Laeger Pro-trax CRF-450

[LapTraffic]

I dont know how to properly emphasize that my friend who is selling this bike is a 'Motivated Seller'

Price reduced. First one with 12.9k takes home an unbelievable ride.



Posting this for a friend.

Custom built Race Quad. Laegers frame with a 2003 CRF 450R


Fourstroke motor with a fresh top end.

This quad is one of the last two built with the Laegers frame.

Suspension Components consist of the Protrax T-Pin front end with Long Travel PEP shocks (Fully adjustable)

Laegers CR500 Link swing arm with PEP rear shock.

This quad is all Laegers, and built for the MX Track. I have Raced it in several of the WORCS races in and around the NW. Fast, Fast, Fast,.

It's lighter, Stronger and Faster than a TRX or YFZ. You get what you pay for, and this quad has nothing but the best parts installed

14k OBO

Located in Washington State

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[ThorRacing37]

nice frecking quad!!!!! where do u get the hing for the rear fenders?

[wicked265R]

deff interested in where you got the flip top for the rear fenders

[LapTraffic]

It's a Laegers Subframe

Pretty trick huh? :)

The bike is pretty incredible, nothing like it, too bad you arent interested in more than just the sub frame :)

[Tommy 17]

ahhh the shelby daytona of quads... the rarest nicest fastest quad on the market!

i hate to say it but ur crazy lettin this thing go for only 14,000! its the best quad out there and there was only like 7 or 9 made!

[LapTraffic]

I agree with you completely. I'd hate to see a list of receipts added up for this thing...

However this is not my bike, I have it's twin sister.

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The owner is very serious about selling, and yes, I agree he's takin it in the shorts for 14k.

[Pro1200]

Sick hybrids!!..Free bump:)

[blasterkid]

why hasnt someone bought this yet like if i didnt just buy another yfz and was closer i would have bought this in ten mins

[schiavo250r]

I know it's not one of two cause I have an Original Laeger crf frame that is ready to be built.:D

[LapTraffic]

bump

[mike bartolini]

$8000

[LapTraffic]

Mike, PM me a serious offer and we can talk.

[becci4]

I think mikes offer was a good one you are going to have a hard time trying to get 14k out of it. people are saving and wating to get the new suzuki. I would tell your friend to lower a little if he really wants to sale it. thats just IMO

[R3Concepts]

They are right..We have an 04 LSR CRF bike that we cant give away.

[becci4]

man if your brother can just open his eyes i will buy his bike

[LapTraffic]

I think mikes offer was a good one you are going to have a hard time trying to get 14k out of it. people are saving and wating to get the new suzuki. I would tell your friend to lower a little if he really wants to sale it. thats just IMO



Good luck with the Suzuki

[quadpornstar]

that is a very nice laeger. I pm'ed so please get back to me, very serious

[LapTraffic]

Still available. Those that have sent PM's have received replies from me.

[QuadRacer041]

i dont know if youd get quite that much but i wouldnt go too low, that thing is sweet.id take that over any production bike. someone who knows what they want would pay the right price for it.

[jrspawn]

Yeah, i just sold my Full Laeger YZ hybrid yesterday for 13,500. Had someone offer me $14,000 for the ollowing weekend to pick up, but ad someone drive all the way to me yesterday to pick it up with 13,500 cash. So you arent asking too much, jsut hav eto find the right person. I only had my on the net for maybe 6 hours and was flooded with calls and already talked to the buyer. Didnt want to get rid of it, but needed some cash, now ive got to find another quad to take its place, looking for a full walsh quad 4 stroke quad, so if anyone knows where there is one for sale, please contact me.

thank you
justin
jrspawn@aol.com

[LapTraffic]

I saw your bike, it was very nice :)

And I agree, anyone who knows these bikes knows that this is not asking too much.

If you dont mind homoginized design concepts and excessive compromise than an OEM production bike will suit you fine.

This thing is a no compromise, thorough bred racer. For the right person it is a dream bike and nothing else will do.

[R3Concepts]

I cant believe these bikes go for that kind of money. We just sold our 04 LSR CRF FOR 8500. Maybe just gotta find that right guy to get more out of them, or sucker for that matter.

