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DJPHITZ
10-06-2005, 03:33 PM
HAS ANYONE HEARD HORSEPOWER SPECS ON THIS BIKE YET?
OR HAS ANYONE HEARD ANY RUMORS?

LTZ400ApK
10-06-2005, 04:37 PM
Rumor is between 51-53 RWHP

wilkin250r
10-06-2005, 05:46 PM
Anybody have a definite (not rumors) on the rev limit?

DJPHITZ
10-06-2005, 05:53 PM
DEFINATELY DECENT HP FOR A 450.WHAT DOES A YFZ HAVE
STOCK?

44oEX
10-06-2005, 06:27 PM
like 35-38

TWISTED
10-06-2005, 06:36 PM
I saw an 06 YFZ do 41 hp on a dyno at Rausch Creek.

MacMan27
10-06-2005, 09:08 PM
ive heard the new 06 hondas have close to 60 hp

10-06-2005, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by MacMan27
ive heard the new 06 hondas have close to 60 hp
******** says 50 with the HRC kit...

44oEX
10-07-2005, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by MacMan27
ive heard the new 06 hondas have close to 60 hp


I here they have like 80hp:eek:


they have 42

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183615

DJPHITZ
10-07-2005, 08:55 AM
I NOTICED ON SUZUKIS WEBSITE THE COMPRESSION RATIO
SHOWN IN HE SPECS BUX IS 11.7:1 BUT THEN IN THE PRINT BROCHURE AREA IT DESCRIBES THE RATIO AS 12.0:1 LIKE
THE HONDA.WHICH IS CORRECT?

Blue250X
10-07-2005, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by 44oEX
I here they have like 80hp:eek:


they have 42

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183615

80 is nothin, my 250x makes about 110 at the rear wheels on sundays!:devil:

nator187
10-07-2005, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by MacMan27
ive heard the new 06 hondas have close to 60 hp

That's on Trinity's dyno. LOL

Nator187

CdaleXtreme
10-08-2005, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by nator187
That's on Trinity's dyno. LOL

Nator187

:D :D :D :D

exrider360
10-12-2005, 04:29 PM
my boss says he cant get and extra 15 horse out of it with some little adjustments.

i told him hes full of crap but well find out.

ATC83
10-13-2005, 12:27 PM
Ricky Carmicheals factory RMZ450 is only making about 60 hp so there is no chance that it will make more than that. I suspect that is will only make between 40 to 45 hp stock and around 48 to 50 hp with a pipe and a filter.

CdaleXtreme
10-14-2005, 10:30 AM
I expect mid 40s corked up. And just over 50, with the baffle out, air box lid off, and re-calibrated.


People can really BS about alot of things. But have you ever head so much BS talk about HP numbers, and top speeds.

They have to be the most flat out B.S'ed about topics on the Internet today.

TrX's Putting out 60! :eek2:

My old blaster, had a 470 stroker kit, and I could pass Gixxer 1000s going down the highway! :rolleyes:

10-16-2005, 06:54 PM
My cousins neighbors boyfriends sister knows someone that has an uncle that heard from his boss that it puts out 73 hp n goes 95-100

atvridernc
10-20-2005, 05:06 PM
I heard that too, but itll only go that fast if you have the carbon fiber hood thats 3oz lighter.

nemesis
10-20-2005, 05:38 PM
It's not all about peak hp. people brag all day about how much peak whp they put down and don't even care about what they are making 3k rpm's below there normal shift point.

My question is how much tq. is this thing putting down because that is what rips you out of the turns.

Sick0
10-20-2005, 06:54 PM
I remember reading before the Z-400 came out is was going to have over HP stock. I bet the motor will be a strong motor but a 50hp motor off the bat.

