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trueblue450
09-27-2001, 05:01 PM
If I take the big plunge into spending 500 on shocks, I want to know if this is true. On www.motojoe.com under the works steelers, they say they are guarenteed on not bottoming out. If I got the triplerate with rezzys would they bottom out on a 300EX if I took the big boy jumps? Or is there better suspension for about the same $.

THanks:grr

AlaskaSpeed
09-27-2001, 06:46 PM
No shock company can say that..........You can always find a way to bottom out a shock. I wouldn't use Works on my quad if they were free, let alone spend 500.00 on them. I have a friend that has had to send his back to get fixed two times now.......not screaming quality in my view. JIM

trx400ex
09-27-2001, 08:51 PM
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riz400
09-27-2001, 09:03 PM
I have the works triples w/o rezzies. I like mine and yes I have bottomed them out. They definitely can take more abuse than the stockers though. Do I wish I would have saved up a little more and got the more expensive/higher quality shocks like the Axis or Works Pro Series????Yeah but I don't lose any sleep over it. If you plan on racing than I would spend the money and get a high quality shock. If you plan on doing some trail riding and hitting a few jumps then the regular triples with or without rezzies will be just fine. The bottom line is you get what you pay for. Hope my two cents help. Oh and make sure you buy the shock covers to protect your investment...

AlaskaSpeed
09-28-2001, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by trx400ex
but neither were them elkas now huh?

What does that mean, TRX? JIM

Guy400
09-28-2001, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by trx400ex
but neither were them elkas now huh?

I hope you're not trying to infer that Elka's are low quality pieces. Elka's are some of the best shocks you can buy. I'm with Jim, I personally wouldn't use Works shocks on my bike, Pro Series or not.

AlaskaSpeed
09-28-2001, 11:01 AM
Thanks, Guy; it's always nice to see the voice of reason pop up in these posts. I think the bigger you are also dictates what you can "get away with" when you buy shocks. I weigh in at about 235lbs, so I am not going to skimp on shocks. I will gladly do without an FCR carb or 416cc kit in the great dollar tradeoff. Each time I land flat and DON'T bottom out I know I made the right choice in shocks.

Guy400
09-28-2001, 01:33 PM
When it's shock time for me Elka's are definitely going to be my choice. I'm looking at the Elka triple rates with piggyback rezzy's, self-sagging device and are compression and rebound adjustable. I figure if I'm going to spend money on shocks I'm going with some of the best. Unfortunately, I just saw that next month Elka is upping their prices so we'll have to wait and see how much the new ones are going to be. But, that's $1500 and probably a year or more away for me (damn house payments and the wife's getting a Tahoe in the spring).

At any rate, anyone bad mouthing the Elka's are ill-informed.

AlaskaSpeed
09-28-2001, 02:17 PM
Yep, I am very happy with mine. You can see the quality as well as feel it when you ride. JIM

CBRSLIDER
09-28-2001, 09:32 PM
Jim "the Killer Halibut",

I just ordered my Elka's today from the Quadshop. I got the triples w/ rezzies-comp adjustable in piggyback. I just loved how they looked on your ride. SWEEEEET! Also I did not want to pay the new price starting next month. Marty was good to deal with and really seems to know what's going on. I also found the Elka's going for $820 from K&K Racing, same set-up.

I was stuck between paying $500 for works or just dropping a couple bills more for the Elka's and knowing that I got some high quality units. I got mine set up for cross country racing. Hopefully everything is in order when they arrive. Marty said that if there are any problems to just send them back to have them tweaked. Can't beat that. He also said that I should have them by the end of next week. Even better. I'll also be sending my stock rear in this winter for a conversion to the ZPS or SSD? whatever ya call it.

So where did you get your's from? Have any major problems? Did ya ever have to send them back?

Well just thought that I would add my two cents worth to this thread.

Later,

Ray

AlaskaSpeed
09-28-2001, 09:45 PM
Ray,
Not one problem with the Elkas. They are setup for MX and big air, but do very well on the sand or trail. I bought mine through Mark at www.hsdracing.com . He is Johnny Bravo in our Yahoo TRX400EX group. He was great to work with and being a racer, knows what is going on.....GREAT CHOICE on your shocks! Let me know when you get them and pass your dyno chart on to me to compare.....JIM

CBRSLIDER
09-28-2001, 09:58 PM
that's a big 10-4 good buddy.

when I get the chart I'll scan it and send it out to ya.

Ray

09-28-2001, 10:52 PM
If I buy a set of Elka's, would it be wise to get wider A-arms also? Or they not needed.

CBRSLIDER
09-29-2001, 07:35 AM
It depends on what you use your wheeler for. I raced a couple harescrambles and the woods were too tight for wider a-arms. I was hitting trees the way it was with stock a-arms. Now if you are racing motocross, I really can't help ya there. I know some that have widened their front end for more stability. For trail riding that's a personal preference that maybe someone else could give you some insight on.

Good Luck,

Ray

Guy400
09-29-2001, 07:52 AM
The front end on a 400EX is just about 2" narrower than the rear (~43" front and 45" rear). So you could feasibly widen the front end 2" and still fit through the same set of trees. How much stability would you gain buy getting a set of a-arms I don't know.

trx400ex
09-29-2001, 09:03 AM
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Tommy 17
09-29-2001, 09:04 AM
I know this is a stupid question, but if i can't afford anything right now but a set of works w-o rezzys. but can i later buy a set of rezzys for it i know i heard this once b4 but i can't remember what the answer was. i see on the shock that it has the mount for the rezzy so i was wondering if i could buy the rezzy later when i get the money and how much will that cost. i ain't as big as u guys only 125lbs so a rezzy is all i need i don't need axis, or anything i need bottom line shocks.

trx400ex
09-29-2001, 09:07 AM
yes they can be added, but in the long run itd be cheaper to save up and pay 500 for the whole

Lil90man!!
09-29-2001, 11:07 AM
Hey i was just wondering, i am gett'n a 300ex and wanted to know all i do is trail ride, with a few jumps but nothing huge, and alot of high speed bumpy trails, would you guys suggest using the stockers or should i get newer/higher quality, and if i get new ones which would you suggest for my ridin,ohh i also only weigh about 130 or so.
thanx!!!

