2006 Suzuki LT-R450 QuadRacer

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R450 QuadRacer Specifications (http://www.atvriders.com/atvnews/2006_suzuki_r450_quadracer_specs.html)



Suzuki created the high-performance sport quad market in 1985 with the QuadRacer LT250R. Since then, the ATV market and the state of Suzuki performance technology has changed greatly. And 20 years later, the QuadRacer is back. Having built a brand name around the manufacture of high-performance motorcycles and new award-winning ATVs, Suzuki is ready to deliver the finest high-performance sport ATV available.

And not a moment too soon. As racing becomes more and more expensive for ATV enthusiasts, Suzuki delivers race-ready hardware at a price that can’t be beat. The 2006 Suzuki LT-R450 QuadRacer is designed for race-ready performance – winning performance – with little or no modifications necessary.

The new quad features a 450cc four-stroke engine with Suzuki electronic fuel injection, and it’s based on the championship-winning RM-Z450 MX bike’s engine. It’s equipped with a track-holding wide stance and long-travel, competition-ready suspension that’s fully adjustable.

A lightweight and strong steel swingarm, center exhaust, titanium valves, new dry sump system, magnesium covers, aluminum front hubs, electric start, removable headlight, and liquid cooling – just a few of the strong features that will make the LT-R450 the class leader of high-performance sport quads

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[450robot]

o my **** **** **** ****ing **** ****!

[Ralph]

I dont think thats the real thing. His helmet looks photoshopped...:blah:

Originally posted by 450robot
o my **** **** **** ****ing **** ****!

easy killer:huh

[Martin Blair]

LAME

[Admin]

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[Punk'd]

:eek2:

[Fred55]

HOLY CRAP THATS WIDE!

[Admin]

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[Doober]

i like it a lot, except the heel guards:chinese:

[Admin]

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[OutlawEX]

WOW:eek2:

[Admin]

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[450robot]

i dont care what you people say, that thing looks bad ***!

[Ralph]

i cant stop grinning:)

[Admin]

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[fasterz]

:eek2: Damn.












Well one things for sure, lots of posts will be popping up in the for sale section.

I wonder how much $$$ this thing is?

[Admin]

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[Tommy 17]

congrats suzuki u designed a quad for the few MX racers out there... now to ride a trail u need to buy a-arms shocks axle etc...


i like the EFI but thats about it... from the looks it also looks like it doesn't have the bike style linkage... i hope they offer a narrower version:o

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[mat_man1]

2006 Suzuki LT-R450 QuadRacer Specifications
ENGINE
Engine Type 450cc,Single-cylinder, DOHC 4-valve, liquid-cooled
Bore x Stroke 95.5 X 62.8 mm
Compression Ratio 11.7:1
Carburetion Fuel injection system
Ignition N/A
Starting System Electric
Lubrication System Dry sump
Transmission 5-speed constant mesh
SUSPENSION
Front Dual A-arm independent suspension, with 10.0 inches travel, fully adjustable piggy-back reservoir
Rear Swingarm with single shock suspension, with 10.9 inches travel, fully adjustable piggy-back reservoir
BRAKES
Front Dual Hydraulic Disc, Twin Piston
Rear Hydraulic Disc, Twin Piston
TIRES
Front AT 20x10 Radial Dunlop KT381
Rear AT 18x10-8 Radial Dunlop KT385
DIMENSIONS
Front Track 41.2"
Rear Track 38.8"
Seat Height N/A
Wheel Base 50.6"
Ground Clearance N/A
Dry Weight 368 Lbs
Fuel Capacity N/A
GENERAL INFORMATION
Color Champion Yellow, White

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[Doober]

so them pictures that were posted here earlier werent photoshopped:macho

[Ralph]

tommy, i dont think a narrow quad will stop you from running down animials. Ive never had a problem on trails with my 50inch bike. This quad is reveloutionary. I love it.

[450robot]

once again i say that thing is a work of art, but like tommy said, weres the love for the xc racers lol

[JUSTINcredible]

Originally posted by 450robot
i dont care what you people say, that thing looks bad ***!

Originally posted by 450robot
i dont care what you people say, that thing looks bad ***!

Originally posted by yfzrider32
so them pictures that were posted here earlier werent photoshopped:macho
:rolleyes:

[Punk'd]

All hale the praying mantus! :blah:

When does all this info get loaded to there site?

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by Ralph
tommy, i dont think a narrow quad will stop you from running down animials. Ive never had a problem on trails with my 50inch bike. This quad is reveloutionary. I love it.



u go into a GNCC race with 50 inch wide quad u'll be coming out missin a wheel...


if i read the 1st post right it says track width... that means 50 inches i take it...

[450robot]

any other new quads, db's, or bikes?

[OutlawEX]

where has the love been for the MX Racers? Every bike it seemed to be more fitted for the trails than the tracks IMO. This bike is alsome

[Rootar]

man those are gonna look sick with cut front fenders, heel guards removed, and a set of nerfs



BIG props to SUZUK its about friggin time some one made a pretty much race ready quad, i mean since its already wide enuff all you would need is the shocks revalved for your weight and then do the motor up a lil and youve got a race bike

[Jersey450R]

50.6 inches wide?....isnt that pushing the envelope, lol. That thing probably eats honda and yamaha for breakfast.

[honduh440]

$7299

[400exrider707]

Any official word on HP #s ???

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by honduh440
$7299 :huh

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
50.6 inches wide?....isnt that pushing the envelope, lol. That thing probably eats honda and yamaha for breakfast.

It says 50.6 wheelbase, thats not width.

[Blizzard24]

Full specs listed yet? How wide is it?

[450robot]

Originally posted by Jersey450R
:huh

that is a very goodprice considering lt, efi, wide

look at the yfz, its 7g's and no lt, or efi, and not as wide

[trict_out]

7299 that thing better make me breakfast

[Martin Blair]

if 10inchs of travle is lt, adn the honda gets 9 stock, then i give up.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by 450robot
that is a very goodprice considering lt, efi, wide

look at the yfz, its 7g's and no lt, or efi, and not as wide
Yes, i was amazed. I thought for sure it was going to be more around the number 8.

Sorry, i thought it was width, not wheelbase.

[Fred55]

its 49" wide

[Airik79mx]

It's 48in wide.

[bad01300ex]

so 10 inches is long travel?? its only one inch over the yfz, is that really that big a diff?

[SRH]

very pleased....good job suzuki i bet we have a new #1 out there now

[400exrider707]

Originally posted by bad01300ex
so 10 inches is long travel?? its only one inch over the yfz, is that really that big a diff?

Technically long travel is more shock travel and the same wheel travel.

[mat_man1]

So where did you guys find the price info and the width. Suzuki.com still hasn't updated.

[Blizzard24]

Full spec list please

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by 400exrider707
Technically long travel is more shock travel and the same wheel travel.
I think long travel needs a new term like..."more valving" or"long shock". Haha.

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by yfzrider32
i like it a lot, except the heel guards:chinese:

Same here, but most people go aftermarket as some point anyhow when adding nerfs.. .. :p

Sounds like we got another awesome quad here!!! I cant WAIT to see one in person! :macho

[BlueZ440]

So I'm guessing that's Doug riding the Beast..:D

[mat_man1]

Wow. The rear end view on ********.com is sick. I guess they wanted to give the competition something worth looking at while they are back there. lol

[trict_out]

i think ill still go with the honda. Honda wouldnt have made the updates to let this thing kick its ***. Plus it has honda reliability.

[bad01300ex]

top of that motor looks familiar, alot like a yfz:rolleyes:

wow i thought it would be a little lighter than that:ermm:

[QuadJunkies]

that Yoshi is SICK!:macho

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by Shift_400EX
wow i thought it would be a little lighter than that:ermm:
Its all steel. grab bar, bumper, swinger. take all that off and then what :eek:
NOW WHAT QUAD IS BEST STOCK FOR STOCK.

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
that Yoshi is SICK!:macho

just what i was going to say

[Punk'd]

The swinger looks like a aftermarket one iv seen before.. the name isnt comeing to mind

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by Punk'd
The swinger looks like a aftermarket one iv seen before.. the name isnt comeing to mind
Kinda looks like a JRD.

[Chino]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
that Yoshi is SICK!:macho

It has an alien spacey type look going i think, definatly nothing like i've ever saw before, glad to see something new..

where did the pictures punkd posted?:confused:

Originally posted by Shift_400EX
where did the pictures punkd posted?:confused:

they are on the first page now, well some of them

[k&k_400ex_82]

I'm in awe but i guess welll have to see how it preforms most new things that come out have there flaws. suzuki came out with there 400 and the frame cracked. so well see. thats why i would never buy somthing untill i know its good. ..... well unless it has the name of honda.

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Shift_400EX
where did the pictures punkd posted?:confused:

Got deleted like everything else.. I was just trying to add to the info:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Punk'd
Got deleted like everything else.. I was just trying to add to the info:rolleyes:

why would it get deleted considering theres nothing to hide anymore?:confused:

Originally posted by Punk'd
Got deleted like everything else.. I was just trying to add to the info:rolleyes:

why, you were helping us out

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Shift_400EX
why would it get deleted considering theres nothing to hide anymore?:confused:

Because its what they love doing.

this is an sweet looking one, just what tell there is a full aftermarket picture of one. why would you delete this one

[Martin Blair]

Originally posted by rebelrider34
this is an sweet aftermarket one, why would you delete this one

not sweet aftermarket, stock with a bumch of stickers and a yohsi pipe

Originally posted by HN400exracer
not sweet aftermarket, stock with a bumch of stickers and a yohsi pipe

my bad, still looks awesome tho

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by rebelrider34
this is an sweet aftermarket one, why would you delete this one

Talk to the mods about that im clueless..

