125 or 250f ???

[chris400]

plain and simple i want a dirtbike.

i dont know which to choose from:
a 125 that is easy to maintain, and light with minimal problems, but you always have to stay on the gas to get all the power out of it.

OR

a 250f that is smooth in power, and easier to get power out of. just has valve issues and other minor issues

can you give me some feedback as to what youve heard frmo these bikes?

thanks. chris.

[EX400rider]

well a 250f like doubles the tourq and is alot smoother but cost lots more. its ur move man!!

[rmz250]

should have got my rmz when it was still for sale. 2 strokes are dead on the track.

[trx400exxracer]

2-stroke bikes are deffinately not dead in GNCC or harescrambles N such

If your goin to be racin in offroad xc events I would get a 125 and put a 145 kit on it and race it in the 200 class thats what people do in GNCC and Se&tra

[rmz250]

Originally posted by trx400exxracer
2-stroke bikes are deffinately not dead in GNCC or harescrambles N such

If your goin to be racin in offroad xc events I would get a 125 and put a 145 kit on it and race it in the 200 class thats what people do in GNCC and Se&tra

I'm guessing hes doing MX. 4 strokes are owning 2 strokes in Mx. You must be stoned.

[trx400exxracer]

Originally posted by rmz250
I'm guessing hes doing MX. 4 strokes are owning 2 strokes in Mx. You must be stoned.

Ohh if it is MX I would deff. get a 250f

Its all about personal preferance and rider ability. Ricky Carmichael could own everyone in the "Lites" class on an RM125. Look at what Bubbles did in 2004. I have 2 250f's and a 125 that I race in school boy. I can put up nearly identical lap times on all 3.

[motoman287]

I own both a 125 and a 250f, and can also post similar times on each. IMO, a 125 is harder to go fast on because you have to keep it lit and keep your momentum, while I've heard ppl. say 4-strokes make a person lazy. I've also heard ppl. say that if you can go fast on a 125, it will be even easier on a 250f, and I'd have to agree...

Your call, I love my 250f (especially in the mud/sand and on huge uphills where I used to get eaten up on my 125), although I'll always love 125's as well!

Originally posted by motoman287
I own both a 125 and a 250f, and can also post similar times on each. IMO, a 125 is harder to go fast on because you have to keep it lit and keep your momentum, while I've heard ppl. say 4-strokes make a person lazy. I've also heard ppl. say that if you can go fast on a 125, it will be even easier on a 250f, and I'd have to agree...

Your call, I love my 250f (especially in the mud/sand and on huge uphills where I used to get eaten up on my 125), although I'll always love 125's as well! I'm sure if you had a more current 125 it would be easier to go faster on. 125's have come a long way in nearly 10 years.

[motoman287]

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
I'm sure if you had a more current 125 it would be easier to go faster on. 125's have come a long way in nearly 10 years.

Yea, and I also don't live in the past. I've ridden more than one 125 dumb @$$. I've been on 4 strokes for a while, just kept the 125 because it's probably the last one I'll ever own. It's bought and paid for, might as well keep it...

hmm...it couldn't be possible that my friends own NEWER 125's, could it? And if they did they'd never let me ride them, right?

[rmz250]

Originally posted by motoman287
Yea, and I also don't live in the past. I've ridden more than one 125 dumb @$$. I've been on 4 strokes for a while, just kept the 125 because it's probably the last one I'll ever own. It's bought and paid for, might as well keep it...

hmm...it couldn't be possible that my friends own NEWER 125's, could it? And if they did they'd never let me ride them, right?

I have no idea where you got anger from his post...

Originally posted by motoman287
Yea, and I also don't live in the past. I've ridden more than one 125 dumb @$$. I've been on 4 strokes for a while, just kept the 125 because it's probably the last one I'll ever own. It's bought and paid for, might as well keep it...

hmm...it couldn't be possible that my friends own NEWER 125's, could it? And if they did they'd never let me ride them, right? Whoa, chill out man.