[jrspawn]

Hey, finiding the right person is the key thing. As far as suckering, with these types of quads, no suckering needed. These True Laeger hybrids(this CRF and my old YZ) are a piece of history for certain people. A very limited number ever made, and also one of the best handleing quads made on top of that. Throw a custom one of a kind full race port job engine, and you got one bad quad. From experience, it is very hard to get money out of hybrids like houser, lonestar, and other hybrids that are conversions, do to the number of them out there. Dont get me wrong, those quads are freakin bad too, engine and handling. Its just that there are alot more of those out there(i wouldnt mind having a couple more myself:D ) I know if that quad was on the east coast here, there would be a few people VERY interested.

justin

[LapTraffic]

^^^ Agree

We just had a Laeger Protrax CRF (Axis) sell for 16k up here last month. (Washington) No Joke.

To the right person it is a one of a kind ride.

It either fits your or it doesnt. If it fits you, watch out!

It's not a 'sucker deal' The person who ends up buying this bike will be the guy/gal knowing EXACTLY what they are looking for, and they will be VERY happy with it.

[R3Concepts]

Anyone would know that our bike is not a conversion bike, IF they actually knew anything about hybrids or LSR..As far as a peice of history..HAHAHAHAHA..Right. That makes me laugh. I think its just taking some longer to realize Hybrids are open class bikes, not gold mines. Just cause they got a Hybrid by Mark, doesnt mean they can ride it. Best handling..maybe? Depends on suspension setup. But I think the other bikes are just as good..Full race motor? With the CRF it doesnt need to be all that pumped up to run good. Didnt you say your bike had an 01 YZF motor? The 426 is far less reliable. I think the guy you bought your YZ from just bought our LSR Hybrid, I guess we will see which he likes better.:D

[LapTraffic]

I think we should leave it at;

These are not for everyone, but for some they are perfect.


Those that want em will pay for em.


I run mine in open pro in WORCS series. It does just fine with a stock CRF motor.

[R3Concepts]

those who want them can build one for that:D



Good luck with the sale.. It is a nice bike!!!

[LapTraffic]

Not to derail this conversation further than it already has but there is well over 18k invested into this bike. That's hard parts. not repair / replacement.

You'd be hard pressed to build a competitive race bike from a production quad platform for less than 14k without some serious sponsorship and often that bill will run you into the 16k + range.

doing so with a platform like this isnt really possible without compromise, or again, some serious sponsorship. That is why they are not very popular, theyre just too expensive to build.

Maybe we have differing definitions of what constitutes 'competitive' but there are no compromises in this bike, no shortcuts.

You get what you pay for

Thanks

[becci4]

well said

[quadpornstar]

Hybrids in my opinion are the way to go. Hybrids seem to hold up much better that production quads do. I had a pretty nice trx with all the big name parts on, and it still never held up nearly as well as my laeger hybrid does. If you are going to spend the money to build a bike that you can ride for a couple of three seasons, build a hybrid.

[jrspawn]

R3Concepts, i think you might have taken me a little wrong. I wasnt doubting you lonestar hybrid, or the crf engine. Yeah, the crf engine has more HP out of the box, but mine was built with a YZ engine. so was TC, luburgh or any of the other pros that used the YZ engine stupid for not using the crf engine? No, its a great engine,and makes great HP. And as for, "those who want them can build one for that " i dont think it is any way possible to build a true laeger CRF for that, good luck buying or finding the frame.
LSR on the other hand, $14k to build one, yes very possible. They did not hold their value like the Laeger's did. It all boils down to the rareity and how much people want it for that reason, hence a piece of history, you know, some people do accually collect things that are rare and valuable. Your not comparing apples to apples.
Once again, Lap Traffic, you got one bad quad, and well worth every penny.

Justin

[R3Concepts]

our crf is a tc motor and its slow compared to our in house trxs..I guess it helps if you are a dealer for the above mentioned:D how did you pull 13500 off the bike you wanted 10k for? wether bu lding hybrids or production it can be done reasonably.