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6323/ltryoshpipe4ac.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1498/ltrgustreplica5mi.jpg

[k&k_400ex_82]

anyone know where the battery is yet its suppose to be real low

even without the headlight i still think its fugly. Its way too pointy in the front:ermm:

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by k&k_400ex_82
anyone know where the battery is yet its suppose to be real low

I think its in front:confused:

[Martin Blair]

Originally posted by rebelrider34
my bad, still looks awesome tho

lol, man those stickers add like 20 hp!!!

i doubt that gust will br racing that bike, thier gona run aftermarket componets.

who else thinks it looks like the batmoblie hahaha:D

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Shift_400EX
who else thinks it looks like the batmoblie hahaha:D

LOLL I think it looks like a praying mantus with the light:p

[YFZ450Ridr]

i like everything, except how wide it is. theres no way that thing will fit on any kind of a trail:( but other than that, i like it!

[Butters]

looks good. i like it better than the yfz and r. props to suzuki to wait and beat what is out.

[troutman561]

these pics and all those action pics are photo shopped, how could u all be so ignorant :rolleyes:

seriously tho i was a critic about the leaked pictures and i was wrong, oh well, i like the 7299 price tag, i was gona go with an 06 450r early next yr but if this gets good reviews i may change my mind

[drifterx]

Holy hell! If i had the $7300, i'd be making a trip to the Suzuki dealer! :eek2: Seriously, this think is bad @$$. It would probaly suck for XC, there's no doubt about that... But, this is the first quad actually set up for MX from the factory. That itself is pretty damn cool imo. I think it looks a lot better with the headlight though, and i'd have to ditch those huge f'ing heel guards! :o

[Shawn H]

Man for the wait I Dont think it was worth it..

With it being so wide there is no way it will run in the Stock Class for GNCC>

Looks like the rear grab bar is non-replaceable like the 03 Z400? Correct me if Im worng but thats stupid. I thought they learned this before?

[Honda]

LOLL I think it looks like a praying mantus with the light


LOL! Some of you guys on here would think Jessica Simpson, (sitting on your lap) was ugly.

The old TRX, the new TRX and the Suzuki are all bad *** looking machines.

What the hell do you want them to look like?

Best looking quads I have ever seen, especially with mods. I personally think the YFZ is ugly.

Go buy a Cannondale, or a Polaris. those are Hot.....LOL!

[balzout]

it says its 41.6 front track.rear at 38.if this is the width its not that wide the honda is 46 width .i think its a more compact bike so it makes the front look wider than it really is...

[balzout]

unless that means hub to hub.then you would have to add the offset of the wheel.....dont know but guys think about what zuk is doing for us and the sport.who cares if its ugly...you sound like a bunch of girls...ehhh its ugly ehhhh i dont like that color..lol humorous!this is just the beginning of many good things to come.imagine the competiveness this will bring out in the people who makes those wondeful lil toys we cant wait to throw are leg over again.im impressed.big freakin backflip for you zuk

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
u go into a GNCC race with 50 inch wide quad u'll be coming out missin a wheel...


if i read the 1st post right it says track width... that means 50 inches i take it...

lol tommy, RACE a GNCC, your not thinking of avg joe who is gonna ride on the farm. Most MX guys used to have to replace a-arms now the xc guys will.

[Atkins]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
congrats suzuki u designed a quad for the few MX racers out there... now to ride a trail u need to buy a-arms shocks axle etc...


i like the EFI but thats about it... from the looks it also looks like it doesn't have the bike style linkage... i hope they offer a narrower version:o
No one is telling you to buy it. Get a 450r and give the MX guys a quad for once.

[genxracer]

This thing looks awesome, only thing i wonder is....where does the rear number plate go now???? you have you have to have one at most races.

[popo]

Originally posted by HN400exracer
LAME

JELOUS

[Rico]

OMG another four wheeler......:eek2:



I forgot all about the thing untill today.. Wooop teee dooo

I can't wait to read about it in 6 months after it's been abused by the general public in riding areas. Then it will be worth lookin at....:devil: For now it's just another quad on the market..

[mine]

18 lbs heavier than the YFZ and only .2 inches wider

[bradley300]

Originally posted by Ralph
lol tommy, RACE a GNCC, your not thinking of avg joe who is gonna ride on the farm. Most MX guys used to have to replace a-arms now the xc guys will.

its not quite as simple as now the xc guys have to replace a-arms. stock for stock, you can get around a mx track on a 46 inch wide quad. you might not like it, but its totaly posible. but on a 50 inch quad, you Might be able to make it around a gncc track. but a local track would be near impossible. so add the price of new a-arms, axle, shocks to the intial price of the lt-r for a xc racer. at least a-arms, axle and shocks arent a priority for a mx racer to take a 46 inch quad to a mx race

[RIDER11X]

Originally posted by balzout
it says its 41.6 front track.rear at 38.if this is the width its not that wide the honda is 46 width .i think its a more compact bike so it makes the front look wider than it really is...

Thank you.........Wheelbase is not width.........:rolleyes:

I must say it looks impressive! I just hope they got the frame figured out so you don't need gusset kits like the z400.:cool:

[yfzrider93]

Looks like the rear grab bar is non-replaceable like the 03 Z400? Correct me if Im worng but thats stupid. I thought they learned this before?

From what I can tell the grab bar is replaceable. The subframe looks to be aluminum and I think that someone on here said that the grab bar is steel.

[FoxRacing81]

Sick! I love it.

[slamdak8782]

Well I think it is sweet. The plastics have to go. If it was mine it would probably get fullbore custom plastics. This is the bike we have waited for and it will finally replace cannondales as the most advanced of the time. It isn't that wide. Mx guys are still going t buy aftermarket arms just because they want something different. It is a badass bike and that is all I have to say.

[willow2679]

I think is pretty good looking and original that exaust from the rear look very good specially
dunlop MX tires (one big brand is getting into MX tires good for that too bridgestone is left too and maybe michelin)

I think that the trail riders can make it narrower puting different ofset wheel and nothing more or not? BTW they have to get newer ones because that ones are 8 inches only.
It`s cheaper going this way than to make a narrower quad with more width (A-arms and smaller rims )

[k&k_400ex_82]

It is 49 inch wide and gust and jerimiha jones are racing it with stock a arms shocks axel swingarm. Read it in quad magazine a few issues back.

[yfzrider93]

This may be a stupid question, but where do you put a rear number plate on a quad with a center mounted exhaust? If you hang it from the grab bar it will probably melt.

[Mxjunkie]

i think it looks kinda cool without the light/nerf bars instead of heel guards.

I'm laughing at the fools who said it was photoshopped ahah :devil:

[stilfx]

1) The batwings and heel gaurds are removable.
2) The rear numberplate goes on the back of your chest protector.
3) If you want an XC quad - go buy one. This badboy is made to dominate MX tracks.

I do however think this will be one bad***** duner / baja machine as well... sitting at roughly 50" Long/Wide.

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PS:
...the new chain adj is welcome!!!

And hey, is that the battery on the left side view - right in front of the engine?
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PPS: Welcome (back) to the club - all you new to be Suzuki owners - Its nearly time to jump ship once again. HA! http://forum.atvstore.com/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif

[400exrider33]

i want a 450 but i deffinetly wont get a yfz!! them things are okbut not that great my buddy has one it is nice wen it comes to powr but i hate the way it sits. the seat is level with the hadel bars and it is a real uncomfortable ride. i know its set for racing but at least make so the handle bars are higher then the seat. that way it feels like your handeling something. i also have a crappy feeling about them because i always told my friend that i hate the way it feels and then i rode it while we were out riding and i rolled the f***ing thing. but i didnt like it befor that happend. it does have nice suspension. My first choice is a 450r then a ltzr450. i always have been a honda man but suzuki has been coming around in the last couple years.:D

[k&k_400ex_82]

my decked out suzuki got it last this morning:ermm:

[Atkins]

Anyone know if Kawasaki will clone it or come out with their own 450?

[velocityatv]

It looks like an aluminum subframe :ermm: Can't wait to see how that holds up. The battery & air filter have got to be crammed in there, unless it's part of the seat foam :blah: The price still seams steep. Think of what that pipe is going to cost, when you bottom out and have a shock blow out, but I guess the normal mount can be the same. We'll see how they go next year, I'm not putting money down just yet. I would give props to Zuki for incorperating crotchrocket rear end looks to a quad. Center mount pipe, aluminum bracketry, Led brake light. I'll bet the aftermarket pipe guys can make some sweat sounding pipes. Note to self - If ever I buy a new Zuki 450 find new place to mount rear number plate, the chick in the scoring tower can't read it when its melted.:bandit:

[ofsoto]

What a bunch of whiners!!!!! :mad: This quad was purpose-built for MX! Not GNCC, not trail riding and specially not for fooling around...!!! You don't go racing MX on a Polaris Sportsman 800, do you? Why? Because it was NOT made for that! In this case, the LT-R450 wasn't made for anything else but MX. If you want a quad to do ANYTHING but racing mx, go get any of the quads that are already out there. All of you non-mx racers have had the YFZ450, TRX450, Z400, 400EX, etc for some time now to fill your riding needs. The rest of us had to spend about the same amount of money those quads cost to make it competitive to race motocross. Now Suzuki answered all of our prayers with a truly race ready mx quad! I can`t wait to test ride one and see if it`ll make me a "Yellow Rider" instead of a "Red Rider"! I`ve put on hold my plans of getting the new '06 TRX450... My hat off for Suzuki for making such a great quad!

