250's kept up with the 450's on the supercross race

[Mean250r]

the CR250's kept up with those 450's pretty damn well, i mean mcgrath was hauling some *** on the CR250 and beat many 4 strokes. in one of the moto's some guy on a yellow CR250 (number 3) pulled the hole shot.

[muddy400EX]

i dont know what race your talking about but number 3 is mike brown and its a suzuki. at the st. louis race saturday there was only one 2-stroke and it was mike brown. lol

Originally posted by Mean250r
the CR250's kept up with those 450's pretty damn well, i mean mcgrath was hauling some *** on the CR250 and beat many 4 strokes. in one of the moto's some guy on a yellow CR250 (number 3) pulled the hole shot. McGrath switched to a 450 a few weeks ago. The guy on the "Yellow CR250" Was Mike Brown on an RM250 who has since switched to a 4-stroke as well. What race were you watching?

P.S.- I'm 99% sure only 1 person has finished in the top 10 on a 250 2 smoke.

[watts16]

MX428 it was the Phoenix race.
1.RC
2.REED
3. Bubba
4. McGrath on the 2 stroke

[zeppelin]

the top guys could win on either bike, the factories are just pushing them to ride the 450s

[Mean250r]

idk the race that was on today , tuesday the 21

[nice55555]

Actually mike brown hasn't switched to a 4 stroke he is still on a 2 :rolleyes:

[Mean250r]

Originally posted by nice55555
Actually mike brown hasn't switched to a 4 stroke he is still on a 2 :rolleyes:

yeh i thought so, these kids :rolleyes:


jk

[el diablo]

I'd rather run a 2 stroke then the 450s or any thumper, lay it over takes a couple kicks, thumpers ehh

valves, cams etc to worry about.

2 strokes are niice, piston, and cylinder and head lol

[muddy400EX]

ya brown is still on a 2-stroke, if i was doing supercross i would rather run a 2-stroke

[Mean250r]

if i was into moto cross, i prob would ride a 4 stroke unless it was in the 125 class.

[trx400exxracer]

it looks like the 450's have too much power for the supercross tracks :eek2:

[prepracing]

Originally posted by Mean250r
idk the race that was on today , tuesday the 21

all the supercross races ( from this year ) were on today...some kind of presidents day marathon thing

[honduh440]

like said before any of them guys can run 2 or 4 stroke and be in the points chase. but no matter what anyone says the 450s are faster on the track.

Originally posted by Mean250r
yeh i thought so, these kids :rolleyes:


jk WerdNerd said he was switching on MotoNews, I just figured he was right cause he's an insider.

Originally posted by nice55555
Actually mike brown hasn't switched to a 4 stroke he is still on a 2 :rolleyes: Ethier way, he still can't run anywhere near the front.

[prepracing]

Isn't Atlanta,GA supercross this weekend ? Whose it gonna be Bubba or RC ????

[96lapis coupe]

Hopefully they both bite it again like last week and Reed wins again.:D

[440exnacsracer]

Originally posted by prepracing
Isn't Atlanta,GA supercross this weekend ? Whose it gonna be Bubba or RC ????


i think bubba will take it. he was riding extremely smooth last weekend, as opposed to RC. Reed has also stepped it up, despite some rough races earlier. ill be there, anyone else? i will probably be at daytona also

[bradley300]

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
P.S.- I'm 99% sure only 1 person has finished in the top 10 on a 250 2 smoke.

only becasue the fourstrokes get a unfair advantage, bring the four storkes down a few cc where its equal and you would see alot more 2 strokes.
people (not factory) are just riding the fourstrokes becasue you can get more power.

[zeppelin]

Originally posted by bradley300
only becasue the fourstrokes get a unfair advantage, bring the four storkes down a few cc where its equal and you would see alot more 2 strokes.
people (not factory) are just riding the fourstrokes becasue you can get more power.
i find that hard to belive that more than half of the riders switched to 4-strokes this season just because the four-stroke has more power, imo if kawasaki didnt give bubba a big bonus for riding their new 450 he would still beriding the 250. same with reed ricky.

Originally posted by zeppelin
i find that hard to belive that more than half of the riders switched to 4-strokes this season just because the four-stroke has more power, imo if kawasaki didnt give bubba a big bonus for riding their new 450 he would still beriding the 250. same with reed ricky. Bubba almost left Kawasaki because they didn't have the 450 for nationals. I think he welcomed the 450 with open arms.

