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trx400exxracer
12-31-2005, 06:46 PM
I was just wondering how many Christian riders or racers were out there. There are a good bit out here in middle GA cause we have FCA (Fellow Christian Athletes) rides and meetings:D

300excrazy98
12-31-2005, 06:47 PM
im a christian rider

funny thing is my name is christian lol

pastfast125
12-31-2005, 07:06 PM
AMEN BROTHA! lol j/k, but I am too, I'm movin out to iowa, I wanna start a youth group deal with a bunch of riders I can find, I think i'll be cool, meet up riding everyweek:)

Danlwil
12-31-2005, 07:08 PM
I'm an avid rider and an ordained minister....

No better place for prayer time than keeping up with the crew I ride with :D

12-31-2005, 07:38 PM
PAH RAISE THA LORD NA!!!

ZeroLogic
12-31-2005, 07:55 PM
i think im christian or chathloic i forget im not a church person as you can tell lol

pastfast125
12-31-2005, 08:22 PM
lol, I think he means people who are a lil more into their religions...:D

LTandRaptorider
12-31-2005, 08:32 PM
I finally started to believe in the last year there is a God... And yes, he hates me... :eek: :blah:

Ok, back to the riding/praying discussion... :)

161xchonda
12-31-2005, 09:00 PM
i am a christian. go to church every sunday if i can. infact just got back from the parsonage.

wilsonracing
12-31-2005, 09:05 PM
yeah i haven't meet many christan riders. but i am glad to see some here i know i am.

trx400exxracer
12-31-2005, 09:31 PM
here are some of the real fast riders I have heard of that are Christians

Bill Ballance
Brandon Sommers
Ivan Tedesco
Josh Hansen
Ryan Sypes
Matt Walker
Mike Penland

thats all I can thinkof right now

Pappy
12-31-2005, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Danlwil
I'm an avid rider and an ordained minister....

No better place for prayer time than keeping up with the crew I ride with :D


well i aint no preacher, but ive done my share of praying while riding
:p

spudss
12-31-2005, 10:07 PM
Cool Thread.. I too am a Christian Rider.. And not ashamed to say it..

250xridamatt
12-31-2005, 10:47 PM
I am a christian rider as well

killen them all
12-31-2005, 11:25 PM
right here >:D <

Punk'd
12-31-2005, 11:33 PM
Jesus saves:) ......................









I think most of us could agree when it comes to riding and your in one of those..
QUOTE "OHHHHHHH SH**" UNQUOTE :eek2: situations..:D

Guy400
01-01-2006, 04:52 AM
I'm a Christian but don't ride anymore.

z400ACDC
01-01-2006, 09:25 AM
Count me in!:) I pray that you that have not let Jesus into your life give him a chance this new year! There is no reason to fear anything when Jesus has his arms around you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:macho

honda350r
01-01-2006, 11:38 AM
You guys should put a Jesus fish on you quads!!!

whiteflash
01-01-2006, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by spudss
Cool Thread.. I too am a Christian Rider.. And not ashamed to say it..

xx3003xrdrxx
01-01-2006, 12:54 PM
Christian here , go to church every weekend . Pray every day if i remember . Pretty fast for a church boy:devil:

XCAdam89
01-01-2006, 01:26 PM
Christian here, you guys might like this site:

http://www.panicrev.org/home.htm

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 02:04 PM
that's a cool site, I just registered.:D

hondarider2500
01-01-2006, 02:17 PM
its just hard for me to beleive in god when there is absolutely no proof. its cool that all of you find hope in praying and going to church, but i just cant get into it when evidence of the scientific theory is all around me.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 02:21 PM
don't tell me you beleive in evolution and all that....

hondarider2500
01-01-2006, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
don't tell me you beleive in evolution and all that....

are you kidding me??

it seems a little more beleivable to me than there being a guy somewhere that creates people and controls everything.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by hondarider2500
are you kidding me??

it seems a little more beleivable to me than there being a guy somewhere that creates people and controls everything.

he doesn't control everything but he does answere prayers and not stupid prayers or anything that is not helping you with him or anything like that

hondarider2500
01-01-2006, 02:37 PM
well i respect everyone one who believes in god, its just hard for me to believe that theres someone up there answering prayers.
and i know there are christians who believe that god does control everything.
but whatever im not trying to start anything, just stating my opinion

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by hondarider2500
well i respect everyone one who believes in god, its just hard for me to believe that theres someone up there answering prayers.
and i know there are christians who believe that god does control everything.
but whatever im not trying to start anything, just stating my opinion

I think he just guides us through life:D

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 03:43 PM
what's with all these posts being removed?

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 03:44 PM
nevermind, my computers retarted or something..one minute it shows posts, then the next theres like 5 missing

01-01-2006, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
don't tell me you beleive in evolution and all that....

lol, even all my good catholic friends believe in evolution..

I hope you never become a doctor;)

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 03:58 PM
the theory of evolution

nothing+nothing=everything....hmmm, that sure makes sense.

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 04:02 PM
Well, the other week I decided to read the bible. I went to a book store and looked all through the fiction section, but couldn't find it! :confused: :p

Sorry, I couldn't resist! :blah: I too respect everyone's beliefs. Yet I've found that most religious people don't respect beliefs other than their own. Oh well...

hondarider2500
01-01-2006, 04:09 PM
^ thats a pretty good point

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 04:12 PM
no it isn't. If you're talking about the fiction section thing, in case you haven't noticed, they don't really let anything involving christianity anywhere. trying to get rid of the one nation under God out of the pledge of allegiance. Not letting kids pray in school, (Ithink that was going on, not sure) people have stopped saying merry christmas, instead it;'s now happy holidays. so In a way, the rest of the religions are showing disrespect towards christianity. If christians are not allowed to pray in school, or say one nation under God, then why do they let muslims or whatever it was do their 5 times a day prayer?

kicken250x
01-01-2006, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by LTandRaptorider
Well, the other week I decided to read the bible. I went to a book store and looked all through the fiction section, but couldn't find it! :confused: :p

Sorry, I couldn't resist! :blah: I too respect everyone's beliefs. Yet I've found that most religious people don't respect beliefs other than their own. Oh well...


once again im with you on this one, but i get the feeling this is about to turn into a big ol bash fest... crusaders vs nonbelievers

go mel gibson:muscle:

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 04:14 PM
o and by the way I'm an idiot and read that thing in my sig wrong..I'm one of the 2%, and I can't read...3 kinds of people in the world, those who can count, and those who cant:D

honda350r
01-01-2006, 05:10 PM
I don't go to church and I don't pray and I don't know why this thread is here? I think this is funny though!