[ofsoto]

Originally posted by troutman561
these pics and all those action pics are photo shopped, how could u all be so ignorant :rolleyes:

seriously tho i was a critic about the leaked pictures and i was wrong, oh well, i like the 7299 price tag, i was gona go with an 06 450r early next yr but if this gets good reviews i may change my mind

Photoshopped pics... Jajaja!!!! :D Are you serious!! Looks like you need glasses URGENTLY...!!! :D:D:D

[2000ex]

I agree, it is about time they answered the calls of the MX community.

Cannondale had the right idea 4 years ago, but it was a bit premature as people were not ready for that. Too bad they did not farm the motor out to someone and stick to the great chassis they put together...they might still be in business.

Hats off to Suzuki for the new Quadracer for building the 2nd EFI race quad ;)

[450Redrider5]

WOW I think that things ugly

[400grl]

Originally posted by velocityatv
Note to self - If ever I buy a new Zuki 450 find new place to mount rear number plate, the chick in the scoring tower can't read it when its melted.:bandit:

AHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!! Great point!!! For a PURE RACE QUAD, someone sure forgot about the rear number plate! :devil:

[Mxjunkie]

Its just like dirtbikes, you dont see a enduro rider riding a crf250r you would see them with the xc version of the bike, aka the crf250x which has headlights and e-start.

[MR.BIG]

Originally posted by ofsoto
... My hat off for Suzuki for making such a great quad! [/B]
They haven't even tested it yet so I could be a POS like some of the stuff suzuki has put out. They have gotten better over the years but all will be known very soon but I wouldn't sell the honda for it.

[Punk'd]

Excatly.. Everyones saying goodjob and stuff.. We dont even know how this things going to turn out lol..

[popo]

Originally posted by ofsoto
What a bunch of whiners!!!!! :mad: This quad was purpose-built for MX! Not GNCC, not trail riding and specially not for fooling around...!!! You don't go racing MX on a Polaris Sportsman 800, do you? Why? Because it was NOT made for that! In this case, the LT-R450 wasn't made for anything else but MX. If you want a quad to do ANYTHING but racing mx, go get any of the quads that are already out there. All of you non-mx racers have had the YFZ450, TRX450, Z400, 400EX, etc for some time now to fill your riding needs. The rest of us had to spend about the same amount of money those quads cost to make it competitive to race motocross. Now Suzuki answered all of our prayers with a truly race ready mx quad! I can`t wait to test ride one and see if it`ll make me a "Yellow Rider" instead of a "Red Rider"! I`ve put on hold my plans of getting the new '06 TRX450... My hat off for Suzuki for making such a great quad!

If that's so true why does Gust's LTR450 have Walsh stickers on it? Because there probally gonna switch out the a-arms,shocks etc, so there goes the concept of have an out of the box mx quad.

I'm willing to bet, if Suzuki came out with the same quad, offering a MX version and a XC version. The XC version would out sell it.

[Tommy 17]

i guess u guys missed my point...


10 outta every 500 of a cetain quad sold are used for MX only... suzuki basically just cut their sales in half... how many people buy 450rs, yfzs, etc just to trail ride and play around the house... or run a dual set up so they can do a lil bit of both... alot...


i imagine they'll release a narrower version soon... if not to be a weekend warrior around ur house ur gonna need to narrow it down...

[krazken]

Did anyone else notice in the pics of Doug Gust's quad that is posted, it has Walsh upper a-arms. Wasn't all the hype about this that the factory riders were going to ride stock arms and suspension?

And if it is really race ready, where are the nerfs, the kill switch, etc? Nice looking bike. Is it worth the money, who knows....time will tell. I just think its funny that all of the pre-release press junk is turning out to not be as true as we all had hoped.

[Mxjunkie]

they need to start making 250cc 4 stroke based quads just like the 450s! I cant afford a 450 but I would love a 250 four stroke powdered bike :cool:

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by popo
If that's so true why does Gust's LTR450 have Walsh stickers on it? Because there probally gonna switch out the a-arms,shocks etc, so there goes the concept of have an out of the box mx quad.

I'm willing to bet, if Suzuki came out with the same quad, offering a MX version and a XC version. The XC version would out sell it.

popo we finally agree on something...

is the world goin to end?:huh

[k&k_400ex_82]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by krazken
[B]Did anyone else notice in the pics of Doug Gust's quad that is posted, it has Walsh upper a-arms. Wasn't all the hype about this that the factory riders were going to ride stock arms and suspension?

Those are stock a arms the a arms that are on the suzuki come stock with walsh designed a arms.

[zeppelin]

Originally posted by Mxjunkie69
they need to start making 250cc 4 stroke based quads just like the 450s! I cant afford a 450 but I would love a 250 four stroke powdered bike :cool:

i think you would be dissopointed, the 450 quads power is amazingly simular to a 125 or 250f dirtbike, so i think a 250f motor in a quad would feel more like an 85

[krazken]

Is there something funky with the ground clearance numbers?

the honda and yamaha both have 4.44" of ground clearance, and the LTR450 has 9.44"??? 5" difference seems a little much unless suzuki is measuring from the front instead of the swingarm.

[krazken]

sorry...my quotes were wrong

honda = 4.4"
yamaha = 4.4"
suzuki = 9.44"


still the same problem though.

[k&k_400ex_82]

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[400exrider707]

Originally posted by krazken
sorry...my quotes were wrong

honda = 4.4"
yamaha = 4.4"
suzuki = 9.44"


still the same problem though.

They're measuring from different spots. The yammie and the honda are probably from the lowest point (rear brake disk/sprocket or the swingarm itself) whereas ZUK is probably measuring from the frame. Most racers will find 9.44 too high anyways.

[jakesteak26]

thought they were runnin the stock front end? whats up with the Walsh sticker?? Or is that the stock?

[k&k_400ex_82]

suzuki comes stock with a walsh front end. but theres no way walsh can make that many a arms so im guessing theyre mass producing the a arms with walsh design. At the company im guessing they make them by hand pretty much like the welds. but they cant do that if there mass pruducing it. so machines do that but to the walsh design.

[Atkins]

Originally posted by k&k_400ex_82
suzuki comes stock with a walsh front end. but theres no way walsh can make that many a arms so im guessing theyre mass producing the a arms with walsh design. At the company im guessing they make them by hand pretty much like the welds. but they cant do that if there mass pruducing it. so machines do that but to the walsh design.

Im pretty sure those are just on Gust's machine because hes sponsored by Walsh, but the a-arms are just stock....but you could be right.

[Ralph]

You know what, i dont care how bad suzuki shot themselves in the foot by making it an MX bike. I LOVE IT. lol they have plenty of money, i dont.

So i guess it sucks for you XC guys, better luck next year:cool:

[wvspeedfreak]

I like it.

[CannondaleRider]

A lot of you guys keep saying "what about the GNCC guys" "It's to wide for GNCC races" etc. etc........41.6 inches wide? Thats really narrow, Cannondale Blazes'/ATK 450VRs' are 46.4", and those are factory GNCC race bikes.

Going with that...everyboy also keeps saying this is a purebred, out of the box, MX race bike....again...41.6"? Cannondale Motos'/ATK 450MXs' are 50....factory MX bike.

ANOTHER thing, goes with the "race ready" thing everyones talking about. Thats no where close to race ready...at least no more race ready then a 450R or YFZ.

Come on... Blazes', Motos', 450MXs', and 450VRs' come with Number plates, nerf bars, a tether killswitch, beadlocks,.....among many other things.

I know I bring up Cannondales/ATKs a lot, but no body gives them the credit they deserve, they are trully race ready, and have been since late 01 early 02.

And don't give me any of this "reliability" bull***** we always get. Yeah, they had there problems...but Cannondales were SO far ahead of there time, and still are. Also, you can get a brand new ATK, which has absolutly NO problems. So if you want to give me this "how are they race ready when they break all the time" crap...look at the ATK's

[k&k_400ex_82]

this is straight form "QUAD" Magazine. look at the second paragraph

[k&k_400ex_82]

Originally posted by CannondaleRider
A lot of you guys keep saying "what about the GNCC guys" "It's to wide for GNCC races" etc. etc........41.6 inches wide? Thats really narrow, Cannondale Blazes'/ATK 450VRs' are 46.4", and those are factory GNCC race bikes.

Going with that...everyboy also keeps saying this is a purebred, out of the box, MX race bike....again...41.6"? Cannondale Motos'/ATK 450MXs' are 50....factory MX bike.

ANOTHER thing, goes with the "race ready" thing everyones talking about. Thats no where close to race ready...at least no more race ready then a 450R or YFZ.

Come on... Blazes', Motos', 450MXs', and 450VRs' come with Number plates, nerf bars, a tether killswitch, beadlocks,.....among many other things.

I know I bring up Cannondales/ATKs a lot, but no body gives them the credit they deserve, they are trully race ready, and have been since late 01 early 02.

And don't give me any of this "reliability" bull***** we always get. Yeah, they had there problems...but Cannondales were SO far ahead of there time, and still are. Also, you can get a brand new ATK, which has absolutly NO problems. So if you want to give me this "how are they race ready when they break all the time" crap...look at the ATK's QUOTE]Originally posted by CannondaleRider

the lt-r is 49" not 41.6" wide and they are much more race ready cause you will not have to buy a arms and shocks they are fully adjustable.

[Airik79mx]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i guess u guys missed my point...


10 outta every 500 of a cetain quad sold are used for MX only... suzuki basically just cut their sales in half... how many people buy 450rs, yfzs, etc just to trail ride and play around the house... or run a dual set up so they can do a lil bit of both... alot...


i imagine they'll release a narrower version soon... if not to be a weekend warrior around ur house ur gonna need to narrow it down...