Guy400
09-29-2001, 12:35 PM
I would ride the trails first and see how it is. Stock suspension is more than adequate on about 90% of all trails the typical person rides. Most of us that have/going to get aftermarket suspension do so because of big air. As your skills improve you gradually seek higher and higher air because your old jumps get boring and the stock shocks just can't keep up anymore.

trueblue450
09-29-2001, 12:54 PM
When I trail ride, my 300 has enough suspension. Unless you got some huge jumps on your trails, you should be allright. But I know you will want better suspension. So I'd look into it. Anyways, for everyone else, most people are trashing the works steelers, I guess they aren't the greatest, so what would you recomend, next to elkas without the 1000 price. I thought steelers were expensive. Just wonderin if you guys could drop down some sites for me to look at the goods. Thanks..

10-08-2001, 11:00 AM
[i]I'm with Jim, I personally wouldn't use Works shocks on my bike, Pro Series or not. [/B]

I've read that the pro series shocks work just as good as elka's or axis,, and some people have actually sold there axis's shocks to replace them with works proseries....why would you not put works on your bike?? Mine work just fine,,,not the best but much better than stockers..

You mentioned you wouldn't even put them on if they were free,,,must be nice being so good that you wouldn't stoop to my level by using works products....sorry but I took offense to your comments guy..:(

AlaskaSpeed
10-08-2001, 11:49 AM
Rico,
Sorry if you took offense, but seriously; since I didn't personally attack YOU I would have to say get over it. All my experience with Works has been that they are cheaply made and that is not acceptable to me. I didn't know I had to be characterized as being "so good" in order to not want to use crap on my quad. I stand by my post, you can run whatever you want on your quad and I can have the option of never running that junk on mine. Would you get offended if I said I would never drive a certain make of vehicle? Just seems ridiculous to me to get upset over my opinion of a poorly made product. They can slap the name PRO SERIES or whatever else they want on it...still crap in my eyes. I weigh in at over 225lbs, so I have to have QUALITY shocks. Works has not proven they are at that level in my view. I may even go buy a "PISS on WORKS" sticker for my DODGE truck now.................: ) JIM

10-08-2001, 12:02 PM
Have you used works shocks before on your quad?? I know there not the best but and I was questioning guy more since he said he wouldn't even put them on his bike if they were given to him, yeah I bet. And you can piss on your dodge if ya want,,,doesn't matter to me,,,,ya really don't have to be a smart-*** about it. I've abused my shocks for over a year and they have held up great with no problems,,,so I can't really consider them junk/crap,,,and the pro series is not just a sticker,,,built with larger shafts 5/8, better shims, bushings, etc. but I'm guessing you've put all types of works shocks on your bike and your talking from experience..Didn't ever think me and you would argue but sounds like somebody pissed in your wheaties this morning, by coming back and bashing me with smartass remarks and bad attitude...

AlaskaSpeed
10-08-2001, 12:08 PM
Rico,
I have used Works on a past quad. My friend runs them on his 250R and my other friend had them on his quad. All of them have either blown out or bent the actual shaft itself. Sometimes in life you don't have to actually run a certain product to "experience" it. Hell, if I saw 10 guys jump off a 40 story building and one or two lived, does that mean I would have to take the foolish jump just to know whether or not it was wise? Your logic is not up to speed today and I didn't think I was starting an argument with you by posting. Get some thicker skin....maybe you need a vacation????? JIM

knighttime
10-08-2001, 12:16 PM
Jim, I think the Alaskan cold is numbing your brain or it must be the 24 hour of darkness season is gettin to ya.:cool:

10-08-2001, 12:17 PM
Maybe that's my problem I just got back from vacation and I'm not used to using my brain yet..:D ,,,hey it's all good...right???

I've never heard of the shafts bending on shocks before...blowing out yes but not bending.

trx400ex
10-08-2001, 03:41 PM
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AlaskaSpeed
10-08-2001, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by trx400ex
there are 3 people around here with works shocks...1st one the guy broke one on a big jump, but he also broke a lonestar axle swingarm and aarms and is beefy, now he runs custom axis, but they are rich......2nd one had paint chip off because he used no shockwears, he didnt even get resivours!!!!....they are still fine...3rd have had no problem atall.....


i think that works steelers are a good shock for every thing but pro racing.....pro series are probably better than elka...they arent like the steelers in any way,,, i dont see how you can be so biased to one brand and never even owned them , then go out and pay 1000 buck for something they havent even got right yet,,,,sounds like a cannodale to me....so go piss on your dodge , then have a popsicle ;)


my opinion

talk to the hand...........and take a jump off a tall building....read the prior posts.......JIM

Guy400
10-08-2001, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by trx400ex
i dont see how you can be so biased to one brand and never even owned them
Do you own a Raptor? I've heard you say some negative things about it and was just wondering how you can be so biased against it without ever owning it.
Rico, I wouldn't run Works shocks even if they were given to me. You can believe it or not. I'm not saying that you made the wrong decision by going with Works but it's just not the decision that I would've made. I don't have to own an Escort to tell you that a Rolls-Royce is better. Why would I have to own Works Steelers to tell you that the Elka's are better? This all comes down to personal preference. My feeling is the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree. I see how the everything is built besides the Pro Series and just can't realistically believe that the Works company has spent so much more time and detail on them (Pro Series). Of course they're better than the stockers but I'd rather spend $800 on all the quality features that Elka offers than spend $500 on a set of plastic bushed Works. Ultimately, it's my money and I say it goes toward Elka.