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
I don't go to church and I don't pray and I don't know why this thread is here? I think this is funny though!

I also don't go to church... Neither do I pray. However, this is the open forum, so just about any topic goes. ;) I may not share the same views as the person who started this thread, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. My warped sense of humor aside, I am glad to see this didn't turn into a bashing. If religion helps your life, good for you! I prefer to get things done myself without hoping for intervention from a higher power. When I die, if my beliefs turned out to be wrong, I will learn to kiss butt REAL quick! :eek: :D

XCAdam89
01-01-2006, 05:37 PM
You can't force people into your beliefs, if you belief it, Good for you. You shouldn't care what other people think of you, or even try to force them to share your same beliefs.

hondarider2500
01-01-2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
people have stopped saying merry christmas, instead it;'s now happy holidays. so In a way, the rest of the religions are showing disrespect towards christianity.

i dont think this is disrespect towards christians, its just that people have realized that there are a lot more non-christians out there.

its not less respect to christians, its more respect to other religions.

cook65xc
01-01-2006, 06:45 PM
kissing but when you die if you are not inheaven will do you no good.Ever touched a hot pipe on your fourwheler,think about it.

killen them all
01-01-2006, 06:53 PM
hey guys its awsome trying to get others to beleave but dont make fun of them if they dont beleave think wwjd not make fun of them or bash..... but it is funny to read

whiteflash
01-01-2006, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by hondarider2500
its just hard for me to beleive in god when there is absolutely no proof.

No proof? what about the Bible?:confused:

killen them all
01-01-2006, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by whiteflash
No proof? what about the Bible?:confused: noahs ark adam and eves garden there is to much proof how cant you beleave

stalefish_132
01-01-2006, 07:03 PM
I'm a Christian to..i go to church, pray and stuff and i know more christian people that ride than non-christian.:ermm:

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 07:12 PM
well stalefish, you are one lucky guy who knows that many riders that are saved as well. You guys now are the only ones I know except for my bro in law

stalefish_132
01-01-2006, 07:15 PM
well stick in there the pay off will be better than any thing down here.;)

Atkins
01-01-2006, 07:18 PM
Why bring religion into riding? Why is this thread even here?

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 07:22 PM
why post in here if it doesn't concern you? As you may have noticed theres not a whole lot of christian riders, so it's nice to know theres other people out there with the same beleifs that have to deal with people like you who get disgusted with the slightest discussion on religion. If you feel you don't need a religion that's good for you, and I hope someday you'll change that theory, but just let everybody be, nobody's bothering you.

Atkins
01-01-2006, 07:25 PM
Any riders out there with webbed feet and 1 eye?

killen them all
01-01-2006, 07:35 PM
get bent if you dont like it dont post its like your trying to start a fight on something that doesnt even consern you i think you most have some faith or gods tuggen on your shoulder or you woulded be in here just stop reststing him

honda350r
01-01-2006, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by killen them all
noahs ark adam and eves garden there is to much proof how cant you beleave

You can't prove any of that ^ !! It is just like the internet,just because someone wrote it ,doesn't make it true !! :rolleyes:

XCAdam89
01-01-2006, 08:01 PM
Actually, there is a lot of history that backs the Garden of Eden. It talks about the land between two rivers, (Tigris and Euphrates) in a land called mesopotamia. It's out there, you just have to look. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
You can't prove any of that ^ !! It is just like the internet,just because someone wrote it ,doesn't make it true !! :rolleyes:

man can I ask you to delete that post I just want to know how many people that are Christians that are going to heaven not atheist that are going to hell:mad:

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 08:03 PM
ur right 350r...so since they have no proof to back up the evolution theory then I guess we're gonnna throw that theory out the window, if thats what you're going to do about what he was saying.

honda350r
01-01-2006, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
man can I ask you to delete that post I just want to know how many people that are Christians that are going to heaven not atheist that are going to hell:mad:

So what you are saying is that people who don't think like you are bad people and are going to hell??

How much does it cost to believe ??

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 08:09 PM
wow 350, you can't possibly have that low of an IQ. The thread was starting as a meeting point for christian riders, not to hear opinions from you.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
So what you are saying is that people who don't think like you are bad people and are going to hell??

How much does it cost to believe ??

no I am just saying that people that do not believe in God that have had the chance/oppurtunity to believe in him are supposed to go to hell not bagging on you or anyone else but that is what the word is man

isnt that right pastfast125

correct me if I am wrong

wvspeedfreak
01-01-2006, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Atkins
Why bring religion into riding? Why is this thread even here?

I've seen alot more useless threads than this one.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
wow 350, you can't possibly have that low of an IQ. The thread was starting as a meeting point for christian riders, not to hear opinions from you.

exactly, not that we are trying to scare you away from being a Christian, but you just show no sign of hope in God and his word we would love for you to be a Christian but we are not bagging on you so you shouldnt bagg on my thread or any of my fellow Christian riders:grr:

01-01-2006, 08:13 PM
I believe Joe Byrd is a Christian. I am certainly a believer, and was not raised to be. If you seek Christ, he will come into your life. Knock on the door and he will open.

honda350r
01-01-2006, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
no I am just saying that people that do not believe in God that have had the chance/oppurtunity to believe in him are supposed to go to hell


That is just a nice way of saying "believe or burn in hell" !!


It is all good and I respect your belief !

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by wvspeedfreak
I've seen alot more useless threads than this one.
ATKINS
We are not bringing religion into riding we are bringing people with religion into riding and you must have a religion right no matter if it is that your religion is not to believe in god

01-01-2006, 08:16 PM
Even in christian chatrooms there are always people in there disrespecting God and causing trouble. I believe they do it for a reason, they really would like to find and know God but are afraid of something.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 08:17 PM
^^ I hope thats what it is....If not, then this world's in trouble:ermm:

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
That is just a nice way of saying "believe or burn in hell" !!


It is all good and I respect your belief !

Thanks and I wish you believed or will take the time on an open Sunday or Wedsday to go to a Church and talk to a preacher about God noone will laugh at you no matter how old or dumb you are about God they also want you to become a beleiver so they would be willing to talk to you about God and to fill you in on anything you would want to know

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by ACEOUTDOOR
Even in christian chatrooms there are always people in there disrespecting God and causing trouble. I believe they do it for a reason, they really would like to find and know God but are afraid of something.