MX is getting bigger every year and Suzuki is making an effort to bring the cost of racing MX down some what. So this is a big deal for the peolple getting into MX.

The biggest part of Suzuki sale's is made up of street bike's so people like you don't want to buy this quad thats not going to matter to them.

[Mxjunkie]

Originally posted by zeppelin
i think you would be dissopointed, the 450 quads power is amazingly simular to a 125 or 250f dirtbike, so i think a 250f motor in a quad would feel more like an 85

I dont know, if they had the gearing on the motor set perfect, I think it would deff be a nice contender, I remeber seeing a crf250 motor in a 450r here on the site.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by k&k_400ex_82
this is straight form "QUAD" Magazine. look at the second paragraph
Do you actually think they are going to race it with the shocks? I mean, no work done to them at all?? I have high doubts about that.

[k&k_400ex_82]

well ofcoarse there going to valve them to there wait and all that would be unheard of but its gonna be the same shock body springs and all. even when they aftermarket thay work on themlike crazy they rebuild them after everyrace.

[300extreme#8]

duh.. the shocks gust and jones r runnin now, arent even done by elka, haha, noleen takes care off all of it,they take the elka shock , break it down, modify , put back together and it is three times better then when they got it, the catch is, regular people what he is runnin , and pays a butt load of money for the same shock gust runs, but it's nothin like it and never will be, thats y pros get stuff free, Heck they can let a free set go to a pro, b/c they make a heck of alot more off u people who try to buy the same crap as the pros, but end up just thinking it's as good as theirs, hahahahahahah it's awesome, i laugh at people sayin i'ma buy this cuz he runs this, some poeple are so ignorant

[k&k_400ex_82]

didnt say that elka did the work.... anywho

the fact is those shocks are obviously extrmemly good because if there were no better than hondas or yamahas then those pros would be running stock to. but heavily modified. the fact is no pro has ran a stock shock in this day and age no matter on the capabilities of it when its worked on. so to me they must be extremely good. also gust would not run stock shocks if they were not better than his elakas when they are both worked on the stock suspension must be better. but hey its just my opinion i havnt ridden on eiether. Gust can get sponsors (suspension) but if he decides to run stock and is that confident in suzuki that has to mean somthing cause if someone can any little advantage on another racer they will do it. money is not really an option because of sponsors.

[LTZ400ApK]

Sold My Rm for a Z400,Sold It for my Vinson"4x4",Looks Like Im Selling It For the LT-R450 Now :D


Mad Props To Zuki for taking the time For the R&d
I dont Beleave we will be dissipointed

[300extreme#8]

Suzuki might not be giving them a choice, just like Kory Ellis with the stock swingarm , they have a contract with suzuki, they do what suzuki says, thats y all the companies r hookin up with suzuki, but they r racing, stock b/c it will make people buy the suzuki b/c it will be race ready, (if u understand) but they dont understand all the hidden work there

[k&k_400ex_82]

ya me and some family questioned that too and brought that up but suzuki wants to win championship too. but u may be right. i tought that to. but i guess we wont know untill we see it perform or test it ourselves. im excited for the new season to start.

[300extreme#8]

i just wonder if it will last

[k&k_400ex_82]

time shal tell

[SRH]

hhaha every sport quad out there comes off the showroom xc ready, think about this , what do all the xc bike riders ride..or the majority? mx bikes...the whole quad market needs to go in suzuki direction

[velocityatv]

I get a kick out of reading some of these posts. All that we have seen so far are some pics and what the "magazines" are saying about the Zuki race team.

First up to bat is the fact that D. Gust is not going to take a chance at loosing another national title by settling for third rate suspension and engine work. He could go privateer and be just as competetive, any given day. Note: Joe Byrd, Dunk, Little and others. ( Who do not have a major contract or backing by a major manufacturer ) sure they may get some spifs, but not the same as a full factory rider.

Second strike in this outing, is that not a single person or article from a mag ( that i have seen ) is shown having a quote from an official within the Zuki corp that states EXACTLY what they plan to do next season. I don't see them as wanting to roll out a stocker to the gates to get laughed at. They want a championship again!!! Not a consulation prize!!!! ( In business - He who SELLS the most toys wins )

Third strike is that why would Zuki take themselves out of GNCC contension? Yokely is not riding that bad this year. A new year also brings up new rider contracts. To make a stake in this sport you have to make a statment. Honda has one for MX " Natalie " & Yamaha has one for GNCC " Ballance " Zuki had a stake in the past last year with Gust and Yokely. They could have a good sucker punch up there sleaves for next year, just iching to get out. There not going to abandon all aspects of ATV for the better good of MX racing. GNCC is growing like a weeds, I see guy's set-ups in mags all the time stating that most riders add 1-1.5" width in there front ends. Guess what this has....?

This machine " I THINK" we be a good and wanted addition to the overall sport, not just MX. The corperate types know that to sell bikes or quads you have to win championships. Every body wants what the top guys have. I take my hat off to Suzuki for going out on a limb for our sport, and giving us a more versatile machine to base our individual racing efforts on weither it be MX, GNCC, TT, or BAJA. I think that with the right motivation and MODS, that this could be a major heavy wieght. Able to throw a jab or two into the eyes of Honda and Yamaha, and make this a more diverse experience for all of us that races.

ps........this is just my 2 cents...don't hate me because I'm beatiful....hate me because I'm right.

[Jersey450R]

Originally posted by MR.BIG
They haven't even tested it yet so I could be a POS like some of the stuff suzuki has put out. They have gotten better over the years but all will be known very soon but I wouldn't sell the honda for it.
Havent tested it yet?!? From what i hear from a top level production racer, there have been 6 prototypes in the past 2 years. This quad has been tested over and over again, debugged, and the flaws are goin to minimal if any. Remember the days in 2004 when we first heard about rumors of a suzuki450...they were already testing it buddy. ;)

[willow2679]

It would be a dream if the normal rider could race his quad by only doing valving and maybe some shock piston change or coating on their stock shock only like the MX bikes do

[FoxRacing81]

Originally posted by k&k_400ex_82
the fact is no pro has ran a stock shock in this day and age no matter on the capabilities of it when its worked on.

I do believe Kory Ellis ran a PEP revalved stock YFZ rear shock for the 2004 season. And he did pretty well.

I think it's badass. An Average C Class MX Race can buy this quad, Buy nerfs, killswitch, and number plates/backgrounds, and be set to race, and be very competitive. You could do that with a YFZ or 450r, but now the Suzuki will be even more competitive because it is that much better.

Why is everyone saying "You'll never be able to race XC with that."
It is not meant to be an XC quad at all! If you wanna race XC and run Suzuki, buy a z400.

[coorsinmyc-bak]

as wide as the cross country tracks are now,you could drive a dozer around them.but anyways, i think thats the ugliest thing ive ever seen.

[jcv400ex]

Well if this thing isn't geared towards MX racing.....then when was the last time you seen 18" rear tires and 20" front tires on a XC quad?! And NO they're not 49 inches wide either. This is not a trail riding/woods racing machine, this was built for motocross....it's VERY obvious.....

I think it was dumb to only offer the quad this wide with 18" rear tires. That eliminates 75% of the riders out there. Not everyone races motocross, the majority are trailriders. I crossed this quad off my list of "which quad to buy" real quick. I'm not spending an extra $1,000 to make it trail worthy. And the extra $3,000 that I'd be spending is not worth the EFI and the T shaped seat...

Also, once you add in the needed parts to race the quad MX style, your waaay over 10K, and can build any TRX or YFZ for the same money...... so it all comes down to motor. We'll see what kind of motor she has.

JMO

[Cdaleracer]

Originally posted by yfzrider93
This may be a stupid question, but where do you put a rear number plate on a quad with a center mounted exhaust? If you hang it from the grab bar it will probably melt.

That is probably the first GOOD question in this thread. Maybe you can hang two of them like mud flaps from the side fenders. You know, to help keep the roost down in case you are in front.


Posted by: TheJaspMan

[Cindi]

Give me a break. XC or MX. Either way in the past you had to do work to either setup on the quads. More for the MX than XC to make it race ready correct. So now there is a quad that the MX racers can to do less and the XC has do a little more. That is just like saying you can't go race a Z-400 in MX it is a trail machine. Right!! Almost every quad out there is set up more for XC and trail riding. Finally someone built a quad set up for MX. This is what most of us have been asking for. A Factory built race ready quad. Sure there is a few things that may need to be changed or modified but all in all the average joe can go out and race this quad without having to put $4,000.00 more dollars into it to make it competitve. What the heck are all you crying about.

And the pictures are a 100% stock quad. Is there a problem with the A-arms being like Walsh? NO. There is a solution to the number plate and it's great that it is wide. MX racers have to spend a ton of money to wided the quad now they wont.

Doug said he would race it stock, Just put a pipe and tires on it. That says a lot for a stock bike.

[erac4019]

Anyone here ever see a GNCC Utility Unlimited rider fly through the woods on a V-Force, excuse me, KFX700? Those things are around 47-48" wide and they dont have too much of a problem. And so what if it comes w/ 18/20 tires, I dont know of too many people that run the stock tires in the GNCC.

[Cdaleracer]

Originally posted by stilfx
1) The batwings and heel gaurds are removable.
2) The rear numberplate goes on the back of your chest protector.
3) If you want an XC quad - go buy one. This badboy is made to dominate MX tracks.

I do however think this will be one bad***** duner / baja machine as well... sitting at roughly 50" Long/Wide.

- - -
PS:
...the new chain adj is welcome!!!