Not trying to offend anyone or piss anyone off. Just telling you where my suspension money is going.

AlaskaSpeed
10-08-2001, 06:13 PM
Guy,
Great point. It was the same one I was trying to make, but obviously didn't. I am very glad to know you wouldn't own an Escort either....although I hate to admit that back in college, I owned a Pinto.....UGGGGGHHH>>>>JIM

trx400ex
10-08-2001, 06:18 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AlaskaSpeed
10-08-2001, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by trx400ex
yes guy, thats what happens when you only quote part of what was said.....i dont see how you can be so biased to one brand and never even owned them , then go out and pay 1000 bucks for something they havent even got right yet.. there s a point to it if you read the whole thing......alot of people have had probs with raptors, but im not going to order that new suzuki before it comes out and pay 10k for an untested quad...why did you buy elkas, cuz someone said they were good, is that why you didnt buy steelers, is that why you dont like pro series..if so then you must like to read dirtwheels as a bible......oh well WGAF what kind of shocks we like and why but im betting if someone gave you a pair of works and stockers youd run the works, or are you saying stock is better,cuz thats just not right

First, you should know about only quoting PART of a post; or not reading a post to see what it really says. You did that with your ridiculous reply to mine. Second, what is so hard to believe about the fact that we wouldn't use Works? It doesn't matter if they perform better than the stockers for a period of time, the quality is not there. Just look at the screwed up bushing problems they have had because of the materials used. Is it so hard to get through your thick head that this all comes down to choice and personal opinion? Like you said, this is not about who runs what shock, this got off topic when I hurt Rico's feelings by not liking Works...then let the gang jump on me. One more thing, Elka is not new to suspension. I would rather pay the $1400.00 all over again for my Elkas; which are done right and have very high quality....than put on a free set of Worthless...err...Works shocks. Have you ever looked at a set of Elkas or ridden an Elka equipped quad? Save yourself alot of embarassment and keep quiet until someone asks you for your opinion. JIM

Guy400
10-08-2001, 06:57 PM
First off, what does the new Suzuki have to do with this conversation on Works shocks? I never said I was going to run out and buy it. Check one of the Zuk threads and you'll see that I said I want to give it several months first.

Secondly, I guess I don't understand your quote. What am I spending $1000 on that they haven't got right? They got the Elka's right so that rules them out. I didn't buy Steelers because they aren't half the shock that the Elka's are. That's a point that can't be argued. Anyone that says Works Steelers are as good as the Elka's have been breathing exhaust fumes for too long.

:o As I've already explained, I didn't buy Works because they are an inferior shock and the $300 difference in price is worth it to me for the Elka's. I see the shortcuts used in Works' lower end shocks and just don't 100% trust the workmanship in the Pro Series. I've made my own decisions based on my own research and being around the sport. I'm not anti-Works because someone told me to be.

I'll just ignore the Dirt Wheels comment, that was dumb.

If you want to bet, I'll take your money. I wouldn't run Works even if they were given to me. If you had to pay for your 400EX or have someone give you a Trailboss 250, which way would you go? I'll bet you'd pay for the 400EX because of the reliability and performance than take the lesser Polaris for free.

Once again, re-read my last post and you'll see where I said, "Of course they're better than the stockers..." (referring to the Steelers). I'm not arguing that stock shocks are better than the Steelers. That would be like saying the Works are better than the Elka's. Tell you what, you run Works and if they work well for you, great. In the meantime, I'll just save up that $300 difference and know that it's worth it TO ME to know that I got one of the absolute best shocks money can buy.

trx400ex
10-09-2001, 08:06 AM
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AlaskaSpeed
10-09-2001, 03:58 PM
TRX400....GO OUT AND BUY THEM THEN! ENOUGH ALREADY..........JIM

trx400ex
10-09-2001, 04:02 PM
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AlaskaSpeed
10-09-2001, 04:24 PM
Let me guess....your friend told you Axis was the best???? JIM

trx400ex
10-09-2001, 05:06 PM
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AlaskaSpeed
10-09-2001, 05:17 PM
Quiet, whiner. You want some tissue? Grow a sac and quit wimpering about the shocks. You sure can have a thick skin when you want to....otherwise you whine about whatever all that Pro rider stuff was about....I ride weekends, and I am lucky enough to not have to work full time, SO....I guess that does give me time to piss you off----although I never thought of that benefit before you mentioned it. JIM

trx400ex
10-09-2001, 07:50 PM
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AlaskaSpeed
10-09-2001, 07:54 PM
Quite the off topic comeback....typical of your posts......JIM

trx400ex
10-09-2001, 08:59 PM
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

AlaskaSpeed
10-09-2001, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Wheelie
I was hoping to learn something about shocks that might be useful, instead I read a bunch of bickering replies. No one forced me to, but I thought that there might be something useful hidden in all that BS.:grr Read the rules before you reply, and find out where your panities are bunched up and do something about it.

PS--I'm not trying to start anything, I just had to vent.

News Flash! You just became what you hate, you contributed to the "bs" by replying and NOT READING THE RULES....You are even worse off than the guy that got this shock thread off topic....if you look it wasn't me. Get your facts straight, and go back and edit your post to make sure you don't contradict yourself......JIM

10-10-2001, 07:30 AM
I thought this subject was over?????????????:huh

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 09:05 AM
its over with me

004exkid
10-10-2001, 03:24 PM
"wel dertwheels saidd the works is da best so thys musst be " Im the only guy at my track with elkas so the must suck. (hehe) Im glad we still have the mailing list for some decent quality quad disusion. Some of these people post nothing but flames I think we need some site police.

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 05:34 PM
there are some , leo,3punksdad,and lilred

RideRed04
10-10-2001, 05:51 PM
trx, you said a while ago you wernt posting anymore. Can we all agree that steelers are more for rec riders (like me :D) who dont get huge air, and the pro series is a much better quality shock then the steelers? Lets just say you get what you pay for, ok?