BlasterEaten250
10-26-2005, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by DJPHITZ
I NOTICED ON SUZUKIS WEBSITE THE COMPRESSION RATIO
SHOWN IN HE SPECS BUX IS 11.7:1 BUT THEN IN THE PRINT BROCHURE AREA IT DESCRIBES THE RATIO AS 12.0:1 LIKE
THE HONDA.WHICH IS CORRECT? Just a little tip.;)

Trxracer53
10-28-2005, 09:02 PM
well first off it cant have 60 ponies. the pros are only running on 50-53. doug gusts 450 onlys putting out 51 at the rear wheels. likewise natalies 450r is pumpin out 54. so unless that suzuki is a 500 or bigger i guarntee it doesnt put out more than 43 hps. plus that efi is going to take away power plus add weight what was suzuki thinking. Yeah so what its easy to maintain and no jetting required i'll take a carb anyday

mxquadracer
10-29-2005, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Trxracer53
well first off it cant have 60 ponies. the pros are only running on 50-53. doug gusts 450 onlys putting out 51 at the rear wheels. likewise natalies 450r is pumpin out 54. so unless that suzuki is a 500 or bigger i guarntee it doesnt put out more than 43 hps. plus that efi is going to take away power plus add weight what was suzuki thinking. Yeah so what its easy to maintain and no jetting required i'll take a carb anyday

What kind of goofy bud are you smoking? How is EFI going to add weight? Listen up now and I'll tell you what it WILL do:

EFI will improve throttle response
EFI will give a more direct, and desired powerband
EFI - Suzuki sytem IS lighter than their carbs...that's right, the whole system
EFI will improve emissions (Tree-huggers have to love that one)
EFI will improve fuel economy
EFI will allow elevation changes to a wider degree without having to stop and tear your machine apart because it is running like garbage.
EFI will revolutionize the high performance industry
EFI has taken over the auto industry...go find a few cars that are fueled by carbs to this day that are still being manufactured. Have fun in a long search. There's a reason it has taken over in EVERY other industry except for ours...and that's because we're still playing catch-up. If you don't want to use EFI, fine...go back to the 50's and leave the more knowledgeable users on this site alone. Suzuki fan or not, quit complaining

You have no clue what kind of figures this machine will be putting out...55+ ponies very well could be wrong...but you are very far from the top of the list on people who know the real figure. In the two years Suzuki has had of time to develop their machine from the time that yamaha came out with theirs...a better flowing head design, better fuel source, and other combinations could easily equal a higher number than the even impressive 41hp stock yfz's or 40hp stock 450r's are known to put out. You simply DO NOT know...

EDIT: It wasn't meant to come off quite this harsh...but there are some things you need to realize before you go spurting false-truths off. Hope you can take some of the things I said to heart

Until this machine comes out...until this machine is tested, until this machine is sitting between your legs ready for a true test you will simply not know. Sit back, relax, wait for the bike to come out, ride it, then judge. Until then, quit running the mouth

hnnblehscnnble
10-29-2005, 01:47 PM
suzuki is a little behind.....cannondale had efi first:macho !

efi is a great thing.i will never go back to a carb.mxquadracer is exactly right.it is the best way to go.i hated jetting.now all i do is hook it up to my laptop.change the map and go.i dont knwo if the suzukis have this but dales have a diagnostic capabilities as well as bigger and better optimum prgrams that allow you to create you own maps.the only thing is you had to buy them after you bought the dale it didnt come with the software and cable.hopefully suzuki has it where u buy the quad you get the software.its a must with efi especially for the racers out there. the suzukis look promising.im not going to drop everything and run and buy one, i actually have no desire to own one.not going to dog them either.i like my dale so ill just stick with it.


kyle

450rkydude
10-31-2005, 02:18 PM
04-05 450r stock 37
04-05 450r hrc kit 42
04-05 yfz stock 38
2006 yfz stock 41
2006 450r stock 42
2006 450r hrc kit 48
these numbers are all rear wheel horsepower #'s and should be pretty close to what your looking for.hear is a guess about your .
2006 lt450 stock 42
2006 lt450 pipe,filter,no lid 48 just guessing here.

bwamos
11-03-2005, 09:55 AM
I'll bet they have more HP stock than the competition. Wouldn't be hard to do.

EFI helps, and then if they were to simply provide a mild race ported head and a good cam from the factory instead of corking the hell out of it, it could easily have 5-6 hp over the competition.

