Burgard A-arm Parts

[Chino886]

hey Pappy, If I needed them, how fast could you get me some Burgard Ball joints and bushings.....I am doing a trade and I just was to be prepared for the worst.....

Let me know....

[Pappy]

i go there twice a week usually

[Chino886]

excellent, I am about to do a trade for some +3 Burgard's....I might be needing ball joints and bushings.....

Does Burgard stand behind his product? what are the warranties? I am in no way knocking his product, but I just want to know what I am getting myself into....

Do you know approx when the pipe is due to arrive?

Now I have a pipe and no A-arms......great....

[Pappy]

haha..sounds like your rebuilding in reverse:p

Burgard has stood behind everything I have ever taken him...and he has even repaired other manufactures products for no charge to help people out. thats why i use him.

i can get what ever you need for the arms so no worries there.

[Chino886]

awesome....I am getting them....that is one thing I was concerned about.....but you just fixed that.....

reverse....how about bass ackwards......good thing my head is attached.......

[Chino886]

Hey Pappy, I might be hitting you up for a bushing and sleeve kit for a-arms.....soon....if you would not mind picking up a kit for me.

My arms are showing up on tuesday and I don't think the bushing and seals are in them....and I sent mine along with the arms....stupid me...I forgot to take them out.......After screwing with the tie rods for 30 mins taking the ends off......I was just too damn tired to think.....plus I had a dog that needed to get fed.

[Pappy]

no prob, ill be making arun tomorrow to see burgard and i will grab a full set just incase you want them.

[Chino886]

Sweet.....I should have pictures to post in your section by Friday of next week....by then I should have all parts and gear by then

I am riding regardless of rain sleet or snow.....

You ever make it out to the Midwest to ride....

[Pappy]

good deal, be happy to see you back out and riding instead of wrenching and waiting on parts.

[Chino886]

hey Pappy,

Not sure if you would do this or not, but the Burgard +3s that I got in a trade, the ball joints don't fit properly, they are in there, but can't get them out (lowers), I was going to send them to you for rePC in Sparkle red, the PC job is not that good.....and possibly some new BJs....Let me know if you would be willing to take this on, if not, I understand.

Chino

And how much to PC the 400EX oil tank?

[Pappy]

send em'

[Pappy]

BK Performance
84 Chase Lane
Hedgesville WV
25427

[Chino886]

I am looking to do the uppers and lowers different colors, maybe stealth black lowers and sparkle red uppers. I am sending you the tie rods because the previous powdercoater decided to PC them as well (while the nuts were on the tie rod, you will have to see it to appreciate it, how am I supposed to tighten those without messing up the PC :confused:) . Would you suggest just a molycoat on the tie rods, it was a pretty sloppy job on the tie rods in my opinion.

They should be there Friday afternoon for you.

[Pappy]

ill take a look at the tie rods when they arrive.

some tie rods have welded on nuts for adjusting the toe, but that doesnt sound like what your talking about:p

[Chino886]

That would of been too easy....how hard is it to chip PC, I put chips in the PC with a wrench.....I thought it was more durable than that......

You should have a 400EX oil tank coming your way from Kristopher Matala, this is my oil tank, I would like it done in stealth black.

[Pappy]

its usually pretty tuff and will not chip uless it is hit very very hard or is hit on a corner. even then it usually just indents.

ill keep a look out for the oil tank also

[Chino886]

Yeah, I was not impressed with the work to say the least, or the ball joints for that matter.

I heard you have not been very busy, so I decided to send you some work.

Too bad you don't do shock disassembly, I was looking at my elka's and the anodized red does not go with the sparkle red too well, I was thinking of stealth black elkas........:D

[Pappy]

lol..yeah im just waiting for work to come in here:D

the only thing i can do to the shocks besides the springs, are to have the shocks 100% disassembled then i can molycoat the body and head. then 100% reassembly etc. Derisi and C & D both can preform this if your due for a shock service.

[Chino886]

I know Pappy, you are even too lazy to answer the phone, you made you wife answer the phone today when I called....ha ha! Just kidding, your wife sounds like a very nice person, just like yourself.

