+2 front ends

[Honda TRX250ex]

post pics of your +2 front ends please

[Over-land 450r]

american stars..... the cheap and reliable way to go.
i got them on my 450r. i jump 20ft in the air and i trust them all the way. break or bend 1 send it back with $20 and youll get a new one. can go wrong if you dont want to worry about money. 4608222666 search that on ebay good luck

Here is a customers bike with an i-shock +2 setup....

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d169/FUELATV2005/FUELATVPHOTOSHOOT2.jpg

[EvilJester400EX]

Originally posted by Over-land 450r
american stars..... the cheap and reliable way to go.
i got them on my 450r. i jump 20ft in the air and i trust them all the way. break or bend 1 send it back with $20 and youll get a new one. can go wrong if you dont want to worry about money. 4608222666 search that on ebay good luck

Cheap? Yes.
Reliable? If you're on crack.

[Warnerade]

what?

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nacsracer27/bba8e05e30ed120b3fa50c1e38e736970_full.gif

[jwick07]

only pic I have on this computer
LSR race series they are completely adjustable. Love em

[brandon34r]

heres my 450r and 426ex

450 has +2 burgards
426 has +2+1 burgards

[brandon34r]

and heres the new setup with the PEP's

[Franky G]

Houser +2 on a 400EX

http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/honda-400ex-99-bikepics-506899.jpg

http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/honda-400ex-99-bikepics-506903.jpg

[NacsMXer]

JD Performance +2 +0 front end. I've had these since they were first released with no problems whatsoever. Awesome arms for the price ($445 back then). They've been repowdercoated and fully rebuilt with new-style balljoints and bushings since then.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p6e893304802ad828afdea1fcc58d5c34/f5af106f.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/pb19fb4c8fab0717bcaac875ca7e6d5d5/f5af1b06.jpg

[PismoLocal]

eviljester at 15 doubt you have a-stars or have had them? i have them on my 400 and i like them too i ride track and dunes and havent had a problem yet .

[450r51]

+2.5+1 new style lsr dc4s

[Over-land 450r]

there just as thick as other aftermarkets and there good hiems.
i trust them totally. belive it or not there pretty good. so much better than stock.
and my buddy noes how to ride and he had the i shock package and already bent them in about a week. hardly ridden.

[TBD]

Originally posted by Over-land 450r
there just as thick as other aftermarkets and there good hiems.
i trust them totally. belive it or not there pretty good. so much better than stock.
and my buddy noes how to ride and he had the i shock package and already bent them in about a week. hardly ridden.
Hiems on the lower pivots is never a good idea. I've seen there hiems. They are not chromolly or composite lined hiems so how good of quality can they be. But the price does reflect there quality. There are a few other choices at that price level.

[Over-land 450r]

the a-arms are chromally. but i dont no about the hiem...

trust them over burgards..JMO... burgards are nice, any color powdercoat you want. but i dont think there beefy and heard alot from the tracks the the balljoint break.

[TBD]

Originally posted by Over-land 450r
the a-arms are chromally. but i dont no about the hiem...

trust them over burgards..JMO... burgards are nice, any color powdercoat you want. but i dont think there beefy and heard alot from the tracks the the balljoint break.

Ok the arms are chromoly. Now you attach the chromoly tube that is rated at around 40,000.00 psi tensile strength to a hiem that is rated at 4,000.00 psi (I'm probablly high on that number but I'll give them the benifit). Hiems are made and rated to work end to end (radial static loads) not flat (axial static loads). When they are used flat the rating on the hiem is only 10 percent of the radial static position in which hiems were designed for.

I agree with you on the Burgard ball joints. I use to use that style of ball joint in my arms. Because it is threaded on the shank it will allow the ball joint to fail sooner then a Frap style (Laeger) ball joint which has a machined shoulder.

[Pappy]

Burgard offers all level of arms, wether it has the crappy 14mm ball joint or the frap style.

[T@AFP]

ATV Four Play's new MGC series +2".

[Honda TRX250ex]

alright thats guys

[TheFontMaster]

Burgard +2's on my 250r.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/fonty/Picture299.jpg

[Eddiesanders250]

Hey ive seen that pic before, Im waiting on my +2.5 LT arms

damn you i want that hood......

[roperr]

All-Star does offer different types of hiems, so don't be so quick to judge on that. And not all All-STARS are chromoly!! I have a set of +3 LT All-Star arm, and they are great!! Their customer service is also wonderful!!:cool:

[Killer250EX]

So whats better hemi or ball joints?

[Over-land 450r]

mild steel and chromally ...... i dont realli no if hiems are better.

[MXRACER86]

I have "HEARD" that the I-shock a-arms are breaking and bending?? Does anybody know if this is true? Other than that i heard that there are awesome shocks!

[TBD]

Originally posted by Killer250EX
So whats better hemi or ball joints?
Ball joints all the way.

ptillman, that's not just a judgement that is years of exprience. I'm very familar with ASR products.

I have sold alot of i-shock arms, and have yet to hear anything like this. Who have you heard this from? I have a set on a customers z400, and he beats the piss out of it ....... no problems.

[roperr]

Good hiems that are sealed are good but they cost. If you wrap the hiems, they will last as long as a ball joint or longer. I run kevlar sealed hiems and wrap them with a neoprene/velcro wrap, and mine last for a really long time.

