Car

[QUADMASTER]

Which car would you prefer if you had no other choice but these.:rolleyes:

[WOracing]

civic just because there cheap and reliable...

[Butters]

i didn't know if you meant new or used, so i said accord, cause i had an older one that was a great car, but the new ones are really nice also.

[WOracing]

the new ones are like boats..i think their ugly as ****

[LTZ400rider]

240 cuz its rear wheel drive, it is right?

[mudflap]

I'd walk!

acuras are nice cars

[honda350r]

I say civic because of the gas mileage..

[quadrcr161]

i would probably pick the civic or integra. the accord is nice but you can get better gas milage out of the civic or teg. the accord also has a little bit of a differetn design and finding parts to fix can be harder ad more expensive. almost anything between the civic and integra will swap out.
th 240's are nice but they are usually higher then they are worth if they have been kept up, because its the new bandwagon car. the cheaper ones are usually trashed and ragged out and since it isnt as popular finding parts can be harder.

im not talking about modding or anything, but over all finding parts to keep it running and work on the civic line is easy to do. plus honda and acura are the same.

[Trevor]

I picked Nissan because I just don't like Hondas. They may be a good car but they can hardley lug themselves arround unless there reving at like 5 grand.

Havn't you herd the saying

My lug nuts require more torque than your Honda makes!

It's true

Civic is cheap and reliable as stated above. There are also a ton of aftermarket mods you can do to it.

[RaptorRacer45]

Originally posted by mudflap
I'd walk!


I 2nd that

[mac450]

240sx or teg. civcis and accords are jusy gay

[Scott-300ex]

Yeah they are rear wheel drive

Thats why i picked the 240, rear wheel drive, not a total import, nothing to make fun of, and it would HAVE to be a stick.

[big k]

buy a small pickup

[gun32boarder]

Go for the 240sx.The RWD driftarooo hype has died down some what around here. I found one in the paper a 240Sx SE for 5k with about 50k miles, so maybe you could get an un-raped one around you.

[xx3003xrdrxx]

id rather ride a huffy:o :uhoh:

[QUADMASTER]

The honda's aren't slow really.there faster than the Integra's.They have those VTEC motors in them.I can outrun V6 mustangs and camaro's all day with my honda no problem.I also have a camaro so i know what you mean when you say you, like muscle cars.But the way gas is,the honda is a much better choice right now.Plus the camaro's getting a 350 put in it right now.When i get it going i'll post up the time runs i make.The block is at the shop getting bored out right now so it will be a few days.

[gun32boarder]

Originally posted by QUADMASTER
The honda's aren't slow really.there faster than the Integra's.They have those VTEC motors in them.I can outrun V6 mustangs and camaro's all day with my honda no problem.I also have a camaro so i know what you mean when you say you, like muscle cars.But the way gas is,the honda is a much better choice right now.Plus the camaro's getting a 350 put in it right now.When i get it going i'll post up the time runs i make.The block is at the shop getting bored out right now so it will be a few days.

NO they are slow. They are pushing like a hole 89whp and like 70 pounds of torque. The only way you may beat them is if you go up against a auto and there is turns up ahead.

i would get a truck

[4oorider]

none, id rather walk then be caught dead in one of those:rolleyes:

[QUADMASTER]

Hey, i wasn't asking whether you would rather walk than take one of those.Come on.Why can't you just reply normally.It says which would you take if you had no choice.I'm just trying to get everyones opinion on it,not whether you would walk or ride a moped or whatever.So just please give the right answer on what you would take.

[quadrcr161]

Originally posted by gun32boarder
NO they are slow. They are pushing like a hole 89whp and like 70 pounds of torque. The only way you may beat them is if you go up against a auto and there is turns up ahead.

most of hondas motors make more HP then that, thats the numbers for the DX/hf. a 1.6 SOHC motor non-vtec is 108hp. the good thing about honda, is almost everything will interchange, which means you can drop in a motor with 160+ and still be as reliable as stock, and modd from there. and yes there are quite a few fast hondas but most are slow.