The shocks will have to wait till next year, they are still good on service. Colby will get the pleasure of disassembly.

I can't wait for you to see the PC, I think you will have a good time with that.

[Pappy]

naaa i dont go nuts when i see a job gone wrong, it can happen to all of us. what i do chuckle about is when i get hubs in here to redo that a company coated and they coated everything....its kind of hard to get bearings in when that area is coated:p

[Chino886]

Yep, that is why I keep sending stuff to you.....I know better now than to go anywhere else.

Could I get some Burgard stickers when you are done with the arms? Thanks.

[Chino886]

Did Air Chino arrive today?

[Pappy]

yep came an hour or so ago, should be done tomorrow and it looks like teh ball joints are good but i havent taken them apart yet

[Chino886]

saaaaweeetttttt............let me know how much I owe you......I can send it now if you want.......were you able to get the lower left ball joint out of the arm......I couldn't!

[Pappy]

naaa i dont do much wrenching anymore, arthritis


my bro just lives for a challange, ill sick him on them tomorrow:devil:

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
my bro just lives for a challange, ill sick him on them tomorrow:devil:

Pappy's Brother VS Chino's A-arms

Who won? :blah:

[Pappy]

they havent done battle as of yet, i think the a arms need more time to get sych'd up:eek:


here is yer earl tank:scary:

[Chino886]

ooooooohhhhh........aaaaaahhhhhh....

My little anodized red oil temp dipstick is going to look good hanging out of that......:D

[Pappy]

And the champeen is:devil:

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
And the champeen is:devil:

Okay, the title belt is on its way.....at least admit it was kind of stuck in there........

where was the beverage in his hand, or did you not start enjoying yourselves till you were working on his YFZ?

Oh almost forgot......THANK YOU!

[Pappy]

that would be me wit beverage in ahnd:p

[Chino886]

I don't know what I am looking at, but have another!

Tell your bro that we have the same taste in clothes.....I have the same shirt on....wore it to the Freestyle MX show in KC tonight to show ATV support....

It is funny, I have never noticed it but most of the quad riders I know take helmet and goggles off together....but bike riders take them off seperately......both work....

Saw a backflip in real life......friggin awesome!

[Chino886]

Have you put down the Aftershock and shot the a-arms yet??????:D

[Pappy]

ill be shooting your arms shortly

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
ill be shooting your arms shortly

too busy nursing the bottle? LOL :blah:

[Pappy]

naaaa, once every 6 months or so is more then enough for a drink of anything:p

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
naaaa, once every 6 months or so is more then enough for a drink of anything:p

Yeah, I agree, drinking lost its fun a while ago, plus it save a ton of money. I have had a 6-pack of beer in the fridge since New Year's Eve and there is still 6 in there.....:eek2: , Those puppies would not of made it till New Year's Day in Rico's fridge, hell, they might not of even made it to the fridge.

[Pappy]

actually im pretty sure rico stopped rinking for the most part

[Chino886]

Did you get a chance to snap a pic yet?

[Pappy]

nope, i never coated a part yesterday, it was all clean up here:p hey, i have a floor again:D

[Pappy]

arms

[Chino886]

Thanks Pappy, they look 100 Xs better now......

[Dragon_Slayer]

Those are nice!! Is that what your putting on your quad Chino? They will look sharp!!

[Chino886]

Yes Sir!

[Pappy]

I reassembled the arms last night, but im having trouble getting one of the jam nuts off one of the tie rods. i just need an extra set of hands but ill get her:macho

[Chino886]

So are you able to screw in the ball joints with only your hands now?

[Pappy]

yep, i tapped the threads to clean them up. these arsm have seen some use in wet conditions. the threads on the ball joints and on the tie rods show extreme pitting

[Chino886]

They came from Olympia Washington...I am guessing it is a little more humid there....in your opinion, everything should last this season right (barring anything from breaking) , if not I will go ahead and replace them now....

[Pappy]

yeah everything should be ok, i see use but no damage

[Chino886]

awesome.....hopefully they will be delivered on Saturday......if not, no biggie....

what is pitting?