[jrspawn]

I had a few people wanting the laeger bad enough, i when i had changed my mind about selling it, i just started getting offers of what it was gonna take to sell it. I was in need of a little cash, so i couldnt turn the offer down, now im getting ready to purchase a full walsh YZ hybrid, never had walsh, but cant wait to get it.

Justin

[schiavo250r]

I just got rid of my Walsh CRF. It won quad of the month on R central. Anyway I got really good money. But now I am building my Laeger CRF. Hybrid quads are way better than any built production quad out including the LT450r. They are stronger, handle better and have better technology than any production quad wth the exeption of EFI (which I beleive soon we will be able to put on Hybrids). As for pricig Walsh is by far the most saught after and I think it's b/c of the quality and overall stregth. AS for Laeger Crf's, those of us who are lucky enough to own one know we have a very rare quad and it is the supply and demand theory. The others such as LSR and Houser ETC..... do not do as much money just b/c they are not as top quality as a walsh or a laeger and there are alot more avail. No matter what brand Hybrid it is though I still think they are a hell of alot better than production quads. So....... take this for what it is and soon you will see another bad *****$ Laeger CRF. For those of you who saw my Walsh know what I am talking about. Till it is done you will all have to wait and see. LOL :D

[becci4]

how can you just sit their and say that lone star or houser are not top products. they have just as good as stuff as anyone else. as far as walsh goes they have nice stuff but your also buying the name

[QuadRacer041]

Originally posted by becci4
how can you just sit their and say that lone star or houser are not top products. they have just as good as stuff as anyone else. as far as walsh goes they have nice stuff but your also buying the name

dude wake up and smell the coffee.houser and lonestar are great products but they dont hold a candle to laeger or walsh. thats just a fact and anyone who has been around for a while and ridin them will tell you the same thing.the major reason laeger and walsh are the sh1t is because they use aftermarket geometry, which make them handle 100% better then stock geo.

[jrspawn]

Quadracer041, very good point! Oh yeah, not sure if youve talked to steve with the Walsh, but im more than likely getting it, cant wait to check it out.

Justin

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by QuadRacer041
dude wake up and smell the coffee.houser and lonestar are great products but they dont hold a candle to laeger or walsh. thats just a fact and anyone who has been around for a while and ridin them will tell you the same thing.the major reason laeger and walsh are the sh1t is because they use aftermarket geometry, which make them handle 100% better then stock geo.

listen to this guy! he has a pilots liscense!


the laeger and walsh are the best on the market... everyone i've rode with the crf450 link or the 500 linkage u can't even compare them to anything else!

[becci4]

Im not saying leagers and walsh arnt worth it but the best one ever made is roll. hands down doug came up with the best frame and no one will be able to do what he did

[R3Concepts]

A no-link rides better then a CR500 or CRF450 link Hyrbid. Lonestar's not top notch?:rolleyes: Maybe you should come see Dan's Ti Hybrid in real life. It puts ALL the Hybrids on this site, Walsh, Laeger, anything to SHAME. Walsh: Good products, pay for the name, no better quality then the others, no better material used, no better welds. Aftermarket geometry: blah, just another thing to make suspension tuning harder.

Id be willing to say Id take our "run of the mill" stock 250r geometry LSR Hyrbid, and well, proceed to run circles around these other "real" Hybrids.:D

[becci4]

I must abmit i rode a bike that had had a no-link set up to it and it was way nicer than my leagers with a cr500 link.

also we started a war as to wich hybrid is better and this guy is just trying to sale his bike.

[QuadRacer041]

Originally posted by becci4
Im not saying leagers and walsh arnt worth it but the best one ever made is roll. hands down doug came up with the best frame and no one will be able to do what he did


lol, what did he do make a no link?big deal.
go back and look at how many pro's rode what. not saying is good, its awsome in the same league as walsh and laeger but you said house and lonestar.

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by QuadRacer041
lol, what did he do make a no link?big deal.
go back and look at how many pro's rode what. not saying is good, its awsome in the same league as walsh and laeger but you said house and lonestar.