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 06:16 PM
i said it over for me about the shocks , it dont matter.....actually no in the quad world you never get what you pay for:) almost everything is ridiculously over priced...but in a simpler term yes you get what you payfor ,, oh well who cares

AlaskaSpeed
10-10-2001, 07:28 PM
TRX400ex is a total idiot. Not much more needs to be said than that. If you question that opinion, go and look at any post from this fool that is worth a damn. Must be nice to be able to call people gay while hiding behind a computer so many miles away. I hope you take a vacation up to Alaska one day...I will meet you at the airport. JIM

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 07:55 PM
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trueblue450
10-10-2001, 08:06 PM
Calm down boys,

Not everyone has the same opinion, but opinions are just like a**holes, everyone has one. Don't get all fussy about it. Sorry guys but tempers do flare, but we gotta be the bigger men! RIGHT! WHO's with me??? Ohh ok.. well don't worry about it guys. :devil

AlaskaSpeed
10-10-2001, 08:28 PM
300EXman....go to the beginning of this thread and you will see what I mean about this whining little scrub. I had the first reply to the thread, then along comes S@$T for brains with some STUPID and useless comment. Everyone can go and see that I was not the one to start anything, but I will be damned if I put up with some fool harassing me.....JIM

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 08:46 PM
i deleted everything i could

AlaskaSpeed
10-10-2001, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by trx400ex
i deleted everything i could

I guess it's a good thing that we made sure to quote your useless comments to show how you like to treat people. JIM

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 08:55 PM
no i did it to try to stop this arguing

RideRed04
10-10-2001, 08:55 PM
Hey Jim, I dont wanna torque your nuts here, but you are funny as hell when you are pissed off! I am cracking up over here!

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 09:05 PM
torque your nuts?lol

AlaskaSpeed
10-10-2001, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by RideRed04
Hey Jim, I dont wanna torque your nuts here, but you are funny as hell when you are pissed off! I am cracking up over here!

I am not pissed off, nor would I have my nuts "torqued" by you...:) I am not a bad guy, just hate to have fools mess with me and then cry about being targeted by me. I don't enjoy bringing this kid to his wobbly little knees, but I won't be terrorized by his stupidity and egging either. Deep cleansing breaths............

RideRed04
10-10-2001, 09:10 PM
Well, it is funny as hell! Bringing a knife to a gun fight....:D

trx400ex
10-10-2001, 10:35 PM
just understand one thing, you wil never put me on my knees....and who brought the knife. or the gun, wheres the fight.ill bring both

AlaskaSpeed
10-11-2001, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by trx400ex
just understand one thing, you wil never put me on my knees....and who brought the knife. or the gun, wheres the fight.ill bring both

That is the nice thing about ignorance....you don't even know that you have been put in your place. Don't go apologizing in private messages to me, then come off all tough in public. You just have to be man enough to admit you were wrong. Once you do that, you are on your way to leaving boyhood.........JIM

trx400ex
10-11-2001, 08:48 AM
i apoligized and admitted that i was wrong in the private message, im not trying to be tuff but you have a ways to go before i get on my knees.......and are you really man enough to accept my apoligy and go on,no you just said that i annoyed you and that you wouldnt stop (hmm what a good word.......)harrasing me........you cant say i harrased you, because i didnt follow you to every time you wrote in any forum and then call you a moron or a fool or whatever,how many pages is this thread at now ?6:huh do you want to let it go,,,or just keep on.......oh wise and fair captain

trueblue450
10-11-2001, 12:12 PM
trx400ex,

I have no beef with you, but you were in the wrong when you called JIM gay and cussed at him and stuff. But that doesn't seem like that much of an apology anyways. You say I'm sorry, but then call him a moron. But I'm lost here. Just get over it guys. You are both good posters and I like reading them. So yeah!

trx400ex
10-11-2001, 01:02 PM
i didnt call him a moron in that post, i said that he called ME a moron or a fool or whatever, its hard to stand back and watch someone call you stuff yo..later

10-11-2001, 01:12 PM
Just to clear a few things up.......my dad can beat up all your dads .....:D :D :D

Tommy 17
10-11-2001, 01:20 PM
I love it rico everyone fighting ready to kill each other and u just make this funny comment back like my dads tuffer then ur dad haha. its good we got someone on the site that likes to joke around. guys i don't wanna get into this but mayb u to should just call it off and stop.

10-11-2001, 01:43 PM
Wait a minute....:mad: whatcha doin runnin the same number as me #21,,,,,I kill you sucka if you don't take it off there.......hurry it up,,now,,,,this town ain't big enough fer the 2 of us....Oh wait a minute,,you live in another town...OK it's all good,,,I'll let ya live..:D :D :D


Of course this is a joke.....;)

Tommy 17
10-11-2001, 01:54 PM
well rico it looks like i gotta pack my bags of riding gear and move my *** down to ky haha. then we will see who can kick whos *** and whos dad can kick whos dads *** haha. my dads faster then ur dad to on the race track. haha j.k wit ya buddy but anyways i been runnin that number since 1996 i didn't copy it off u. i don't want people being like look he copied rico so he could be the number one posters wanna be. i am not a wanna be so don't say that people look at my pics of my 80 on my website it has them on there.

10-11-2001, 02:20 PM
I didnt' think you was copin anything your entitled to run what ever number you want my freind,,,just thought I'd give ya some sh*t since there's so much arguein in this forum...lata....gata.

Tommy 17
10-11-2001, 02:25 PM
rico i didn't mean it like i was mad at u or anytin but i didn't want smoking crack fish or any other one of the trouble makers to come on here and be like look at tommy he has the same number as rico he wants to copy him what a fag. i hate that **** and i wanted to stop it b4 it started i knew u were jokin wit me. so whos dads gonna win haha.

trueblue450
10-11-2001, 02:56 PM
What is this???

