as it is now) would not change, there would just be a new "paying members only" forum added to the site. And before you ask, NO, if you don't pay, you wouldn't be able to get into that forum to read all the good info. But you would still have everything just as it is now.
ok, so let me get this straight, paying and non paying members will hav 2 diff sites, correct
sorry, guess i will only get to give the honor to the non paying site, hav fun at the one u gotta pay at guys
Originally posted by Bean
ok, so let me get this straight, paying and non paying members will hav 2 diff sites, correct
sorry, guess i will only get to give the honor to the non paying site, hav fun at the one u gotta pay at guys
If it happens, there is no doubt the pay area will be better. Higher quality posts instead of this BS that clogs the forums now.
Count me in of Course...:D I just got a new credit card yesterday and heck I'll pay 5 years in advance..:eek:
CranMan
07-30-2002, 06:48 AM
Yeah count me in too...like they say if people don't like it they don't have to participate. I'm personally getting tired of going through pages of useless posts EVERY DAY!!! just to look at the good posts that actually contain useful or interesting info....
NJ300ex
07-30-2002, 03:11 PM
I'm all for the paying members forum if it is around $20-$25 a year. I only read about 1-2 posts in each forum now instead of 10 or more. There is nothing left on this site.
Another thing that might help the site is making the search button ALOT bigger. I see so many repetitive posts now not to mention repetitive posters. You could also make a window pop up saying something like " Before you post try using the search feature". You could also list the rules again or something. Just an idea.The site needs to change.
yamaha1470
07-31-2002, 05:13 AM
How are you going to be able to only let certain people in like the ones who paid? Also if you make people pay its not going to be some fix all, have amazing posts type of thing. People that pay can still write stupid stuff. Im sure it will help somewhat though.
it would destroy the guys that jus come to piss off people, crf450ex, 123b, ect, but it would hav less memebers than here, causeing a sloooower forum, causing boringness
Originally posted by Bean
it would destroy the guys that jus come to piss off people, crf450ex, 123b, ect, but it would hav less memebers than here, causeing a sloooower forum, causing boringness
not sure what you are basing this from, but the forums that I have seen that followed this direction have increased in members because the quality of the material increased. In this case though, the membership can only get so high.... we're not gonna have 20,000 members like some pages I am talking about has. But either way, there will be a free side where everyone has access too, then a member side, where only members can access.
I dont see why people would quit coming if all Leo does is ADD a members forum and NOT take anything else away.
If the pay site idea goes thru in what ever design that would be good but if not here are some ideas to clean up the BS.
1. Limit the amount of new threads a member could start in the open forum. Like say 2 per month etc.
2. Since anyone can view these pages why not create an active status for members, and when they are too lazy or just have too large a need for attention and refuse the search option and then post another repeat thread on what pipe etc then just make them read only for a month.
3. Stop the open forum threads from appearing in the new thread search.
4. Limit the open forum to ATV offroad related topics, and have the mods "whoop" the offenders and confiscate any stereo equip, paint ball equip, play stations, rocket/cow chip launchers, home made stun guns, cheap arse low rider jap rice burner cars, silly dogs, silly girlfriends, silly dogs girlfriend and whatever BS I have forgotten, from the posting member.
And yes I agree that the site may get a little boring without all the juvenile cr@p but if thats the way it goes I think I could force myself to stay.
B Good
well, dude, wit less members, on the pay sight, less new posts, less stuff to answer, less fun, ect
it would be cool if u guys had a pay site, its gravy wit me, i personally wont be in it, but if it keeps yinz happy, its cool wit me
Scott
07-31-2002, 07:43 PM
The pay side of the house might just get a little more attention from some of the guys with a lot of useful knowledge (for example Gabe, Alaska Jim, CBRSlider. Not trying to leave anyone out, just mentioning a couple that have disappeared.)
And in my opinion, that would be worth a couple bucks a month.
NJ300ex
07-31-2002, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Scott
The pay side of the house might just get a little more attention from some of the guys with a lot of useful knowledge (for example Gabe, Alaska Jim, CBRSlider. Not trying to leave anyone out, just mentioning a couple that have disappeared.)
And in my opinion, that would be worth a couple bucks a month.
