416ex vs. kfx400

[Deltarider6010]

my one friend has a duncan racing 416 ex and my other friend has a kfx with a fmf factory 4 exhaust and it is properly jetted. should the 416 be beating the kfx does the 16 cc's really make the ex faster?

[TheZis2Fst4U]

If there is one thing I've learned. Don't post V.S threads here. Unless you are trying to start a war. I would definatley say it is still up to the rider.

[HondaRacer300ex]

If it say's EX, it's EXtra slow.

[black300]

ive found out that the honda riders say the honda and the kfx riders say the kfx and it is the same with pipes and anything else you want to post

[Titanium]

i'm not gonna b.s about this... the 416 would win. i've seen this happen before.

[fast_enough]

416 dont mean crap, it could be worn out like a mutha. Or it might not be built good at all. I've drag raced a 416 and beat him, but it was more of a traction deal than a power deal. And besides what kind of racing are we talking? Good built 416 will probably take it, especially on the track

[DOHC]

wow who cares get out there and race em, its all going to be rider who ever is a better rider a stock 400ex could be a kfx/ltz as long as the rider is good

[CFRacer03]

I've owned both bikes you are describing at the same time. A well built 416ex should beat it. They are really close though. Even though the 416 has more displacement the Z/KFX has a lot newer technology so the motors IMO are very close. It wouldn't take much on a Z/KFX to make it beat the 416ex though, pipe, filter and cams, carb makes a huge difference on that bike, which is all much cheaper than how much a well built 416 would cost

[trent03z400]

I have a buddy with a 416 and he beats me every time. But he is 5'10 130 pounds and im 6'4 240. His has more power but it depends on how good of rider is on either one and how big they are. We have switched and he still wins on mine but not by much.
The 416 with a hmf pipe is faster.

[DOHC]

Originally posted by HondaRacer300ex
If it say's EX, it's EXtra slow.
:rolleyes: another suzuki a**hole why dont u go buy another gusset kit and stop brand bashing :)

[USAF Dirtboy]

^^^LMAO:D :D :p :p :p :blah: :blah: :blah:

[jaredZ400rider]

Originally posted by DOHC
:rolleyes: another suzuki a**hole why dont u go buy another gusset kit and stop brand bashing :)

its just because suzuki is better.

[DOHC]

Originally posted by jaredZ400rider
its just because suzuki is better.
When did this happen :confused:

[USAF Dirtboy]

Originally posted by jaredZ400rider
its just because suzuki is better.

Ok? i guess I failed to realize that breaking frames is better...WOW dude, your awesome

[4stroke4ever400]

u guys need to get urs heads out of ur asses cause $65 will fix the frame problem. I think thats better then speding like $500 to make a 400ex as fast as a z400/kfx. And before you start talking **** i shall let u know i race a kfx with full lt suspsension and STOCK motor and i pulled 4th in the holeshot out of 20 riders and everyone had 450's except 1. Heres a pic of my quad-
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/matt7251/Reubild064.jpg

[DOHC]

Originally posted by 4stroke4ever400
[B]u guys need to get urs heads out of ur asses cause $65 will fix the frame problem. I think thats better then speding like $500 to make a 400ex as fast as a z400/kfx. And before you start talking **** i shall let u know i race a kfx with full lt suspsension and STOCK motor and i pulled 4th in the holeshot out of 20 riders and everyone had 450's except 1. Heres a pic of my quad-
Um buddy its all the rider, u could be an amazing rider and ride 300ex and still throw it around and do pretty good, plus it cost more money than that to put a gusset kit in if u dont know how (i do know how tho) its alot of labour to strip it down to bare frame and put one in, i would know im doing it right now

[4stroke4ever400]

um lets ee ive done 3 frames already and you dont need to strip it down to bare frame. Pull the plastics and gas tank and every thing can be welded in. All the z's really need is is the front shocks and they fixed it pretty good on the 05's cause all last year i mxed on mine and didnt get any paint chip and it was on stock suspension

[DOHC]

Originally posted by 4stroke4ever400
um lets ee ive done 3 frames already and you dont need to strip it down to bare frame. Pull the plastics and gas tank and every thing can be welded in. All the z's really need is is the front shocks and they fixed it pretty good on the 05's cause all last year i mxed on mine and didnt get any paint chip and it was on stock suspension
lol u gotta paint the frame u cant leave it bare metal there, plus when u do it u have to make perfect welds

[4stroke4ever400]

really i never knew that??:eek2: :rolleyes: its not hard to make perfect welds. Tell me wut gusset would be hard to put in with th plastics,and gas tank off?

[DOHC]

ur an idiot u still have to paint the frame

[fast_enough]

Originally posted by DOHC
:rolleyes: another suzuki a**hole why dont u go buy another gusset kit and stop brand bashing :)

First off I do believe he meant it more as a joke. I'm sure you can take one of them, right? Besides what are you gusseting?

[4stroke4ever400]

Originally posted by DOHC
ur an idiot u still have to paint the frame
Ok wow!!!Another Impossible Problem!! Go to rocky mountain and get the matching frame paint. The guess wut?? Paint!!! Use some cardboard and masking tape so u dont get overspray anywhere

i have to go with kawaski

[johnnydufus]

oh you cant forget about the mag clutch covers either...







but yea all in all i think a "done right" 416 would beat a z400.. but with cams in the z400 its all zook

i own both of these bikes and prefer the z400 because of the suspension and reverse.. all bikes have problems

[4stroke4ever400]

Ok don't forget about thme being slow, having shocks that bottom out on like 2ft jumps and a quad that just handles and looks like ****.except the new ones with 450r plastics(real orignal) o ya don't forget about that fact that no one has raced them pro since like 4 yrs ago.