[willow2679]

trx400exxracer it¡s not the more power the 4s has is the power delivery that has the 2s that is better for the SX track, instant throttle response and hard hit is necesary to clear the big jumps they made because they don´t have too much room like on a MX track

[Tommy 17]

when u own one of the 4 strokes and ride one its easy to tell they are SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER!!!

i have alot of seat time on every 125 made but the kawi... switched over to my crf250 and my god is it better... the power is so much smoother and there instantly compared to the 125s... none of that wide open into a turn with the clutch half in...

[zeppelin]

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
Bubba almost left Kawasaki because they didn't have the 450 for nationals. I think he welcomed the 450 with open arms. K? then why was he the only one riding the 125 while they had the 250f out?

[Mean250r]

i liked seeing RC on the CR250. Bubba is amazing tho. prob one of my fav.

[willow2679]

The thing is maybe for the mere mortals the 4S is the best but for something some riders keep them for racing, maybe they switch bikes were one of them is best for the moment

Originally posted by zeppelin
K? then why was he the only one riding the 125 while they had the 250f out? Because he liked it. He almost left Kawi because they didn't have the 450 ready for the nats. What does the 125 have to do with that?

[nice55555]

zepplin mx428 is right bubba was on the verge of leaving kawasaki if they didn't get a 4fiddy out. He even said on t.v. that he hated the 250 and he was out powered

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by zeppelin
K? then why was he the only one riding the 125 while they had the 250f out?


because the 1st edition of the kxf250f and the rmz250s SUCK! the 125 was better...


did u notice kawi don't even sell a 125 in the us anymore!

Originally posted by Tommy 17
because the 1st edition of the kxf250f and the rmz250s SUCK! the 125 was better...


did u notice kawi don't even sell a 125 in the us anymore! I still have the 1st KXF250 in PA. I never had any problems. I hate people that trash the kawazukis and don't even have one.

[400exrules]

david vuillaman is still sportin a 250 2-stroke, he's pretty fast....not as fast as rc, bubba and reed, though, of course

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
I still have the 1st KXF250 in PA. I never had any problems. I hate people that trash the kawazukis and don't even have one.

i don't own one but my good buddy does and its a pos! it over heats consantly... to change the oil u have to take the antifreeze out... the suspension sucks... its just junk all around compared to the honda, yammy, and ktms...


the new 06 is a nice bike thou!

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i don't own one but my good buddy does and its a pos! it over heats consantly... to change the oil u have to take the antifreeze out... the suspension sucks... its just junk all around compared to the honda, yammy, and ktms...


the new 06 is a nice bike thou! If he used the proper coolant, got a boysen waterpump cover, and knew how to set up his suspension he would be fine. A please don't compare anything to a KickTillMonday.

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
If he used the proper coolant, got a boysen waterpump cover, and knew how to set up his suspension he would be fine. A please don't compare anything to a KickTillMonday.

i don't care what water pump cover u have to buy its still a ****ty set up...

the suspension is done by pro action and it still isn't as good as the others...


face it the bike is junk compared to the others... i know a factory suzuki rider and u'd be amazed what he says about the kxf and rmz...

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i don't care what water pump cover u have to buy its still a ****ty set up...

the suspension is done by pro action and it still isn't as good as the others...


face it the bike is junk compared to the others... i know a factory suzuki rider and u'd be amazed what he says about the kxf and rmz... I'm guessing you're talking about Hepler, because he's the only Factory lites rider, and If he was bad-mouthing Suzuki to other people he would be in serious trouble. My bikes aren't ****ty, maybe your friends is but that doesn't mean they all are.

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
I'm guessing you're talking about Hepler, because he's the only Factory lites rider, and If he was bad-mouthing Suzuki to other people he would be in serious trouble. My bikes aren't ****ty, maybe your friends is but that doesn't mean they all are.

i can't say who it is because of it... but if u only knew some of the stuff i've been told u'd be amazed... theres alot of behinds the scene stuff thats pretty darn crazy!

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i can't say who it is because of it... but if u only knew some of the stuff i've been told u'd be amazed... theres alot of behinds the scene stuff thats pretty darn crazy! Well you kind of already said who it was, but anyway all bikes have their short comings, no bike is anywhere near perfect.