Exactly..Roll and JP back in the day...JP is Lonestar. Lonestar is JP. The Fishers took it over from Perry and it went to Lonestar.

[QuadRacer041]

Originally posted by R3Concepts
A no-link rides better then a CR500 or CRF450 link Hyrbid. Lonestar's not top notch?:rolleyes: Maybe you should come see Dan's Ti Hybrid in real life. It puts ALL the Hybrids on this site, Walsh, Laeger, anything to SHAME. Walsh: Good products, pay for the name, no better quality then the others, no better material used, no better welds. Aftermarket geometry: blah, just another thing to make suspension tuning harder.

Id be willing to say Id take our "run of the mill" stock 250r geometry LSR Hyrbid, and well, proceed to run circles around these other "real" Hybrids.:D


lol yea maybe if i own or managed lonestar id have the nicest thing around too.
and when my walsh was new id put it against anything around. just because its titanium its better, hah.
why dont you go look around the pro and pro am pits at the nationals and see who's on what. last year out of the 20 top finishers in the pro class there were 10 on walsh bikes.
aftermarket geo blah, blah you.go back a few years abd see what pro's were on stock geo quads, ahhhh yea thats what i thought.
you take your run on the mill stock geo, run laps and get timed. then you take a walsh or laeger work of art, practice on it for a while and see what bike you turn better times on.

its ok r3 i know you dont like crf's because you cant get there motors to run right, u have valve issue's all the time.
:D

[QuadRacer041]

Originally posted by R3Concepts
Exactly..Roll and JP back in the day...JP is Lonestar. Lonestar is JP. The Fishers took it over from Perry and it went to Lonestar.

yea thats what they were on when there was nothing else. once laeger and roll come out, they ran the show

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by QuadRacer041
lol yea maybe if i own or managed lonestar id have the nicest thing around too.
and when my walsh was new id put it against anything around. just because its titanium its better, hah.
why dont you go look around the pro and pro am pits at the nationals and see who's on what. last year out of the 20 top finishers in the pro class there were 10 on walsh bikes.
aftermarket geo blah, blah you.go back a few years abd see what pro's were on stock geo quads, ahhhh yea thats what i thought.
you take your run on the mill stock geo, run laps and get timed. then you take a walsh or laeger work of art, practice on it for a while and see what bike you turn better times on.

its ok r3 i know you dont like crf's because you cant get there motors to run right, u have valve issue's all the time.
:D

Who said Ti was better? You do know the front end caster changes going down the track, due to the flex of Ti, which in turn makes it twitchy, right? Thats why Keith doesnt run Ti parts. Work of art..Blah. Walsh bandwagon more like it, but then again they did do the first YZ motored bike for Goodman. I cant get motors to run right? Ah, I see. Well if your old guy body can keep up with your old guy attitude, you MIGHT have a chance, but doubt it. We changed the valves in the CRF to stainless for more relaiblity but then again I guess you have to ride the bike, for it to need any maintenence. BTW werent you just on the ORG asking where to get valves? Thought so. Hope you know how to build motors. I guess we will leave it to becci4 to see if I can build motors or not.:D

[jrspawn]

R3 concepts, Do you race? And do you have a shop/ have support riders?

Justin

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by jrspawn
R3 concepts, Do you race? And do you have a shop/ have support riders?

Justin

Why yes, yes we do. R3Concepts is the fab shop, and Outlaw Innovations is my shop. Website coming soon for OI for your veiwing pleasure.

Yes we race. Yes we have riders. Are we looking for more? Not at this time.

[jrspawn]

Thats cool, i just didnt know if i have ridden/raced with you or any of your riders. Will you be attending the GNC nationals?

Justin

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by jrspawn
Thats cool, i just didnt know if i have ridden/raced with you or any of your riders. Will you be attending the GNC nationals?

Justin

We mainly help local riders. Would like to get some out of state going here soon. As far as nationals, hard to say, with shop constraints and orders and this and that, its hard to get away for anything.