[hardkoratvmxr]

250f definately. All forms of racing and riding are moving away from the sound and power of a 2 stroke to the modern day power and characteristcs of modern 4 storkes

[450robot]

ive never owned a dirtbike before, but my buddy has a cr125 or fooling around, and a crf250r, and ive taken both out for a beating

the only reason i would ever go to buy a 125 over the 250 is the weight difference, it seemed alot easier to corner and whip the 125 around

of course, im still a beginner at dirtbikes, so it could just be my skill level, but thats what i think

the 125 was just to hard to keep the power going, it seemed it you werent revving it all the time, it would bog, and you would lose your balance

[ThumPIN_450R]

get a 125 I love the sound of piped 125 and there needs to be more of them out there.

[Mxjunkie]

Piped 125s and 80s do sound pretty badass :macho your right though, there does need to be more out there!

[mine]

i've got a 125 its a ton af power if u ask me and i am almost 6 foot 230 lbs,
if i had the money i would defffinetly go straight to 250f,kawi probably,there 06 is sweet.
but if u lookin to make a switch from ur 450 i would deffinatly go with the 250f,but i heard that anything under 05 had some valve problems(im not possitive)

racing = 250f
125's are not outdated just everybody is moving to 4-stroke tech

messin around - deffinatly the 125 /easy to throw around and jump

but i have to say if i had the money i would go with a 250f

both great bikes:macho

[Flynbryan19]

I personally would buy a 125 and laugh all the way around the track at how cheap I got it for and how many 250F's I was beating.... If your a pro level rider, then yes I'd get a 250F. But for an amature rider a 125 is completely competative. I was consistently faster on my two-smoker than my four-banger when I still raced mx. It has alot to do with riding style too. If your a cut and pin-it kind of rider a 2-stroke will be better, but if your good at carrying momentum and ride smooth a thumper may fit you better. If I were to race mx again, I'd buy a two-stroke no questions asked.

[ny300exrider]

ill speak for chris since hes my friend and im bored in school. there are no mx/race tracks around here, so most of the riding he is going to be doing is mainly sandpits and open feilds. when i get my license we will most likely take some trips to tracks but it wont be every weekend. im still not convinced on the four stroke bikes, seems like the 05 and under motors have not been perfected. anyone know if the yzf250f's have the usual four stroke mx bike problems with the valves and stuff? theres a kid that rides by us who has a kx125 and it seems to do pretty well in the pits and was alot cheaper than any 4 stroke

[motoman287]

A friend of mine had an 02 YZ250F, and he rode that thing all the time, both racing and practicing. It was stolen and found in the bottom of a pond a wk. later, so we flushed the motor completely, and it ran fine for like another year before he sold it. As long as you change oil regularly and adjust your valves, you shouldn 't have too many problems. I bought my 04 from the same friend, and I haven't had a problem yet...

[Tommy 17]

i'm goin 4 stroke! i've spent alot of times on bikes here latly and the 250fs are so much nicer to ride over the 125s... i think the power is so much easier to use and the bikes over all are just better...


i'm goin with a 05 or 06 crf250 this spring...

[Flynbryan19]

For what you guys are doing, get a 2-stroke. It'll be MUCH cheaper to buy and MUCH cheaper to maintain. If your not racing, you definately don't need a 4-stroke. 2-strokes are going for a STEAL right now.


Originally posted by ny300exrider
ill speak for chris since hes my friend and im bored in school. there are no mx/race tracks around here, so most of the riding he is going to be doing is mainly sandpits and open feilds. when i get my license we will most likely take some trips to tracks but it wont be every weekend. im still not convinced on the four stroke bikes, seems like the 05 and under motors have not been perfected. anyone know if the yzf250f's have the usual four stroke mx bike problems with the valves and stuff? theres a kid that rides by us who has a kx125 and it seems to do pretty well in the pits and was alot cheaper than any 4 stroke

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by Flynbryan19
For what you guys are doing, get a 2-stroke. It'll be MUCH cheaper to buy and MUCH cheaper to maintain. If your not racing, you definately don't need a 4-stroke. 2-strokes are going for a STEAL right now.