[muddy400EX]

even though 2 strokes will soon be dead i think its cool to see them out on the track, to me it looked like brown was doing pretty good at the st.louis race. he was outriding alot of the 4strokes.

what i dont think it fair is that they were able to make the 4 stroke bikes as big they wanted to, they couldnt make the 2 strokes any bigger cuz 250 is as big as it could be for its class. if you look at it, yamaha made a 400f bike a few years ago, then made a 426f, then finally a 450. all they were doing is making 4 strokes bigger and bigger until they totally dominated the 2 strokes, so of course the 2 stroke bikes will be slower:ermm: u can only make a 250 2 stroke go so fast until you run out of mods to do

[nice55555]

Originally posted by 400exrules
david vuillaman is still sportin a 250 2-stroke, he's pretty fast....not as fast as rc, bubba and reed, though, of course

Actually david isn't on a 2 stroke anymore atleast he wasn't at st. louis last weekend.

exactly what muddy400ex said, yamaha made the 400F and then the 426 and then the 450...if the 450 wouldnt of worked like the other they would have gone to 485 or 500!! The 2 strokes are at such a disadvantage, Now that the companys have been putting all the time and money into them lets make a TRUE 250 class and a TRUE 125 class...2 stroke and 4 stroke...2 stroke 250 vs the 4 stroke 250 what is so unfair about that? nothing! I am a hard core 2 stroke fan and i think its hilarious my 250R or 350 banshee from the 80s still outrun 660cc and 700cc quads from the mid 2000s...if they would just update a 2 stroke motor in a quad frame and a company had the balls to produce it, they would dominate...as for dirt bikes go, for the 450s, make an open 400cc+ class...bring back the 500 2 strokes...lets make it really interesting!! Start stuffing 520 4 strokes VS new updated 500cc 2 strokes I think it would be great! But the bottom line is lets make it a fair fight for both sides...Its just like putting a ligthweight 125 pound fighter agenst a 250 pound heavy weight, and the lightweight can still hang, it says alot!

[hondardr4life]

I agree. 2-strokes can meet emissions, ans they can make them superpowerful these days. but for some reason they don't want to. Oh well, Everybody go ahead and hop on the bandwagon and be the same as everyother person in the world with your 4 strokes. I like 4 strokes a lot, and personally I don't prefer one to the other. I like a little of both types of motors. I love the insane hit of a 2 stroke powerband, but I love the low end grunt of a 4 stroke. I just think its stupid everyone can abandon 2 strokes so easily, and say that they suck. Oh well, it doesnt really matter to me. And Tommy is right about those kawi bikes. I can't ride a dirtbike worth **** but I know what power is, and those crf 250's are incredible!!

I could care less between 2 and 4 strokes, I like both, and think both deserve respect. I just can't stand it when people tell me im riding an old, outdaed, underpowered dinosaur. It's just as fast as all these new high powered 4 strokes. No matter what you ride, at least you actually do ride.. Enough said

[zeppelin]

Originally posted by Honda86
exactly what muddy400ex said, yamaha made the 400F and then the 426 and then the 450...if the 450 wouldnt of worked like the other they would have gone to 485 or 500!! The 2 strokes are at such a disadvantage, Now that the companys have been putting all the time and money into them lets make a TRUE 250 class and a TRUE 125 class...2 stroke and 4 stroke...2 stroke 250 vs the 4 stroke 250 what is so unfair about that? nothing! I am a hard core 2 stroke fan and i think its hilarious my 250R or 350 banshee from the 80s still outrun 660cc and 700cc quads from the mid 2000s...if they would just update a 2 stroke motor in a quad frame and a company had the balls to produce it, they would dominate...as for dirt bikes go, for the 450s, make an open 400cc+ class...bring back the 500 2 strokes...lets make it really interesting!! Start stuffing 520 4 strokes VS new updated 500cc 2 strokes I think it would be great! But the bottom line is lets make it a fair fight for both sides...Its just like putting a ligthweight 125 pound fighter agenst a 250 pound heavy weight, and the lightweight can still hang, it says alot! actualy yamaha would have stayed with the 426, but honda came out with a 450, and it would have been dumb for yamaha not to do the same

[rmz250]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
because the 1st edition of the kxf250f and the rmz250s SUCK! the 125 was better...


did u notice kawi don't even sell a 125 in the us anymore!

Yeah they had their problems, I got the procircuit waterpump cover, engine ice, andkibblewhite valves and I have a solid bike. Lets not forget about how reliable the crf is.

[FHKracingZ]

You guys are retarded.. " Lets make it a true 250cc Class" are you a idiot? A 4 stroke fires every other time up, compared to a 2strokes everytime up.. if u wanna get technical why not go 500cc to make it TRUELY even. If all the manufactuers took a 400cc 4 stroke motor and spent alot of R and D it would still be faster then a 250cc 2 stroke.....

MC has rode a 2 stroke his WHOLE career.. Just 2 weeks ago right after his switch to 4 stroke he said on the 4 stroke he felt faster then he ever has...