11-03-2005, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by 450rkydude
04-05 450r stock 37
04-05 450r hrc kit 42
04-05 yfz stock 38
2006 yfz stock 41
2006 450r stock 42
2006 450r hrc kit 48
these numbers are all rear wheel horsepower #'s and should be pretty close to what your looking for.hear is a guess about your .
2006 lt450 stock 42
2006 lt450 pipe,filter,no lid 48 just guessing here.

While reading your post I knew your signature would say trx450r, without even having to ****ing look at it. lmao

Most biased post in this useless thread^^^^^

syckNtwisted121
11-13-2005, 12:22 PM
I would love to know where all you guys are pulling these numbers from. The stock numbers i understand, the numbers with HRC kits and what not I understand....but how the hell do any of you know what the pro riders bikes are putting out on the dyno ? Its amazing how well you guys can pull information directly from your anus, I mean, doesnt it hurt ??

Ridin' Jesse
11-13-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by kraz
While reading your post I knew your signature would say trx450r, without even having to ****ing look at it. lmao

Most biased post in this useless thread^^^^^

lol how is that biased?

ESR250R
11-13-2005, 07:59 PM
efi is overrated. if it were that great, the bikes would already have it. stick with what works. i am anxious to see what this things like though, should be nice being race ready, plastics are ugly though.

4ABURN
11-14-2005, 06:15 AM
I have a arctic cat 700efi (1993) thats old !!!!!!(suzuki right.)
That thing has been great runs like a champ,even after I plained the heads 40 thou and put racing pipes on it (no jetting needed) that was great. GO EFI>

Mobile Dyno
11-14-2005, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by 450rkydude
04-05 450r stock 37
04-05 450r hrc kit 42
04-05 yfz stock 38
2006 yfz stock 41
2006 450r stock 42
2006 450r hrc kit 48
these numbers are all rear wheel horsepower #'s and should be pretty close to what your looking for.hear is a guess about your .
2006 lt450 stock 42
2006 lt450 pipe,filter,no lid 48 just guessing here.

Who told you those #'s. Some are close but some are way off!

04'-05' 450r: 34rwhp
with HRC no pipe: 36rwhp

04'-05' YFZ: 35-36rwhp

06' YFZ: 40-42rwhp

06'450r: 39rwhp with dynojet kit and baffle out 40rwhp
with HRC: 42-43rwhp

I will post graphs of the ones I have Stock

bwamos
11-14-2005, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by ESR250R
efi is overrated. if it were that great, the bikes would already have it. stick with what works. i am anxious to see what this things like though, should be nice being race ready, plastics are ugly though.

Hmm.. last time I checked almost all of the 100+ HP streetbikes run EFI. ;) ProStreet, Funny Cars, Drag Rails, F1 racers, NASCAR, Monster Trucks, Rally cars.. all run EFI not carbs. It can't be all that bad. ;)

EFI has been around for 35+ years.. I'd say it's been time tested and proven. It's not exactly new fangled technology. ATV's have just been running early 1970's technology for a long long time.

trx450Rrider
11-22-2005, 01:38 PM
there is no way you gain just one horse from a hrc kit. it has a cam, header and taking off the lid and other stuff. just taking off the lid is about one horse maybe two. mobile dyno your stock numbers seem about right but the hrc stuff has to be way off

kfxrider35
11-24-2005, 12:37 PM
got a question do you have a dyno trx450Rrider? probably not but as a matter of fact the hrc kit only does very little so really its pointless to buy. you would be better off to slap a good pipe and filter on and it would produce a little less hp. spend some more money and get a better kit than the hrc kit..its not as good as people think

Trxracer53
11-28-2005, 11:37 AM
I keep reading all the posts and the basic assumption is that all the horsepower that this new 450 is gaining over the yamaha and the honda is from efi. What did the cannondale have stock. It can be kinda compared even though it was gear driven. I don't think efi is going to give it a huge horsepower gain. I see it putting out 42-44 stock and 45-47 with a pipe and filter. I see efi as a convenience for the people who aren't mechanically inclined and can't jet their bike.

Jonas
11-28-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by trx450Rrider
there is no way you gain just one horse from a hrc kit. it has a cam, header and taking off the lid and other stuff. just taking off the lid is about one horse maybe two. mobile dyno your stock numbers seem about right but the hrc stuff has to be way off

Maybe you should read mobile dyno's post again. I'm no brainiac but it looks like he is indicating a 3-4 horse peak gain with the 06 HRC kit not 1.

