700r vs 2006 450r

[gmack_again]

Has anyone been lucky enough to try them back to back or ride with or even against one. I am so freaking indecisive I make myself sick !!! I didn't get any sleep lastnight !! How lame is that !!!! I have basically had the dealer get me approved on both, plus the other dealer I let go, I think I have got 3 apps in at this point !! That can't luck that good on my TRW.

If I do the labor myself I can have a 2006 450r w/HCR for a few hundred dollars less than the 700r. Basically I will be using this bike in the woods and ice racing.

I stay awake thinking, ok which would be easier, faster, better in snow, quicker in a staight line, easier to start on the frozen lake, better handling, easiest to work on ... blah blah.... I am driving myself nuts and I am picking up one them this Saturday !!!! :ermm: :o :o :o

i heard a back to back comparison on a yfx and 700r and they said the 700r was faster in a drag race and more torque/comfortable feel where the YFZ has a rip off your arms feel

[gmack_again]

Ok, so while at lunch my local dealer calls to state that the offer I made him yesterday on 450r was today going to be acceptable.:D So now it is a 200 difference and I don't have to drive 3 hours to do it. :huh And it's BLACK, $200 buys a lot of oil and filters.

This just isn't getting any easier. The claimed whp of a HRC 450r is 50 whp, it would certainly seem enough to eat a stock Raptors young, doesn't it ?;) I have only seen piped, airbox removed and remapped 700r's claiming those numbers... Does anyone know how much louder the HRC makes a 450r ?

Originally posted by gmack_again

This just isn't getting any easier. The claimed whp of a HRC 450r is 50 whp, it would certainly seem enough to eat a stock Raptors young, doesn't it ?;) ive heard that claim and many are skeptical of it. what is your dealer charging you OTD for this 06' r?

[gmack_again]

We are now at $6700 otd for the ER , that includes %6 tax/title and reg, ($600 down from Mondays conversation and $300 form yesterdays) I am realy thinking about telling him to match the interest rate, throw in a ORV sticker, and I will pick it tommorow. That $500 less that the best local offer I got on the $700r. I am presuming he will go $300 on the HRC when they go out on the 11th'ish.


I am glad I pushed, however, I actually hate jerking these guys around though. I feel for them being on commision and all because I used to do retail for 10 years and it sucks. However I have to do what I can to save my family every last dollar so if I have to crack a few eggs, I will .....

[Punk'd]

I think the 700 will take the 450r in top end BUT acceleration on the 450 is insane, but who knows man.. Honda did do updates..

[gmack_again]

This is what I expect from a stock 06. Similar to the rumors about yfz vs 06 450r. 450r out of the hole, yfz runs it down. I could live with that !! If my HRC 06 450r takes the Raptor out of the whole, I'll just let off before he catches me and claim I smoked him !!!!:D JK !!! Sounds like fun though ....

[Yfz450dan]

450r should beet it:D

[gmack_again]

I read were Yamaha states the 700r, on flat ground, will now take the YFZ, so I wouldn't expect a stock 2006 450r to do any better, maybe take a 660r though ..... again until the topend, maybe ...

[chad502ex]

i was never impressed with any 686. HONDA all the way!

hehe.

[04EXdude]

Good luck on making that decision!..........:D
I'm glad I picked up my 700R right before Honda announced the 06 450ER otherwise I'd be in the same situation.

[skaydogg]

yeah i am in the same boat belive it or not ,i got approved for both but dont know witch one i should get!hahahlol

[chad502ex]

i'd hate to say it but that yami is a lot better now then before. Both would be great purchases. yea, why not buy both then if your pre-approved for both...

:D

[E.POWERSPORTS]

Where have you seen 50 REAR WHEEL HORSE POWER on an HRC 06 450, show me some proof?

[gmack_again]

The stock 06 is showing 42 hp at the wheels on Dyno sheets posted in the sponsor forum in DASA section. I think 8 hp out of the HRC kit sounds fairly reasonable. Looks like I am going with the 700r now so I guess I never realy know for myself.

On ******** the 450r review mentions 50hp out the HRC at least once, maybe twice.

[Bart]

Originally posted by E.POWERSPORTS
Where have you seen 50 REAR WHEEL HORSE POWER on an HRC 06 450, show me some proof?

Only a report from Honda. From a review:

http://www.********.com/machines/honda/hondaridetest450-06.htm

"Honda is claiming a whopping 30% increase in horsepower with the installation of their HRC power up kit, giving the machine a whopping 50 hp at the rear wheels!"

There are reports of around 42 rear wheel HP on bone stock 06 450R's.

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184384

[remmyTRX]

I just brought home an 06 450r and let me tell ya, it is insane... I just cannot imagine what an HRC kit will do to it (especially since Honda is claiming a 30% power gain)!!

[E.POWERSPORTS]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bart
Only a report from Honda. From a review:

http://www.********.com/machines/honda/hondaridetest450-06.htm

"Honda is claiming a whopping 30% increase in horsepower with the installation of their HRC power up kit, giving the machine a whopping 50 hp at the rear wheels!"

There are reports of around 42 rear wheel HP on bone stock 06 450R's.

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184384 [/QUOTE

Honda always quotes crank horsepower, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt. The 05 trx450r is quoted at 42.4 horse and the 06 is 42.9 horse on the info that comes with the unit to the dealer. Most people that are dyno experienced seem to get 35-38 out of the 05 rear wheel from what I have seen. On the dealer order for the 06 HRC kit it says "23% increase in horsepower and 10% increase in Torque. I hope this helps.