No one is perfect and everyone sins everyday thats why there is a God to forgive sins

honda350r
01-01-2006, 08:22 PM
This is one of my favorite

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557

Click the listen button ..

killen them all
01-01-2006, 08:23 PM
trx400exxracer you are good guy i with you 100 % on everything you have said so far

killen them all
01-01-2006, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
This is one of my favorite

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557

Click the listen button ..

i am going to report you if you keep cuasing trouble dude plzz get rid of that post

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
This is one of my favorite

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557

Click the listen button ..

I listened to some of that now can you take one Sunday in your life and go to Church just to listen to what the preacher has to say about God

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by killen them all
trx400exxracer you are good guy i with you 100 % on everything you have said so far

Thanks man I respect that

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 08:30 PM
we should almost change this thread into a debate thread, cuz that's what it's turned into. 350,so in your opinion, there is no God. So you are telling me, thousands of years ago, some random guy named jesus just decided, hey I'm gonna make up a story about my father from heaven, let them kill me, and claim to forgive people of their sins? And by the way, before you try to argue with that, there are proven facts and historical documents that prove jesus was alive, and did die on the cross.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
we should almost change this thread into a debate thread, cuz that's what it's turned into. 350,so in your opinion, there is no God. So you are telling me, thousands of years ago, some random guy named jesus just decided, hey I'm gonna make up a story about my father from heaven, let them kill me, and claim to forgive people of their sins? And by the way, before you try to argue with that, there are proven facts and historical documents that prove jesus was alive, and did die on the cross.

this is a good discussion thread on God

killen them all
01-01-2006, 08:33 PM
^^^^^^^^^ smart man right there

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
this is a good discussion thread on God

we should not debate because there is nothing there to debate about there is a God and it is th lord Jesus Christ

like I said discusion thread and convincing others to believers in Christ

killen them all
01-01-2006, 08:36 PM
I think we should have a Christian ride all us Christian and non who want to learn something about God and become a beleaver should have a trip meet up some were and ride like silver lake sand dunes if your an MI but thats just a example


any 1 have any ideas:D

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 08:37 PM
yea, that's what I meant, discussion thread...

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 08:38 PM
that would be cool having a christian ride. lol, we should start up a christian forum, I know somebody already posted one though, but we should start one and have an annual ride.:D I like thinking big

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by killen them all
I think we should have a Christian ride all us Christian and non who want to learn something about God and become a beleaver should have a trip meat up some were and ride like silver lake sand dunes if your an MI but thats just a example

It would be hard to do that with all of us because we are scattered all over the US although I would love to go ride with you Christian and no Christian dudes and gals

We already do that here in Georgia it is called the FCA (Fellow Christian Athletes) we go on rides which are open to everyone and usually a couple of people get saved

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
It would be hard to do that with all of us because we are scattered all over the US although I would love to go ride with you Christian and no Christian dudes and gals

We already do that here in Georgia it is called the FCA (Fellow Christian Athletes) we go on rides which are open to everyone and usually a couple of people get saved

yep

killen them all
01-01-2006, 08:54 PM
well if there is any1 in the around great lakes we could go up to silver lake and make a week out of it kinda camp out ther this is just example but starts on a sat. and goes to friday get there on friday night set up camp. then eat some food in the morning at 7:30 go riding from 8:00 to 11:00-1:00 eat lunch then 1:00 pray and listen about God till 2:30 go back out and ride from 3:00 to 8:00 and join back up at the camp eat dinner and rost som mushrooms and smores and talk about God all mighty then it starts again

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
It would be hard to do that with all of us because we are scattered all over the US although I would love to go ride with you Christian and no Christian dudes and gals

We already do that here in Georgia it is called the FCA (Fellow Christian Athletes) we go on rides which are open to everyone and usually a couple of people get saved

get saved from what? :confused: I always loved that phrase...

And refer to my previous post... About the religious not seeing any other side. It was posted above how there should be no debate, there is a God. Fine for the people that believe. Not everyone shares that belief, nor do they need saved. ;)

I am still curious on the statement about people getting saved on the ride. Did they wreck their quad? Drink comtaminated water from a creek? Almost fall off a ledge while taking a dump? :confused:

As I stated earlier, I accept everyone's right to believe in what they want. Just because someone doesn't follow your beliefs does not make them a bad person, or in need of being saved. Ok, enough religious debate for me this year. And I guess there isn't supposed to be any debate... :p

Now if I turn out to be wrong... There is an all-knowing and forgiving God... Then I guess I am further ahead all those Sundays I slept in! He will see that I have always tried to be a good person and do the right things in life, and be granted entrance to heaven... Well rested! ;)

XCAdam89
01-01-2006, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
that would be cool having a christian ride. lol, we should start up a christian forum, I know somebody already posted one though, but we should start one and have an annual ride.:D I like thinking big

I posted it. Check out their links section, there is quite a few christian MX sites out there.

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
And by the way, before you try to argue with that, there are proven facts and historical documents that prove jesus was alive, and did die on the cross.

I never said Jesus did not live..

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by LTandRaptorider
get saved from what? :confused: I always loved that phrase...

And refer to my previous post... About the religious not seeing any other side. It was posted above how there should be no debate, there is a God. Fine for the people that believe. Not everyone shares that belief, nor do they need saved. ;)

I am still curious on the statement about people getting saved on the ride. Did they wreck their quad? Drink comtaminated water from a creek? Almost fall off a ledge while taking a dump? :confused:

As I stated earlier, I accept everyone's right to believe in what they want. Just because someone doesn't follow your beliefs does not make them a bad person, or in need of being saved. Ok, enough religious debate for me this year. And I guess there isn't supposed to be any debate... :p

Now if I turn out to be wrong... There is an all-knowing and forgiving God... Then I guess I am further ahead all those Sundays I slept in! He will see that I have always tried to be a good person and do the right things in life, and be granted entrance to heaven... Well rested! ;)

you dont know what saved means, it is like someone saying a prayer to bring go into their life, and asking god to forgive them of their sins and to ask God to come into their life

this is saving the person from being a sinner for the rest of their life and going to hell for eternity

killen them all
01-01-2006, 09:10 PM
i think this thread might actualy help some1:D :D :D

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
you dont know what saved means, it is like someone saying a prayer to bring go into their life, and asking god to forgive them of their sins and to ask God to come into their life

this is saving the person from being a sinner for the rest of their life and going to hell for eternity

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:16 PM
LTandRaptor, The term getting "saved" means getting saved from eternity in hell. I know you guys are gonna go on and on now about how you think there is no hell and blah blah blah. The stroy goes, if you have excepted jesus into your heart and follow him, you will be saved from going to hell and will live for eternity in heaven. Now I'm not positive on this, but it is debated that when the time is ready, another earth will be created, where those in heaven will go to live. As I said I'm not positive on that, I think a lot of that is beleif and opinion. Now, beleiving in christ and being saved may in turn, save you from falling off a cliff while taking a dump:D . I do agree that if us christians are going to say we are right, then the other side should be alowed to debate their opinion, although that's not what this post was created for.