And hey, is that the battery on the left side view - right in front of the engine?
- - -

PPS: Welcome (back) to the club - all you new to be Suzuki owners - Its nearly time to jump ship once again. HA! http://forum.atvstore.com/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif


What rulebook are you reading? Check ATVA Rules, Chapter 11, Section B Subsection 8. It states "must have vertical number plate mounted on front bumper and a rear grab rail number plate".

And I'll be willing to bet this quad get's modified just as fast as every other machine out there. There are too many 'wanna be pro's' who use bling as their 'go fast', ego building fuel. And the funniest part about that is that there are WAY more recreational XC and racing XC riders than actual TRUE MX racers. And that includes the vast majority of people on this site.

Posted by: TheJaspMan

[Cdaleracer]

Originally posted by Cindi
Give me a break. XC or MX. Either way in the past you had to do work to either setup on the quads. More for the MX than XC to make it race ready correct. So now there is a quad that the MX racers can to do less and the XC has do a little more. That is just like saying you can't go race a Z-400 in MX it is a trail machine. Right!! Almost every quad out there is set up more for XC and trail riding. Finally someone built a quad set up for MX. This is what most of us have been asking for. A Factory built race ready quad. Sure there is a few things that may need to be changed or modified but all in all the average joe can go out and race this quad without having to put $4,000.00 more dollars into it to make it competitve. What the heck are all you crying about.

And the pictures are a 100% stock quad. Is there a problem with the A-arms being like Walsh? NO. There is a solution to the number plate and it's great that it is wide. MX racers have to spend a ton of money to wided the quad now they wont.

Doug said he would race it stock, Just put a pipe and tires on it. That says a lot for a stock bike.

THANK YOU!!!!

[herb]

why cant the xc guys run some offset wheels to narrow it up a bit. seems like the cheapest way to me. and as far as gust running stock shocks and a arms, i will believe it when i see it.

[Greg Z]

how much does it weigh?

[Cdaleracer]

Originally posted by herb
why cant the xc guys run some offset wheels to narrow it up a bit. seems like the cheapest way to me. and as far as gust running stock shocks and a arms, i will believe it when i see it.

Exactly!!


Posted by: TheJaspMan

[LTZ400ApK]

368lbs is it's weight,IMO i dont think the width is goin to affect sales

[FoxRacing81]

Originally posted by Cdaleracer
What rulebook are you reading? Check ATVA Rules, Chapter 11, Section B Subsection 8. It states "must have vertical number plate mounted on front bumper and a rear grab rail number plate".

And I'll be willing to bet this quad get's modified just as fast as every other machine out there. There are too many 'wanna be pro's' who use bling as their 'go fast', ego building fuel. And the funniest part about that is that there are WAY more recreational XC and racing XC riders than actual TRUE MX racers. And that includes the vast majority of people on this site.

Posted by: TheJaspMan


They are gonna mod it whenever Cindi just said Doug would race it stock?


I think it was dumb to only offer the quad this wide with 18" rear tires. That eliminates 75% of the riders out there. Not everyone races motocross, the majority are trailriders. I crossed this quad off my list of "which quad to buy" real quick. I'm not spending an extra $1,000 to make it trail worthy. And the extra $3,000 that I'd be spending is not worth the EFI and the T shaped seat...

This quad wasn't made for XC or Trail Riding, like you just stated. Why would you consider spending over $1,000 on it to make it trail worthy when about 99% of quads offered are for trail riding? People make no sense. This isn't an XC or Trail quad at all. You don't wanna buy it because you ride trails, fine, every other quad out is made for trails pretty much. You have plenty of options.

-Justin

[Cindi]

:p Ok here it is. The new LTR450 is geared more for MX. Perfect, there isn't a quad out there more (MX)race ready than this new LTR450. (Don't forget I have talked to the ones riding the bike and yes it has been rode by both riders) Suzuki isn't stupid as some of you have said. They have a bike for both MX and XC ,Trail riding and nobody seems to see this yet.

LTR450 - MX
LTZ400 - XC & Trail Riding

They have them both. They didn't try to make one quad fit all catagories. They built two different quads to fit both catagories. (Seems kinda smart to me) They will still have the Z400 which improves every year. Either way you look as it there will always be something that you will change on any quad.

Maybe they have a braket that holds the number plate below the exhaust
;)

[Dupontster]

It very nice. But I think some of us are getting our hopes up just alittle. But I must say it looks damn good from them pictures!

[protraxrptr17]

I think it's exactly what we have been wishing for. It seems like Suzuki has listened to the racers and gave us what we want. You will hear no complaints from me.

I feel like Suzuki would have enough foresight in their design team to think about how to put a rear number on a race bike. GMFB:rolleyes:

Cindi, Me and my wife had the pleasure of watching the pro's 2nd moto at Loretta's with Doug's dad. Very nice fellow.

[generalg]

GOOD JOB SUZUKI! Can't wait to see it in person.....

[YFZ450Ridr]

is there any word on when you can buy them. i dont think ive read anything about that?

[Jimford]

I think the specs sound great but I think it is ugly. Too pointy everywhere. It should be fast as hell though!

[JOEX]

For those who may have not noticed yet atvriders.com has a section just for the LTR 450:)

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=85

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by FoxRacing81
They are gonna mod it whenever Cindi just said Doug would race it stock?



This quad wasn't made for XC or Trail Riding, like you just stated. Why would you consider spending over $1,000 on it to make it trail worthy when about 99% of quads offered are for trail riding? People make no sense. This isn't an XC or Trail quad at all. You don't wanna buy it because you ride trails, fine, every other quad out is made for trails pretty much. You have plenty of options.

-Justin

You're kidding right? Let's revisit this thread in one year. I'll bet MOST of these new rides are modded out by then. People add aftermarket parts even when they do not need them. It has nothing to do with needing them.

And this is simply 'a quad'. It may have been designed 'around' MX, but it can be rode on the trails very easily. In fact you would need to change less than if it was desgined 'around' XC and you wanted to run MX.

And I think you confuse me with a one sided person. I am a lot more involved with MX racing than I am XC. I just happen to ride XC.

[FoxRacing81]

Originally posted by TheJaspMan
You're kidding right? Let's revisit this thread in one year. I'll bet MOST of these new rides are modded out by then. People add aftermarket parts even when they do not need them. It has nothing to do with needing them.

And this is simply 'a quad'. It may have been designed 'around' MX, but it can be rode on the trails very easily. In fact you would need to change less than if it was desgined 'around' XC and you wanted to run MX.

And I think you confuse me with a one sided person. I am a lot more involved with MX racing than I am XC. I just happen to ride XC.


When I say stock, I mean stock as far as suspension and motor wise. I don't consider handlebars, bumpers, etc. as mods.

On my last quote, it wasn't quoting you.
But, of course you can ride it on trails. Any quad can be ridden on trails. And if this quad wasn't designed for solely MX, why is Doug racing it with only aftermarket handlebars, tires, nerfs, killswitch, a few other things?

You run XC. Great. This quad isn't meant for XC Racers. It is made for MX Racing, and I think it will kick *** for years to come. Won't be suprised if we see a few more Pro's switch to the Zukis.

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by FoxRacing81
When I say stock, I mean stock as far as suspension and motor wise. I don't consider handlebars, bumpers, etc. as mods.

On my last quote, it wasn't quoting you.
But, of course you can ride it on trails. Any quad can be ridden on trails. And if this quad wasn't designed for solely MX, why is Doug racing it with only aftermarket handlebars, tires, nerfs, killswitch, a few other things?

You run XC. Great. This quad isn't meant for XC Racers. It is made for MX Racing, and I think it will kick *** for years to come. Won't be suprised if we see a few more Pro's switch to the Zukis.

I think the first year will tell the real story on the aftermarket side (meaning shocks, arms and other goodies).

But I do agree that I would like to see a good mix of pros running some Zukis.

[slamdak8782]

Do You seriously believe people will be that mad about the a arms. They were supposedly designed by Walsh racecraft and If you really think that these bikes will stay stock for longer than four months. You are off of your rocker, Oh and go to a cross country race there will be plenty of guys who put aftermarket arms on thier quads. And everyone is acting like they are so wide Ballance rides plus 1 inch arms. So do a lot of cross country riders. So yeah they are a little wide but a trx450r or the YFZ with plus 1 arms is somewhere around 48 inches versus 49 for the suzuki. Try complaining about how it looks or something else. Havent heard to many complaints about the fuel injection. I think some people would complain if you gave them 10 dollars

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by slamdak8782
Do You seriously believe people will be that mad about the a arms. They were supposedly designed by Walsh racecraft and If you really think that these bikes will stay stock for longer than four months. You are off of your rocker, Oh and go to a cross country race there will be plenty of guys who put aftermarket arms on thier quads. And everyone is acting like they are so wide Ballance rides plus 1 inch arms. So do a lot of cross country riders. So yeah they are a little wide but a trx450r or the YFZ with plus 1 arms is somewhere around 48 inches versus 49 for the suzuki. Try complaining about how it looks or something else. Havent heard to many complaints about the fuel injection. I think some people would complain if you gave them 10 dollars

LMAO!!!

Hey! Where's my $10?