[cali450r]

Well i raced a raptor 700 with my 05 450r for a pretty long distance and i had it by a lot first through third gear but it would start catching up in the begining of fourth and start leaving me before fifth. Both are stock. It all depends what you want your quad for, racing around a track or for the trails.

[remmyTRX]

Interesting. Nice reply - thanks.

[sampleez]

i heard on the 700 a pipe and programmer makes a huge difference. here's a dyno of one. some pretty impressive #'s imo

http://www.yfztech.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3230

[Transplant2]

Originally posted by E.POWERSPORTS


Honda always quotes crank horsepower, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt. The 05 trx450r is quoted at 42.4 horse and the 06 is 42.9 horse on the info that comes with the unit to the dealer. Most people that are dyno experienced seem to get 35-38 out of the 05 rear wheel from what I have seen. On the dealer order for the 06 HRC kit it says "23% increase in horsepower and 10% increase in Torque. I hope this helps. All I have to say is ride one. It feels as strong as the 04 w/hrc kit. That is supposed to be 42 at the wheels? Add 23% hp and you get roughly 50hp at the wheels. I am not sure why eveyone is so skeptical. They should be happy the honda stepped up to the plate with some HP!

I will be racing an '04 w/hrc and an '06 yfz (stock) this weekend and I will be sure to post the results. Don't forget honda changed the internal gearing so that might have a lot to do with the feeling I get when riding it?

Oh...and watch the video about the HRC kit on the ******** link. The rep there mentioned 30%...that's where ******** got it from. Honda probly "documents" 23% to be on the safe side.

[thrasher_ex]

Originally posted by Transplant2
Don't forget honda changed the internal gearing so that might have a lot to do with the feeling I get when riding it?


it also probably has to do with the new motor, carb, and bigger intake.

[adrenaline]

cause it says like 23% or 30%
doesnt mean it'll make that they dont have to tell you what its gonna make i think they can even say up your HP 75%
doesnt matter it a selling point, and if it really is one of those numbers thats usualy with the best conditions..every motor is going to run different.

im not saying that it doesnt add 7hp or w/e but i dont think they have to be 100% honest on what the numbers are to sell it.
JMO

[ALLUWANT]

well i have an 05 450r with full exhaust and ive raced 3 of the new 700s and i have beat all 3 in drag racing. its like a car the car is set up for quarter mile. if i beat them in that race then i win. it dont matter if they beat me in a mile. but after the 300 feet i was bout 3bikes out on him and then we tried 400 feet and i still beat him 2 out of 3 now if we were racing a mile yea he would beat me but it is a 700 so i will pull for a longer distance. the 450r jsut accelerates so much quicker

[beerock]

I havent heard one person talk about the handling?

[86atc250r]

Two completely different machines.

It all depends on what you're interested in.

The 450R is more of a high strung racer with suspension and response for the aggressive rider where the 700 is more of a mellow trailrider with some power behind it for putting a smile on your face when you come across an open area.

I've ridden the Raptor 700 and while the handling feels a lot better than the old Raptor, it's still tall. The suspension feels plush. It feels fairly comfortable, and it is a lot more throttle responsive than the old Raptor. It likes to be short shifted and the power's falling off when the 450R is coming alive.

Some buddies grabbed a stock 05 450R with a Sparks pipe and raced this 700 (which has the GYTR pipe) -- the 450R did beat it in a drag on the dirt. Of course, results can vary depending on how much money you want to throw at either.

So -- you have to decide on what you're looking for, these machines are not really in the same class so, once you decide what your intended purpose is, the choice should be quite simple.

All in all, if you liked the old Raptor, you'll love the new one. If you hated the old Raptor, you will probably find this one is a big improvement, but it still won't be your type of machine.

[300ex-boy]

exactly what I was looking to hear ^^^^

[gmack_again]

86atc250r,


Excellent post. In the end the dealer turned out to not have the balck in stock, he had the red and it hadn't arrived from the wharehouse, so I had him do the paper work on the Blue Raptor. As soon as I saw the 450r in person I felt a little remorse. I start jumping up and down on the seat and rocking it back in forth. It was even cooler in person and a big change from my old 400ex. The dealer reminded me I was on a 05 because he could tell I was going to change my mind again !!!
Like I said the 06 was never delivered. In the end, since most of my riding is going to be in the winter, I think the EFI is for me. I was realy looking forward to working on Honda, installing the HRC kit and such. I also wanted to restore a little honor to big red by iceracing it this winter.

Realistically my realy fast days are behind me (I will be 39 next week !! ) and the cushy ride , lower maintenance, reverse and easy starting in the cold are just what the doctor ordered.

So the 2006 450r goes on the fantasy LOT0 winnings list with the Lotus Elise and Z06. :D Thanks for everyones input.

[cracer250]

lower maintenance

Not sure what you mean here. My hondas have been 2-times more reliable than the Yamaha's that I've owned.

It might be too early to tell how reliable the 700 efi is.

[gmack_again]

The lower maintenance comment was only based on a rumor of Honda recomennding more frequest oil changes (EVERY 2 0R 3 TANKS) and a possibly false assumption that a motor turning several thousand rpm's more and designed for racing was going to need a rebuild sooner than a less stressed motor.

I wasn't claiming Honda's are unrealable. In fact the reason I was reluctant to jump ship was due to my past experiences with Honda relability. :D