Originally posted by QUADMASTER
The honda's aren't slow really.there faster than the Integra's.They have those VTEC motors in them.I can outrun V6 mustangs and camaro's all day with my honda no problem.I also have a camaro so i know what you mean when you say you, like muscle cars.But the way gas is,the honda is a much better choice right now.Plus the camaro's getting a 350 put in it right now.When i get it going i'll post up the time runs i make.The block is at the shop getting bored out right now so it will be a few days.

wrong, a civic/accord is not faster then an integra and both can come with a vtec motor, its the same manufacture, honda is acura. i wouldnt brag about beating a v6 mustang or camaro. lol

[QUADMASTER]

I'm not bragging.Just making a point.But sorry if i came accross the wrong way.All acura's didn't come with a VTEC either.Most of them just had the 1.5.

[quadrcr161]

Originally posted by QUADMASTER
I'm not bragging.Just making a point.But sorry if i came accross the wrong way.All acura's didn't come with a VTEC either.Most of them just had the 1.5.

what acura had a 1.5? the 1st gen teg had a 1.6 DOHC like the ZC, then teh gsr went to a 1.7 vtec i think, could be wrong, after that the LS is a 1.8 non vtec and the gsr/type R is a 1.8 vtec.

[QUADMASTER]

Yes acura had a 1.5.I forgot what years they made them but i'll find out.

[duke416ex]

Originally posted by QUADMASTER
Yes acura had a 1.5.I forgot what years they made them but i'll find out.

I would say around 90, same years that Honda had them some cars.

[quadrcr161]

post the year, the integra used the dohc 1.6 motor that is some what related to the JDM ZC motor and the prelude 2.0 motor.

edit: thats in 86-90 or 91, then they stepped up to the 1.8 DOHC

[duke416ex]

I have a 91 civic with a 1.5 in it, I assume that some of the acuras around then had them too. Those were the really really ugly years of the integras.

[gun32boarder]

Originally posted by quadrcr161
most of hondas motors make more HP then that, thats the numbers for the DX/hf. a 1.6 SOHC motor non-vtec is 108hp. the good thing about honda, is almost everything will interchange, which means you can drop in a motor with 160+ and still be as reliable as stock, and modd from there. and yes there are quite a few fast hondas but most are slow.

It may produce 108hp but it isnt pushing a hole 108 hp to the ground. There is about a 20% loss in power in puting it to the ground.

[QUADMASTER]

Fornt what i found.the 92-99 integra's didn't have vtec motors in them.They had the 1.5 which is not vtec.the 1.6 is vtec in the 92-99 range

[quadrcr161]

Originally posted by gun32boarder
It may produce 108hp but it isnt pushing a hole 108 hp to the ground. There is about a 20% loss in power in puting it to the ground.

corect that flywheel HP, which i believe most mfg show, but most honda motors do make more then that, the hf and the STD, 1.5 ltr motor makes 86 hp at the flywheel.



Originally posted by QUADMASTER
Fornt what i found.the 92-99 integra's didn't have vtec motors in them.They had the 1.5 which is not vtec.the 1.6 is vtec in the 92-99 range

your saying the integra does not has a vtec option? show me where you found it. the teg didnt have a 1.5 any year, it has a 1.6 DOHC motor, then upped to a 1.8 the LS and SE version had the non-vtec 1.8 ltr motor but the type R and gsr has the 180hp vtec 1.8.

the civic starting in 92 has a SOHC vtec 1.6 in the ex, then in 01 it went to a 1.7ltr, the 99-00 SI was the 1st civic to have a vtech dohc 1.6 in teh states, but the del-sol had the motor in special orders models.

the integra motors, and the DOHC si 1.6 are classified with a B before the name, B16, B18 and so on, the civic SOHC motor and the early DOHC 1.6 are clasified as a D series. the accord and prelude run a H or F series motor and the new rsx, civic si are a KA series.