People getting along on this thread. I'm gonna have to report that one to Leo. Thats enough boys, there is no friends on this THREAD! :devil

trx400ex
10-11-2001, 03:00 PM
my dad:devil :p :devil

BrianEX
10-12-2001, 08:53 PM
Hey,

I have the Works Pro Series on my quad and LOVE them. I tried all the others (Elkas and Axis included) and the Works are the best for the money. The Works Pro Series have been enhanced in the last 6 months. If you can bend the shaft on them, then you would have bent the Elkas as well (both have the 5/8 shafts). I know they can't be bent, I weigh 230 lbs. and ride mx and have yet to. They are also fully adjustable. When they came from works they were setup perfectly and ready to run. And to top it off I got them for much less money than the Elkas would have cost. So stop putting them down, they are by far the best shocks for the money. Just my humble opinion.

AlaskaSpeed
10-12-2001, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by BrianEX
Hey,

I have the Works Pro Series on my quad and LOVE them. I tried all the others (Elkas and Axis included) and the Works are the best for the money. The Works Pro Series have been enhanced in the last 6 months. If you can bend the shaft on them, then you would have bent the Elkas as well (both have the 5/8 shafts). I know they can't be bent, I weigh 230 lbs. and ride mx and have yet to. They are also fully adjustable. When they came from works they were setup perfectly and ready to run. And to top it off I got them for much less money than the Elkas would have cost. So stop putting them down, they are by far the best shocks for the money. Just my humble opinion.

Here is some pricing off Shoc Connection...They are 200.00 MORE than the Elkas! You don't know what you are talking about when you say the Worst...err....Works Pro Series are THE BEST FOR THE MONEY.....how do you figure paying 200.00 MORE for Worst....err...Works makes them better????
Dualrate
w/o rezzy Dualrate
w/ rezzy Triplerate
w/o rezzy Triplerate
w/ rezzy Triplerate
w/ adj comp ProSeries
w/adj comp ProSeries
adj comp/rebound Stadium
Series Flattrack
w/ dualrate
$329.95/pr $489.95/pr $369.95/pr $529.95/pr $699.95/pr $899.95/pr $899.00/pr $569.95/pr $359.95/pr


I have not seen too many prices on Works Pro Series that make them "the best for the money". I paid 700 for my front Elkas with ZPS, triple rates. What do a set of similarly set up Works Pros go for? I am curious as to a price for triple rates with ZPS and Comp adjustment. Also, I was not talking about the 5/8" shaft Works bending....I was talking about the poor quality non Pro Series. JIMw/ adj comp ProSeries $899.95

trx400ex
10-12-2001, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Alaska_400EX


Here is some pricing off Shoc Connection...They are 200.00 MORE than the Elkas! You don't know what you are talking about when you say the Worst...err....Works Pro Series are THE BEST FOR THE MONEY.....how do you figure paying 200.00 MORE for Worst....err...Works makes them better????
Dualrate
w/o rezzy Dualrate
w/ rezzy Triplerate
w/o rezzy Triplerate
w/ rezzy Triplerate
w/ adj comp ProSeries
w/adj comp ProSeries
adj comp/rebound Stadium
Series Flattrack
w/ dualrate
$329.95/pr $489.95/pr $369.95/pr $529.95/pr $699.95/pr $899.95/pr $899.00/pr $569.95/pr $359.95/pr


I have not seen too many prices on Works Pro Series that make them "the best for the money". I paid 700 for my front Elkas with ZPS, triple rates. What do a set of similarly set up Works Pros go for? I am curious as to a price for triple rates with ZPS and Comp adjustment. Also, I was not talking about the 5/8" shaft Works bending....I was talking about the poor quality non Pro Series. JIMw/ adj comp ProSeries $899.95



im not going to take sides , but id like to clear one thing up.....alaska, the pro series with compression adjustment are 700, the pro series with compression and rebound are 870 or close......

trueblue450
10-12-2001, 11:23 PM
Does anyone know if they make elkas for 300EX's? and what sites can I check out the prices and stuff?

Thanks

AlaskaSpeed
10-13-2001, 05:47 AM
Well, these prices came from Shoc Connection; so 899.95 is what they sell them for. PLease show me a link I can look at for the 700.00 price. Just don't see how this claim of being the "best" for the money comes into play when they are asking the same price OR MORE for them.....please 'splain, Lucy.........(Rico will get that)``

BrianEX
10-13-2001, 07:43 AM
You might have to look harder, I got mine for less than $680 with tax and shipping. Maybe you are looking at the Piggybacks, mine have the remote rezzy w/ a stainless steel braided line. I did not like the idea of the piggybacks because if you wreck or catch a tree you might breack them. And if you do that then it'll cost you, but with the remote rezzys you can just put a new line on them.

Also I do not stay at the listed prices. Call the local shop you order from and you can usually work out a small discount.

trx400ex
10-13-2001, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by BrianEX
You might have to look harder, I got mine for less than $680 with tax and shipping. Maybe you are looking at the Piggybacks, mine have the remote rezzy w/ a stainless steel braided line. I did not like the idea of the piggybacks because if you wreck or catch a tree you might breack them. And if you do that then it'll cost you, but with the remote rezzys you can just put a new line on them.

Also I do not stay at the listed prices. Call the local shop you order from and you can usually work out a small discount.



you can get the piggys for 700 too

trueblue450
10-13-2001, 12:32 PM
Ahahahah

This is the longest thread in this forum right now! And all I wanted to know is if Works were good. Keep it going :D

trx400ex
10-13-2001, 03:10 PM
works shocks are ok...ok

10-15-2001, 09:35 AM
Ok here's the deal with the works proseries.

The triple rates with 5/8 shaft are $850 w/adj comp.

