HDUSA arms installed..

[Racing Rice]

Well the parts are installed. I still have some work to do, but here is an idea of how they look. They seem to be really well made, and everything fit great! I'll have install details coming later.

Lower A-arm.
http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/204-1/DSCF0641.JPG

Top A-arm.
http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/206-1/DSCF0642.JPG

Difference.
http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/208-1/DSCF0644.JPG

Back on the ground.
http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/210-1/DSCF0648.JPG

[quaddy87]

is there a difference in width?

[Racing Rice]

They are +2+0 arms. I will measure the width after I get everything adjusted out.

[PismoLocal]

Looks great, You should write a review for how your shocks perform with +2 arms? I almost bought a pair of those shocks but i found a killer deal on some used axis std travel shocks.

[Racing Rice]

No fear, I will write a review as soon as I get a ride or two. I still need to see how well these shocks perform on a track. I've only done trailriding with them. I also have procedures coming for replacing the a-arms.:)

[Colby@C&DRacing]

http://www.atvriders.com/atvproductreviews/ishockatvfrontsuspensioni5500kitreview.html

[TBD]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
They are +2+0 arms. I will measure the width after I get everything adjusted out.
I don't mean to get to critical but the arms are +2.2" and 0 forward. I also would like to know how the shocks work and how it was to change them to work with the longer arms. I haven't had a chance to work with the Fox floats yet.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by TBD
I don't mean to get to critical but the arms are +2.2" and 0 forward. I also would like to know how the shocks work and how it was to change them to work with the longer arms. I haven't had a chance to work with the Fox floats yet.

Thanks for the correction, TBD. The box just said +2+0. I can't wait to get everything aligned, so I can measure then and see how much width I actually gained. I'm itching to ride on this setup. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to wait a little while due to my ignorance. I stripped out one of the tierod ends because I didn't realize it was reverse threaded. :o So I get to go to my Yamaha dealer and have them order me a new one.:ermm:


TBD, If you ever get to Ohio give me a shout and I'll let you take it for a spin.:D

[TBD]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Thanks for the correction, TBD. The box just said +2+0. I can't wait to get everything aligned, so I can measure then and see how much width I actually gained. I'm itching to ride on this setup. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to wait a little while due to my ignorance. I stripped out one of the tierod ends because I didn't realize it was reverse threaded. :o So I get to go to my Yamaha dealer and have them order me a new one.:ermm:
To bad about the tie rod end. Make sure that the tie rod is ok as well. I didn't realize it until now that you have a Raptor. They are +2". The YFZ arms are +2.2". Sorry about that.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by TBD
To bad about the tie rod end. Make sure that the tie rod is ok as well.


Thanks the HD tierod is fine. I screwed it up while I was trying to loosen the nut to take it apart. It was the first one I did, that is why I didn't realize that I was going the wrong way. The other side went together great though.:D

[TBD]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
Thanks the HD tierod is fine. I screwed it up while I was trying to loosen the nut to take it apart. It was the first one I did, that is why I didn't realize that I was going the wrong way. The other side went together great though.:D
That's good. I'll be waiting to hear how it goes with the shock adjustment for the longer arms.

[Racing Rice]

The local Yamaha dealer had the parts that I needed in stock, so I was able to get everything together tonight.

It appears that it lowered it another .5 inch. Before the arms the frame under the foot pegs were 9 inches off the ground. Now it is 8.5 inches.

I also measured the width. The front is 48 inches and the back is 46. I'm going to try to ride it around the yard tomorrow and see if my alignment is atleast close. I have no idea what I'm doing there. It appears that my camber is pretty close. I bought a Angle finder, and it appears to be 2*.. I'm afraid I may have the toe all screwed up though. We shall see.