Now onto your theory of "well If God is so forgiving, then he'll just let me into heaven anyway." It doesn't work that way. Judgement between heaven and hell is not decided on good deeds. It is based on beleif, and loyalty. You can't just pick and choose when you want to beleive in christ. BEing saved was ment to seperate those who actually beleive in God, have accepted him into their hearts, and live their life for him. Now this doesn't mean donating money. This means gathering more people into the christian faith, and living as jesus would. Setting a good example for christianity. If you say you're a christian, and then go out to a strip club the same night, that isn't right. Although, when you are saved, sins can be forgivin. But in my opinion, If you are not a beleiver, then God doesn't hear your prayers. Harsh, but that's how it is. So you can't so, O well I prayed to God, and he never fulfilled it. Part of that would be because you are not truly saved. You can't ask for God's help only when you need it, it has to be a give and recieve. When people pray, they are not always asking for help, they are thanking God for what he has done and provided. That's it for now, I'm getting too deep for someone who isn't even interested in beleiving.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:18 PM
I hope that covered any misconceptions you or anybody has about christianity. I don't know everything, I'm only 15. Hopefully some of you won't be too stubborn to consider this. At a time, I read about and looked into the sides of evolution and all that, I was still a christian, but I wanted to see their side, and if I beleived any of it, to this day I still beleive in my way, so maybe some of you will consider what I am saying, and not just blow it off cuz you are set in your ways.

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by killen them all
i think this thread might actualy help some1:D :D :D

Maybe you? I can't believe YOU threatened to report someone because they posted a link to a site that has an opinion other than your own. I believe you got banned under another username a couple months ago. :rolleyes:

remember... this is an open forum on a public discussion board... you may not always get responses that coincide with your own.

And yes, I do know what "saved" means. I merely debate the semantics used in that phrase... So for those that don't believe, or have doubts are damned eternally? At least I'll be warm... And I suspect I'll see some of the "believers" there... ;)

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:20 PM
Man, have they got a grip on the young guns !!

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:21 PM
not sure I totally catch ya, but the bible also has a lot written about being luke warm, or 2 sided. Acting christian at one point, but being a completely different person at the other times. IT is stated in the bible that this is just as bad as being athiest or any of that. You are either for Him, or agains him.

killen them all
01-01-2006, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by LTandRaptorider
Maybe you? I can't believe YOU threatened to report someone because they posted a link to a site that has an opinion other than your own. I believe you got banned under another username a couple months ago. :rolleyes:

remember... this is an open forum on a public discussion board... you may not always get responses that coincide with your own.

And yes, I do know what "saved" means. I merely debate the semantics used in that phrase... So for those that don't believe, or have doubts are damned eternally? At least I'll be warm... And I suspect I'll see some of the "believers" there... ;) he didnt want to know why u didnt beleave he woundered who was a christian not a hole page about some bulll SH** guy that had nothing better to do and make something up and hand it out i hope you get saved you and 350r sound like you need GOd

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:25 PM
sry 350, but THEY, don't exist for me, nobody has a grip on me, I was raised as a christian on one side of my family. But I never beleived it. I have come to these conclusions on my own. I made my own opinions. everything I just posted, I was not taught, I looked at both sides of everything. I find it sad that I, a 15 yr old, has more opinion than a lot of you none beleivers posting. You can't even show us your own opinion, with the exception for a few. Posting a link to someone elses opinion? Htey dont have the young ones hooked, they have you hooked. You're not going by what you have figured out on ur own, you are going by what others have told you, and convinced you into.

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by killen them all
he didnt want to know why u didnt beleave he woundered who was a christian not a hole page about some bulll SH** guy that had nothing better to do and make something up and hand it out i hope you get saved you and 350r sound like you need GOd

You are very scary..

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:29 PM
lol, AMEN!

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:30 PM
wow my computer is messed up, dissapearing posts again....insert twilight zone music....

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by LTandRaptorider
Maybe you? I can't believe YOU threatened to report someone because they posted a link to a site that has an opinion other than your own. I believe you got banned under another username a couple months ago. :rolleyes:

remember... this is an open forum on a public discussion board... you may not always get responses that coincide with your own.

And yes, I do know what "saved" means. I merely debate the semantics used in that phrase... So for those that don't believe, or have doubts are damned eternally? At least I'll be warm... And I suspect I'll see some of the "believers" there... ;)

well mabye it will help him remember humans are not perfect and can be forgiven

wqhat about you are you sure you can talk about that when you are not even sure about yourself just wondering

and can you keep the foul language out of this website or i will have to report you from encouraging other lil peoples on here to get in trouble and their parents finding out they got it from the sight of atvriders

pwease don't use the "D" word onhere if you are going to try to corner someone else about getting banned when you could be banned for using foul language:D

atleast bleep it out

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
sry 350, but THEY, don't exist for me, nobody has a grip on me, I was raised as a christian on one side of my family. But I never beleived it. I have come to these conclusions on my own. I made my own opinions. everything I just posted, I was not taught, I looked at both sides of everything. I find it sad that I, a 15 yr old, has more opinion than a lot of you none beleivers posting. You can't even show us your own opinion, with the exception for a few. Posting a link to someone elses opinion? Htey dont have the young ones hooked, they have you hooked. You're not going by what you have figured out on ur own, you are going by what others have told you, and convinced you into.

And I respect that you came to your own conlusions and arrived at your own opinion. ;)

Just expand your horizons and realize that your beliefs aren't the only ones... And other beliefs aren't necessarily wrong. On topics such as this, there is no right, there is no wrong. Just opinions... which like azzholes, everybody has one! :blah:

Now shouldn't you be getting to bed and saying an extra prayer for me? Who knows, I'll take all the help I can get! :devil:

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
. I have come to these conclusions on my own. I made my own opinions. everything I just posted, I was not taught, I looked at both sides of everything. you into.

If that was a true statment,you wouldn't have needed the bible to read to come up your opinions!!

Your opinions are someone eles's beat into your head !!

Sad but true ..

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
lol, AMEN!