[Nospowered400]

Houser + 2

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/medium/6733Kevins_Pics_0271.jpg

ptillman do you run these heims to mount your spindels?

[HDUSA]

Originally posted by MXRACER86
I have "HEARD" that the I-shock a-arms are breaking and bending?? Does anybody know if this is true? Other than that i heard that there are awesome shocks!

We have had a few sets reported as bending under some extreme circumstances and are currently in the process of evaluating them. All customers that have returned any bent arms were shipped out a new set the same day, as per our warranty policy. The HDUSA a-arms are made from .095 Chromoly that is supplied from credible steel mills with all appropriate material certifications. Every manufacturing run is spot checked with destructive testing equipment and x-rayed to ensure proper weld penetration. That being said, if and when we determine that there is even the slightest chance the arms need to be stronger, we will take immediate action to increase the durability. However, at this time, we have seen no indication that this is necessary; the a-arms are already 6 times the strength of the mild steel frame they attach too

[F-16Guy]

I think there are just some people out there that could break a crowbar in a sand box. That doesn't mean that whatever they bent is weak or of poor quality, but rather that they either have bad luck, or are extremely abusive with stuff. My stock mild steel a-arms lasted for five years with no problems. In fact, a guy on this site bought them, so they're still going strong.:macho

I think those guys must have hit some big trees........Great of you guys to come on here and set it straight.

[TBD]

Originally posted by ptillman
Good hiems that are sealed are good but they cost. If you wrap the hiems, they will last as long as a ball joint or longer. I run kevlar sealed hiems and wrap them with a neoprene/velcro wrap, and mine last for a really long time.
You completelly missed why hiems are not as good as ball joints. Yes, dirt, sand and other debri can cause the hiem to wear out. My point about hiems bieng used on a-arms is that they are not using them in the correct direction. Now I'm talking about hiems not spherical bearings. Hiems are designed and rated for end to end use. The strength of a hiem that is used in a horizontal position is only 10 percent of the actual rating. Hiems should not be used in a side to side direction.

[roperr]

All I can say is that I have not broken one that mounts to the spindle. They have worn from dirt but that is all. Also, they are using 3/4" heims on the spindle mounts which is quite large. The ones that attach the arms to the frame are 1/2", but are used in the correct manner for strength. I think the 3/4" heim is quite suffecent to over come the direction in which it is being used. Look at the other parts that it is attaching to. It is only as strong as it's weakest link!! I like mine!!!

[Killer250EX]

do u guys think +6 front end is a little extreme? Also +2 a-arms means each a-arms 1in right?

[TBD]

Originally posted by Killer250EX
do u guys think +6 front end is a little extreme? Also +2 a-arms means each a-arms 1in right?
No, it means +2" each side.

[Pappy]

i dislike heim ends....i dislike encapsulated ball joints (shperical or other) it is just personal preference. i also cant stand setting up a front end with heim ends at the frame.

atvfourplay just made these, first set on the market. if i had to buy a XC set of arms this would be it for me. frap style ball joint and just castor/camber adjustable. too many things to adjust and i get confused:D

Who do you adjust the castor on those? I agree with you most people that have all of the adjustments , and cannot set up the front end correctly anyway. Those peoples bikes would have worked better with non adjustable set up. Good thing TBD lives close to me......i need all of the help i can get setting up my front ends.

[Pappy]

those are just camber adjustable.

i was just drawing a comparison. i think i lack the patience to work with the other front ends:p

[hontrx265r]

Laeger front end, still pissed at them but oh well!

[quader400]

i have jd performance +2 a-arms same as NACSMXER. got mine for 495 last year and have had some pretty hard crashes and the worst ive done is broken a balljoint. which in my opion is better than breaking or bending an a-arm

[MoToX199]

i have seen a couple off people on here with +2 a-arms with stock shocks,is this good? wouldnt it bottom out alot easier?jw

Not a good idea.....

[HiperEX]

laeger +2+1

[A4StrokeGuy]

+2+1 ASR's, 0 problems with them, lots of racing done on them

[2000_mx_banshee]

Brand new to the forum today! These are +3 +1 Janssen, very well built and lifetime waranty.

http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/yamaha-banshee-00-bikepics-471131.jpg

http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/yamaha-banshee-00-bikepics-471156.jpg

[MXRACER86]

That is one sweet banshee you got there! How do you like your elkas? I had a problem with my elkas on my banshee with the frame hitting the ground!

[2000_mx_banshee]

Love them, no problems at all. Took a long time to get everything perfectly dialed in, but no, no problems with bottoming. Did you buy used? Maybe they were built for a different rider weight.

[MXRACER86]

nah they were new, just always had problems with them,

[T@AFP]

Hey Pappy,
Thanks for the compliment on our MGC series A arms. I hoped you would like them. We also have them for the YFZ,TRX and next week we should have them for the LTZ400. With any luck, we will have a LTZ450R in here after the dealer show to get going on that one to. We're thinking +1/2" for MX and - 2" and 3" for XC.

[Pappy]

yep i liked them alot Tom

ill be at the dealer show, i would also like to chat some business with you if we get a second.

[motochamp250]

my walsh 400ex front end and 250r

[Quadkid4105]

here are mine

[knight rider]

here are my houser +2 but my rims are flipped im getting them back to normal