Truedat. I would really like it if Gabe came back and other people who are on the 400ex mailing list.
Castor-426ex
08-01-2002, 12:02 PM
To those of you that are complaining about the possibility of this site becoming a pay site...look at it this way
I bet the majority of you pay for porn sites...and thats sad:D
so why not spread the wealth and help this site out....
if it goes that way...ill pay......Im sure the features will be worth it
plus Leo deserves it....this is a great site
Doibugu2
08-01-2002, 12:06 PM
I would have no problem paying something for the site. I think he should give some special deal to the current members like 1/2 off or onetime lifetime membership.
Just think though if he charged $20 and there is almost 4000 members, that is a lot of coin. Thats what $80k a year. Even if a 3/4 of the members left and Leo charged $20 bucks, that is still $20k.
Leo, I think if you charged for your site you could have one **** of a quad!:devil
Castor-426ex
08-01-2002, 12:10 PM
i mean its like this when it goes on a server..hes gonna have to pay for it...and thats gonna suck if it needs to be worked on $$$$
lil400exman
08-04-2002, 09:15 PM
io like it but how much would it cost what are you thinkin and i think that we should have like special rides only for special group and stuff just my 0.02 but if its over 30.00 dollars a year i am out!
Rastus
08-05-2002, 09:27 PM
Having something like a pay section sounds good to me. ill definately be there.
I would like a site without the BS. I would certainly pay for one. This has recently turned into a chaotic mess. There really isnt any good useful information anymore. Unless of course you want to know "which quad is faster", or "what other dudes wives/GF's/sisters/cousins/friends" look like, or find out how funny something is "LMFAO" /"OMG", or why the 400ex is superior to any quad out there then you can find plenty here. I love this site and always will however, some things get really annoying always seeing. :D
Sleeping Catfish
08-08-2002, 09:26 PM
make the open forum a quad only forum.
20-30 bucks a month??? thats crazy, ur gonna lose 3/4 of the members doing that. keep it the way it is, its not that bad.
20 ta 30 a year,,not a month..:blah
Doibugu2
08-14-2002, 03:04 PM
Rico, what's the chances that this happen? Being that you might have some inside info?
Well it's still up in the air and I do hope it does happen.. the site will still be open to non paying members,,but I think the knowledgeable and best info will be in the payin area of the site..
I don't think we'll loose any members at all if this does happen..Only gain stronger members and hopefully weed out the problem childs.
Doibugu2
08-15-2002, 09:42 AM
I think Freakystones credit card my keep coming up declined!
RedRage300ex
08-24-2002, 03:21 PM
if you think about it...you come here to learn some stuff and teach others....you just type this stuff...20 to 30 bucks a year just to answer a question you might have? i mean you could just look the info up or just go to another forum for that matter...i cant believe we r going to a pay site. and i know its not official but rico said that he doesnt think he'll lose alot of people and he thinks its a good idea...in my opinion which i am entitled to, i dont like the idea and would not be apart of it..besides there's like only 3 or 4 problem ppl and after awhile they leave...yall would rather pay 20 to 30 bucks just b/c you cant ignore someone. and the reply after this will probably be something like well i am excersizing my ability to ignore people...ignore YOU...but thats ok
JustRace
08-24-2002, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by RedRage300ex
if you think about it...you come here to learn some stuff and teach others....you just type this stuff...20 to 30 bucks a year just to answer a question you might have? i mean you could just look the info up or just go to another forum for that matter...i cant believe we r going to a pay site. and i know its not official but rico said that he doesnt think he'll lose alot of people and he thinks its a good idea...in my opinion which i am entitled to, i dont like the idea and would not be apart of it..besides there's like only 3 or 4 problem ppl and after awhile they leave...yall would rather pay 20 to 30 bucks just b/c you cant ignore someone. and the reply after this will probably be something like well i am excersizing my ability to ignore people...ignore YOU...but thats ok
I would just like to know what you wouldn't be apart of? If you decide you don't want to be a paying member nothing will change for you. So are you saying you don't want to be a part of something you're already a part of :huh
airheadedduner
08-27-2002, 12:42 AM
I think it needs to happen, the sooner the better. I am getting sick of getting flamed and listening to biased, closeminded opinions of 15 year olds who think they know more then anyone else. I'm not gonna name names and I know that this is an "exriders" site but some members are so biased toward their 400s that they think everyone that bought something else is a moron. I even saw a recent post in the non-honda forum with someone going off on another about why he shouldn't consider buying the bike he wants cause it is crap and getting a 400 instead. It is a bunch of bs that I don't want to read. I would gladly stay a member and pay a fee cause this really is an awesome site. just like always a few spoil it for the rest.