4 strokes are goin just as cheap!!! i know of atleast 5 crf, yzf, and kxf 250s all 2005s for sale right now in the 3,000 - 3,500$ range...


you can get the regualar 2001 - 2003 yz250fs for 2,000 - 3,000 no problem...


it is no more expensive to maintain a 4 stroke as it is a 2 stroke... if you ride the 2 smoke hard expect to change the piston, rings, etc once a month... on the 4 stroke expect it every 5 months or season and shim the valves every month...


the erra of 2 strokes is over... i know kx is droppin their 125 and i'm sure honda won't be far behind...

[PismoLocal]

250f, way more user friendly

[400exrules]

THUMPERS FOR LIFE!!!:devil:

[Flynbryan19]

Tommy, I've seen you on here for a while bro and I know your not some ignorant kid, so I'll just assume your misinformed......

Changing piston and rings once a month in a 2-stroke is a load of crap. lol. I replaced my piston and rings twice a year, and everything was still within spec and compression numbers were well within exceptable limits. I did it just as preventative maintnance. I could have easily gone longer, and I raced atleast every othere weekend and rode a minimum of 2 days during the week at 2-3hrs at a time. I won't get into a pissing match with ya, but I know from *personal experience* that it is not more expensive to maintain a two-stroke than a four-stroke. I've owned both.


Originally posted by Tommy 17
4 strokes are goin just as cheap!!! i know of atleast 5 crf, yzf, and kxf 250s all 2005s for sale right now in the 3,000 - 3,500$ range...


you can get the regualar 2001 - 2003 yz250fs for 2,000 - 3,000 no problem...


it is no more expensive to maintain a 4 stroke as it is a 2 stroke... if you ride the 2 smoke hard expect to change the piston, rings, etc once a month... on the 4 stroke expect it every 5 months or season and shim the valves every month...


the erra of 2 strokes is over... i know kx is droppin their 125 and i'm sure honda won't be far behind...

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by Flynbryan19
Tommy, I've seen you on here for a while bro and I know your not some ignorant kid, so I'll just assume your misinformed......

Changing piston and rings once a month in a 2-stroke is a load of crap. lol. I replaced my piston and rings twice a year, and everything was still within spec and compression numbers were well within exceptable limits. I did it just as preventative maintnance. I could have easily gone longer, and I raced atleast every othere weekend and rode a minimum of 2 days during the week at 2-3hrs at a time. I won't get into a pissing match with ya, but I know from *personal experience* that it is not more expensive to maintain a two-stroke than a four-stroke. I've owned both.

i ride with all 2 stroke 125cc bikes(from honda to kawi to suzuki)... i rode a cr80 for years... we had to rebuild the bikes once a month every now and then we could get away with a new set of rings... given we ride 5 - 6 days a week for atleast 2 hours at a time... but when we ride we ride...

i know form personal experience that if u ride those bikes hard expect to do alot of maintaince! they both are about equal...

[Flynbryan19]

Well, I don't know what ya'll are doing to your 125's, but I raced mx for 8yrs and never had to rebuild with that kind of regularity......

Fair enough, you have your opinion and I have mine.

[chris400]

yeah that helped me alot, im leaning toawrds the crf250r/x or a yz250f.

i dont think i will have much of a pr oblem maintaining the valves and stuff ebcasue i wont be on the rev limiter all the time.

p.s. - rmz250, i dont want your bike, its an 04, and i didn't hear good news about it from other posts. thanks.