[Racing Rice]

Here are some pics of the finished product.

http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/245-1/DSCF0672.JPG

http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/247-1/DSCF0673.JPG

http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/253-1/DSCF0677.JPG

http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/255-1/DSCF0678.JPG

[bradley300]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
I'm afraid I may have the toe all screwed up though. We shall see.

for a yamaha, you want to have no toe, it seems to work best on all the yamaha's ive ridden. just measure the front end from the middle of the tire half way up, front and back. adjust the tierods until you come up with the same number front and back. then double check and make sure your handlebars are straight

[Racing Rice]

I measured it again after I got everything together. It is less then 1/4 of an inch toe-in, which is what HDUSA recommended. I took it for a ride and it feels fine. I'll probably leave it like that and see how it feels the next time I go riding.

[mdidonne]

did you have to replace all your brake lines and other cables to compensate for the extra width on the arms. I want to go with +2 arms also, and I wanted to know if I have to replace all the cables.

Thankx
Mike

[Racing Rice]

The stock lines would reach the calipers if you re routed them, but it was VERY tight. I would not want to ride it with stock lines on extended arms. The lines are only $75, it's worth the peace of mind. They were very easy to bleed with that Vac. It only took me about 10 minutes, and I am by no means an expert mechanic.

[adrenalinefreak]

Hey guys..

I just installed my shocks right before my race this weekend. They were awesome. I have the full setup for Ishock or Hydrodynamics USA. They were extremely easy to install. They complete package comes with very nice brake lines and everything including tools you need for the suspension.

My race consisted of some pretty harsh whoops...pretty much 11 miles worth...with some straight aways, but the whoops were very demanding...the shocks were AWESOME...my arms are still intact. I wish they had a rear shock...I got bucked quite a bit...

As for the tow..I was talking with one of the ALBA techs and he said for some people (including those on YFZs) that you might want to toe just slightly inward...like the tip of the tire inward toward the frame...meaning the bottom of the tire is out further than the top...allows you to go into a corner and the bike will do most of the work for you...

He also said for the tie rods to use the Hondas tire rods because they are solid instead of like the Yamahas hollow tie rods...was useful information. Take it for what it's worth...the tie rods I received from HDUSA were the same. I'll try and get some pictures up.

[Racing Rice]

Originally posted by adrenalinefreak

As for the tow..I was talking with one of the ALBA techs and he said for some people (including those on YFZs) that you might want to toe just slightly inward...like the tip of the tire inward toward the frame...meaning the bottom of the tire is out further than the top...allows you to go into a corner and the bike will do most of the work for you...

I think you are refering to camber, not toe. Camber is if you lay on your stomach look at the front of the quad the and the wheels look like this //-\\ you have negative camber. \\-// you have positive camber.

Now sit on your quad and look over the handle bars down at the top of the tires. It your tires do this // ^ \\ that is toe-in. If they do this \\ ^ // that is toe-out.

Hope that made sense. :D

This site will give you a better idea of how each affects steering.
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html





He also said for the tie rods to use the Hondas tire rods because they are solid instead of like the Yamahas hollow tie rods...was useful information. Take it for what it's worth...the tie rods I received from HDUSA were the same. I'll try and get some pictures up.

It's a known fact that Honda Tie Rods are stronger then Yamaha tie rods. Ricky stator and a few other companies sell honda style tie rods for Yamahas.

[adrenalinefreak]

Thanks man...

New to the whole concept of camber and toe and all the other technical knowledge.

All I know is it was much better having a front suspension...now i really need rear and a better thumb. Anybody have an insahpe thumb that never gets tired? LOL...j/k I plan on working that problem out..that is the only thing that held me back because i was balls out on the whoops..except when I couldn't push the throttle...

[adrenalinefreak]

Just in case you guys don't see these over in the other thread...pictures from my race.

[adrenalinefreak]

One of the smaller whoop sections at Adelanto GP 2006

[adrenalinefreak]

Another picture from the race....the a-arms and shocks were brown by this point...my quad had about an inch thick of mud all over at the end of the race...lol....I was loving every minute of that race...

[Racing Rice]

Nice pics! Looks like fun.:)

[Jersey450R]

lovin my set up. the ishocks are working great :D

[Racing Rice]

Nice pic! :macho