[Pappy]

pitting is when rust starts t eat away in metal. usually it shows up as small pencil tip sized holes in the metal surface. on these parts, it has eaten away at the very edges of the threads

[Chino886]

That WA rust sure is hungry....:mad:

[Pappy]

ive given up on the tie rods, the threads on the one are past what i feel should be used or repaired. ill grab a new set at my cost for ya

[Chino886]

let me know how much to send

[Chino886]

any idea when they will be going out?

I like the new design of the decal!

[Insanity18]

MAN!!!! You are picky!!!!!! lol

[Pappy]

everything will ship tomorrow, i have the new tie rods now so away it can go:p

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
everything will ship tomorrow, i have the new tie rods now so away it can go:p

$$$$ for the tie rods?

[Pappy]

they are $20 each, nickle plated chromoly blah blah blah:p no shipping ofcourse cuz they will be in with the arms. ill send the other back as a spare

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
they are $20 each, nickle plated chromoly blah blah blah:p no shipping ofcourse cuz they will be in with the arms. ill send the other back as a spare

Cool, you will have money in your paypal in the morning!

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Chino886
Cool, you will have money in your paypal in the morning!

Paypal sent! Thanks again Pappy!

[Pappy]

thank you, your parts shipped this morning

[Chino886]

Now I just need to hope for weather that is above freezing......

[Chino886]

Hey Pappy,

Just wanted to let you know that the box of goodies showed up today and they look great.

Thanks again,

Chino886

Did you forget to ship the oil tank? :confused:

[Pappy]

i meant to send it moday but i forgot the post office was closed, its on its way!

[Chino886]

Sounds good!

[Chino886]

Hey Pappy,

I noticed one thing when I was doing the install tonight.......the jam nuts on the tie rods????? You still got them? Or do you know of anywhere I can get them.....they were on my tie rods I sent. Let me know, I need them by Saturday...

Thanks,
Chino

[Pappy]

I have 3 that are good, and i can dg thru my boxes to see if i have spares but i cant get them there by saturday. ive taken a tie rod to hardware stores (lowes or home depot) and found the thin jam nuts before.

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
I have 3 that are good, and i can dg thru my boxes to see if i have spares but i cant get them there by saturday. ive taken a tie rod to hardware stores (lowes or home depot) and found the thin jam nuts before.

Not a problem, I was just having a hard time finding the left hand threaded ones.....I will do some calling today. Thanks again, the arms look better on the bike.

[Chino886]

I got a question for you Pappy,

If I set the a-arms up and they have negative caster, I know something is wrong, I called Burgard and they said the are supposed to be positive 2 degree caster......

What did I do wrong?

[Pappy]

im deffinatley not the one to give you the best advice on setting up the front end etc.

id say double check everything, including where you took your measurements from etc. also make sure you have the upper arms on the correct side

[Chino886]

How can you tell which side is the "right" side?

I just tried calling Burgard Cycles but they were not very much help

[Pappy]

if you have your shocks installed, you should see the uppers very close if not touching the spring if they are mounted wrong. its easy enough to do, infact its pretty common.

[Chino886]

Well, I looked at them again and I think I have +0 lower arms and +1 upper arms, they are mounted right, they would of touched the other way around. That would give the excess negative caster that I am getting.

What do you suggest?

[Pappy]

do you have the lower ball joints all the way in?

[Chino886]

Yup Pappy, the lower ball joints are all the way in.......

[Pappy]

do you have the spindles on the right side:p

im just asking the obvious and going off past expierence with things ive seen people have problems with.

[Chino886]

Yeah, I will try to get a picture of the a-arms for you later today so you can see what they look like.....

spindles are on the right side.....

[Chino886]

Hey Pappy, here is what the arms look like....what do you think?

[Chino886]

better picture

[Pappy]

you have the upper arms mounted on the wrong sides....swap them and go riding:p

[Chino886]

I think I tried that, they hit the shocks when I do that......

If that is it, I feel really stupid! :ermm:

[Insanity18]

try switching the lowers, i dunno? are you going to ride at timberrun?