[QUADMASTER]

they never had a 1.6 DOHC motor from the factory.The fastest motor that honda put in their cars is a 1.6L vtec.

[quadrcr161]

Originally posted by QUADMASTER
they never had a 1.6 DOHC motor from the factory.The fastest motor that honda put in their cars is a 1.6L vtec.

so i dont have a DOHC zc 1.6 in my crx thats in the parking lot? and my friend doesnt have a 1.8 doch ls in his crx? your saying honda never offered a H22. 2.2 vtec 220 (?)hp motor in their preludes? and the all mighty (:D) track designed and tuned type R with the vtec 1.8 dosent exist with 200hp?

just to let you know there are different versions of the 1.6 vtec, the single over head cam at 130 hp, from the civic ex from 92-99 and the dual over head cam 1.6 160hp that came in special order del sols and the 99-00 civic si.

[quadrcr161]

Originally posted by QUADMASTER
they never had a 1.6 DOHC motor from the factory.The fastest motor that honda put in their cars is a 1.6L vtec.

then what is this you posted in the other thread? you know nothing about hondas do you?


Originally posted by QUADMASTER
http://www.hondashowoff.com/profile_images/full/5748_1128295496.jpg

i don;t think any car were talking about wants any of this.

[QUADMASTER]

that's not a 1.6.

[quadrcr161]

then what is it? a dual cam 1.5 lol it cant be a b18, you said honda never made anthing bigger then a 1.6

[crux131]

Honda makes the acura lineup, there is no acura except in the states....everyone else gets the honda version of the acura model.

Sort of like lexus and infinity, these neames were all created to get over the econobox stigma, so the manufacturers could sell their luxury models.

Acura integras never came with a 1.5 single overhead cam.

In fact the integra and rsx platforms are based off of the civic platforms, and usually follow a year of two after the new civics.

The civic and crx both came with a 1.5 liter in their dx, standard, and hf models.

the si models came with 1.6 liter motors ever since 85 or so....these were also fuel injected vs. the carb'd lesser models of the time(85-87).

The crx/civic si came with 1.6 ltr motor from 88-91, the lower models, while now fi, were still 1.5 ltr.

The 87 to 89 integras were 1.6 ltr dohc fuel injected in all models.
The 90-91 tegs were 1.8 ltr dohc non vtec in all models and trim.
The 92 and 93 models added the gsr trim, this was the first usdm integra with a vtec motor, these were also the 1rst years of obd-1 computers.

The 92-95 civics offered a single overhead cam vtec motor, with about 125 hp in the ex models.

The next version of the integra was in 94, it was based off of the 92-95 civic platform. These were available in the gs, rs, ls,and gsr trims....pretty identical, except the gsr has a 170 hp vtec moter, and the others have 145 hp non vtec motors.

The civics and integras kept these basic motor lineups until the switch to the new k series engines in the rsx, and the newer civic motors that are not interchangeable with the previouse generations.

The preludes have always come with a 2.0 or better dohc motor, the most common being the h series. The h-23 was a 2.3 liter non vtec, dohc eith about 160 hp.
It's meaner brother was the h-22 with around 195 hp out of it's dohc vtec motor.

By the way, the 240 is a decent car, but they are prone to overheating problems. The ka motors that come in them stock are simply a modified version of the hardbody truck motor.

If you want to drag race, none of these cars are a great option. If you want dependable fuel efficient transportation, all of them can be a good choice( just make sure the cooling systems are all good....nissan, that any of the hondas have had their timing belts and waterpumps replaced, and that the overall condition of the car is good ).

All the cars you have listed can be made to handle well, so weekend scca autocrossing could be an option easily( this is much more fun than going straight for a 1/4 mile anyway ).

[crux131]

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All of this pertains to us models only, every car you mentioned had different/better engine choices outside of the states. :(

[QUADMASTER]

yeah your right about that