[TheZis2Fst4U]

this is why you don't post "V.S" topics in this forum. Always starts a war.

[Tri-valleyracin]

^^^^ i agree

i have to say a good built 416 wold be a z400, and this is comeing from a person that his dad has a z400 and i have a 300ex, but this a few little things the z400 would take it. i think it depends on the rider more though.

i hate when there a (V.S.) thread cuse no one give good info cuse if it was a drag 416 most likly, track = rider, woods=rider,

and what if the kfx400 had a 150 lbs rider and the 416 had a 250 lbs rider. come on guys this is stupid. theres only three brands i ride kawasaki, suzuki, and honda. i have riden the 400ex and z400 ill take a z400 over a 400ex any day but if i could get a 400ex at a good price i would take a ex too.

i do have one question for DOHC, y is ur name DOHC? becuse no honda has DOHC?

[4stroke4ever400]

Originally posted by Tri-valleyracin

i do have one question for DOHC, y is ur name DOHC? becuse no honda has DOHC? [/B]
honda civics :p :D :blah:

[Tri-valleyracin]

only some do lol i was realy taking about a quad or dirt bike.
civics suck any ways

[DOHC]

i do have one question for DOHC, y is ur name DOHC? becuse no honda has DOHC? [/B][/QUOTE]
cause i also have a scrambler and i had that before i bought my 440 and it has dual over head cam :p

[Taz14racer]

Hey Hey Hey now.. didnt Doug Gust get like 1st in 04 and 2nd in 05 on Z400? Oh ya he did. Wait a second, wasnt he killin 450R and YFZ's



burn to all u 400ex lovers hahaha!!!!

[Penler]

doug gust is an amazing rider, and his quad was worth more than ur life.. enough said... a well built 416 would win, and both the ex and z's are good, they have pro's and cons.. and just because u own one doesnt mean there better...ride em both and share an opinion, because its alot of preferance if u can ride a ex comfortable and a z not so, u might be faster on an ex...

[Taz14racer]

Ok ya its worth more than my life sure ....... its more like a box of tooth picks is worth more than urs (BURN:devil: )


Besides my dad own a 416ex and its a piece of **** cuz its always breakin down and i would no how it feels BURN again :devil:

[DOHC]

Originally posted by Taz14racer
Ok ya its worth more than my life sure ....... its more like a box of tooth picks is worth more than urs (BURN:devil: )


Besides my dad own a 416ex and its a piece of **** cuz its always breakin down and i would no how it feels BURN again :devil:
is that why the 400ex is one of the most relaible quads there is and trust me john natile kicked doug gust *** bud on a honda :p

[CHEVYZ]

There is only one true way to settle arguments of this type between members.... and that is for some riders to get together and put them to the test. Obviously, everyone has different opinions and has different experiences. That is cool, but don't make it into one being better than the other. I owned by 400Ex for 7 years with very few mods and it not only ran strong, but I never broke or even put much of any wear on the bike other than general things like tires. On the other hand, I met a guy with a 400EX that had it for 2 weeks and the clutch started slipping. Not all bikes run the same! That is why there is more than one quad built in the first place, though. Everyone can go out and get what they like.

[Taz14racer]

Originally posted by DOHC
is that why the 400ex is one of the most relaible quads there is and trust me john natile kicked doug gust *** bud on a honda :p


Ok if its the most reliable "4wheeler" y is it breakin done then???


didnt his seat fall off at Helens and he got 3rd??
oh ya he did!!

And he let Doug pass him... hahah....... honda riders!!


(come on now common sense)

[DOHC]

Originally posted by Taz14racer
Ok if its the most reliable "4wheeler" y is it breakin done then???


didnt his seat fall off at Helens and he got 3rd??
oh ya he did!!

And he let Doug pass him... hahah....... honda riders!!


(come on now common sense)
is that why he finsish with the most points last year hahaha

[tar]

Hey Hey Hey now.. didnt Doug Gust get like 1st in 04 and 2nd in 05 on Z400? Oh ya he did. Wait a second, wasnt he killin 450R and YFZ's

First off his four wheeler is a z450 not a z400.

[Taz14racer]

ok TAR its a Z400 with a 450 kit dumbass.......

[tar]

ok TAR its a Z400 with a 450 kit dumbass.......

Go put a tampon in or something

[450rJam]

this is getting funny..........
IMO
the 416 should pull it (everything else equal- pipes,filters etc.)
on the other hand not much is equal, so race best of say 5
then trade quads and do it again.
post results for the crow eating.
not all 416's are created equal
neither are all kfx/z400's
so just because a zuki can beat one 416 dont mean he can beat them all
and vise versa.

oh yeah my valve stem caps are faster than yours

[CFRacer03]

I had a 400ex and I debored it down to use a XR100 piston and I beat Doug Gust around Glen Helen, he was on his last year's yoshi Z450, we did 55 laps, it was a close race but I still beat him

[MerrellR89]

DOHC is gettin outnumbered.. haha, Id love to line up against him and blow his little 416 sh** away. The Z's are 100% more comfortable any way, they gotta huge seat and just everything about them is more comfortable than the ex's. I think DOHC is done, he can go play with his polaris DOHC scrambler!!!