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Insanity18
try switching the lowers, i dunno? are you going to ride at timberrun?

Hell yes........I can't sleep......

You still going?

[Insanity18]

yes

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
you have the upper arms mounted on the wrong sides....swap them and go riding:p

You were right, I was a dumbarse.......yipppeeee....

now I need fix my elka that I broke today! Colby here I come!

[Pappy]

haha what the heck did you break!

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
haha what the heck did you break!

Well the idiot that mounted the rear rezzie (me) ran a part of the line under the subframe, well, after jumping on the track for 3 laps, the chain cut a hole in the rezzie line.........:mad:

[Pappy]

aweee that sucks:p but these are the things we do:blah: aint it just the stupid things :p

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
aweee that sucks:p but these are the things we do:blah: aint it just the stupid things :p

You know what they say, you learn from your mistakes.....

Lately I have been doing a lot of stupid things.....

[Pappy]

i agree, you do nothing by doing it right 100% of the time. people ask me why i know so much, i tell them im writing a book based on the things ive screwed up, it is pretty easy to write and i add a chapter every day:D

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Pappy
i agree, you do nothing by doing it right 100% of the time. people ask me why i know so much, i tell them im writing a book based on the things ive screwed up, it is pretty easy to write and i add a chapter every day:D

Yeah, I learned 3 things from that lesson:

1. I like landing with all 4 rubber side down....

2. The shock is working properly....

3. Rezzie line mounting is important....

:D

[Chino886]

Hey Pappy, does that oil tank need to be flushed out with oil prior to installation?

[Pappy]

i would blow it out with air and then flush with water thouroughly. i do that before they leave but its always a good idea to make every effort to be tripple sure nothing is in there.

[Chino886]

Will do, just thought I should ask!

[Chino886]

What size are the upper arms? I am looking into some brake line clamps...

[PismoLocal]

What size are the upper arms? I am looking into some brake line clamps...

I was wondering the same thing.

[Chino886]

Originally posted by PismoLocal
I was wondering the same thing.

I am guessing it is 7/8"....

I am wanting some stickers tooo..............

[PismoLocal]

I am looking into some brake line clamps...
Where are you getting your brake clamps from?

[Chino886]

I have one pair already, bought them on this forum and I will probably buy the other ones off of ebay!

[PismoLocal]

ya im gettin mine off ebay but i still need to know the size cuz i dont want to order 4 clamps that wont fit and i cant return.

[Pappy]

if i can find my dial calipers i could tell ya, i will try and call izzy today


alot of teh clamps on the market can be used on both 7/8 & 1 inch tubing as they are supplied with a rubber bushing that is either used or not used dependant on the size

[Chino886]

Originally posted by PismoLocal
ya im gettin mine off ebay but i still need to know the size cuz i dont want to order 4 clamps that wont fit and i cant return.

Same here.......have you ever talked to Izzy?

[PismoLocal]

Nope who is that?

[PismoLocal]

I emailed burgard asking them about the diameter but they havent replied yet.

[Chino886]

Originally posted by PismoLocal
Nope who is that?

Mr. Izzy Burgard

[PismoLocal]

Ya i have never talked to him befor.

[Chino886]

3/4"!!!!!!

I just called Burgard!

[PismoLocal]

Sweet! Thanx for the info.

[Pappy]

so you were the reason i was put on hold:mad: :blah:


izzy....always sounds like he has his head in a cnc machine:chinese: thats because he does:p

[Chino886]

Sorry bout that!

Is there any way you could get me a couple of nice white Burgard stickers for the stealth black arms?

[Pappy]

and dont let him fool ya, i won:devil:

[Chino886]

Is that your son?

Did you make him PC his own quad?

[Pappy]

no...lol thats me on my white 425ex and Izzy on one of his R's

[Chino886]

Originally posted by Chino886
Well the idiot that mounted the rear rezzie (me) ran a part of the line under the subframe, well, after jumping on the track for 3 laps, the chain cut a hole in the rezzie line.........:mad:

It helps to have a bro with a quad for moments like that!