[Tommy 17]

Originally posted by slamdak8782
Do You seriously believe people will be that mad about the a arms. They were supposedly designed by Walsh racecraft and If you really think that these bikes will stay stock for longer than four months. You are off of your rocker, Oh and go to a cross country race there will be plenty of guys who put aftermarket arms on thier quads. And everyone is acting like they are so wide Ballance rides plus 1 inch arms. So do a lot of cross country riders. So yeah they are a little wide but a trx450r or the YFZ with plus 1 arms is somewhere around 48 inches versus 49 for the suzuki. Try complaining about how it looks or something else. Havent heard to many complaints about the fuel injection. I think some people would complain if you gave them 10 dollars

shows how much u know lmfao

balance and them all run a 4+1 rim that takes the width back to stock... some of them only run a +1/2 a-arm and they are actually narrower then stock;)

[coorsinmyc-bak]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cindi
[B]Give me a break. XC or MX. Either way in the past you had to do work to either setup on the quads. More for the MX than XC to make it race ready correct. So now there is a quad that the MX racers can to do less and the XC has do a little more. That is just like saying you can't go race a Z-400 in MX it is a trail machine. Right!! Almost every quad out there is set up more for XC and trail riding. Finally someone built a quad set up for MX. This is what most of us have been asking for. A Factory built race ready quad. Sure there is a few things that may need to be changed or modified but all in all the average joe can go out and race this quad without having to put $4,000.00 more dollars into it to make it competitve. What the heck are all you crying about.








heres my 2 cents.
ive never owned a xc quad that you could just ride.i dont know how everybody keeps saying that you can just go buy a new quad and cross country it without a-arms,swingarms,wheels,
tires,bars,etc. you all get the drift.the new z is ugly,but im sure it has a good power plant,but if your racing, thats the only thing thats left alone for the most part.i know everyones gonna say well i do motor mods to mine,but you would be missing the point.your not gonna take a brand new one down to the cases and stroke it.i hope it flys,both mx & xc are gonna have to do their own mods. like they have been forever.

[QuadJunkies]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Cindi
[B]Give me a break. XC or MX. Either way in the past you had to do work to either setup on the quads. More for the MX than XC to make it race ready correct. So now there is a quad that the MX racers can to do less and the XC has do a little more. That is just like saying you can't go race a Z-400 in MX it is a trail machine. Right!! Almost every quad out there is set up more for XC and trail riding. Finally someone built a quad set up for MX. This is what most of us have been asking for. A Factory built race ready quad. Sure there is a few things that may need to be changed or modified but all in all the average joe can go out and race this quad without having to put $4,000.00 more dollars into it to make it competitve. What the heck are all you crying about.









Coudnt have said it any better Myself!!! :)

[jcv400ex]

I'm not crying, but I was waiting to see the new Suzuki 450, along with MANY others....before buying a 450.


The fall of Cannondale and the total Moto sales speaks for itself why a MX oriented factory machine, doesn't work.

A fuel injected, 450 motored, quad would have been a great machine if it wasn't in a 49 inches wide chassis.....


I have my doubts that this machine will sell that great, and I don't think it will be too long before the Z400 is dropped, and a 450Z comes out.

[QuadJunkies]

I think its not only good for the MX racer in mind, but also the duner,entry casual rider who wants stability ,either way whether its MX or XC, someones gonna be unhappy... For us personally its not a quad of interest to purchase ,at least not yet Ill wait another year and read all the reviews first, so far its sounding great!

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by jcv400ex
I'm not crying, but I was waiting to see the new Suzuki 450, along with MANY others....before buying a 450.


The fall of Cannondale and the total Moto sales speaks for itself why a MX oriented factory machine, doesn't work.

A fuel injected, 450 motored, quad would have been a great machine if it wasn't in a 49 inches wide chassis.....


I have my doubts that this machine will sell that great, and I don't think it will be too long before the Z400 is dropped, and a 450Z comes out.


Well I'm not sure I agree with that. The Cannondale came out at a time when it wasn't 'cool' to be an expensive quad. These days a $7000+ machine is becoming common. Had Cannondale handled their affairs a little diffrent and stuck out the market I would imagine they would be pumping out some bad a** and advanced machines. But alas, that never happened.

This machine (to me) is worth the money. I do not think it is 100% full GNC season ready as it sits. But for the price tag you sure could get a nice start going. And as long as no 'first year bugs' start popping out I'll bet they sell the s**t out of them.

[k&k_400ex_82]

Originally posted by Cindi

And the pictures are a 100% stock quad. Is there a problem with the A-arms being like Walsh? NO. There is a solution to the number plate and it's great that it is wide. MX racers have to spend a ton of money to wided the quad now they wont.

Doug said he would race it stock, Just put a pipe and tires on it. That says a lot for a stock bike.

someone thats agreeing with me. about what doug said.

[Quad18star]

Sure I leave for a few days , and Suzuki releases the new machine . LOL .

It's great to see them step up and set the standards higher in the market . I guess we'll see how it performs later in the year . . Anyone know when it will be hitting the showroom floors ??

[popo]

I can say one thing....Ever since the leaked or real info came out about the LTR....it sure has stirred up some heated debates.

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by popo
I can say one thing....Ever since the leaked or real info came out about the LTR....it sure has stirred up some heated debates.

Especially the discussion about where the number plate is going to go . :p But Cindi solved that one .... I was thinking you'd have to set up the number plate like the Pont Du Vaux style . :D

[stilfx]

Amazing how all those motorcycle motocrossers get away without a rear grab bar number plate... noone seems to miss carmichael's jersey # as he's ripping past the scoring tower. :D

And thats been going on for 30+ some years now... It must have something to do w/ those extra 2 wheels.... bad voodoo. HA!

[popo]

Originally posted by Quad18star
Especially the discussion about where the number plate is going to go . :p But Cindi solved that one .... I was thinking you'd have to set up the number plate like the Pont Du Vaux style . :D

That's what the back of the mud flaps are for.

[RaptorRacer45]

Theres the solution 2 the number plate placment problem...Nice Improvision:D

[genxracer]

good try...but that would be covered with dirt in 2 turns. I was on the phone with Turner....he said thay have a couple ideas for the # plate, not sure yet though.

[k&k_400ex_82]

im guessing there might be somthing that comes off the bumper a little lower that the muffler.

[BLAZE1]

I think this quad is awesome!

The fact that people are bit$hin about heelguards and rear # plates shows that there isn't much that could have been improved on.

heel guards=who runs stock heel guards anyway?

rear # plate=I'm sure it would take about 10 minutes and a 10" long piece of aluminum to make a bracket to offset it to one side or hold it below the exhaust.

[jcv400ex]

If the number plate is below the exhaust, wouldn't it crush under extreme suspension load? I rememeber people banging their exhaust off of the brake calipers, seems a lower hanging number plate would be prone to getting broke. Between that and people bumping and grinding out on the track. But I'm just talking out my arse, haven't seen the thing yet!

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by popo
That's what the back of the mud flaps are for.

Now Popo, you know that would never pass tech at a GNC race!!!

And besides, the mud flaps are where the trucker ladies go.

[stilfx]

Originally posted by jcv400ex
If the number plate is below the exhaust, wouldn't it crush under extreme suspension load?

You are quadless arn't you... #plates clear the swingarm.

Like so:
http://www.eastcoastatv.com/BuildaQuad/ECABike/9.jpg

So leaving a small hole for the exhaust and lowering the plate a few inches shouldn't be an issue at all.

My question is whats the point - why can we simply use jerseys and chest protectors instead? (Modify the Rules!) Is it such a hard concept to grasp - I mean you dont see rear number plates on MX Bikes do you???

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by stilfx
You are quadless arn't you... #plates clear the swingarm.

Like so:
http://www.eastcoastatv.com/BuildaQuad/ECABike/9.jpg

So leaving a small hole for the exhaust and lowering the plate a few inches shouldn't be an issue at all.

My question is whats the point - why can we simply use jerseys and chest protectors instead? (Modify the Rules!) Is it such a hard concept to grasp - I mean you dont see rear number plates on MX Bikes do you???


Suuuuuure! Let's just change the rules for every new quad on the market! Maybe bump the CC limit up so that the Predator can be used in the pro class. And maybe allow 52" stock machines to run too.

[jcv400ex]

Originally posted by stilfx
You are quadless arn't you... #plates clear the swingarm.

Like so:
http://www.eastcoastatv.com/BuildaQuad/ECABike/9.jpg

So leaving a small hole for the exhaust and lowering the plate a few inches shouldn't be an issue at all.

My question is whats the point - why can we simply use jerseys and chest protectors instead? (Modify the Rules!) Is it such a hard concept to grasp - I mean you dont see rear number plates on MX Bikes do you???


Okay spouting off at the mouth is fun! :rolleyes: When you drop a numberplate down enough to clear the exhaust, it will have the potential to hit the terrain on a hard landing. I've seen fenders rub tires, so there is enough travel.

[jwick07]

What the hell just mount the number plate so it is above the grab bar!!! WHO CARES GOOD GREIF Its just a stupid number plate.

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by jwick07
What the hell just mount the number plate so it is above the grab bar!!! WHO CARES GOOD GREIF Its just a stupid number plate.


That would look cool! Kind alike a sissy bar on a street bike!

And the number plate is not just for looks. In the GNC series it is required. And accoring to the rules must go in a specific spot. I have good resaon to believe this issue is already resolved. It's just funny to hear people argue about it.

[jcv400ex]

You know me Jaspman, I'm trying my best to not argue about it! :D

[jwick07]

Yes yes I to know the rules, but rules can be changed. I recall when 450R came out and the Pro Production class became the PRO class, the rules were changed to allow that quad to compete in the series, before the limit was 440 and that is why the yammie was only 439cc. so rules can be changed to allow for a possibe number plate move or to allow the jersey or chest protector number to be accepted.


OR THE BEST SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM

:devil: NOBODY BUY ONE OR RACE ONE:devil:

just kiddn' to each his own and I ride and bleed RED

[stilfx]

Originally posted by jcv400ex
Okay spouting off at the mouth is fun! :rolleyes: When you drop a numberplate down enough to clear the exhaust, it will have the potential to hit the terrain on a hard landing. I've seen fenders rub tires, so there is enough travel.