The triple rates with 5/8 shafts are $900 w/ adj. comp & rebound

The 700 dollars proseries come with 1/2 shaft,,they are basically AT steelers with adjustments,,,I know because I just got an email from shocconnection on this. They do have adj. comp...but I'd rather have the $850 ones. But you can't go wrong with the triplerate elkas fer $750 at quadshop..

Are you guys done arguein??????????
:D :D :D

AlaskaSpeed
10-15-2001, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Rico
Ok here's the deal with the works proseries.

The triple rates with 5/8 shaft are $850 w/adj comp.

The triple rates with 5/8 shafts are $900 w/ adj. comp & rebound

The 700 dollars proseries come with 1/2 shaft,,they are basically AT steelers with adjustments,,,I know because I just got an email from shocconnection on this. They do have adj. comp...but I'd rather have the $850 ones. But you can't go wrong with the triplerate elkas fer $750 at quadshop..

Are you guys done arguein??????????
:D :D :D

See, Brian ex??? Rico, thank you for verifying the facts I found. I get tired of people throwing info on here that is not true, then telling me that I need to keep looking?!?! Fact is that Brian ex probably doesn't know what kind of shocks he has. JIM

BrianEX
10-15-2001, 05:02 PM
You know shocconection isn't the best price. I know mine are the 5/8 shafts end of story. I told you the price people quote you and the best price you can work out aren't always the same. If that was true everyone would sell everyting for the same price, but some people will give you a good deal if you have bought a lot of parts from them in the past. That's why I always get my parts at the same place. They always give me quite the price break and work to keep my business. Don't get me wrong shopping on the internet can get you a cheaper price once in a while, but stick with the came dealer and it'll pay off in the long run. It also helps that I send all of my racing buddies to the same shop. I know they quote you $850 but that doesn't mean that is what you will pay. I say hook up with a local dealer and work out a discount. You can sometimes getting all your parts for a little over cost.

AlaskaSpeed
10-15-2001, 05:18 PM
Brian ex,
The fact still remains that you DIDN'T get your Works brand shocks at a price that "makes them the best for the money". You call 25.00 that big a difference? What is so hard to see about this point? Maybe 25.00 means more to you than it does me. JIM

10-16-2001, 01:46 PM
whats the major advantage(s) in the engineering of the shocks from one to the other? id assume they were similiar. maybe one company benefitting from better materials, valves, or whatever, but they all must be VERY close in function.

AlaskaSpeed
10-16-2001, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by FLETCH
whats the major advantage(s) in the engineering of the shocks from one to the other? id assume they were similiar. maybe one company benefitting from better materials, valves, or whatever, but they all must be VERY close in function.

You answered your own question when you mentioned BETTER MATERIALS. These "better materials" are the foundation of the shock. Would you build your house on concrete or sand? JIM

trx400ex
10-16-2001, 08:05 PM
rico, dennis kirk sells the pro series(5/8 shafts and piggy back with comp adj for 699...it even says so in the review dirt wheels did a few months ago

Guy400
10-16-2001, 08:14 PM
DK might sell them for $699 but they're only compression adjustable. If you buy the Pro Series that have adjustable compression AND rebound the price jumps to $898 which once again makes them more expensive than the Elka's. If you feel that you only want adjustability in the compression OR rebound side you can get the Elka version for $705. Even when you go with the lesser optioned Elka you get 5/8" shaft standard on all models and you get shim stack valving (the same type of valving used on Custom Axis but not found on the Works).

I don't know why you'd spend $700 on a pair of shocks that are only semi-adjustable. Why not just save another $100 and you could get the full blown Elka's?

AlaskaSpeed
10-16-2001, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by trx400ex
rico, dennis kirk sells the pro series(5/8 shafts and piggy back with comp adj for 699...it even says so in the review dirt wheels did a few months ago

699.00 is STILL about the same price as Elkas or any other great shock that uses quality materials. That guy that spouted the "best for the money" BS just didn't make any sense. JIM

AlaskaSpeed
10-16-2001, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Guy660R
DK might sell them for $699 but they're only compression adjustable. If you buy the Pro Series that have adjustable compression AND rebound the price jumps to $898 which once again makes them more expensive than the Elka's. If you feel that you only want adjustability in the compression OR rebound side you can get the Elka version for $705. Even when you go with the lesser optioned Elka you get 5/8" shaft standard on all models and you get shim stack valving (the same type of valving used on Custom Axis but not found on the Works).

I don't know why you'd spend $700 on a pair of shocks that are only semi-adjustable. Why not just save another $100 and you could get the full blown Elka's?

Guy, these guys are just not getting it. Even if they don't care for my posts on this topic, common sense should prevail. They keep bringing up prices on Works that ARE NOT the same comparison as what Elka offers for the money. Yet, Brian EX spouts the empty statement that Works Pro Series are the "best for the money"???? HMMMMMMMMMMM....JIM

trx400ex
10-16-2001, 09:00 PM
stock,bad
works,ok
elkas,good
custom axis,great


i dont find having alot of adjustments more valuble

10-16-2001, 10:44 PM
I own custom axis and they are definetly pro quality shocks! I love them! ELKA owners, after seeing pictures of your shocks I'm kind of curious if there is anything printed on your spring, they look just like the springs on custom axis, just curious.

trx400ex
10-17-2001, 03:11 PM
lets just go ahead and make this thread 100 posts

FatBoy Redrider
10-17-2001, 03:57 PM
You guys are killing me with this post. One guy says works suck, one guys says they are great. Has anyone ridden more than one? If you have only ever ridden works how can you say they are the best and vice versa. I have been leaning more and more towards Elkas because they seem like the middle of the road. WOrks are probably a great improvement over stock but how much difference is there between the rest. It is like gaining a yard from a stocker, but then only an inch from brand to brand. What does everyone else think.

trx400ex
10-17-2001, 06:22 PM
custom axis are like miles apart

10-18-2001, 09:02 AM
Get what you can afford is what I think,,,,like I said before,,,any aftermarket shock is better than stock,,,if ya got a lot of money get the best,,,if ya dont' have a bunch of money get a low end set of Works AT steelers,,They all will improve the ride of you bike. I run the works AT steeler and spank guys running ohlins, Axis, pep, works,,,big Friggin deal what they have or what I have,,whatever helps you out and what ever you can afford then that's what matters. Now I will be going to a better setup of shocks next spring,,but my cheap AT steelers do the job fer me right now And I'm very happy with the the results I've got from them all year. I've been beat by a guy running stock shocks on a 400ex,,so mainly buying shocks is what your preference is,,,the bottom line is,,,,,,,YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR...