them same biased, 15 year olds are goin to pay probly too, so ur goin to hav to get over that
really, u shouldnt rip on 15 year olds, u wer one once, and all the older people lke ur mom think ur a biased, closeminded 19 year old, so get over the narrowminded people, they come in all ages
yamaha1470
08-27-2002, 04:05 PM
Thats a good point!! Dont think the 15 year olds wont pay because they will.
I guess what you are trying to say is that there is an arse for every seat or that opinions are like arses and everyone has one.
Oh well;)
airheadedduner
08-29-2002, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Bean
them same biased, 15 year olds are goin to pay probly too, so ur goin to hav to get over that
really, u shouldnt rip on 15 year olds, u wer one once, and all the older people lke ur mom think ur a biased, closeminded 19 year old, so get over the narrowminded people, they come in all ages
I was just using "15 year olds" as an example. I wasn't ripping on anyone(i could have), just pointing out a reason I think exriders should go to a pay site.
Jimmer
08-30-2002, 01:33 AM
Guys a pay site would take away from what this site is all about to me its EX RIDERS helping fellow ex riders young and old a like. Sure some of the users are somewhat immature sometimes and some of the stuff that sells on here is off the wall as well as some topics. How are youger members supposed to gain knowledge if we are not open to everyone and their opinions and views no matter how far fetch they are sometimes. Lets just keep it the way that it is I love the way I can get on here everyday and see the good information that is of use to me and fellow users as well as the bull that keeps it interesting. If it bothers you kick to a different thread or forum. Its hard enough to keep up with this money pit of racing and riding. Another $30 is a race entry fee that I hope will not have run away from my pocket. Hope I did not offend anyone just what I think and I hope nothing changes. Thanks for allowing me to speak my piece.
eldoexrider01
09-01-2002, 11:23 PM
i would pay to be on this site. as long as u pay like a yearly ammount and everything is all inclusive. (example posts, pics, pm,etc.....) and as i read it would extract all the crap out and leave nothin but good quality information that can be somthing to learn from. i have learned sooo much from this site and i believe it would help even more.i like to get opinons about parts from other memebers and i really dont want a airheadded person who just wants "be like mike" and say things jus to be cool or to mess with people. this choice will "weed out the inferior"
Derek
09-02-2002, 08:32 PM
bump
Most of the info on this site is contributed by "15 year olds"
4punksdad
09-04-2002, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by FreeStylexrider
Most of the info on this site is contributed by "15 year olds"
"information" must be a term you use loosely. we were ALL 15 once. we know the deal. when we were 15 there was NO internet.
Castor-426ex
09-04-2002, 11:06 PM
and no ex...
and when I was 15 there was no hope...:D
JTRtrx250r
09-12-2002, 05:34 AM
not that anyone cares what I think but most of this sounds REDICULOUS,I can understand what a few are saying about the BS the kids post,if anything set up a place for them like a teen section and if they aren't 18,make it so they can only read,I dont know,but a pay site.........naw man:eek: :eek: :confused: :D
440exnacsracer
09-23-2002, 06:50 PM
"15 YEAR OLDS" not to rag on anyone or anything, cause most of ya could prolly kick my left butt cheek off, but im a 15 year old, and SOME of you are wanting to keep people like me from using this site? last week, i installed a fresh topend, gaskets and everything, adjusted the cam timing and everything with nobody but me, no repair manual, no dad, no nothin.so dont make the assumption that i dont " KNOW ANYTHING" i agree though. alot of times.. when i dont know things which is alot of the time... i ask people on here and my forum gets bumped down out of sight because of some bs questions like "how do i fill up my tire" or "how do i cut my fenders" which has been asked a thousand times. i think $30 a year is resonable. this site is to help people and to be enjoyed, not to have forums that have no answers because people are tired of answering the same question over and over. in fact maybe $5 would be enough, just to make people take the time if they really like the site. i know everyone wont agree with me, but i think thats enough of my 2 cents. lata
ben
What really pisses me off the most is 30+year olds bashing "stupid punk know it all 15 year olds that flame and whine and b!tch all the time"
im 15, and im not stupid. i dont flame. i dont say things about the "new crf450" that will never even happen.