Pastfast125

you wanna build a church with me I we can alternate with being the preacher and youth minister


lol:D

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
Pastfast125

you wanna build a church with me I we can alternate with being the preacher and youth minister


lol:D

Not a bad way to make money !!

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:36 PM
wow, it's ashame that what I'm guessing is a full grown adult understands so little. As I said, I read both sides, I leanred about all the crap you beleive in, and I read the bible. You watch your stupid videos of penn saying his opinion, you have just been further influenced, taking in his opinions, you have no concern in listeneing to any other side, man I'm glad I'm not you, cuz I would feel really stupid right now.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by LTandRaptorider
And I respect that you came to your own conlusions and arrived at your own opinion. ;)

Just expand your horizons and realize that your beliefs aren't the only ones... And other beliefs aren't necessarily wrong. On topics such as this, there is no right, there is no wrong. Just opinions... which like azzholes, everybody has one! :blah:

Now shouldn't you be getting to bed and saying an extra prayer for me? Who knows, I'll take all the help I can get! :devil:

mabye you should take the time to pray for your self don't depend on someone else to save you from hell you have to have some comitment

If you promise to pray for yourself I am sure me and him would be more than happy to pray for you:D

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
well mabye it will help him remember humans are not perfect and can be forgiven

wqhat about you are you sure you can talk about that when you are not even sure about yourself just wondering

and can you keep the foul language out of this website or i will have to report you from encouraging other lil peoples on here to get in trouble and their parents finding out they got it from the sight of atvriders

pwease don't use the "D" word onhere if you are going to try to corner someone else about getting banned when you could be banned for using foul language:D

atleast bleep it out

Don't worry about me, I am sure of myself. ;)

And I sure as hell hope you were kidding about me using "damned" in my post above. It is in the bible, or so I'm told... ;) Now find something else to back up your "saved" buddy with that I referred to being banned previously. ;)

Good night all. I will still respect everyone else's opinion. I may even say a prayer that the righteous not be so narrow-minded. :blah: :devil: Or I could just go to sleep... :)

01-01-2006, 09:38 PM
ppl in conflict about religion is frickin hilarious.

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
wow, it's ashame that what I'm guessing is a full grown adult understands so little. As I said, I read both sides, I leanred about all the crap you beleive in, and I read the bible. You watch your stupid videos of penn saying his opinion, you have just been further influenced, taking in his opinions, you have no concern in listeneing to any other side, man I'm glad I'm not you, cuz I would feel really stupid right now.


It was not a video !! It was audio and text only!!

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
Not a bad way to make money !!

it is not about the money it is about helping other people and saving them and teaching them more about Jesus Christ and the Bible:D

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by mittimj
ppl in conflict about religion is frickin hilarious.

You think the world trade centers coming down is funny ??

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:40 PM
o man, this day couldn't get any better, more ignorance?! Lemme just take a wild guess 350, you're one of the poeple who think churches take all the offering money and keep it for themselves. You must be right, I mean, it's not like they would wanna heat the building. nahhh who wants a heated building??:huh That couldn't be it...hmmm, maybe they want to have lights running?? nO WAY, now who wants lights these days?...I know, maybe they need it to help out all the sick families?? naaaaaa, they cna fend for themselves. ya I guess Ur right, the only reason they collect money is for themselves, I should've seen it sooner:huh

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
it is not about the money it is about helping other people and saving them and teaching them more about Jesus Christ and the Bible:D

Right !!:rolleyes:

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by LTandRaptorider
Don't worry about me, I am sure of myself. ;)

And I sure as hell hope you were kidding about me using "damned" in my post above. It is in the bible, or so I'm told... ;) Now find something else to back up your "saved" buddy with that I referred to being banned previously. ;)

Good night all. I will still respect everyone else's opinion. I may even say a prayer that the righteous not be so narrow-minded. :blah: :devil: Or I could just go to sleep... :)

It doesnt matter if it was used in the bible it was meant for you to not use it in that way

and hey I was just saying dont critisize anyone else when you can be critisized in the same way for doing something that could get you banned

250xridamatt
01-01-2006, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
mabye you should take the time to pray for your self don't depend on someone else to save you from hell you have to have some comitment

If you promise to pray for yourself I am sure me and him would be more than happy to pray for you:D

I am a christian, and am choosing to stay out of this debate for the most part. I do go to a christian school, and have since 1st grade. So I feel like I am fairly well educated in the subject.

I just dont agree with your last statement. It is not God's will for you to pray for someone only if they agree to do it themself. Instead pray for everyone that they might see the truth in whatever way he has planned.

I will just keep reading for now, until I read something else that I dont think has been said correctly, or somehow deviates from how it is truely written in the bible itself.

01-01-2006, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
Right !!:rolleyes:

Dude, you are out of line. Get a life!!

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
o man, this day couldn't get any better, more ignorance?! Lemme just take a wild guess 350, you're one of the poeple who think churches take all the offering money and keep it for themselves. You must be right, I mean, it's not like they would wanna heat the building. nahhh who wants a heated building??:huh That couldn't be it...hmmm, maybe they want to have lights running?? nO WAY, now who wants lights these days?...I know, maybe they need it to help out all the sick families?? naaaaaa, they cna fend for themselves. ya I guess Ur right, the only reason they collect money is for themselves, I should've seen it sooner:huh

yep man I guess they tricked us I wish I was smart enough to figure that out sooner

lol J/K kinda:cool:

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
It doesnt matter if it was used in the bible it was meant for you to not use it in that way

and hey I was just saying dont critisize anyone else when you can be critisized in the same way for doing something that could get you banned

And I used it as it is used in the bible. I hardly think that will get me banned. ;) Report away, youngun. Then get your butt to bed so you are wide awake for school.

And btw... I NEVER look for, or wait for someone or something else to save me. ;) End of story. Nite.