[QuadRacer041]

Originally posted by R3Concepts
Who said Ti was better? You do know the front end caster changes going down the track, due to the flex of Ti, which in turn makes it twitchy, right? Thats why Keith doesnt run Ti parts. Work of art..Blah. Walsh bandwagon more like it, but then again they did do the first YZ motored bike for Goodman. I cant get motors to run right? Ah, I see. Well if your old guy body can keep up with your old guy attitude, you MIGHT have a chance, but doubt it. We changed the valves in the CRF to stainless for more relaiblity but then again I guess you have to ride the bike, for it to need any maintenence. BTW werent you just on the ORG asking where to get valves? Thought so. Hope you know how to build motors. I guess we will leave it to becci4 to see if I can build motors or not.:D

if the front end is so twitchy whats the sense of building it??for TT racing, lol
bandwagon lol lol get with dude, maybe you should try something that really works and isnt so twitchy down the track.
like i said look at what the pro's are running or are you gonna tell me that they will run what ever is free, lol.
what do you mean when you say old guy?you calling me out as an engine builder?i never claimed i was?you calling me out as a slow rider?i never said i was fast?
what i do know is what works, and what takes less effort to make you go just as fast as a rider that is faster then i am simple because my machine will outhandle there's.
i really do want to come off as saying i think lonestar isnt any good, i just think roll, walsh and laeger are the elite when it comes to chassis components.
yea thats right i really dont ride my bike just sits in my garage all season...your so original.
yea that was me asking about valves...but i got a whole season out of those stock valves.if i remeber correctly you were the one saying crf's were unreliable.seems maybe just your motors are just not that reliable.
:rolleyes:

[QuadRacer041]

Originally posted by jrspawn
R3 concepts, Do you race? And do you have a shop/ have support riders?

Justin

yea i heard tim farr john natalie and joe byrd are going to be riding for him this year.

[QuadRacer041]

r3 im surprised you are still in business. do have any customers?because with your attitude id be very surprised if you did.
all your replies to threads are all sarcastic, people selling things and you telling them there crazy or are way over priced or your bikes are worth way more, what a d1ck.yea ill buy your parts but your way over priced you need to come way down then we can talk. who the he11 are you?not everone is a dealer and has a shop to get shocks at a dealer cost.most people have to pay close to retail for a set of good shocks.if you dont like the price or what is for sale beat it dude, who the heck wants to hear you?im sure NO ONE.


laptraffic.....sorry that your thread turned into this, at leaste your getting free bump's, lol

[jrspawn]

Bump:D :D :D

Justin

[schiavo250r]

Quadracer,

R3 Has no clue, I know you and I have been doing this longer than most you saw the finished products I put AKA Walsh Crf, Walsh 250r, Walsh YFZ..... etc........ So Talking about bandwagon I have been buying walsh for a very long time. I will not be buying any OI and if any one thinks no link is better than a cr 500 link they are crazy. Just ask the top shock builders what works better. As for frames go Very very seldom do you here of a walsh Breaking or cracking as for LSR and Houser alot of them have been repaired more than once also if you have seen all brands bare with no powdercoat on them NO one and I mean no one has nicer, cleaner, welds than Walsh and Ive owned everybrand bike out and every brand product so as far as I am concerned all of you who say Houser and LSR are the same quality as Laeger and Walsh Just Can't afford a real QUAD.:blah:

[becci4]

Funny how people just dont add roll. as far as as to how i feel on this you cant beat roll

[R3Concepts]

You guys are cute. Please. We have plenty of customers, actually swamped to be exact. We could care less if you or the others on here support our business. I do know what is real and not real though. All these prices are insane. Several member wanting retail for one season old shocks, that we can get faster then most, for a lot less. I do post my opinions, I think people need to be more real in pricing terms, but thats just me. Lonestar inferior, not in my mind, I think you pay for the bigger names out there. But hey to each is own, we are done with this. Getting a full season out of a stock Ti intaked CRF motor is unheard of, unless its Vet. Beginner. Think of it has a hammer and anvil. You can hit the anvil with the hammer once and it wont make a mark, hit it 11,000 per minute for a few races, they wear out. I bet the intakes are razor sharp on your CRF. But perhaps thats riding conditions and/or style. But yes, CRF Ti intakes are unreliable, as a faster rider, you will be more pat to adjust valves more often. This is where you go to stainless valves and a dual spring kit.