it pisses me off, the 30 year olds, look at us like that. trust me, we arent stupid, okay? Its not our age - its the knowledge of quads we dont know. If somebody talks about the new crf450 coming out next month probobly, theyre not stupid, its because they dont have experience and knowledge that honda wouldnt do that.
and if theyre 15, they probobly havnt been riding long, or maybe they just got into quads, so give them time. in a year theyll be kicking it with the rest of you.
beerock
10-11-2002, 08:05 PM
***** im all for it as long as the popular member get a free liftetim member ship...... we can be use to lure new members...
AtvMxRider
10-11-2002, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Jimmer
Guys a pay site would take away from what this site is all about to me its EX RIDERS helping fellow ex riders young and old a like. Sure some of the users are somewhat immature sometimes and some of the stuff that sells on here is off the wall as well as some topics. How are youger members supposed to gain knowledge if we are not open to everyone and their opinions and views no matter how far fetch they are sometimes. Lets just keep it the way that it is I love the way I can get on here everyday and see the good information that is of use to me and fellow users as well as the bull that keeps it interesting. If it bothers you kick to a different thread or forum. Its hard enough to keep up with this money pit of racing and riding. Another $30 is a race entry fee that I hope will not have run away from my pocket. Hope I did not offend anyone just what I think and I hope nothing changes. Thanks for allowing me to speak my piece.
Well said Jimmer!
Originally posted by VWVR6
....this idea keeps looking better and better. :rolleyes: I like that pay option that you mentioned 4punks....didnt Leo toss that idea around? I havent seen any updates about it.... I think 30 or so bucks a year would be a good price. I know I spend 20x as much on just ATV mags a year.
i hear you about the atv mag thing, i get so much more info here than from the mags, i think that paying would be a great idea, i'm tired of seeing these post like which is better pep or tcs? plus if we were paying the site would be able to get a lot more updates and stuff
there should still be a non paying part of the site
QuadTrix6
10-19-2002, 02:44 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo :grr :D
quadfamily
10-20-2002, 08:11 AM
Personally I think the answer is for us mods to just use our disgression and delete all useless threads that are not quad related. This way we don't have to sift through as many treads and read every post and edit them as needed. Just get rid of the off topic ones and then there's alot less junk to sort through. Most of the threads that turn bad are usually off topic anyway. This IS a QUAD SITE afterall, isn't it??????
yellowrider
11-18-2002, 08:40 PM
i think the idea of paying for this site is really greedy.. there is no need to pay a site to let you visit.. that is uncalled for and selffish, what are you going to do with the extra money?? i pretty sure your not going to give anyone any discounts to the exrider store,
i come here everytime i get a chance now and read stuff. sometimes stupid stuff that people writes ignore it.
if they think a 250ex can beat a cannon let them believe it. remember their only kids.......
and you a grown ups yes sit good examples and dont flame them back....
Anyways if make me pay , i will no longer be a member of this site, neither will my friends that get on here at school in the mornings, i can get my information some where else;were i am accepted without paying any cash out front, this is sad that everything you do cost money, why not just come on exriders and have a good time and dont worry about money or flames or who had the most money just share experiences , and why not try to help someone out when they have a question instead of saying :
look at page 3 under so and so and you find what you want,
didnt you ask that in another room , ( well i dont think they would have posted it twice if some peopel will get off their lazy butts and started helping people more than the critize them and say how bad they can spell or how bad their grammer is. that is childish.
and for all of those people just wanted to give out money, i take donations for gas, phone bill , internet , and atv offroad fury 2, and mods to my 400ex
peace out
later
The thing is if you dont want to pay nothing will change. Paying members would get some *added* benefits.
yellowrider
11-18-2002, 08:44 PM
just another thing that was floating around in my brain,
you all say how this site is such a good source of information well dont you think when you split it up to payers or none payers people will still be loyal to this site?? i think NOT!! so you might just want to suscribe to dirtwheels one more year ...