250xridamatt
01-01-2006, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
Right !!:rolleyes:

I have not met a single pastor that is in it for the money. Pastors I know, dont make anywhere enough for what they do...

killen them all
01-01-2006, 09:48 PM
350 i cant stand ppl like you at all if you were here right now i would b*tch slap u i am sorry this guy is really getten to me what a dumbazz :mad:

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:49 PM
my brother in law and sister, are both pastors/missionaries, they live in a small trailer, designed for camping trips, it probably has like 50 sq ft. It doesn't seem to me that they keep the money:huh

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:51 PM
killen them, I don't mean to sound like a pansy, but doin that isn't helping, I understand where you're coming from, o boy do I, but like I said in that like page long thing I wrote, gotta set an example, or they could just say, well what right do you have to judge, ur not ating christian like. But Id efinately know where your coming from. By the way, next time instead of suggesting a slap, I'd pick something a lil more damaging, lol, j/k

LTandRaptorider
01-01-2006, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by killen them all
350 i cant stand ppl like you at all if you were here right now i would b*tch slap u i am sorry this guy is really getten to me what a dumbazz :mad:

Now that is not very Christian like of you... What happened to "turn the other cheek"?! :confused: :p

Well, debating with teenagers has been fun and somewhat thought provoking... And also preparing me for the eventuality of finally having kids! :eek: ;)

killen them all
01-01-2006, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
my brother in law and sister, are both pastors/missionaries, they live in a small trailer, designed for camping trips, it probably has like 50 sq ft. It doesn't seem to me that they keep the money:huh

dude just dont listen to him he just trying to start fights with people he has to make ppl mad throw a screen cuz they cant beat his a** like they would out on the streets

01-01-2006, 09:52 PM
I hope God comes into these skeptics lives and allows them to do great things in His name someday.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:53 PM
any of you christian dudes near dubuque iowa? It'd be cool to meet up and ride this summer. Bluff creek/bussey is sweet.

killen them all
01-01-2006, 09:55 PM
sorry pastfast125 i have a short temper and some ppl set it of like im tnt im dinomite tnt sorry good song

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 09:57 PM
lol, yea, that guy is gettin to me too, it wouldn't bother me with ihm having his opinion, if he didn't act so ingorant and bull headed.just get back at him with intelligance, he doesn't seem hard to beat:D

honda350r
01-01-2006, 09:59 PM
Help spread the word !!


http://www.venganza.org/

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by 250xridamatt
I am a christian, and am choosing to stay out of this debate for the most part. I do go to a christian school, and have since 1st grade. So I feel like I am fairly well educated in the subject.

I just dont agree with your last statement. It is not God's will for you to pray for someone only if they agree to do it themself. Instead pray for everyone that they might see the truth in whatever way he has planned.

I will just keep reading for now, until I read something else that I dont think has been said correctly, or somehow deviates from how it is truely written in the bible itself.

I think what I was trying to say that I would pray for him if he would try to help himself a little that it couldn't all be me that he had to make an effort

yes it does seem you are well educated about God I just got save last year in Feb.

I wish there was a Christian School I could go to around here

01-01-2006, 10:01 PM
its still funny. chuckling to myself...

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:02 PM
350, this is why noone is going to take anything you say seriously, you are a joke. You must feel threatened, you must feel like we are making a good point, otherwise you wouldn't resort to flying spaghetti monsters, although funny, I don't think anybody will take you seriously anymore, not that we did before

250xridamatt
01-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Saying dumb things, or becoming angry is definately not the thing to do at all.

For anyone that would like to read more, or try to find the truth, there are many good books out there. We read The Case for Christ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310209307/103-6247733-5527034?v=glance&n=283155) In Bible class last year, and this book did help convince me of a few things I wasnt sure of. Go to the library and pick it up if you are interested.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by LTandRaptorider
And I used it as it is used in the bible. I hardly think that will get me banned. ;) Report away, youngun. Then get your butt to bed so you are wide awake for school.

And btw... I NEVER look for, or wait for someone or something else to save me. ;) End of story. Nite.

yeah like it is used in the bible d***ed hell

uhhuh:rolleyes:

killen them all
01-01-2006, 10:04 PM
i went to a christian school from 2nd to 6th grade and then went to a public school 7th -now i change cuz the christian school didnt have a football team

01-01-2006, 10:06 PM
Wow trx400exxracer, 10 pages in 1 day!

honda350r
01-01-2006, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
350, this is why noone is going to take anything you say seriously, you are a joke. You must feel threatened, you must feel like we are making a good point, otherwise you wouldn't resort to flying spaghetti monsters, although funny, I don't think anybody will take you seriously anymore, not that we did before

I am not serious! I am feeding on others opinions!

How can you laugh at the Spagetti monster and not laugh at your own belief ???

01-01-2006, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
I am not serious! I am feeding on others opinions!

How can you laugh at the Spagetti monster and not laugh at your own belief ???


GET LOST DUDE!! Its past your bedtime!!

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by 250xridamatt
Saying dumb things, or becoming angry is definately not the thing to do at all.

For anyone that would like to read more, or try to find the truth, there are many good books out there. We read The Case for Christ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310209307/103-6247733-5527034?v=glance&n=283155) In Bible class last year, and this book did help convince me of a few things I wasnt sure of. Go to the library and pick it up if you are interested.

and we read CHARACTER, old testament people, encounters with God

we also use are Bible to find related verses to that book :D

killen them all
01-01-2006, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by honda350r
I am not serious! I am feeding on others opinions!

How can you laugh at the Spagetti monster and not laugh at your own belief ??? :mad: :mad: :mad: i dont like you very much im trying to keep it cool:eek2: easy does it nate

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:10 PM
you're right, I should laugh at my own beleif, we don't have any proof jesus existed, can you read, I alreayd explained a lot of this...shw me sme historical documents dated thousands of years the prove that there was a giant spaghetti monster. And if so, what does the spaghetti monster want? followers, money? it would want something, it wouldn't just give us this world and leave. So, don't laugh at mine till you think it over a lil, I know you have a problem with thinking, but try it for us once:ermm:

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:11 PM
^^^ that looks funny, a serious comment, about a speghetti monster...hmmm, what has this thread come to.

250xridamatt
01-01-2006, 10:12 PM
Just to clear anything up... damned is used multiple times in the bible. Its just that God decides what is damned and not us.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:15 PM
lemme ask you a question 350, in the terms of evolution and the realated, If a scientist has proven facts, is that what you beleive? what the scientists say?

killen them all
01-01-2006, 10:15 PM
guys 350 is staying up prety late i think he most realy want to know the truth other wise he woulded care so much about what we think:)

honda350r
01-01-2006, 10:16 PM
?

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:17 PM
sry I have to laugh at that, it's good to keep the tension light...

killen them all
01-01-2006, 10:22 PM
lol buy buy 350 i reported you for posting a naked dude i know you will be gone for that

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by 250xridamatt
Just to clear anything up... damned is used multiple times in the bible. Its just that God decides what is damned and not us. exactly

thats what I was saying:p

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:30 PM
well 350, or anybody else whos on the side of evolution, lets talk evolution. What makes you think it's true?