Jonas
11-28-2005, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Mobile Dyno
Who told you those #'s. Some are close but some are way off!

04'-05' 450r: 34rwhp
with HRC no pipe: 36rwhp

04'-05' YFZ: 35-36rwhp

06' YFZ: 40-42rwhp

06'450r: 39rwhp with dynojet kit and baffle out 40rwhp
with HRC: 42-43rwhp

I will post graphs of the ones I have Stock

This is splitting hairs, but in the DASA section of this forum he has two dyno posts for the stock 06 450r. One indicates almost 41 peak and the other 42 horse peak. This may have been where he saw it.

Mobile, do you have any graphs available for posting of the 06 450r stock and with the HRC. This is one that I haven't seen posted yet. Or the 05 450r w/hrc and the 06 450r with HRC on the same graph?

Jonas
11-28-2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by 450rkydude
04-05 450r stock 37
04-05 450r hrc kit 42
04-05 yfz stock 38
2006 yfz stock 41
2006 450r stock 42
2006 450r hrc kit 48
these numbers are all rear wheel horsepower #'s and should be pretty close to what your looking for.hear is a guess about your .
2006 lt450 stock 42
2006 lt450 pipe,filter,no lid 48 just guessing here.

Just curious where you saw 48 hp on a dyno for the 06 450r w/hrc.

Jonas
11-28-2005, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by bwamos
Hmm.. last time I checked almost all of the 100+ HP streetbikes run EFI. ;) ProStreet, Funny Cars, Drag Rails, F1 racers, NASCAR, Monster Trucks, Rally cars.. all run EFI not carbs. It can't be all that bad. ;)

EFI has been around for 35+ years.. I'd say it's been time tested and proven. It's not exactly new fangled technology. ATV's have just been running early 1970's technology for a long long time.

Have you seen a dyno graph on a trx450r or crf450r? They seem to carburate pretty well. Just my opinion, but EFI on a 450cc offroad single cylinder bike is not necessary. More than anything, it is a FEATURE that you can post that your bike has. Quad guys especially like FEATURES whether they are worthwhile or not.

ESR250R
11-28-2005, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Jonas
Just curious where you saw 48 hp on a dyno for the 06 450r w/hrc.


if you watch the video about the 06 450 at ********, they say the 450 with a hrc kit will get 50 hp, im sure thats a little inflated but im sure 45-48 is obtainable from the kit.

Fred55
11-28-2005, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by ESR250R
if you watch the video about the 06 450 at ********, they say the 450 with a hrc kit will get 50 hp, im sure thats a little inflated but im sure 45-48 is obtainable from the kit.

So thats coming from somebody working for HONDA, hmmmm.... 48 is still too high, mobile dyno posts the real hard numbers and half you guys still say he's wrong....

ESR250R
11-28-2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Fred55
So thats coming from somebody working for HONDA, hmmmm.... 48 is still too high, mobile dyno posts the real hard numbers and half you guys still say he's wrong....


well ill believe the reps numbers until someone shows me some proof. puting some numbers on a website isnt proof. were are these dyno's charts at, were the hrc kit only gave a 3 hp increase over stock on the 06 450r.

bwamos
11-29-2005, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Jonas
Have you seen a dyno graph on a trx450r or crf450r? They seem to carburate pretty well. Just my opinion, but EFI on a 450cc offroad single cylinder bike is not necessary. More than anything, it is a FEATURE that you can post that your bike has. Quad guys especially like FEATURES whether they are worthwhile or not.

Never said they didn't "carburate" well. ;)

EFI is more than just a feature though. It is a system that can give you precice jetting for your exact conditions at that point in time. In a race that starts at 8am @ 75 deg, and finishes at 10:00am @ 90 deg it will automatically adjust itself throughout the race.

You also are not relying on vaccume to provide your fuel, so you get batter throttle response, and potentialy better atomization.

However, it is just a throttlebody (atv's finally made it into the out of the 1970's and into the 1980's), so it doesn't have quite the potential of a direct port injection.