cause when you make this a pay site you just lost most of your memebers, and all of you hot shots that can afford to spend a couple of bucks a month go right ahead i think i will just invest that in my 97 silver 4x4 extended cab or my honda ex
acturally if this site does become a pay site, i would have a few bucks left over , casue of right now i am paying 22 dollars for internet services just to visit this one site..
read my post nothing will change if you dont want to pay
jello
11-18-2002, 11:34 PM
AGE has nothing to do with anything I know 15 year olds that know more about quads then 30 year olds but same think there are 30 year olds that know more then 15 year olds. It all just depends on the person. Personally I think ex riders is all about helping everyone not just the ones that are old and can afford to be in the site? Mabey thats just me. I guess you can charge for your information but a lot of the info will go away. A lot of people will leave to other sites that DONT charge. And if you set it up to a Non payers and a Payers site it wont work. Non payers would have no answers to there questions. If you want to pay go ahead send ben donations as you get $$$. thats just my .02
Jello
upstate rider
11-19-2002, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by quadfamily
Personally I think the answer is for us mods to just use our disgression and delete all useless threads that are not quad related. This way we don't have to sift through as many treads and read every post and edit them as needed. Just get rid of the off topic ones and then there's alot less junk to sort through. Most of the threads that turn bad are usually off topic anyway. This IS a QUAD SITE afterall, isn't it?????? This sounds like a great idea and maybe the best so far. If you make it a pay site or both you will still need to watch it and the 20 or 30 dollars will not assure you of getting only the best members. Many members will sit back and watch ( myself included ) if it fails I've lost nothing if it does well whats 20 or 30 bucks. Start getting rid of NON related threads and see what happens the ones that want to chat about nothing will leave for chat rooms or other places. This may help 4punks 1. something coffees ( sounded funny but it's most likely true)
Paying for the site is not going to cost you an arm and a leg. Like $20 a year or something...cry all ya'll want but most of ya probably spend that much on fast food in a 2 time frame,,think about it. Your helping a site that helps you what's so hard to understand about that. Life is going to be real tough for some of you when ya get out in the real world..:rolleyes:
is this a new thread or the same one from along time ago?
some of the posts look familiar.
Scott
11-19-2002, 01:01 PM
Yes this post started a long time ago. Look at the dates back on page one, VWVR6 and I posted back in July. But after seeing a recent post where a member posted his dyno results and got almost nothing but flames, it seems that not much has changed since July.
Actually some things have changed, the guys that posted topics a year ago that provided excellent technical information either aren't posting anymore, or else I'm just not finding anything by them because of the 4+ pages of BS that gets posted daily. Either way, I'm not sure that I'd even bother to pay to join the paysite of exriders anymore. Unfortunately, I think it's becoming a lost cause. No offense to Ben or the mods, I still have the utmost respect for you guys. You've got an overwhelming task facing you, like trying to save the Titanic with a band-aid. I wish you luck.
Gusto
11-19-2002, 02:28 PM
Some sites you need a Credit Card to log into, but you don't get charged. Mainly it's their to discourage the youngers from entering the site...maybe that is something to look into to stop the flaming and have this site what it was intended for and not a chat room?
ridinthedunes
11-19-2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Scott
Yes this post started a long time ago. Look at the dates back on page one, VWVR6 and I posted back in July. But after seeing a recent post where a member posted his dyno results and got almost nothing but flames, it seems that not much has changed since July.
Actually some things have changed, the guys that posted topics a year ago that provided excellent technical information either aren't posting anymore, or else I'm just not finding anything by them because of the 4+ pages of BS that gets posted daily. Either way, I'm not sure that I'd even bother to pay to join the paysite of exriders anymore. Unfortunately, I think it's becoming a lost cause. No offense to Ben or the mods, I still have the utmost respect for you guys. You've got an overwhelming task facing you, like trying to save the Titanic with a band-aid. I wish you luck.
People come and go. There will always be new people to replace
the old. I haven't been a member for very long but I know I've
learned a huge amount in my short time and am telling everyone
I know that owns 400ex's about it.
I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE A PAY SITE!!!
R/T
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