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
well 350, or anybody else whos on the side of evolution, lets talk evolution. What makes you think it's true?

seriously I would like to hear the side of evolution just to see what you guys believe in

01-01-2006, 10:35 PM
You never know when death comes, maybe at 100 years old, maybe tonight in your sleep. But when it does you'll find out the truth, and then I'll bet you won't be joking anymore.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by ACEOUTDOOR
You never know when death comes, maybe at 100 years old, maybe tonight in your sleep. But when it does you'll find out the truth, and then I'll bet you won't be joking anymore.

good point I think about that alot:confused:

01-01-2006, 10:39 PM
I am far from perfect, and I pray He forgives me and has mercy on my soul. But I would just be plain scared to do what you guys are doin and trying to turn people away from God.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:42 PM
we're not trying to scare anyone, we're trying to show to them that our point makes sense, that there actually is stuff to back up what we beleive in. Like I said, being luke worm is just as bad as not beleiving at all, I'd rather take a chance, and put some idea of this into their heads, maybe if they turn away now, in years to come they might think, well those guys had a point, maybe I should go to the church and learn a lil more. It's better they hear something rather than nothing

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by ACEOUTDOOR
I am far from perfect, and I pray He forgives me and has mercy on my soul. But I would just be plain scared to do what you guys are doin and trying to turn people away from God.

U feek the same way I have alot more to learn about God but the last thing I would do is turn people away from God when I had the oppurtunity to be on God's side and to learn more about him and his word

01-01-2006, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
we're not trying to scare anyone, we're trying to show to them that our point makes sense, that there actually is stuff to back up what we beleive in. Like I said, being luke worm is just as bad as not beleiving at all, I'd rather take a chance, and put some idea of this into their heads, maybe if they turn away now, in years to come they might think, well those guys had a point, maybe I should go to the church and learn a lil more. It's better they hear something rather than nothing

That makes alot of sense??

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
we're not trying to scare anyone, we're trying to show to them that our point makes sense, that there actually is stuff to back up what we beleive in. Like I said, being luke worm is just as bad as not beleiving at all, I'd rather take a chance, and put some idea of this into their heads, maybe if they turn away now, in years to come they might think, well those guys had a point, maybe I should go to the church and learn a lil more. It's better they hear something rather than nothing

I don't think he was talking about you I thought he was talking about the people that dont believe in God and turn people away with no proof what so ever

01-01-2006, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
U feek the same way I have alot more to learn about God but the last thing I would do is turn people away from God when I had the oppurtunity to be on God's side and to learn more about him and his word

Amen Brother

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:44 PM
oh, lol, well then I wasted a lot of typing

01-01-2006, 10:47 PM
LOL Just givin you trouble man.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
oh, lol, well then I wasted a lot of typing

well hopefully someone will read it and learn something

01-01-2006, 10:56 PM
TRX400 if you are 14 as your sig says, you got a good head on your shoulders.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 10:58 PM
cept for his avatar...lol, doesn't really go with the whole christian thing:D

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by ACEOUTDOOR
TRX400 if you are 14 as your sig says, you got a good head on your shoulders.
yes I am 14
well i thank you man

God sure has changed my life and of cousre my parents raising me right

I have been doing a lot better out in the world since I was saved 11 months ago

I just wish to become a pro GNCC racer so I can reach out to all the other racers as a role model

hopefully by then I will know enough about the word to teach it to other people

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 11:04 PM
yea, I wanna race motocross, get real good, see if I can get some cool christian related sponsors. And like I said at the beginning of this thread, when I move I'd like to start up a youth group involving dirtbikes and stuff....It's a cool way to spread the word

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
yea, I wanna race motocross, get real good, see if I can get some cool christian related sponsors. And like I said at the beginning of this thread, when I move I'd like to start up a youth group involving dirtbikes and stuff....It's a cool way to spread the word

you said it right there

but there arent many Christian related sponsors therefore you could convice them to become one which is an awsome idea

01-01-2006, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
yes I am 14
well i thank you man

God sure has changed my life and of cousre my parents raising me right

I have been doing a lot better out in the world since I was saved 11 months ago

I just wish to become a pro GNCC racer so I can reach out to all the other racers as a role model

hopefully by then I will know enough about the word to teach it to other people

That is the COOLEST thing in the world man!! Keep your head up and don't let anyone or anything stop you. He has an awesome plan for you, just see it thru.

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 11:08 PM
what would be real cool is to get some local churches, but I dunno if I would wanna do that, cuz then they would probably have to ask for more tithes and offerings, and they probably wouldn't want to do that.

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
what would be real cool is to get some local churches, but I dunno if I would wanna do that, cuz then they would probably have to ask for more tithes and offerings, and they probably wouldn't want to do that.

naw man I can do it with my families and myselfs dedication when I am 17 I plan to race the open B class or A class

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by ACEOUTDOOR
That is the COOLEST thing in the world man!! Keep your head up and don't let anyone or anything stop you. He has an awesome plan for you, just see it thru.

Well Jusus died on the cross for me and you and everone

it is the least I can do

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:22 PM
one person that inspires me is Bill V. Ballance he has a cross sticker on his quad that says

J
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saves
u
s

and he pours his champagne out of the bottle when he gets on the podium and thanks God in his interview

i just want to take that a step farther:D

pastfast125
01-01-2006, 11:29 PM
do you work? do you have to pay for all your stuff? just curious. Once I get my license I'll start racing, but I gotta pay for everything

Atkins
01-01-2006, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by killen them all
get bent if you dont like it dont post its like your trying to start a fight on something that doesnt even consern you i think you most have some faith or gods tuggen on your shoulder or you woulded be in here just stop reststing him Listen, no give me that bullsh*t. I dont believe in your "god", and you dont need to come on here and tell me that "im resisting him". Just put a sock in it.:chinese:

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by pastfast125
do you work? do you have to pay for all your stuff? just curious. Once I get my license I'll start racing, but I gotta pay for everything

well my parents pays for my quad and gear but I get the sponsors and try to buy used parts as much as I can I am currently paying for all of my mods right now from $$$ from Christmas and birthdays but as long as I am doing well in school they back me up 100% but I still am getting a job when I am 16 I am now 14

But getting there is not a problem becuase it (racing) is a family thing

but In the future I want to buy more things for myself but I try to buy most of my stuuf that I WANT :D

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Atkins
Listen, no give me that bullsh*t. I dont believe in your "god", and you dont need to come on here and tell me that "im resisting him". Just put a sock in it.:chinese:

so what do you believe in and why and what is it

I dont really know much about any other religions

ninis470
01-01-2006, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Pappy
well i aint no preacher, but ive done my share of praying while riding
:p
amen, to that...

trx400exxracer
01-01-2006, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by ninis470
amen, to that...

yep I try to pray before every race and ride

Atkins
01-02-2006, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by trx400exxracer
so what do you believe in and why and what is it

I dont really know much about any other religions

Listen to that Penn Teller audio clip posted earlier, its really amazing. I am agnostic, I believe that theres something, but I just havent found it yet. I was raised Roman Catholic and I believed through and through in catholicism. Ive always been the type of person to question things, and try to figure out the unknown logically and scientifically for myself, never fully accepting the word of others. As I began to question the Bible, and its word of Jesus and God, I began to realize that most if not all of it did not make sense in any literal sense. I noticed that many christians believe that the bible is to be literally interpretted as our past and is the absolute truth, but I dont understand this logic at all. Then I began to look at it from a metephorical standpoint. I began to realize that the bible is not any literal translation of our past, but a book written metephorically in order to teach us good moral character.