[ATC600X]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
You guys are retarded.. " Lets make it a true 250cc Class" are you a idiot? A 4 stroke fires every other time up, compared to a 2strokes everytime up.. if u wanna get technical why not go 500cc to make it TRUELY even. If all the manufactuers took a 400cc 4 stroke motor and spent alot of R and D it would still be faster then a 250cc 2 stroke.....

MC has rode a 2 stroke his WHOLE career.. Just 2 weeks ago right after his switch to 4 stroke he said on the 4 stroke he felt faster then he ever has...

a lot of people also get payed ffrom the factories to talk good about it, hell id say that about a 4 stroke for a couple grand, a new bike, and sick factory parts.... :p jus kiddin, kinda, but its prolly true that he like the new 450s better than the new 250s, because of there higher technology levela nd the amount of testing goin into them

but, it also depends what type of racin he was doin...
and as of today, the 4 strokes are a helluva lot more testing time into the motors than the 250s are getting, because they plan on droppin the 2 smokes soon, sadly, so there not very concerned about them dominating the class, and they want to promote there new bikes rather than a style bike thats been a round for 25+ years, theyre tried and true, the 4 pokes are new to a lot of people in there dirtbikes so factories are pushin tos how they can be made into beasts that dominate the 250 2 stroles because of the lack of technology and testing going into them.....
To Each There Own, its not worth arguing, everyone gots an opinion, but it is fun arguin too.....

[ATC600X]

Originally posted by FHKracingZ
You guys are retarded.. " Lets make it a true 250cc Class" are you a idiot? A 4 stroke fires every other time up, compared to a 2strokes everytime up.. if u wanna get technical why not go 500cc to make it TRUELY even

Agreed, i dont know what you guys are talkin bout, oh 250 2 stroke vs 250 4 stroke, no comparison guys, come on now. get with the program

i understand a 4 stroke engine fires every other time it comes up and all, and i have been riding 2 strokes for as long as i can remember, i am just saying lets make all the classes, EVEN SIZED MOTORS...if they came out with Rotary (SP?) motors in the future(whitch i truly beleive will come one day), lets have those be the same size as the 2 stroke and 4 stroke that they would be racing agenst...what is so wrong with being the same size motors running agenst each other?? NOTHING! its just they try so hard to push the new 4 strokes they gave them 450cc to a 250cc and a 250cc to a 125cc advantage...but bottom line power to weight ratio of a motor, the 2 stroke will dominate....I think there should be three classes...125cc, 250cc and 400cc+...all 2 strokes and 4 strokes the same size motors and then let whatever happens, happen and what sells, continue to produce and whatever dont, stop making and what do you all think would still be on the market? The 2006 low smoking 2 stroke

[250rider1]

4 strokes and 2 strokes will be argued about forever. its all preference. either way i dont care because they both have their ups and downs. my buddy rides a 2005 crf250 and it is amazingly fast for being stock. i ride a cr125 and i think that bike is just as good as his. it all depends if i want the arm rippin powerband of a 2 stroke or the easy ride of a 4 stroke. the 2 strokes will come back. its a cycle that will just go back and forth. i ride a 250r and a cr125 so im a 2 stroke guy i guess. as long as you ride it doesnt matter.

[ATC600X]

Originally posted by Honda86
i understand a 4 stroke engine fires every other time it comes up and all, and i have been riding 2 strokes for as long as i can remember, i am just saying lets make all the classes, EVEN SIZED MOTORS...if they came out with Rotary (SP?) motors in the future(whitch i truly beleive will come one day), lets have those be the same size as the 2 stroke and 4 stroke that they would be racing agenst...what is so wrong with being the same size motors running agenst each other?? NOTHING! its just they try so hard to push the new 4 strokes they gave them 450cc to a 250cc and a 250cc to a 125cc advantage...but bottom line power to weight ratio of a motor, the 2 stroke will dominate....I think there should be three classes...125cc, 250cc and 400cc+...all 2 strokes and 4 strokes the same size motors and then let whatever happens, happen and what sells, continue to produce and whatever dont, stop making and what do you all think would still be on the market? The 2006 low smoking 2 stroke

If you understand so well, why do you want there to be even cc sized motors whether its 2 or 4 stroke?racing is supposed to be competitve not for some people to dominte and the others get dominated.....thats why they make it 125/250 250/450, because its fair, fun, and competitive....typically, a 2 stroke with the same technology should make just about the same power as a 4stroke with twice the amount of CC's, so theres no reason to have the same ,motor-sized bikes in the same class whether its 2 or 4 stroke...

and are you talking about rotary motors such as rotax motors, or such as the ones in a few of the cars out there?(not sure about what ways make the car motors rotary motors, because im not into the imported stuff with cars :chinese: if there the same, forgive me, i believe there in the RX-7s, right?)