The real power potential will come with direct port injection and pneumatic valves that can give you optimal power at all rpms.

450ex
12-01-2005, 12:34 AM
a new crf450 comes from the factory with over 50 ponies
why wouldn't the trx with the hrc get close to 50?

and if you think rc's 450 bike is only making mid 50's you are smoking crack

bwamos
12-01-2005, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by 450ex
a new crf450 comes from the factory with over 50 ponies
why wouldn't the trx with the hrc get close to 50?

and if you think rc's 450 bike is only making mid 50's you are smoking crack

Because the rear axle & wheels weigh ~15lbs more than the rear tire of the motorbike. It eats HP. Remember it's RWH (Rear Wheel HP) not crank.

ACEwrench
12-01-2005, 08:27 AM
dont most manufacturers post hp numbers for the c-shaft anyway...no different than auto makers you could have a ford w/ a powerstroke claiming 325hp reduce that by 20% that (generally) is rwhp.

there is a huge advantage in efi i you run desert racing in our case... we ran cannondales for 3 years and we estimated our mpg at 20-22 compare that with our yfzs at about 14-16...thats not a whole bunch but its the difference between making it to a pit and holding out the old stuck stub.... just my two cents...

remember these are OUR figures for the milage we get during racing situations....yfz 3.8 gallon tank ---- about 55miles
cannondale 3.2 gallon tank------about 65 miles

All_Out_06
12-02-2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by 450ex
a new crf450 comes from the factory with over 50 ponies
why wouldn't the trx with the hrc get close to 50?

and if you think rc's 450 bike is only making mid 50's you are smoking crack

Because the crf450 is a dirtbike...same motor different tranny....
The quad tranny is different, its beefed up therefore u lose horsepower...the quad has alot more to do to move it than a dirt bike does....thus losing horse power....You have to turn 2 tires that weigh alot more than that single tire.....:rolleyes: all you psotin HP numbers....if the '06 450R has mroe HP than the '06 YFZ.... how come the YFZ is faster????????? I WANT TO SEE TORQUE NUMBERS!!:)

450Racer
01-11-2006, 01:45 PM
i say, instead of 95% of everyone's "smart guesstimates" and claims that are actually made up, just wait until REAL dyno graphs come out. like someone else posted what about torque numbers? they're just as or more important. and who cares if one bike has more HP than another? it may not be usuable. what if the HP is not all usuable say if the powerband is too violent and not smooth? then you may have a bike with a lower HP number that is easier to ride/race than a bike with a more agressive powerband or vice versa. #'s in my opinion don't tell a whole lot. you need a real chart to see exactly where the power is and if it can be used to it's full potential. HP numbers are potential. don't assume that every bike is going to have identical power curves and have the power come on at exactly the same RPM. come on guys, think a little.

yamahaman300
01-25-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by Mobile Dyno
Who told you those #'s. Some are close but some are way off!

04'-05' 450r: 34rwhp
with HRC no pipe: 36rwhp

04'-05' YFZ: 35-36rwhp

06' YFZ: 40-42rwhp

06'450r: 39rwhp with dynojet kit and baffle out 40rwhp
with HRC: 42-43rwhp

I will post graphs of the ones I have Stock

he's right i seen real dyno charts that prove those #'s are lagit

370kingR
01-25-2006, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by yamahaman300
he's right i seen real dyno charts that prove those #'s are lagit

Mobile Dyno is absolutly legit. Everything he posts is the real deal, we can agree on that. This is not second hand knowledge, this is he himself testing and retesting these machines time and time again. Great guy to have your bike dyno tuned with.

Thanks for that info Matt.

We shall add a 2006 LTZ450 to that list of real world Dyno proven HP and TQ numbers.....with and without mods mind you :macho

krazken
01-31-2006, 09:31 AM
So now that the bikes are out, where are the dyno numbers??

Everyone keeps posting pics of them in their garage...I want action shots and dyno charts!!! :D

badvox
01-31-2006, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by wilkin250r
Anybody have a definite (not rumors) on the rev limit?

I dunno how definite but on a specific lt-r site someone from a shop ran it and posted 41 as their result

They may have posted the sheet I have to go check