Cant afford a real quad..:huh We have built sandrails and dirt track cars that cost a lot more then ALL your quads put together..Good one:ermm:

[becci4]

Damn. Well this sounds like a war if I have ever read one. nothing more than a bunch of grown men or women fighting over wich brand is better. IMO everyone needs to chill

[Ex_Rider43]

IMO this topic got some useful information in it... I just couldnt care about R3's flaming other members about prices.

[LapTraffic]

Nice Hi-jack

The overpriced, clapped out, no good cause its not an LSR pos quad is still available...

Couple people interested so far. If Ive missed a pm or you are still waiting for info from me hit me with a PM again. I check this daily though I may not respond to the silliness above and I truly apologise if I missed a response to a question.

As for ti intake valves.

Service life on a CRF motor is very short, <20 hours. Which I believe is due to the ti-intake valve wear. You're supposed to check clearance and shim at 20 hours. As I understand it, with shimming you'll get another 5 hours give or take before needing to replace valves.

I got about 50 hours out of my CRF before it got hard to start and we re did the valves. Kibblewhite Stainless with heavier springs. Extends the service life out there farther so Im not into the motor every other weekend. Does not negatively impact performance, though I wouldnt claim any benefit other than longer service life.

So although R-3 appears to be combative, overly argumentative, and a little too eager to justify his position by putting others down, he is actually right about the valves... It's a standard uprade to a CRF motor.

Now that THAT is settled, please go hi-jack another thread with the petty b!tching and let me sell this quad.

[400EX QUADER]

Thats a hella saweet quad man. and btw people, laptraffic is a good guy and knows what hes talkin about. (sickrider from sld);) good luck sellin this beauty.:D

[readybeartoe]

mmmmh. lets see. New 2006 Suzuki $7,299. Aftermarket shocks$2,000. Nerfs $200. Handle bars$100. Full Exhaust $500. Probably need stronger aftermarket parts anyway so it won't fall apart each weekend so a-arms $800, swingarm $600. Blah, Blah , Blah Blah BLAH! Oh yeah! I forgot about the price gouging for these aftermarket parts since it is for the 2006 "new dadookie" so add another $500 just for the hell of it. That comes out to be about $12,000. OR MORE! ........mmmmmh. Who can afford this sh1t!!! Maybe you should take it on that show for antiques and they will tell you that it's worth ONE BILLION DOLLARS...!

[readybeartoe]

maybe in the year 2099

[jrspawn]

?:huh

[LapTraffic]

mmmmh. Blah, Blah , Blah Blah BLAH! Oh yeah! I forgot about the price gouging for the 2006 "new dadookie"

That comes out to be about $12,000. OR MORE! ........mmmmmh.

Who can afford this sh1t!!!

Maybe you should take it on that show for antiques and they will tell you that it's worth ONE BILLION DOLLARS...!



:rolleyes:

Maybe you shouldnt skip your meds...

Good luck with the new 'dadookie?'

[400EX QUADER]

thats EXACTLY what I was thinking...:huh

[R3Concepts]

Originally posted by readybeartoe
mmmmh. lets see. New 2006 Suzuki $7,299. Aftermarket shocks$2,000. Nerfs $200. Handle bars$100. Full Exhaust $500. Probably need stronger aftermarket parts anyway so it won't fall apart each weekend so a-arms $800, swingarm $600. Blah, Blah , Blah Blah BLAH! Oh yeah! I forgot about the price gouging for these aftermarket parts since it is for the 2006 "new dadookie" so add another $500 just for the hell of it. That comes out to be about $12,000. OR MORE! ........mmmmmh. Who can afford this sh1t!!! Maybe you should take it on that show for antiques and they will tell you that it's worth ONE BILLION DOLLARS...!

I will go back and delete all my posts for the thread starter. Good luck selling it, it is very nice...BUT this statement as had me laughing for awhile now.

[racerx167]

LapTraffic- I sent you a P.M., that is if this if this thread is still about selling a Laeger CRF450(LOL LOL)!! Thanks, -Rob