The bible is a priceless book when passages are interpretted as good moral lessons written metephorically, and can help build a healthy moral character in one's self. It is only when people decide to take it literally and as "the word of God" when people begin to fear the opposite of it's word.

When i began analizing the bible and faith and religion in general, from probably 2nd grade up until now, I at first felt this inner fear that even the thought of thinking against what my church was teaching me was going to damn me to hell, and that it was sacriligious. Slowly, as I became braver and clearer with my thoughts, I began to realize that this fear is unnecessary. When religious fanatics live caring kind lives, it is not because that is their true character, but because they have an inner fear that if they do not live like this, they will be damned to hell. This facad of kindness that masked an inner selfishness for one's self deeply troubled me. I began to realize that it is only when you take this fear out of your life, and begin to look at life and humanity from a clean pallet, can you begin to mold these good moral traits tought by the bible into your own character without doing so only in fear of the wrath of any God.

Anyways, if you have any questions, ask away.

pastfast125
01-02-2006, 12:17 AM
can't say I agree.

Atkins
01-02-2006, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by pastfast125
can't say I agree.
You are pretty damn ignorant, arent you. I write an essay on my beliefs, and you cant even attempt to argue any of my thoughts, you just write an ignorant 4 word response. Why dont you attempt to argue some thoughts in my post without telling me that "the Devil has my soul" or some bullsh*t, tahtll just prove you live your life in fear just like the rest of them.

pastfast125
01-02-2006, 12:28 AM
I'm not gonna go into a whole thing explaining myself unless asked too. My reason for nto agreeing is because, if I understand you correctly, in your opinion, the bible was basically created as a book to scare us into good behaviour, a book created only as a means to provide good moral standards, not as the actual word of God. That is where I disagree. Jesus really was on this earth, and really did die on the cross. That is a proven fact. I don't beleive the bible was a made up book for a few reasons. #1. It does follow everything that happened with Jesus, and preaches him as the son of God. At that time, most people considered this blasphemy(sp). So there are few who would publish a book designed to keep moral standards such as the bible. they would find another way to do it, without proclaiming some man as the son of GOd. #2 Back then, such a book was not really required. either most people were fine with the immoral actions going on. And it was an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth..(is that the right saying? I'm not thinking well)...Anybody that did something considered worng or immoral by the people or officials was stoned or crucified. Thats all I can think of for now, my brains tired, I've been argueing this all night.

pastfast125
01-02-2006, 12:31 AM
To add on, christians don't live their lives in fear, at least not true christians. They live their lives in hope and hapiness knowing that they will live eternally in heaven. Going to hell for being sinful doesn't phase most christians, because if they are really living their lives for christ, they live everyday like him. And are forgiven for our sins. When one truly has christ in their heart, they have no worry of hell, they are garaunteed eternal life as long as they maintain their relationship with God. Hope that explains it a lil better

killen them all
01-02-2006, 12:33 AM
Atkins go blow it out yourASS you just want to start a fight

Atkins
01-02-2006, 12:36 AM
My brains fried too, lol, this is my last post before I hit the sack.

I wasnt trying to say that the Bible was a book created to scare people, I was saying it is a book that was written with alot of good morals and standards for life, kind of like Asop's fables, but I dont think it should be taken literally, and when it is, people are scared to go against God.

I believe Jesus was crucified, but what proof do you have that he was the son of God? There is no proof that he was raised from the dead or turned water into wine or anything.

Also, you say:"Anybody that did something considered worng or immoral by the people or officials was stoned or crucified."

This happened all of the time for centuries when governments were under Christian rule. Those who went against the bible were murdered for being heretics. Is this any different, except for the fact that these people were murdered for what the bible tought instead?

pastfast125
01-02-2006, 12:41 AM
for the how do we know jesus was the son of God....think about this, why would some random guy, claim he's the son of God, allow himself to be crucified? Just for kicks? Unless he was insane, which has never been stated ever. And what about the resurrection? do you beleive in that? What's your standpoint on evolution?

Atkins
01-02-2006, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by killen them all
Atkins go blow it out yourASS you just want to start a fight

Why arent you banned again yet? You dodged an IP ban.

killen them all
01-02-2006, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Atkins
Why arent you banned again yet? You dodged an IP ban. ahhh man im glad i took of all my stickers on my raptor all i miss the shee

killen them all
01-02-2006, 12:53 AM
im not bother you you came in this thread and mocked are beleaves

Atkins
01-02-2006, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by killen them all
im not bother you you came in this thread and mocked are beleaves
If you try to say Im going to hell for my beliefs, then Im going to defend myself.

Im surprised you figured out how to turn on your computer, what are you at a 3rd grade english level?

killen them all
01-02-2006, 01:01 AM
i never said you were going to hell and im at 11th grade reading i just suck at spelling:blah:

killen them all
01-02-2006, 01:06 AM
Atkins
if u dont beleave then why do you care what others beleave and act like im atacking you if you dont beleave dont post it said christian riders hmmmmmm maybe that mean people who beleave in God jizz lips:huh

Atkins
01-02-2006, 01:08 AM
I believe a little debating over issues like this is healthy, as long as immature people such as yourself stay out of it. And I know people with downs syndrome that can spell better then you.

killen them all
01-02-2006, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Atkins
I believe a little debating over issues like this is healthy, as long as immature people such as yourself stay out of it. And I know people with downs syndrome that can spell better then you.

thank you:D

MOFO
01-02-2006, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by killen them all
Atkins go blow it out yourASS you just want to start a fight



YOU are on your way out. Just because people disagree with you is NOT a reason to report this freaking post 3 times.

This was a decent thread, but you cant seem to deal with other peoples opinion.