I know its a tough concept to grasp... But there is more than enough room before you bottom out. There is only 10" of travel. Even this plate shown can be shortened up.

http://forum.atvstore.com/uploads/post-1-1128614715.jpg

..ps: who's arguing? I think a good debate about the pro's and con's of an atva rule is healthy and should be debated - Thats the only way we can know for sure what is needed and proper for our sport. Is that so bad?

[TheJeSter1340]

Wow, there is a lot of bit$hing going on. So it is 49" wide stock, I garuntee it has 3+2 offset wheels, that means when you put 4+1 rims on it it will bring it down to 47." Oh wait, putting 4+1 offset beadlocks on an XC quad will be out fo the norm! It will also reduce bump steer! Making it a + for even the Xc guys if they ever pull their head out of their @$$! How many Xc guys race with stock tires? So quit *****ing they have 18" tires!

Who cares if the frame breaks and needs to be gusseted, it will be just like your precious f*cking Honda POS'!!!! HAHAHAHA Now that is FUNNY!

So lets review - EFI quad (hopefully tuneable), stock with LT (which I will argue after this), XC guys have to put different rims/tires on it to race, which they are going to do anyway. for once MX guys don't have to put $2500 into a front end to get a good riding set up, just tires. Both Racers are going to have to put number plates, nerfs and akill switch on the bikes.

LT shocks- Whoever said they should be called longshock is def. correct. It is not that they give you more travel, but the longer shock body really just adjusts the pressure on the shock, making the compression curve smoother so it is softer on top but more resistant to bottoming.
check here - http://www.atvishock.com/

Now continue to fight amongst yourselfs.

[TheJaspMan]

Originally posted by stilfx
I know its a tough concept to grasp... But there is more than enough room before you bottom out. There is only 10" of travel. Even this plate shown can be shortened up.

http://forum.atvstore.com/uploads/post-1-1128614715.jpg

..ps: who's arguing? I think a good debate about the pro's and con's of an atva rule is healthy and should be debated - Thats the only way we can know for sure what is needed and proper for our sport. Is that so bad?


NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!! Nice PS work!

[Rico]

Didn't Doug gust say the suspension handled better than his current Elka setup..:confused:


Where's my BS flag when I need it????

[Pappy]

Originally posted by Rico
Didn't Doug gust say the suspension handled better than his current Elka setup..:confused:


Where's my BS flag when I need it????

i have mine we can use!

[Atkins]

Originally posted by TheJeSter1340
Who cares if the frame breaks and needs to be gusseted, it will be just like your precious f*cking Honda POS'!!!! HAHAHAHA Now that is FUNNY!


Tim Farr has no gussets on his stock frames because he doesnt find it necessary. Either that, or maybe he just has a new frame every race, which would be believeable. But the rest of your post is right on.:macho

[TheJeSter1340]

Originally posted by Atkins
Tim Farr has no gussets on his stock frames because he doesnt find it necessary. Either that, or maybe he just has a new frame every race, which would be believeable. But the rest of your post is right on.:macho
HOw often does Timm Farr come up short on a jump? I think we can be pretty sure that the frame gets stressed more when a racer comes up short or overshoots a jump. I have only seen pro's on TV, an dthen they looked very smooth. When you land right it is a smooth landing and wouldn't stress the frame like a flat landing, or even casing a jump. I wonder if Tim's practice biek has a stock frame w/o gusets?

[jwick07]

At all the races I have been two in the last two years I have yet to see a 450R with gussets, but nearly every z400 does, I thought I read some where that the frame was developed with the help of Tim Farr so that it would be strong enough not to need gussets

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by TheJeSter1340
Who cares if the frame breaks and needs to be gusseted, it will be just like your precious f*cking Honda POS'!!!! HAHAHAHA Now that is FUNNY!

Oh my god man.. You are so cool lets be 12 and call other brands peices of chit..

Your the kind of person that gets threads locked.

I see ban in your future;)

PS: May I ask what you ride?

[wilkin250r]

One of the key factors in the Yammi power is high revs, and that is due largely to it's short stroke. The newest YFZ has a 95mm bore, and a short 63.4mm stroke.

The new Suzuki has and slightly larger bore and even shorter stroke at 95.5mm x 62.8mm.

Do we have official information on a rev limit for this beast?

[Luecker]

Originally posted by wilkin250r
One of the key factors in the Yammi power is high revs, and that is due largely to it's short stroke. The newest YFZ has a 95mm bore, and a short 63.4mm stroke.

The new Suzuki has and slightly larger bore and even shorter stroke at 95.5mm x 62.8mm.

Do we have official information on a rev limit for this beast?

Actually I believe it is the extra intake valve that gives the YFZ the extra hit.

The EFI on the Zuk will definately help.


I am an XC guy and I am definately not complaining about the width. I will just change the a-arms and axle. I like the fact that I can put the stock stuff back on to go ice riding. Stock tires look like they will be awesome for studding.

I am not sure if a 4-1 offset wheel will clear the ball joints. It is awefully close with the stock wheels.

It's already got an anti-vibe stem so I just need to get a different mount for the GPR and it is ready to go.


My main reason to switch over from the Z is that it should have enough power with the stock exhaust. I can ride it on the trails and not piss off my neighbors.

[TheJeSter1340]

Originally posted by Punk'd
Oh my god man.. You are so cool lets be 12 and call other brands peices of chit..

Your the kind of person that gets threads locked.

I see ban in your future;)

PS: May I ask what you ride?

Get real man, if a ban is in my future so be it! And if you think I am acting 12, look around. Wait how much other brand bashing goes on here?
Look at my post history and tell me how many times I have bashed another machine. I am aware that you cannot sense sarcasm, but the statement was sarcastic to make a point. And if this thread was gonna be locked I did nothing that hasn't already been done previously in the thread, just put it all together.

My ride is in my signature, well was. Now it is a Moto instead of a Cannibal though. anytime you want to take it for a spin Come on down to NC, you are more than welcome ot take it for a spin around the track, and if it can hold up to a pro rider riding it, I am sure you won't hurt it.

[WORCSYFZ199]

Originally posted by Tommy 17
i guess u guys missed my point...


10 outta every 500 of a cetain quad sold are used for MX only... suzuki basically just cut their sales in half... how many people buy 450rs, yfzs, etc just to trail ride and play around the house... or run a dual set up so they can do a lil bit of both... alot...


i imagine they'll release a narrower version soon... if not to be a weekend warrior around ur house ur gonna need to narrow it down...

Notice it's a brand new stock bike? they don't have Walsh Arms or anything for it yet, they just slapped on sponsor stickers and graphics, and honeslty do you think that they would run them stock against the other Pro motocrossers who run Built motors and dialed aftermarket suspension, true out of the box it looks the best so far, but when a 7500 quad is up against a 20000+ quad which is more competitive?

[clutt225]

My ex had houser +2 arms and rpm +4 axle and I still rode trails.
just used a biger tire. I realize that there are place that you just will not put a 50" quad but come on people we have been waiting for a production mxer for years. there are still plenty of good trail and xc quads out and I am sure there will be more. So give the mxer's there one redily avalible wide quad.


I can't wait to get my hands on mine. Acording to my sponser he said we'are on the waiting list. Just don't no when zuk will start shiping to the public.

[slamdak8782]

Well to the guy who slammed me and said that cross country riders dont extend their A-arms Johnny Gallagher's yfz 450; FRONT END

A-arms (width in.): Lonestar Long-travel (+1)

Spindles: Stock

Tie-rods: Lonestar

Front shocks (travel, in.): 10.5

Steering stem (in.): Lonestar +1

Steering stabilizer: GPR version 2.0
courtesy of ATV Sport Magazine
FRONT END

A-arms (width in.): ARS-FX +1

Spindles: Stock

Tie-rods: ARS-FX

Front shocks (travel, in.): Custom Axis (12.3)

Steering stem: ARS-FX +1

Steering stabilizer: W.E.R.
Width of Bill ballances A-arms yfz450
Courtesy of ATV sport
So know who is showing how much they know now
This would make the width on the yfz450 48.1 inches. This makes the ltr450 .45 inch larger than what most racers use as a setup for gncc racing. I bet that .45 of an inch on each side would darn near lodge it in between every tree on every gncc course. I just wish people would look at the facts before they decide that another member has something to say. But that is usually not the case, so they go out and say the other person is stupid. :grr: :(

[Warnerade]

i put a deposit on one on wednesday..im guaranteed to have the first one in my area...cant wait:o

[Luecker]

Originally posted by slamdak8782
Well to the guy who slammed me and said that cross country riders dont extend their A-arms Johnny Gallagher's yfz 450; FRONT END

A-arms (width in.): Lonestar Long-travel (+1)

Spindles: Stock

Tie-rods: Lonestar

Front shocks (travel, in.): 10.5

Steering stem (in.): Lonestar +1

Steering stabilizer: GPR version 2.0
courtesy of ATV Sport Magazine
FRONT END

A-arms (width in.): ARS-FX +1

Spindles: Stock

Tie-rods: ARS-FX

Front shocks (travel, in.): Custom Axis (12.3)

Steering stem: ARS-FX +1

Steering stabilizer: W.E.R.
Width of Bill ballances A-arms yfz450
Courtesy of ATV sport
So know who is showing how much they know now
This would make the width on the yfz450 48.1 inches. This makes the ltr450 .45 inch larger than what most racers use as a setup for gncc racing. I bet that .45 of an inch on each side would darn near lodge it in between every tree on every gncc course. I just wish people would look at the facts before they decide that another member has something to say. But that is usually not the case, so they go out and say the other person is stupid. :grr: :(

Those guys also race with 4-1 offset rims which puts them back at 46".