Here's a story fer anyone that thinks the best shock will make you win,,yes they can make winning easier but won't put you 1st place every race either. WEre I race at,,,the guy that almost always wins the open 4 stroke class runs a 330ex with dual rate works AT steelers w/rezzy,,you know the cheapy kind that really suck,,,well he makes the guys that run $12,000 400ex's, 416ex's, 440ex's with long travel A-arms with axis shocks all around look like dip****s. So don't think having the best will make you the best because it won't,,period. IN my opinion if you pay to get a set of full blown all adjustable custom axis shocks you got more money than brains,,,cuz I think the price on them things are way too much,,,IF ya ain't figured it out there not made of gold,,,good shocks Yes, without a doubt ,but worth the money NOPE.

10-18-2001, 09:39 AM
Finally...it took 1500 posts.

trx400ex
10-18-2001, 02:49 PM
actualy 99



what kind of shocks are ya gettin next year rico......dont say elka please:D

AlaskaSpeed
10-18-2001, 04:05 PM
IN my opinion if you pay to get a set of full blown all adjustable custom axis shocks you got more money than brains,,,cuz I think the price on them things are way too much,,,IF ya ain't figured it out there not made of gold,,,good shocks Yes, without a doubt ,but worth the money NOPE

Rico,
I really HOPE that no-one on this forum believes that the best components make you the best rider, racer or whatever. As far as your comment about the more money than brains, I have to differ with you. Is a guy that drives a Lexus instead of a Taurus dumb just because he can afford the best? I think not. Don't take this as a slam, just watch what you say, because comments like that don't make much sense. I like to think I am smart, even if I do have money enough to have nice stuff. One last thing, EVERY aftermarket part made for our quads is overpriced....including the quads; so that statement doesn't hold much water either. JIM

RideRed04
10-18-2001, 07:38 PM
Hey, we dont have it as bad as the bobardiar guys! the dealers charge $90 for one douglas .190 rim!

trueblue450
10-18-2001, 08:01 PM
I was wondering, I don't know what shocks I should get. Do you think I should get Works Steelers with rezzys? :D


J/K

103 replys..... haha

trx400ex
10-18-2001, 08:36 PM
yes ther the best just dont get elkas, whatever you do;) :confused:


JUST JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!

AlaskaSpeed
10-19-2001, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by trx400ex
yes ther the best just dont get elkas, whatever you do;) :confused:


JUST JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!

: ) Finally, a post with some substance!!! Now, a sense of humor; I can relate to.....: ) JIM

10-19-2001, 09:15 AM
I guess I'm goin back ta school to learn how to be a smarter man,,forest...:huh

AlaskaSpeed
10-19-2001, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Rico
I guess I'm goin back ta school to learn how to be a smarter man,,forest...:huh

Nice reply. Maybe I can help you out with a scholarship or SUMPTIN.....JIM

trueblue450
10-22-2001, 08:25 PM
I'm sorry, but its a shame to let such a beatiful thread die! :D


Couldn't resist.....

AlaskaSpeed
10-22-2001, 08:53 PM
It's dead, Jim. :D

Nausty
10-23-2001, 09:24 AM
what does all that junk have to do with works shocks and rezzies alaska 400ex? You spam more than I used too, everything I see that you have been posting lately is just junk. I normally wouldn't speak up but I just had to say something because he is a hiporcrit its ok for him to do it but not me? GRRRRR!!!!!??!

trueblue450
10-23-2001, 12:15 PM
Looks like it just woke up again! :D

And I remember Nausty one day you posted over 90 times. Hmmm doesn't look like you have room to talk.

trx400ex
10-23-2001, 02:43 PM
hi

AlaskaSpeed
10-23-2001, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Nausty
what does all that junk have to do with works shocks and rezzies alaska 400ex? You spam more than I used too, everything I see that you have been posting lately is just junk. I normally wouldn't speak up but I just had to say something because he is a hiporcrit its ok for him to do it but not me? GRRRRR!!!!!??!

A geeky looking kid like yourself should keep their mouth shut. If you are able to go back to the beginning of this thread, you will see that I was the first to give a reply; and it was related to the question about the Works w/rezzies. You will also find your redheaded stepchild of a cousin, TRX400EX; had the first reply that WASN'T related to the topic...AND it was a post just to get someone pissed off. SO, fool; moral of this story is keep your pencil neck, geeky, foolish comments to yourself, like you CLAIM you normally do...which is a line of bs if there EVER was one. If I was as goofy looking as you, I would keep a REAL LOW profile. JIM

Red Rooster
10-23-2001, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by Rico
Get what you can afford is what I think,,,,like I said before,,,any aftermarket shock is better than stock,,,if ya got a lot of money get the best,,,if ya dont' have a bunch of money get a low end set of Works AT steelers,,They all will improve the ride of you bike. I run the works AT steeler and spank guys running ohlins, Axis, pep, works,,,big Friggin deal what they have or what I have,,whatever helps you out and what ever you can afford then that's what matters. Now I will be going to a better setup of shocks next spring,,but my cheap AT steelers do the job fer me right now And I'm very happy with the the results I've got from them all year. I've been beat by a guy running stock shocks on a 400ex,,so mainly buying shocks is what your preference is,,,the bottom line is,,,,,,,YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR...