[MXRACER86]

Originally posted by ny300exrider
ill speak for chris since hes my friend and im bored in school. there are no mx/race tracks around here, so most of the riding he is going to be doing is mainly sandpits and open feilds. when i get my license we will most likely take some trips to tracks but it wont be every weekend. im still not convinced on the four stroke bikes, seems like the 05 and under motors have not been perfected. anyone know if the yzf250f's have the usual four stroke mx bike problems with the valves and stuff? theres a kid that rides by us who has a kx125 and it seems to do pretty well in the pits and was alot cheaper than any 4 stroke

Theres a track by you! www.islandmotocross.com !:macho

Originally posted by chris400
yeah that helped me alot, im leaning toawrds the crf250r/x or a yz250f.

i dont think i will have much of a pr oblem maintaining the valves and stuff ebcasue i wont be on the rev limiter all the time.

p.s. - rmz250, i dont want your bike, its an 04, and i didn't hear good news about it from other posts. thanks. Theres nothing wrong with 04's if you maintain them and use Liquid Performance coolant.

[lilwitting]

cr 125...... thats what im selling my 300ex for

Originally posted by lilwitting
cr 125...... thats what im selling my 300ex for unless its an 06 I wouldn't. cr125's have been the worst 125's since 2001. the 06's are good, though.

[Honda400exrox]

Whats this about expensive 250f's? you can get a yz250f for 3200 canadian thats an 02 and in mint condition, you dont have to get a brand new bike

[Hon300ex]

Originally posted by MXFourTwoEight
unless its an 06 I wouldn't. cr125's have been the worst 125's since 2001. the 06's are good, though.


the 06's are the same as the 05's and i think 04's. i would get any 125 besides a cr

[lilwitting]

ok but what 125 should i get then

[mine]

05 kx 125 deffinetly ive got an 02 and itsa been really good to me
or maybe yamaha also good but id only go with 05 or 06

Kx125's are slow. An 05 KX with a pipe ans silencer is about the same as a stock yz, and its heavier. Kawasaki stopped making them for a reason.

[Hon300ex]

Originally posted by lilwitting
ok but what 125 should i get then

id get a yz. either that or an rm

[Titanium]

i'd get the 250f just because they are not as high of maintenance. Because 2 strokes u need to change the pistons out yearly depending on the engine.

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by Titanium
i'd get the 250f just because they are not as high of maintenance. Because 2 strokes u need to change the pistons out yearly depending on the engine.


your gonna change the 4 stroke piston once a year and adjust the valves constantly... change 2 times the oil... the 125 is the same deal!

basically expect to work on those bikes atleast once every week or 2 (depends how much you ride) to keep them in tip top running condition on a healthy motor!

[Titanium]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
your gonna change the 4 stroke piston once a year and adjust the valves constantly... change 2 times the oil... the 125 is the same deal!

basically expect to work on those bikes atleast once every week or 2 (depends how much you ride) to keep them in tip top running condition on a healthy motor!
your right i mite be wrong. im jus goin by a manual i read that said that 2 stroke pistons need there pistons changed 30 hours. but the manual was made in aroun 1994 or so.

[Tommy 17]

30 hours isn't that much... think about it... if u ride 4 hours at a time thats only 7 1/2 ride!:eek2:

[Titanium]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
30 hours isn't that much... think about it... if u ride 4 hours at a time thats only 7 1/2 ride!:eek2:
Ya i agree thats y i think ur right.

[3or4HONDA]

im doin the same comparison right now and cant decide...

ill be play riding, trails mostly and a few times to the dunes....which one would be better?

i can pick up a 125 locally for 900-1200 and a 250f for 2000-3000 so the 125 is def more in the budget if it will do what i want....

thanks
Adam

[jesseweaver]

haha 4 year old thread???

i'd go with a 250f without a doubt. but if your doing trails and duunes idk a 2 stroke might be better, your call.

[PhilMoore]

I have a 03 WR250F with over 3600 miles on the odo.

The only problem I have had with it is a little carb adjustment issue. It runs rough if you hold the throttle just a crack off of idle. It actually kind of runs like a two stroke with that funny sounding miss.

Other than that, it rips.

I have been changing the oil and filter every 500 miles since I bought it new. I use Honda 10w40 synthetic blend oil (the gold bottle)

If I had to do it over again, I would probably get the 450, but I am extremely satisfied with the 250.

[hondariderdylan]

wow
old thread anyone?:D

[3or4HONDA]

ya i know how to use the search button :D