[stilfx]

Originally posted by NacsRacer027
i put a deposit on one on wednesday..im guaranteed to have the first one in my area...cant wait:o

LOL... you've got a few months for that lay-away plan there. HA. Glen Hanson said it "won't be available at dealerships until Feb. - late Jan. at the earliest".

Need proof? Watch it come out of his mouth:
http://********.com/machines/suzuki/************vid.htm#

[Honda TRX250ex]

the fliping ugly but probly has lots of power

[ofsoto]

For all the "it's too wide for GNCC" and "it's too ugly" whiners: get a life because Suzuki didn't came up with the LT-R450 for everyone to like it and SPECIALLY for it to be used for GNCC racing or trail riding!! :blah: If it doesn't fit your needs and likes, just look somewhere else! There's plenty of options out there. But if you still want one to do what it wasn't supposed to do, customize it like all of us had to make it competitive!

i dont really know why the xc guys are complaining the polaris outlaw 500 came out pretty much specifically for them:huh

[Mxjunkie]

welp I guess my dad saw this thread hes getting one lol.. told me I have to sell my shee first though :ermm: :scary:

[Warnerade]

Originally posted by stilfx
LOL... you've got a few months for that lay-away plan there. HA. Glen Hanson said it "won't be available at dealerships until Feb. - late Jan. at the earliest".

Need proof? Watch it come out of his mouth:
http://********.com/machines/suzuki/************vid.htm# ya no kidden..thats why i put the :o after i said i cant wait...its only a deposit, its not a down payment or anything..it is fully refundable if i chance my mind. I put it on so early so i would have the first one...my dad did that with the rincon, but someone put it on 3 days before him...so i went soon as possible to get it done, just so i can mess with my dad about it...

Originally posted by Mxjunkie69
welp I guess my dad saw this thread hes getting one lol.. told me I have to sell my shee first though :ermm: :scary:


if you sell it, give me a pm.

I get a 06 450 so i can have the fastest bike around n suzuki comes out with this ugly thing to smoke me..

Looks like im getting a pipe for christmas lol

[Airik79mx]

Originally posted by Honda MaNiAc 01
I get a 06 450 so i can have the fastest bike around n suzuki comes out with this ugly thing to smoke me..

Looks like im getting a pipe for christmas lol

You'll still get smoked on the MX track.

[Punk'd]

Originally posted by Airik79mx
You'll still get smoked on the MX track.

A 450 is a 450..

Who races stock anyway?

All three bikes are going to be close.

[Billyu40]

Frankly Im not all that impressed with this release. As much hype that has been made about it I expected alot more. The shocks look generic, honestly. Polaris atleast uses Fox, a named brand. As far as the motor being that much better, How? A 450cc can only make so much power, period. The specs lead me to believe that the power will feel just like the Yamaha. From my understand the horsepower rating are almost same. The exception will be the EFI. I guess because its new to quads it supposed to be great but I had a 1989 chevy berretta with fuel injection and it was a piece of crap let alone a performance anything. I perfectly jetted carb will deliver the fuel as well as any efi system. Stock for stock Im sure the Ltr450 will beat a 450r and be right with a yfz. But if we have all learned anything from the arrival of all of the 450s is that Honda is the most upgradeable because they build their machines for durability. Which means they are very conservative but have a higher potential motor wise.

As far as Gust racing one stock, I hope he does then I know honda will win another title. There is no way a pro will race a stock bike. I read an article in QUAD magazine that said Tim Farrs bike was the same you can buy at your dealership. It then went on to say Honda added a different tranny for him baldwin reworked the whole motor and PEP did his shocks. But he didnt have to gusset the frame which was they only thing left stock. So maybe they will race with a stock frame.

Finally arguing about the number plate :ermm: ? Are we all that bored? I would like to think the engineers at Suzuki making ths most advanced quad EVER arent reading this post going(something in japanesse to the effect of) chit those Americans arguing on that website out did us again. we did forget the number plate on the first quad MADE for MX. That would be like forgeting the bathroom in the a new house.

Just my .02

[rancid]

the power should feel more like a updated 450 cannondale or an atk with its 4 valves and fuel injection and it weighs like 15 pounds more than the honda or yfz. but im sure its going to be a badass qaud and will have plenty to compete with anything out there but i dont really think its going to be alot better. i dont know about the suzuki a race ready qaud, the cannondale moto was the only raceready quad yet. i dont think it would help suzuki if they made it an mx only qaud. theres the xc guy and it seems to be alot of them and sand guys. i think they should just keep the price of the machine down so we can afford to set them up the way we want instead of paying 12,000 like the moto was and still wanting to change things anyway. besides isnt half the fun of getting a new qaud is customizing it to our liking and having it just a bit different than the next guy.

[mrusk]

The LTR will be a much bigger hit than the MOTO. I always said from day one that the MOTO was not worth 12.5k. That thing was so much over priced it was not even funny. Yea the aarms were longer then the speed/canniable, but you know what, it really cost jack schit more to build a aarm thats 2 in longer. They were greedy on the moto and look what it got them? They lost everything they had. The LTR at 7200 is a much better deal then any cannondale was ever.

Matt

[JRDrider22]

That exhaust looks like a swing arms new best friend.

Its pretty cool they added a optional kick as well.


As for me, I'll stick to my Honda. Nothing seems to impressive to me for the new Suzuki.

[rancid]

i agree the suzuki will be bigger hit but still not race ready, but it was cannondale we can thank for inspiring all these new 450,s were getting and fuel injection on a sport quad.

[redpony141]

how good will it stand up to the 450r and the yz450????????

[Warnerade]

well lets see, the yfz has a much smoother powerband than the ltr450...the center of gravity is lower o the LTR...the YFZ handles a lot better...

the yfz will dominate:o

[Ralph]

Originally posted by NacsRacer027
well lets see, the yfz has a much smoother powerband than the ltr450...the center of gravity is lower o the LTR...the YFZ handles a lot better...

the yfz will dominate:o

lmao

my mini bike is faster

[tdsongster]

Since we are discussing new quads, has anyone heard about Bombardier coming out with an all aluminum chassis sport quad. I know the outlander 800 (64 hp stock) is bad ***, I wonder if they can do the same in the sport quad arena???

<a href="http://www.drasticsports.com" target="_blank">
<img border="0" src="http://drasticsports.com/logos/atvriders/race_flag_motion_400x100.jpg" alt="DrasticSports.com">
</img></a>

[z400roosteR]

Originally posted by NacsRacer027
well lets see, the yfz has a much smoother powerband than the ltr450...the center of gravity is lower o the LTR...the YFZ handles a lot better...

the yfz will dominate:o

Because you have riden one.:rolleyes:

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by tdsongster
Since we are discussing new quads, has anyone heard about Bombardier coming out with an all aluminum chassis sport quad. I know the outlander 800 (64 hp stock) is bad ***, I wonder if they can do the same in the sport quad arena???

<a href="http://www.drasticsports.com" target="_blank">
<img border="0" src="http://drasticsports.com/logos/atvriders/race_flag_motion_400x100.jpg" alt="DrasticSports.com">
</img></a>

I've heard of it .... should see something by late 2007 . Bombardier has also been doing a lot of work with the new E-Tec engines .... so possibility of a new 2-stroke racer . Also they've sponsored the Unadilla race this past summer ... signs to come?? Might be !!!!:devil:

[troutman561]

eww e-tec, thats their supposed "awsome" thing in 2stroke outboards, unfortunatly like all evinrudes they will fail soon, while bombadier makes powerful engines, they are built to break

[tdsongster]

Thtats evidenced by their DS650s consistently winning baja races.

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by troutman561
eww e-tec, thats their supposed "awsome" thing in 2stroke outboards, unfortunatly like all evinrudes they will fail soon, while bombadier makes powerful engines, they are built to break

I dunno about your comment " they are built to break" .... Bombardier's Ski-Doo snowmobiles are one of the most reliable sleds out on the market today .

[tdsongster]

What do ya think of this?


<a href="http://www.stores.ebay.com/DrasticSports?refid=store" target="_blank">
<img border="0" src="http://drasticsports.com/logos/atvriders/LTR450_Rear_b_w_colorized_logo.jpg" alt="DrasticSports.com: LTR450">
</img></a>

[Titanium]

I have a feeling that thats gonna be the truth. but i luv those new suzuki 450's

[Hondadudeehhhh]

Originally posted by tdsongster
What do ya think of this?


<a href="http://www.stores.ebay.com/DrasticSports?refid=store" target="_blank">
<img border="0" src="http://drasticsports.com/logos/atvriders/LTR450_Rear_b_w_colorized_logo.jpg" alt="DrasticSports.com: LTR450">
</img></a>

it looks sweet from the rear, but i have a feeling fullbore and laker are going to make a lot of money off of those front plastics.... yuck

[QuadJunkies]

Originally posted by Hondadudeehhhh
it looks sweet from the rear, but i have a feeling fullbore and laker are going to make a lot of money off of those front plastics.... yuck


agreed.. Im not sure about the front piece yet. I figured over time the Honda 450 would grow on me also and it never did :p

[QuadJunkies]

So catch me up to speed on when the majority should have these on stock???

[Quad18star]

Originally posted by QuadJunkies
So catch me up to speed on when the majority should have these on stock???

Late December to Mid January is when most dealerships will have them . Our dealerships up here are saying Mid January to the customers , and God knows you guys and gals in the USA get them before we do . LOL :grr:

[QuadJunkies]

So does the East of West coast get them usually first??

How is Sukuki usually on there warrentys?? Are they are sgood as Hondas??