Here's a story fer anyone that thinks the best shock will make you win,,yes they can make winning easier but won't put you 1st place every race either. WEre I race at,,,the guy that almost always wins the open 4 stroke class runs a 330ex with dual rate works AT steelers w/rezzy,,you know the cheapy kind that really suck,,,well he makes the guys that run $12,000 400ex's, 416ex's, 440ex's with long travel A-arms with axis shocks all around look like dip****s. So don't think having the best will make you the best because it won't,,period. IN my opinion if you pay to get a set of full blown all adjustable custom axis shocks you got more money than brains,,,cuz I think the price on them things are way too much,,,IF ya ain't figured it out there not made of gold,,,good shocks Yes, without a doubt ,but worth the money NOPE.
AMEN.....................................VERY well said. Alaska_400EX.........
WHAT THE HECK IS UP......quit spazing out. You like Elkas woopy snoopy!!! Every one knows that now. They are good shocks BUT Works arn't junk either. Its all what you can aford. or what you like or prefer or whatever. I've never ridden either one. calm down before you have a heart attack.

AlaskaSpeed
10-23-2001, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Red Rooster300

AMEN.....................................VERY well said. Alaska_400EX.........
WHAT THE HECK IS UP......quit spazing out. You like Elkas woopy snoopy!!! Every one knows that now. They are good shocks BUT Works arn't junk either. Its all what you can aford. or what you like or prefer or whatever. I've never ridden either one. calm down before you have a heart attack.

Who dragged you out from the pasture? Why don't you "quote" a post that I had that was taken in context, you moron? I never said Works were junk...I just said I wouldn't run them on my quad. I don't hold any Elka stock either, I am just very happy with them and the customer service I received with them. You can do yourself a great favor and not "pick" at me just to say the same thing that has been said over and over. You have just been added to the idiot flamer pile...enjoy.....JIM

trueblue450
10-23-2001, 07:12 PM
I agree with JIM. He was the first person to answer my question, and didn't start "Spazin" out snoopy woopy like until some kids started flamin the thread. :grr

AlaskaSpeed
10-23-2001, 07:14 PM
Hell, I forgot what this thread was about. What question did you have again, 300EX_man??? : ) JIM

trueblue450
10-23-2001, 07:16 PM
I believe it was,

Who posts useless crap??? :D
Besides myself :D :D

Red Rooster
10-24-2001, 06:44 PM
I didn't mean to tick you off more but I thought you just were getting all upset because someone was thinking to get works shocks I know Elkas are great shocks but they cost a ton anything is better than stock don't get pissed at me, PLEEEZ.:confused:

trx400ex
10-24-2001, 06:54 PM
actualy my first post was related to shocks,,,,you redheaded eskimo:)

AlaskaSpeed
10-24-2001, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Red Rooster300
I didn't mean to tick you off more but I thought you just were getting all upset because someone was thinking to get works shocks I know Elkas are great shocks but they cost a ton anything is better than stock don't get pissed at me, PLEEEZ.:confused:

Red,
If you look at the post you made that I replied to "ticked off" even YOU will see it was less than cordial. You made a personal attack on me and I responded to you in what I feel was a reasonable way...except for the "pasture" part. Do me a favor, go back to the VERY beginning of this thread and you will see that I started out with the first reply with nothing but good intentions of helping out the guy who started this thread. TRX400EX, the loser that he is; has since erased all of his STUPID flaming posts, but his reply was not pointed to the guy asking the shock question...instead, HE directed his idiotic post to ME...WHY? Maybe YOU should ask HIM "what the heck is up"????Think next time before you jump on the "fool" bandwagon. JIM

AlaskaSpeed
10-24-2001, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by trx400ex
#################################

YOU are still spewing your lies???? LOOK at your first post....it was DELETED by YOU! You make it way too easy for me to make you look stupid....JIM

trx400ex
10-24-2001, 07:36 PM
ahh, you only make yourself look stupid,,but good for you,,why,do you want a lighter? to remodel?


i like you..and your shocks:rolleyes: . like my posts? ive only got a few now ..l..


im going to send you a sense of humor for christmas, and some midol

Tommy 17
10-24-2001, 07:42 PM
trx i wish i could remodle with a lighter only haha u and jabber know what i am talkin about right.

trx400ex
10-24-2001, 07:44 PM
i know what ya mean, at least we ca re appulster

10-25-2001, 09:31 AM
Well I decided to quit using my works steelers because the performance was so bad,,,So I have my buddy lay down on the backsides of jumps and I just jump on him to soften the landing,,,here's a pic of me getting ready to land on him,,,,,what a great guy huh...:huh

Red Rooster
10-25-2001, 09:37 AM
Yeah, and maby a little stupid!!!! I paY for shipping on your old shocks if you want to give them to me.................maby I can make a pogostik with them lol. Seriously, you maby landed on your friend too many times with those inferior works or stock shocks:D :p

400exRacerX
10-25-2001, 09:38 AM
LOL, thats a good one rico, Elkas are great shocks dont get me wrong but if you want the best bang for your buck then i would go with the works.

R-Crazy
05-28-2002, 11:17 AM
why cant we all just get along. be the better man and walk away (not directed at anyone). this site is to inform and help people with questions, not a war zone for people to vent and fight.
Alaska_400ex, dont say that he started it or whetever you want becuase you could
could have just walked away.

dave

Tommy 17
05-28-2002, 01:27 PM
dude that happened 7 months ago why did u bring it back up??

AlaskaSpeed
05-28-2002, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by 400ex21
dude that happened 7 months ago why did u bring it back up??

He must be part woman....lol......they are very good at drudging up stuff from the past..............: ) JIM

Pappy
06-23-2003, 02:05 PM
now this post was entertaining:devil:

northeast400
06-23-2003, 02:54 PM
I have seen bar fights shorter than this post, so did we come to any descisions?:confused: